Gerald Giam / Senior Writer

Israeli blogger and former army reserve “AronT”, who blogs at Aron’s Israeli Peace Weblog, claimed that Israelis have long been indoctrinated by three political/military laws which dictate their dealings with Palestinians.

The first is one is: If force doesn’t work, apply more force.

The second law that most Israelis blindly accept is that “in a tough neighborhood, you have to be the toughest, whatever the cost.” This is used to justify any “disproportionate response” to Palestinian attacks.

Finally Aron’s third Israeli political law is: Arab leaders are intractable terrorists out to destroy Israel, so there is no one on the other side to talk to.

Aron’s full explanation of his three laws is at this blogpost.

Looking at the situation in Gaza right now, it is hard not to be convinced that these three laws are at play.

Current situation

Let’s have a quick situation report at the time of writing:

Following the end of an Egyptian-brokered ceasefire between Palestinian faction Hamas and Israel in December, Hamas resumed short range rocket attacks on Israeli towns bordering Gaza. This prompted Israel to launch its most blistering and sustained attack on Gaza since the 1967 Six Day War. As it stands now, there are about 470 Palestinians killed and over 2,000 injured. The UN says that about a quarter of the dead Palestinians are civilians. Four Israelis have been killed by rocket fire from Gaza.

The Israeli Defense Force (IDF) has just launched a ground offensive into Gaza, with infantry, artillery, engineering and intelligence forces now inside the territory.

On the diplomatic front, the United Nations Security Council has failed to agree on a statement condemning the Israeli attacks because the US has blocked it, claiming it is unbalanced. The US, Israel’s staunchest ally, is the lone major power in the world overtly supporting Israeli attacks, saying that Israel has a right to defend itself, and that a one-way ceasefire that leads to rocket attacks from Hamas is not acceptable.

Meanwhile, the President of the UN General Assembly, who represents all 192 member nations, has called Israeli actions a “monstrosity”.

Singapore’s Ministry of Foreign Affairs has called the Israeli ground operations “an extremely disturbing development” and said “it can only exacerbate the already grave humanitarian situation”.

Reactions from some Singaporeans

While Singaporeans have understandably not taken to the streets to protest, unlike in other major cities like Sydney, New York and Jakarta, I asked two Singaporeans for their views on the current situation. (Note: These are their personal opinions. I make no claims that they are representative of all Singaporeans.)

On whether Israel’s current response is appropriate, lecturer Dr Syed Alwi questioned whether this attack by Israel is aimed at defending itself or for Israeli public consumption prior to elections.

NUS law student Cynthia Tang had this view:

The ferocity of Israel’s response to Hamas in the Gaza Strip must be understood within the conundrum of Israeli domestic politics. Israel’s general elections will be held on 10 February, where the prospect of a return to power of hawkish Benjamin Netanyahu’s right-wing Likud Party is not low. Hence, Prime Minister Ehud Olmert (from the more moderate Kadima Party who had advocated land for peace) feels the pressure to harden his position on Hamas. There was initially a wave of Israeli sentiments towards land for peace (when Ariel Sharon was prime minister and first pushed for it), however the tide on the ground has changed since Olmert took over and failed to deliver the security benefits which would presumably materialise under the land concession and his government’s weak response in the second Lebanon war (in 2006), where the overwhelming deterrence once enjoyed by the almost invincible Israeli military was severely dented.

Israel’s response has worsened the situation in Gaza as, in addition to the attacks, they have, more damagingly, locked down the Gaza crossings which have completely crippled the Palestinian economy.  Such actions only serve to back Hamas and the Palestinian people into a corner, and make an agreement for a ceasefire difficult.

US support for Israel

On the one-sided US support for Israel, Ms Tang was of the view that the “US has to support Israel due to its domestic politics. Outside of the Jewish lobby in Washington, the general public opinion in the USA is still very much for Israel.”

She quoted an article in Foreign Affairs magazine, which stated that “widespread gentile (i.e., non-Jewish) support for Israel is one of the most potent political forces in the U.S foreign policy”. She opined that incoming President Barack Obama will be no exception.

Dr Alwi felt that the US’ response has added to its credibility problem in the Muslim world.

I am personally disappointed at Mr Obama’s silence on this matter. He has stated that he does not want to undermine the outgoing administration’s position. However, I believe it is a cop-out to avoid confronting a political hot potato. I’m sure he knows what is right, but is afraid to say it for fear of losing political capital with conservatives and the Jewish lobby.

In fact, I agree with some analysts that Israel has decided to seize the chance to attack Hamas now before January 20, when Mr Obama — who is much more fair minded on the Israeli-Palestinian issue — takes over as President.

Negotiating with Hamas?

Israel has categorically stated that it will not sit at the negotiating table with Hamas, which it brands a terrorist organisation.

Dr Alwi pointed out:

The problem with the word “terrorist”, is that one man’s terrorism is another man’s freedom-fighter. But I do agree that Hamas used to target civilians and this works against her image. Yes, I think Israel has to sit at the negotiating table because just about every other Arab Muslim group has had “terror” in its repertoire. If you do not deal with Hamas then who are you going to deal with? Once again is this because of altruistic moral reasons or is this refusal to deal with Hamas just for the consumption of the Israeli conservative lobby?

Hamas is a poor Muslim response to an organised militant Israel. You are not dealing with sophisticated ideas here. Its a raw response that plays on the Arab Muslim aspirations. Part demagoguery and part Rambo — but mostly poverty! These are people who feed on a sense of hopelessness, American double standards and Islamic rhetoric. I do not like Hamas, but then, the rest are no better.

Ms Tang added:

I have no doubt that Hamas is a terrorist organisation today. At present, the organisation routinely and systematically perpetrates acts of terror against Israel and had vowed itself against the very existence of Israel. However, that does not mean that there is no room for Hamas to gain legitimacy down the road as a political entity.

When Fatah was first founded and led by Yasser Arafat and other members of the Palestinian Diaspora in the 1960s and 1970s, it was one of the chief terrorist groups conducting terrorist attacks against Israel and also provided training to other Islamic militant groups. However, it gained legitimacy in 1993 when the Palestinian Liberation Organization (PLO) renounced terrorism and signed an agreement of mutual recognition with Israel. This is not to say the Fatah re-entered into the mainstream out of the goodness of their heart, but because all political entities are pragmatic and will do the necessary to stay in power. In this case, Fatah did so to become the de facto government in the Palestinian Territories. If Fatah, the original armed nationalist group, could gain legitimacy and re-enter into the mainstream along the way, who is to say that Hamas can’t or will not? Hence, are they a terrorist group now? Yes. But it is an unknown if they will continue to be a terrorist group indefinitely. The key question is how do we incentivise Hamas to see it in their interest to enter into the mainstream, quite akin to Gaddafi’s Libya.

I agree that eventually Israel will need to negotiate with Hamas if it is to find a political solution, as distasteful as it might seem to them. The reality is that Hamas won the popular vote of the Palestinians (partly due to a fatal miscalculation by the US and Fatah).

And not just the PLO, but other political movements which started out with violence took the peaceful, responsible path after coming to power. South Africa’s African National Congress (ANC) is another example (although the violence committed by the ANC pales in comparison with that committed by the PLO and Hamas).

It should be pointed out that Hamas, along with all other Arab countries, actually supported the Arab Peace Initiative proposed in 2002 by Saudi Arabia. The Arab Peace Initiative, among other things, considers the Arab-Israeli conflict ended and establishes normal relations with Israel in exchange for full Israeli withdrawal from all the Arab territories occupied since June 1967.

This is not to defend Hamas, which has, like the IDF, committed dastardly deeds against civilians. But one thing is for sure: Continued eye-for-an-eye violence is not going to bring peace — at least not in this conflict.

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Picture from the BBC.
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110 Responses to “Gaza – Perspectives on the situation”

  1. Gaza: the logic of colonial power
    As so often, the term ‘terrorism’ has proved a rhetorical smokescreen under cover of which the strong crush the weak.

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2008/dec/29/gaza-hamas-israel

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  2. Jumbo #50 – there is a difference between saying “let’s move on” immediately after something has happened and something that has established itself after years and centuries have past and facts on the ground have changed. Asking for the peaceful elimination of Israel as a state is akin to the restoration of much of the United States and Canada to the American Indian tribes who were effectively robbed of their lands through war and disease inflicted on them by the europeans. Even the tribes know full well it is a pointless exercise after the USA had established itself over 200 years.

    There is still a chance for Israel and the Palestinians if they can somehow agree to the 1967 boundaries. However, as I have mentioned in the earlier comment, it will slip further and further into history if the deliberate settling of Israeli citizens in those areas (and the construction of that damn wall) is not reversed. After a hundred years or more, it will be a case of “what’s done is done” and only a major tragic war involving the utter defeat of one side or the other will “resolve” the issue.

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  3. Dual Citizenship — Loyal to Whom?

    http://www.viewzone.com/dualcitizen.html

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  4. 6/1/09

    Hi Jumbo-I read your posting *36 where you wrote that the Israelis are insane…..the Israelis are not insane and what they are doing is exercising their right of defence and they must not be blamed as they have been tolerating those Hamas terrorists for so long (in the early days, the PLO), both would just fire their rockets into Israel. Let us be objective and not being influence by one sided news reports controlled by the OIC and Third World nations.

    Regards
    Andrew Chuah

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  5. #60) Lee Chee Wai -“what’s done is done” has been happenging for 60 years and counting.The heavy handed colonial power had a dirty hand in this.We will not have our independent from colonial British (more than hundred years) if we have “whats done is done” attitude-resigned to be slave.BTW ,the struggle from the American/Canadian Indian had died long ago. The least we can do is to let Palestinian fight their way out of this injustice since they are still “moving and kicking”. We know who is scoundrel and who are the victims, thats the point.UN is self explained, UN =Not doing anything for weak nations.UN resolutions are not respected(usually Vetoed), Palestines has little option and spectators are looking away-not my problem. Worse still ,some even supported Israel scam. Its a tragedy infront of our eyes.It seem thats the way the world is moving, whats done by the powerful is not reversible-at least some people think this way. They can get away with anything, blatantly, even with much evidence of their wrong doing. Be resigned to the new world order by the neocon is not the answer.

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  6. balance 6 January 2009

    SPIEGEL INTERVIEW WITH BOUTROS BOUTROS-GHALI (5 Jan 09)

    ‘Israel Has a Habit of Closing its Eyes to Hard Facts’

    http://www.spiegel.de/international/world/0,1518,599561,00.html

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  7. A Rubber Stamp for U.S. Dictats
    UN Complicity in Israel’s Massacre in Gaza

    Over the last two days, various UN officials stated that the percentage of civilians among those Palestinians killed in the current Israeli war of aggression on Gaza is about “25%” and is “likely to increase.” Assuming the best of intentions, stating such a painfully low figure reflects shabby research or scandalous incompetence. At worst, it reveals intentional deception and misinformation that can only benefit the already massive and well-oiled Israeli PR machine.
    .
    .
    Now, senior UN officials, excluding the particularly courageous and principled UN Special Rapporteur for human rights in the occupied Palestinian territory, Richard Falk, and a few others, are only focusing on “women and children” victims of the massacre, implying, even if unintentionally, that all Palestinian men in Gaza are fair game for the Israeli killing machine.

    http://www.counterpunch.org/barghouti01022009.html

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  8. balance 6 January 2009

    Article from The Economist (print edition) 30 Dec 2008

    The laws of war

    Proportional to what?

    The rights and wrongs of killing civilians

    http://www.economist.com/world/mideast-africa/displaystory.cfm?story_id=12867302

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  9. like i said earlier, we’re on this part of the world, and we’ll never be able to understand the issues at play.

    it goes into the deepest, darkest, most sensitive issues of religion and race.

    Ultranationalist jews wants the Al Aqsa to be removed, so that they can build the new temple of Solomon. So do the far-right Christians. This, they believe, will lay the path for the return of the Messiah. Al Aqsa happens to be the third most sacred site of Islam.

    Jumbo’s comment #42 and Zainal’s comment #44 explains the Palestinians’ feelings. People coming into your house and saying “oops, we now have a right over this land and your farms. You can go to the refugee camps now…and if you dont leave, i’ll shoot you.”

    other arab nations who only give superficial support. No arab nation, in truth, really wants to get involved with the palestinian issue.

    i cannot even imagine how it would feel growing up to be occupied by another nation – where your food, electricity, income, education, livelihood, even existence, is all dependent on whether another country allows you to. Having walls built around you, turning the refugee camp that you live into the largest concentration camp in the world.

    and yet, there is nowhere and noone the palestinians can turn to.

    When you’re driven up against the wall, with nothing else, what can one do?

    The two movies that i feel would give a small inkling of what both sides go through – Munich (the conversation between a PLO militant and the protagonist in the safehouse), and Paradise Now (about 2 guys who were about to go on a suicide bombing mission in Israel).

    What’s really painful is to see 4-5 year old children dying. I have nephews and nieces of that age – and thinking that they’ll never have the freedom to do what my nephews get in this part of the world, and getting killed over violence they have yet to understand, thats the really sad part of all this.

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  10. Creation and Manipulation of Popular Religion:
    the case of Christian Zionism. Christianity as taught by televangelists such as Billy Graham, Pat Robertson and Jerry Falwell, is one of America’s most widely held religions. It is also as close as Constitutional decorum will permit, to becoming an official state religion. It’s been openly professed by successive Presidents and by prayer meetings and song at John Ashcroft’s justice department. Yet this fundamentalist, pentacostal, pre-millenialist, dispensationalist version of Christianity (referred to in this article as Christian Zionism because of its political affinity to Judaic Zionism) has almost no resemblance to the religion of the Protestant Reformation, much less the Roman church, or the mysterious Christianity of the first century AD. At every step to the creation of this potent new religion, we can see the psychopathic hand of secret societies

    What is the message of the Christian Zionist?
    Simply stated it is this Every act taken by Israel is orchestrated by God, and should be condoned, supported, and even praised by the rest of us.

    http://www.911-strike.com/christian-zionists.htm

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  11. ignorantbutnotignorant 6 January 2009

    # (infinity) jumbo >>> hi jumbo, i really would appreciate if you stop cutting and pasting whole paragraphs from various “free palestine” websites. if you can, try to speak your opinions kk? not very nice to plagiarize, and not very nice to see a whole big jumbo of plagiarized paragraphs on this page. thanks once again =)

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  12. ignorantbutnotignorant 6 January 2009

    # (infinity) jumbo >>> hi jumbo, why don’t you try visiting israel and see things for yourself? it’s good to have different perspectives and look at situations at different angles.

    i’ve been to iran, travelled to the west bank and visited israel. all in two months a couple of years ago. it’s good to see things on the ground than watching the media, where news are greatly exaggerated and biased towards various sides.

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  13. ignorantbutnotignorant 6 January 2009

    # (infinity) jumbo >>> hi jumbo, my travels, corrections, took place before the lebanon conflict, in case you got the wrong impression. I have to be very specific with you, unfortunately.

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  14. moshedyan 6 January 2009

    there are many wouldiehard wannabes
    who know nothin of a real JEWs or real Arabs
    all they hear from the internet and al-jareel news networks
    this are what we called
    dr syed alwi medical team
    who graduated from the intenet school of medicines
    without having to use a cuttin knife to earn their internships
    and still become a ^professional^ doctor by title…………..

    i on the other hands
    lived/worked in the middle east
    just to fu>k a camel perhaps?

    lived amon the Jews
    lived amon the Arabs
    than you
    know the real meanin
    of not takin sides…………….

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  15. Blame it on Abraham for taking a second wife. Todays’ conflicts wouldn’t have happened if he was patient to wait for the conception of Isaac whom God promised him. Since then the region had never and will never see peace until Armagedon .The Temple Mount issue is just a small sore thumb sticking out as an excuse for conflicts or the return to Jerusalem as the capital created a lot of dusts only. The reality is the conflict is the conflict between good and evil and good will prevail like all good entertaining movies. Who will come out the good guy, only time will tell and it is not far off. Huttington might have glimpse of it but it was too hazy for him to make out the figure ..All of us want peace, peace on earth among the humans but there is more peace among the animals.

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  16. I guess some people have problem to digest all this materials. :)

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  17. The Lavon Affair refers to the scandal over a failed Israeli covert operation in Egypt known as Operation Susannah, in which Israeli military intelligence planted bombs in Egyptian, American and British-owned targets in Egypt in the summer of 1954 in the hopes that “the Muslim Brotherhood, the Communists, ‘unspecified malcontents’ or ‘local nationalists’” would be blamed.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lavon_Affair

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  18. Every act taken by Israel is orchestrated by God, and should be condoned, supported, and even praised by the rest of us.

    No wonder the war in gaza can only be end by Israel :) OMG

    Washington Report on Middle East Affairs –
    Israeli Extremists and Christian Fundamentalists: The Alliance

    http://www.wrmea.com/backissues/1288/8812031.htm

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  19. moshedyan 6 January 2009

    [i]jumbo on January 6th, 2009 8.10 pm I guess some people have problem to digest all this materials.
    [/i]
    indeed
    YOU for a start
    have you been to the middle east?
    do you mingled with the Jews?
    here you are
    readin
    al-jareel news networks….
    bet with you
    when that saddam col proporganda joker was tellin how great saddam imperial guards was
    you would have waved your light sabre
    right?

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  20. “It’s Hell in Here”
    “They are Bombing 1.5 million People in a Cage”
    http://www.juancole.com/2009/01/its-hell-in-here-they-are-bombing-15.html

    Somewhere is Europe and America people are chanting “Every act taken by Israel is orchestrated by God, and should be condoned, supported, and even praised by the rest of us.”

    “Every act taken by Israel is orchestrated by God, and should be condoned, supported, and even praised by the rest of us.”

    “Every act taken by Israel is orchestrated by God, and should be condoned, supported, and even praised by the rest of us. ”

    Then go to sleep…..zzzzz

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  21. ignorantbutnotignorant 6 January 2009

    #(infinity) jumbo>>> hi jumbo, it pains me to realise that your seeming hatred stems frm what you term as ‘religious duty’, am i right, not? i’m sorry if such a remark may have offended you, but i believe that no religion would ask for pple to kill one another, be it whether for a right or wrong cause.

    unfortunately, in a lot of circumstances, recent warfare has often been due to pple mixing politics and religion together, so as to fulfill their ulterior motives. the strongest force to fan one’s motives is certainly through the use of religion. and only then the ulterior motive can be glorified as a just cause.

    and unfortunately, you, jumbo, while you may not have known that you have been ignorant right frm the start of your first comment, however, you are certainly aiding the cause of any ulterior agenda the propagators have installed right frm the very beginning. it is because of ignorant pple like you, who do not think logically, that are fanning so much unnecessary hatred that only ensures that our future generations will curse all of us for causing so much war that they cannot enjoy the prospects of an everlasting peace on earth.

    remember, jumbo, it is our future generations who will suffer all the consequences all thanks to this present generation of pple.

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  22. ignorantbutnotignorant 6 January 2009

    #(infinity) jumbo>>> hi jumbo, any logical soul who is reading your comments will know that you are only helping the perpetrators to incite hatred, nothing else.

    i believe your religion teaches you to preach for peace and love among all living things on earth. i certainly don’t believe that your religion is teaching you to fan hatred by leaving all these infinite unnecessary comments that only serve to justify the perpetrators’ ulterior motives. am i right?

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  23. ignorantbutnotignorant 6 January 2009

    #(infinity) jumbo>>> hi jumbo, if you’ve realised, nobody bothers to reply you because your actions only serve to prove my point right.

    logic will win over evil.

    i hope you’ll wake up an enlightened person tmr morning.

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  24. The problem in Middle east is simple to understand.

    1. To the arabs, Palestine is their home, Jews or should I say Zionist come to take away what is theirs. Nothing religious about this. A very secular issue.

    2. To the Zionist, they are lunatic people with some biblical prophecy with totally satanic interpretation of their holy book which righteous Jews and Christian called heresy.

    Can understand hoh……

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  25. Aiya apek ,,,,,do what you you want “one eye jack” – curse and swear, it just show your true colour….

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  26. In Pictures: the slaughter of Gazan children
    Victims of the Israeli occupation forces in the tenth day of their attacks on Gaza Strip – January 5, 2009
    http://www.uruknet.de/?s1=1&p=50434&s2=06

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  27. Doctor Decries Israeli Attacks
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ev6ojm62qwA

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  28. For the sake of our fellow Singaporean who want to know why iraq invade kuwait

    Why DID Iraq Invade Kuwait? — A Brief History -with the US and British involvement ofcourse.
    http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/blog/harak.html

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  29. moshedyan 6 January 2009

    [i]jumbo on January 6th, 2009 11.34 pm For the sake of our fellow Singaporean who want to know why iraq invade kuwait[/i]

    saddam hussien golf tournament was cancelled perhaps?
    but for you
    i know what you are goin to says

    long time ago
    before princess delilah met queen amitalah
    who was actually tryin to row a longboat across the nile canals
    when harry porter flies in with his broom stick
    which had a sticker
    saying
    made in kuwait
    saddam hussien die die want that flyin broomstick
    he called the kuwati emirates
    he shout
    yo! bro…
    can i have 1 of your kuwaiti broomstick
    the kuwati emirate bein a busy man with his 100 concubines
    tell saddam
    fart off
    you son of a cleaner…
    actually son of a heyna….
    so saddam got damn pissed
    you wait and see
    fart with me
    you are a dead man…………………
    off course
    the lta minister would had said
    this got nothin to do wilh OIL

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  30. “It’s absolutely impossible, unbelievable, it’s a massacre.”
    Israel’s bloody assault on Gaza continues

    http://www.greenleft.org.au/2008/777/40131

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  31. moshedyan 6 January 2009

    [i]i]jumbo on January 6th, 2009 11.34 pm For the sake of our fellow Singaporean who want to know why iraq invade kuwait[/i][/i]
    okay okay
    jokes asides………….
    last time ago durin alexandra the great eras
    where archilles was doin shoes for nikis….
    kuwait was part of the persian empires
    saddam being a small kachang puteh think he belon to the elites persian grandson
    demand his rights of abode..
    in real live
    saddam is a nobody
    just a professional soldier
    son of a commoner mother
    who used to shout ALOUD
    which is why they called her the queen of heyna
    behind her back
    don’t ever called her in front
    or else you will be buried in a hole 1/2 your size
    saddam elder son will
    simply placed a grenade in your shirt pocket
    after you have dug that 1/2 manhole YOURSELF..
    what do you expect?
    a foreign talent bangala worker to dig for you?
    back to the topic
    saddam elder son
    would pull the pin
    and walked away
    with his videoman filemin the whole session
    is this what you want to share with us?
    the whole truth
    nothin but the GodDamnTRUth….
    liked i said before
    don’t seek
    and you will not find
    skeletons unturned………….

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  32. Have Bush and the Neocons Ruined it for the Israelis?

    The Israeli propaganda blitz around their attack on Gaza has been greeted with uncharacteristic skepticism by the American public and even by some of the mainstream US press. Even the Jewish American community is uneasy about this one, in a way perhaps unparalelled since the 1982 Israeli attack on Lebanon and siege of Beirut. Jews for Peace in Los Angeles are actively protesting the Gaza atrocities, and newspaper articles from around the US on local protests held this weekend often mention mixed Arab-American and Jewish-American rallies.
    http://www.juancole.com/2009/01/have-bush-and-neocons-ruined-it-for.html

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  33. moshedyan 7 January 2009

    [i]Even the Jewish American community is uneasy about this one, [/i]
    how would you know?
    you talk to them
    or did you based your findin on the al-jareel networks
    now you expect bush to do somethin
    when it his retirement time?
    bush already tried
    very very hard
    rememberd iraq….
    what did bush NOT do?
    well beside uncappin his binoculars caps
    when he was viewin the great imperial guards surrenders….
    and what did YOU people do?
    you blamed bush for bullying the little people again
    did you know
    moses talk to bush himself
    and went up to the mountains for 40 days/nights
    now do you want to do the same?
    do you have leaves for 40 days/night?
    for me
    i only have 12 days to complete my boatbuilding…

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  34. the children of Israel will be dispersed to the 4 corners of the earth and will multiply like the sands of the oceans and the desert. They will be among all the nations occuping seats of the highest and they shall represent the Majesty in the land they live.They shall inherit the earth and the planets and Mar will be the first. The moons shall be their eyes and the suns will give them the power. Goliath and the likes will be pulverised, the mountains will be razed flat and the Midians and the Palestine or the Palestinians shall become the footstools but they shall be rewarded for their loyalty and honesty. The evil ones will be vanquished, thrown into the fireplace to give warmth to living. What you witness is just the beginning, this is the sign and warning for warmongering nations and same fate shall come to those who are disobedient.The useless nations who are rich in fuel shall become fuel and feed the hungry and destitutes and cold.

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  35. theveryofflinecitizen 7 January 2009

    frm the comments of jumbo, i honestly feel the editors of theonlinecitizen shld moderate his comments. wreaks of hatred and fanning violence. yucks!

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  36. arielsharon 7 January 2009

    jumbo, your comments are irrelevant.

    you talk like a nazi, don’t you know that?

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  37. moshedayan 7 January 2009

    #82 jumbo>>> stop quoting biased commentaries frm biased sources!

    why don’t you go try live in westbank for a mth and see if your opinions change after that?

    wake up your idea.

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  38. Do you think the average world citizen cares about this war?

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  39. The Zionists who run Israel are not Semites. The Ashkenazi Jews that rule Israel have no legal, moral, historical or religious ties to Israel. Their origins are in the Kingdom of Khazar, they converted to Judaism in the 8th Century. The Palestinians are Semites; the Ashkenazi Jews are not Semites. So by attacking the Ghetto at Gaza, the Zionists have become the biggest Anti-Semites of all times.
    The latest massacre of innocent people in Gaza should be a wakeup call to anyone who possesses a moral compass. Mr. Kunstler obviously does not. The overwhelming firepower, mostly provided by the US Congress that has been bought and paid for by Israel with the money the US sent as military aid, has caused a kill ratio of over 100-1. That’s not warfare, that’s a massacre.

    http://www.321energy.com/editorials/moriarty/moriarty010509.html/

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  40. BTW bro, who is Hitler?

    WAS HITLER A ROTHSCHILD? Isn’t Rothschild Ashkenazi Jew?

    http://www.theforbiddenknowledge.com/hardtruth/hitler_was_a_rothschild.htm

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  41. I was once asked the question:

    Why didn’t the UN place peacekeepers at the 1967 boundary of Israel, even if it means taking a strip of land from the Palestinian to create that no-man’s land. It works in Korea. There are also peace-keepers at the Israel-Lebanese border and peace rules somewhat, though Israel continues its fly-overs.

    Yes………..the Question is WHY? Why did Israel reject that proposal? Why did US use its veto power to reject that too?

    Look at the official Israel Map. Gaza and West Bank do NOT exist!

    BUT to paint all Jews as Zionists is wrong. Log on to : http://jfp.internetactivist.org/orgs.html Jewish Friends of the Palestinians.
    There are also many men from IDF, pilots, soldiers etc who are in Israel military prisons for refusing to fight in the war which they objected to, as being unjustified and inhumane.

    I salute them for their putting their conscience before their own well-being. If only we have more of them on both sides, the world will be a more peaceful place.

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  42. I have chinese blood in me, just one quater. Do I entitle for Chinese citizenship?

    The Law of Return (1950) grants every Jew, wherever he or she may be, the right to come to Israel as an oleh (a Jew immigrating to Israel) and become an Israeli citizen.
    For the purposes of this Law, “Jew” means a person who was born of a Jewish mother or has converted to Judaism and is not a member of another religion.

    Israeli citizenship becomes effective on the day of arrival in the country or of receipt of an oleh’s certificate, whichever is later. A person may declare, within three months, that he/she does not wish to become a citizen.

    http://www.mfa.gov.il/MFA/MFAArchive/2000_2009/2001/8/Acquisition%20of%20Israeli%20Nationality

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  43. Let me reiterate my post number #84)

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  44. It started with Abraham..for being greedy, impatient, couldn’t tahan at the sight of his servant (don’t know what happened). If he had waited and everything would have gone well after that. His descendents are paying back what he did, for raping his maid, with blood.

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  45. Teaching With Documents Lesson Plan: The U.S. Recognition of the State of Israel

    You got to link this to post #34)

    http://www.archives.gov/education/lessons/us-israel/

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  46. Abraham, “peace be upon him”

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  47. A Historical Survey of Proposals to Transfer Arabs from Palestine, 1895-1947

    http://www.archive.org/details/AHistoricalSurveyOfProposalsToTransferArabsFromPalestine1895-1947

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  48. A Historical Survey of Proposals to
    Transfer Arabs from Palestine
    1895 – 1947

    by

    Rabbi Dr. Chaim Simons

    http://www.geocities.com/ChaimSimons/transfer.html

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