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		<title>By: neversaydie</title>
		<link>http://theonlinecitizen.com/2009/02/think-carefully-before-opting-for-no-refund/comment-page-1/#comment-53712</link>
		<dc:creator>neversaydie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Feb 2009 16:59:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>if the schemes are that good, why didn&#039;t they have it earlier?

Only reason:  no incentive to make themselve work harder.

Also, there is no assurance that the payment period will not be brought further back.

This no assurance that the minimum amount in each scheme.

All figures are purely illustrative.

There is no inflation adjustments.

So, they get you to take out your monies much later and give you peanuts in returns every month and they still have the possibilities of reducing the number of peanuts you get and the time you get it.

Sly?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>if the schemes are that good, why didn&#8217;t they have it earlier?</p>
<p>Only reason:  no incentive to make themselve work harder.</p>
<p>Also, there is no assurance that the payment period will not be brought further back.</p>
<p>This no assurance that the minimum amount in each scheme.</p>
<p>All figures are purely illustrative.</p>
<p>There is no inflation adjustments.</p>
<p>So, they get you to take out your monies much later and give you peanuts in returns every month and they still have the possibilities of reducing the number of peanuts you get and the time you get it.</p>
<p>Sly?</p>
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		<title>By: Deep throat</title>
		<link>http://theonlinecitizen.com/2009/02/think-carefully-before-opting-for-no-refund/comment-page-1/#comment-53666</link>
		<dc:creator>Deep throat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Feb 2009 13:55:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To loop
#40
Hey please cool it. Dont make such sweeping statements without proof. And you are accusing Christians of using Ponzi schemes to cheat and convert and this is very dangerous and unbecoming.
This is stepping out of line. Whoever you are I think its better you reserve your comments and utter it in your own toilet rather than here which is not a place for such comments.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To loop<br />
#40<br />
Hey please cool it. Dont make such sweeping statements without proof. And you are accusing Christians of using Ponzi schemes to cheat and convert and this is very dangerous and unbecoming.<br />
This is stepping out of line. Whoever you are I think its better you reserve your comments and utter it in your own toilet rather than here which is not a place for such comments.</p>
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		<title>By: loop</title>
		<link>http://theonlinecitizen.com/2009/02/think-carefully-before-opting-for-no-refund/comment-page-1/#comment-53642</link>
		<dc:creator>loop</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Feb 2009 08:16:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Now I know why MLM marketing always hires Christians.  Coz they really know how to preach!!  Some ppl even end up converting to Christianity after joining MLM.  These Christians are using this Ponzi schemes not only to cheat $ but also to recruit more members. Very disgusting technique!!  Just a bunch of hypocrypes!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Now I know why MLM marketing always hires Christians.  Coz they really know how to preach!!  Some ppl even end up converting to Christianity after joining MLM.  These Christians are using this Ponzi schemes not only to cheat $ but also to recruit more members. Very disgusting technique!!  Just a bunch of hypocrypes!</p>
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		<title>By: Enigmatic</title>
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		<dc:creator>Enigmatic</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Feb 2009 10:45:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A  little subterfuge here.......a little subterfuge there and then ....and ooop! - if you are less vigilant -  you find that you cannot even withdraw your monies  after you reach 85.

You and your loved ones should input as  little monies as /whenever possible in there.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A  little subterfuge here&#8230;&#8230;.a little subterfuge there and then &#8230;.and ooop! &#8211; if you are less vigilant &#8211;  you find that you cannot even withdraw your monies  after you reach 85.</p>
<p>You and your loved ones should input as  little monies as /whenever possible in there.</p>
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		<title>By: Torres</title>
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		<dc:creator>Torres</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Feb 2009 12:31:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No worries Tony, CPF takescare of your special account with good interest compared with peanuts elsewhere!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No worries Tony, CPF takescare of your special account with good interest compared with peanuts elsewhere!</p>
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		<title>By: alky</title>
		<link>http://theonlinecitizen.com/2009/02/think-carefully-before-opting-for-no-refund/comment-page-1/#comment-53286</link>
		<dc:creator>alky</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Feb 2009 06:53:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#36) Tony on February 21st, 2009 2.17 pm 

Give up your citizenship and migrate somewhere else. That&#039;s the only way  they will ever give you back you CPF. Thousands of Singaporeans have already done it so its no big deal. 

Otherwise, just pray hard that the APs get voted in and give the people their money back.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#36) Tony on February 21st, 2009 2.17 pm </p>
<p>Give up your citizenship and migrate somewhere else. That&#8217;s the only way  they will ever give you back you CPF. Thousands of Singaporeans have already done it so its no big deal. </p>
<p>Otherwise, just pray hard that the APs get voted in and give the people their money back.</p>
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		<title>By: Tony</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tony</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Feb 2009 06:17:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I and my wife have been cheated and being lured to transfer all our life saving in the OA to Special Account as the Govt 2 years high interest rate payment. We felt stupid and very regret now. We are going to lost the control of our entire life long hard earn saving in the hand of the Govt. I am now desperate and sad. Can any one help to advise me how could I take out the money from the CPF to avoid being frozen.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I and my wife have been cheated and being lured to transfer all our life saving in the OA to Special Account as the Govt 2 years high interest rate payment. We felt stupid and very regret now. We are going to lost the control of our entire life long hard earn saving in the hand of the Govt. I am now desperate and sad. Can any one help to advise me how could I take out the money from the CPF to avoid being frozen.</p>
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		<title>By: The Singapore Daily &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Weekly Roundup: Week 08</title>
		<link>http://theonlinecitizen.com/2009/02/think-carefully-before-opting-for-no-refund/comment-page-1/#comment-53249</link>
		<dc:creator>The Singapore Daily &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Weekly Roundup: Week 08</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Feb 2009 03:22:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] of the CPF Life scheme [Recommended] - My little corner: CPF Changes from 1st April 2009 - TOC: Think carefully before opting for ‘no refund’ - Moving Higher In Souped-up Heuristically Agon Moment: New CPF Changes in [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] of the CPF Life scheme [Recommended] &#8211; My little corner: CPF Changes from 1st April 2009 &#8211; TOC: Think carefully before opting for ‘no refund’ &#8211; Moving Higher In Souped-up Heuristically Agon Moment: New CPF Changes in [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Curious</title>
		<link>http://theonlinecitizen.com/2009/02/think-carefully-before-opting-for-no-refund/comment-page-1/#comment-53001</link>
		<dc:creator>Curious</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Feb 2009 14:40:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What does the 3 Keys-Symbol of the CPF crest stand for?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What does the 3 Keys-Symbol of the CPF crest stand for?</p>
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		<title>By: plopp</title>
		<link>http://theonlinecitizen.com/2009/02/think-carefully-before-opting-for-no-refund/comment-page-1/#comment-52926</link>
		<dc:creator>plopp</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Feb 2009 06:29:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And you wonder where the money for this year&#039;s offset package is coming from? One wonders where the old surpluses and all the secretly absorbed CPF monies disappeared to.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And you wonder where the money for this year&#8217;s offset package is coming from? One wonders where the old surpluses and all the secretly absorbed CPF monies disappeared to.</p>
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		<title>By: wiseman</title>
		<link>http://theonlinecitizen.com/2009/02/think-carefully-before-opting-for-no-refund/comment-page-1/#comment-52901</link>
		<dc:creator>wiseman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Feb 2009 03:49:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>All work and no play means no retirement till 65........the bio-rythm  starts to slowly disintegrate into aging that calls for hefty maintenance!.........everything has got it&#039;s shelf life and one must plan his or her retirement gradually as we cannot guarantee future income as past performance is no gurantee of present gains!.....Inflation is the only threat!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>All work and no play means no retirement till 65&#8230;&#8230;..the bio-rythm  starts to slowly disintegrate into aging that calls for hefty maintenance!&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;everything has got it&#8217;s shelf life and one must plan his or her retirement gradually as we cannot guarantee future income as past performance is no gurantee of present gains!&#8230;..Inflation is the only threat!</p>
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		<title>By: Just Whistling.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Just Whistling.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Feb 2009 22:24:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It is likely there will be a flash general election anytime now. Read:

http://amortal.wordpress.com/2009/02/18/flash-general-election/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is likely there will be a flash general election anytime now. Read:</p>
<p><a href="http://amortal.wordpress.com/2009/02/18/flash-general-election/" rel="nofollow">http://amortal.wordpress.com/2009/02/18/flash-general-election/</a></p>
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		<title>By: Bling Bling</title>
		<link>http://theonlinecitizen.com/2009/02/think-carefully-before-opting-for-no-refund/comment-page-1/#comment-52829</link>
		<dc:creator>Bling Bling</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Feb 2009 16:02:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you Mr Leong for providing expert opinion and advice.
Left to myself, i wonder if i would understand as much.
i am worried about retirement.
i see that only the people can help me now.
my retirement is virtually in their hands.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you Mr Leong for providing expert opinion and advice.<br />
Left to myself, i wonder if i would understand as much.<br />
i am worried about retirement.<br />
i see that only the people can help me now.<br />
my retirement is virtually in their hands.</p>
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		<title>By: Bling Bling</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bling Bling</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Feb 2009 16:01:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you Mr Leong for providing expert opinion and advice.
Left to myself, i wonder if i would understand as much.
i am worried about retirement.
i see that only the people can help me now.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you Mr Leong for providing expert opinion and advice.<br />
Left to myself, i wonder if i would understand as much.<br />
i am worried about retirement.<br />
i see that only the people can help me now.</p>
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		<title>By: tiredsingaporean</title>
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		<dc:creator>tiredsingaporean</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Feb 2009 15:57:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>17) ErniesUrn (Ernie) on February 18th, 2009 6.22 pm
These coffers are playing with blood money.

They have to pay back with their own blood in time to come. No one gets away, you can run but you cannot hide forever, its just mother nature, whatever comes around, goes around.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>17) ErniesUrn (Ernie) on February 18th, 2009 6.22 pm<br />
These coffers are playing with blood money.</p>
<p>They have to pay back with their own blood in time to come. No one gets away, you can run but you cannot hide forever, its just mother nature, whatever comes around, goes around.</p>
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		<title>By: RED-man</title>
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		<dc:creator>RED-man</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Feb 2009 15:47:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Join the annual 1000 members club today! Help contribute to increase the 1K annual leaver club. And leave the 66.6% of the voters to take care of our self service PAP elities.

Free door gift available on first come first serve basis. Air is fresher on the other side.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Join the annual 1000 members club today! Help contribute to increase the 1K annual leaver club. And leave the 66.6% of the voters to take care of our self service PAP elities.</p>
<p>Free door gift available on first come first serve basis. Air is fresher on the other side.</p>
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		<title>By: RED-man</title>
		<link>http://theonlinecitizen.com/2009/02/think-carefully-before-opting-for-no-refund/comment-page-1/#comment-52822</link>
		<dc:creator>RED-man</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Feb 2009 15:41:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There is a opt out scheme and 5th unspoken option. Surrender your red ID, and opt for total withdrawal. Lower your expectation in other country and make good use of your CPF to enjoy retirement. 

Anyone? I don&#039;t mind to be a rich quiter, since this is my money anyway. And adding to it, the government has always remind us to take care of ourselves. Right?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There is a opt out scheme and 5th unspoken option. Surrender your red ID, and opt for total withdrawal. Lower your expectation in other country and make good use of your CPF to enjoy retirement. </p>
<p>Anyone? I don&#8217;t mind to be a rich quiter, since this is my money anyway. And adding to it, the government has always remind us to take care of ourselves. Right?</p>
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		<title>By: Yogi Bear</title>
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		<dc:creator>Yogi Bear</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Feb 2009 15:38:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Minister in the Prime Minister&#039;s Office, Lim Boon Heng, said on Saturday private insurers would be quite challenged to offer the same interest rates the CPF Life annuity scheme is offering. &quot;  (Channel News Asia 14 Feb 2009)

I am particularly disgusted when a highly paid minister plays insurance sales man and doing a poor job out at it.   It is highly suspicious when the government decides to thumb down the private insurers and suggests the People park their money with CPF.  Did we not hear from the same government that our private insurers in Singapore are well capitalized and perfectly sound?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Minister in the Prime Minister&#8217;s Office, Lim Boon Heng, said on Saturday private insurers would be quite challenged to offer the same interest rates the CPF Life annuity scheme is offering. &#8221;  (Channel News Asia 14 Feb 2009)</p>
<p>I am particularly disgusted when a highly paid minister plays insurance sales man and doing a poor job out at it.   It is highly suspicious when the government decides to thumb down the private insurers and suggests the People park their money with CPF.  Did we not hear from the same government that our private insurers in Singapore are well capitalized and perfectly sound?</p>
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		<title>By: Peanuts</title>
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		<dc:creator>Peanuts</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Feb 2009 15:00:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We must all stand together and vote for cpf opt out! Fight for it! Stop letting them get away with moving goalpost!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We must all stand together and vote for cpf opt out! Fight for it! Stop letting them get away with moving goalpost!</p>
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		<title>By: AP (aka adobepie)</title>
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		<dc:creator>AP (aka adobepie)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Feb 2009 14:16:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#6 eveline has correctly pointed out this trap...one big target is those single retireee with no dependents....i am seriously considering give up my pink i card in exchange for my blood &amp; sweat savings...imagine working for 35 years and being taken for a ride....what the...F*@#*&amp;*

I would not place too much faith in the elections...so what if the oppostion wins 1 or 2 GRCs....will it change for the better...??</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#6 eveline has correctly pointed out this trap&#8230;one big target is those single retireee with no dependents&#8230;.i am seriously considering give up my pink i card in exchange for my blood &amp; sweat savings&#8230;imagine working for 35 years and being taken for a ride&#8230;.what the&#8230;F*@#*&amp;*</p>
<p>I would not place too much faith in the elections&#8230;so what if the oppostion wins 1 or 2 GRCs&#8230;.will it change for the better&#8230;??</p>
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