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Fidrec – more symbolism than substance?
Richard Woo

Investors of financial products who are affected by the financial crisis have been told they may refer their cases to the Financial Industry Disputes Resolution Centre (Fidrec) if their investments do not exceed $50,000. However, recent news reports say that Fidrec will now consider hearing cases where the investments exceed $50,000.
Some investors of structured products may thus be thinking that they can still refer their case to Fidrec to claim for the full amount of their investment even if it exceeds $50,000. The truth is that, regardless of what one may have gleaned from newspaper reports, Fidrec, without the concurrence of the financial institution concerned, is restricted to only claiming the maximum of $50,000 for any case brought before it. And even then, such cases are subject to certain conditions.
Excerpt from a report published in Today, Oct 16, 2008:
“..Where a consumer’s claim is above $50,000, Fidrec will only be able to handle the claim if the financial institution agrees to submit to Fidrec’s jurisdiction for the whole claim amount, or the consumer agrees to limit the claim to the maximum claim amount of $50,000.”
Two specific examples:
[a] A recent email from Fidrec to an investor is a clear confirmation of the scope of its jurisdiction:
We will be able to handle cases beyond S$50,000 provided the consumer agrees to limit his claim to S$50,000 or the Financial Institution provides the consumer with a letter of consent to agree to submit to Adjudication for higher claim amount.
[b] An investor has recently reported receiving a letter from a financial institution stating:
As your investment exceeds S$50,000, you can refer your case to the Financial Industry Disputes Resolution Centre Ltd (Fidrec) if:
(i) You are prepared to limit your claim amount to S$50,000 and you refer your case to FIDReC within 6 months from the date of this letter; or
(ii) You write to us to request for the case to be referred to Fidrec for the full claim amount and we agree to your request. We reserve the right to review your request at our sole and absolute discretion.
News reports misleading
Hence, all this talk in the newspapers about investors [or a certain group of investors] being able to refer to Fidrec even if their claim is in excess of $50,000 is all hogwash, for example:
[c] Mr Heng of The Monetary Authority of Singapore is reported to have said, inter alia, in a report in The Straits Times, Oct 17, 2008, captioned: Do the right thing:
As over 80 per cent of customers invested S$50,000 and below, Fidrec is the right avenue for them to pursue their claims. Fidrec normally deals with claims not exceeding S$50,000. In the case of the structured products, however, the FIs have agreed for Fidrec to hear deserving cases…
[d] Extract from The Straits Times, Oct 18, 2008 under the article captioned: MAS to banks: Do the right thing:
Fidrec normally deals with claims not exceeding $50,000. But in the case of structured products, the centre has agreed to hear all “deserving cases”.
[e] Extract from Weekend Today, Oct 18-19, 2008 under the article captioned: MAS: Probes underway:
While FIDReC normally deals only with claims not exceeding $50,000 the FIs have agreed to waive the rule in relevant cases.
[f] Extract from The Straits Times, Oct 21, 2008, under the article captioned: All play part in structured product rules:
Typically, Fidrec does not handle cases exceeding $50,000 in invested funds, however, in this case, they will.
“Deserving” or “relevant” cases
MAS, please clarify as to what is meant by a “deserving” or “relevant” case. And why whether a case can be considered a deserving or relevant one is left ultimately to the judgment of the financial institution handling the case?
However, regardless of any feedback, we can at this moment, conclude that it is not open to any investor who is not deemed to be a deserving or relevant case to refer their case to Fidrec if their investment happens to exceed $50,000, unless they are willing to restrict their claim to a maximum of $50,000 only. But would an investor with an investment of $100,000 bother to refer to Fidrec, knowing that Fidrec can only claim $50,000 for him/her?
Investment in joint names
Fidrec seems to be directing its attention at symbolism rather than substance. For example, A and B each invested $50,000, separately, and therefore each of them can refer their claim to Fidrec should the need arises. But had A and B put $50,000 each in a joint investment of $100,000, Fidrec can only claim $50,000 as the maximum. This email from Fidrec smacks of bureaucratic inflexibility or irrationality:
Our jurisdiction of S$50,000 is based on per placement/ account. If the account is in joint names, it is still considered as one placement/ account. In other words, although you and your sister each came up with S$50,000, as long as the investment is done in joint names, it is considered as one claim and you will not be able to claim for anything more than S$50,000 even though the overall investment is S$100,000. However, if you invested S$50,000 in your own name only, and your sister invested S$50,000 in her own name, then you will each be able to claim S$50,000 separately.
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17 Comments
sorry you don’t even get to flip a coin. only can accept your fate.
i really don’t understand DBS. if there is evidence of mis-selling here, shouldn’t DBS just compensate everyone with $50k here, and get away with their reputation not totally destroyed?
assuming 200 people claimed $50k using FIDREC , maximum payout would only be $10million. If they went to trial, I am sure legal costs and final payout would easily exceed $10million, and that would only be to a part of the total number of investors. but no DBS chooses to drag their feet, and refuse to compensate most.
just doesn’t seem logical.
Thanks for the information!
Honestly, this whole “doing the right thing” is beginning to look like the ultimate wayang show of the decade.
It is quite clear the FIs are stonewalling and are betting that the investors will not take them to court due to the risk of incurring high legal fees. But the most unconscionable thing is the relevant authorities are condoning it.
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MAS ultimate GOAL is to make a preserve this little dot (red bloody dot) as A World-Class Financial Centre, to manage our rich neighbours money, to be the Swiss of the East, to be a world premier private banking centre, to a world wealth mangement centre, to be this to be endless thats.
Do you people who invested in all theses loosing-money structured products count in all these grand scheme of things. If you are ever counted at all by all these hog-washers, then wish you all the very best of good luck that is all available to you.
Dont be so very naive fellow Singaporeans. Even our powers had already chided you, not one, not two, but so many already told you – put in CPF, invest with wide eyes opened, investments dont guarantee, and if you still dont like it, then follow the leader and put your hard-earned money away for 20-30 years and wait for returns.
Please please grow up. The world is ever-changing. It really smacks me to see countless of fellow citizens still clamouring for our governments help. Thats utter rubbish in the first place – go and ask Tan Kin Lian.
Dear Richard Woo,
although I am not an investor,
I wish to thank you on behalf of these 10,000 investors
for your kind and useful information.
you have help many people who do not have the knowledge of what you mentioned.
thanks once again.
May your good deed bring you good karma in 2009.
FIDREC is placed in between to drag the time hopefully you aggrieved investors will be tired out and give up. It is just a wayang in the grander scheme of things.
Don’t waste time and move on to the legal stage where the real battle is; it is public .
FIDREC is not public.
Making a mountain of molehill, Richard?
I’m sure that FiDREC will alert investors claiming more than $50,000 that they need to get FIs consent
This “ltd” will become an issue only if the FIs object to claims above $50,000 being heard or insist that the claims be lowered to $50,000.
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Long San [#8]
Tks for the kind words.
Andrew Loh deserves all the credit, for agreeing to its publication and for some fine editing to my comments.
rgds Richard
To A Tan [#12]
The message I posted is one that is not strictly about the threshold figure of $50,000. It is also to point out the bureaucracy which appears to my mind to be irrational, concerning joint investment accounts. Read thru again if necessary the A and B case I cited and you will understand why. Opening a joint account is for some people a convenient safeguard against what may outturn to be a complex matter with legal paper work in the event of death of an account holder.
Richard Woo
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FIDREC was set up by banks and insurance companies to settle disputes with the consumers. The judges are paid by them. Do you think FIDREC is independent and impartial when resolving your issues with them? The judge knows who is the boss — the one who pay him for his services. So, how can it be independent? Unless FIDREC is run independently without any connection with the banks or insurance companies, no way it can be impartial.
Show me how they are paid and I will show you how they are going to behave.
In easy to understand terms, they (FIDREC) will still get paid regardless of what they do, so they are not going to do anything.
If not for the minibond saga, not many people would know what does FiDREC stands for?
No point knowing what it stands for; it is just another useless government institution set up for show without substance.
Just received news a minute ago that one on my colleague’s friend had jumped from her flat in Toa Payoh yesterday evening. She was only about 40 years of age.
Her husband is one of the 10,000 victims of the minibomb saga.
Now we know how fatal it can be for such a smokescreen body to even exist.
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