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		<title>By: Donaldson Tan</title>
		<link>http://theonlinecitizen.com/2009/02/what-is-public-service/comment-page-1/#comment-54335</link>
		<dc:creator>Donaldson Tan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Feb 2009 13:22:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>cm liew (#20),

You ought to differentiate public service from civil service. Moreover, with the emergence of NGOs and NPOs, public service has evolved into a public private partnership. It is no longer a clear cut case that the citizens own the public service. A good example of this is public transport.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>cm liew (#20),</p>
<p>You ought to differentiate public service from civil service. Moreover, with the emergence of NGOs and NPOs, public service has evolved into a public private partnership. It is no longer a clear cut case that the citizens own the public service. A good example of this is public transport.</p>
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		<title>By: cm liew</title>
		<link>http://theonlinecitizen.com/2009/02/what-is-public-service/comment-page-1/#comment-54332</link>
		<dc:creator>cm liew</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Feb 2009 12:50:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What &#039;s Public service ?

is to serve the public. and who is their boss ??

The government. so where the fund come from ?? the public.

so who&#039;s the public ?? the citizen.

so the public pay the tax that become the salary of public servant.

is that right ?? thus, the boss is the citizen. 

So ..do the boss has the right to sack the employee ?? OF COURSE !!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What &#8216;s Public service ?</p>
<p>is to serve the public. and who is their boss ??</p>
<p>The government. so where the fund come from ?? the public.</p>
<p>so who&#8217;s the public ?? the citizen.</p>
<p>so the public pay the tax that become the salary of public servant.</p>
<p>is that right ?? thus, the boss is the citizen. </p>
<p>So ..do the boss has the right to sack the employee ?? OF COURSE !!</p>
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		<title>By: Edward</title>
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		<dc:creator>Edward</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Feb 2009 15:24:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#16) Daniel

&#039;So what is left to contribute to reserve ?&#039;
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The previous NKF accumulated $200 -$300 million in their reserve which according to the new committee that took over, could last for another 40 years of expenditure.This cash reserve was and is the biggest held by a charity or NGO. All these were reported in the ST and the news articles can still be retrieved from the National Library.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#16) Daniel</p>
<p>&#8216;So what is left to contribute to reserve ?&#8217;<br />
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<p>The previous NKF accumulated $200 -$300 million in their reserve which according to the new committee that took over, could last for another 40 years of expenditure.This cash reserve was and is the biggest held by a charity or NGO. All these were reported in the ST and the news articles can still be retrieved from the National Library.</p>
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		<title>By: Daniel</title>
		<link>http://theonlinecitizen.com/2009/02/what-is-public-service/comment-page-1/#comment-53994</link>
		<dc:creator>Daniel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Feb 2009 12:29:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Is NDF typo for NKF? &quot;
Oh... yes, it is typo error. It should have been NKF.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Is NDF typo for NKF? &#8221;<br />
Oh&#8230; yes, it is typo error. It should have been NKF.</p>
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		<title>By: Donaldson Tan</title>
		<link>http://theonlinecitizen.com/2009/02/what-is-public-service/comment-page-1/#comment-53992</link>
		<dc:creator>Donaldson Tan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Feb 2009 11:44:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;b&gt;S J Xie (#15),&lt;/b&gt;

What you mentioned about activist groups collaborating with governments is already happening. 

In the UK, Voluntary Welfare Organisations are working hand in hand with government agencies to care for the elderlies, disabled and the sick. Tax relief and additional healthcare benefit is granted to the caretakers. 

If not for government collaboration, how is it possible that organisations like Red Cross, Oxfam have direct access and run crucial logistic supply lines in major disaster sites?

&lt;b&gt;Daniel (#16),&lt;/b&gt;

Is NDF typo for NKF? Why is your focus on NKF&#039;s top management when it is the lower level staff that actually contributed the bulk of work that makes NKF a success story to its beneficiaries? It is a scandal no doubt, but as radlife66 had mentioned, it all boils down to the collective integrity of the managers running NKF. NKF should have done better in picking a CEO.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><b>S J Xie (#15),</b></p>
<p>What you mentioned about activist groups collaborating with governments is already happening. </p>
<p>In the UK, Voluntary Welfare Organisations are working hand in hand with government agencies to care for the elderlies, disabled and the sick. Tax relief and additional healthcare benefit is granted to the caretakers. </p>
<p>If not for government collaboration, how is it possible that organisations like Red Cross, Oxfam have direct access and run crucial logistic supply lines in major disaster sites?</p>
<p><b>Daniel (#16),</b></p>
<p>Is NDF typo for NKF? Why is your focus on NKF&#8217;s top management when it is the lower level staff that actually contributed the bulk of work that makes NKF a success story to its beneficiaries? It is a scandal no doubt, but as radlife66 had mentioned, it all boils down to the collective integrity of the managers running NKF. NKF should have done better in picking a CEO.</p>
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		<title>By: Daniel</title>
		<link>http://theonlinecitizen.com/2009/02/what-is-public-service/comment-page-1/#comment-53982</link>
		<dc:creator>Daniel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Feb 2009 09:43:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;When the former CEO of NKF was paid a few hundred thousand dollars a year (much less than Cabinet Ministers) for bringing in a few hundred million dollars as reserves, his pay was considered as PEANUT.&quot;

Did NDF really bring something into reserves ? Any evidence from accounting statement ? How does NDF become profit-oriented company that link to the reserve fathom me.

Remember in ex-NDF, every ten cent out of $1 (If I could recall) contributed is for helping the patient, the rest is shared among GLC companies.

So what is left to contribute to reserve ?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;When the former CEO of NKF was paid a few hundred thousand dollars a year (much less than Cabinet Ministers) for bringing in a few hundred million dollars as reserves, his pay was considered as PEANUT.&#8221;</p>
<p>Did NDF really bring something into reserves ? Any evidence from accounting statement ? How does NDF become profit-oriented company that link to the reserve fathom me.</p>
<p>Remember in ex-NDF, every ten cent out of $1 (If I could recall) contributed is for helping the patient, the rest is shared among GLC companies.</p>
<p>So what is left to contribute to reserve ?</p>
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		<title>By: S J Xie</title>
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		<dc:creator>S J Xie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Feb 2009 08:00:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It is a valid and valuable point that you have made about how public service has evolved into involve the Tier II diplomacy ie think tanks and NGOs. But I think public service is more than just the various organizations from activist groups to government ministries. I think the next step is thinking about how the different orgs can collaborate to achieve the common aim, which I think will be the public good - but that itself, is open to a (re)definition.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is a valid and valuable point that you have made about how public service has evolved into involve the Tier II diplomacy ie think tanks and NGOs. But I think public service is more than just the various organizations from activist groups to government ministries. I think the next step is thinking about how the different orgs can collaborate to achieve the common aim, which I think will be the public good &#8211; but that itself, is open to a (re)definition.</p>
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		<title>By: Donaldson Tan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Donaldson Tan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Feb 2009 02:38:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Edward (#12),

Why should the focus be on the top management? They are only a select few but the majority of the work is actually done by entry-level to mid-level staff. The incentives for the entry and middle level staff should be enhanced to attract competent individuals. Currently, the lower rung of social workers, nurses, etc are really not well compensated for the hard work they perform for the public.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Edward (#12),</p>
<p>Why should the focus be on the top management? They are only a select few but the majority of the work is actually done by entry-level to mid-level staff. The incentives for the entry and middle level staff should be enhanced to attract competent individuals. Currently, the lower rung of social workers, nurses, etc are really not well compensated for the hard work they perform for the public.</p>
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		<title>By: radlife66</title>
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		<dc:creator>radlife66</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Feb 2009 01:36:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Can somebody shed light on the genesis of NGOs?

Will NGOs get so big and wealthy and thus get &quot;absorbed&quot; by the powers that be?

Will the big powers plant their own guys within the structure thereby negating it&#039;s non-gov substance but only in name?

Will it get so big and powerful it has to maintain its wealth by also compromising, lobbying and being lobbied by interest parties/industrialist?

But i was thinking that perhaps NGOs has a role in this borderless globalized economy so as to balance the global system...

again, at the end of the day, it is still about getting the right person to run NGOs.

But the current global state is so unbalance. To put it simply, the &quot;right&quot; has complete dominance over the &quot;left&quot; to the point where they can really don&#039;t give you a damn because they know they are super wealthy and you are not.

only when:
1) enough ppl with conscience said &quot;enough is enough&quot;
2) very intelligent but w/ a conscience ppl band together to &quot;change the world&quot;
3) Third World War.

pick one.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Can somebody shed light on the genesis of NGOs?</p>
<p>Will NGOs get so big and wealthy and thus get &#8220;absorbed&#8221; by the powers that be?</p>
<p>Will the big powers plant their own guys within the structure thereby negating it&#8217;s non-gov substance but only in name?</p>
<p>Will it get so big and powerful it has to maintain its wealth by also compromising, lobbying and being lobbied by interest parties/industrialist?</p>
<p>But i was thinking that perhaps NGOs has a role in this borderless globalized economy so as to balance the global system&#8230;</p>
<p>again, at the end of the day, it is still about getting the right person to run NGOs.</p>
<p>But the current global state is so unbalance. To put it simply, the &#8220;right&#8221; has complete dominance over the &#8220;left&#8221; to the point where they can really don&#8217;t give you a damn because they know they are super wealthy and you are not.</p>
<p>only when:<br />
1) enough ppl with conscience said &#8220;enough is enough&#8221;<br />
2) very intelligent but w/ a conscience ppl band together to &#8220;change the world&#8221;<br />
3) Third World War.</p>
<p>pick one.</p>
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		<title>By: Edward</title>
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		<dc:creator>Edward</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Feb 2009 15:18:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#11) Donaldson Tan 
&#039;I believe the author meant the professional staff should be reasonably compensated for doing an excellent job.&#039;
..........................................................................

When the former CEO of NKF was paid a few hundred thousand dollars a year (much less than Cabinet Ministers) for bringing in a few hundred million dollars as reserves, his pay was considered as PEANUT. 

When he got into trouble, he was considered overpaid.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#11) Donaldson Tan<br />
&#8216;I believe the author meant the professional staff should be reasonably compensated for doing an excellent job.&#8217;<br />
&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;..</p>
<p>When the former CEO of NKF was paid a few hundred thousand dollars a year (much less than Cabinet Ministers) for bringing in a few hundred million dollars as reserves, his pay was considered as PEANUT. </p>
<p>When he got into trouble, he was considered overpaid.</p>
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		<title>By: Donaldson Tan</title>
		<link>http://theonlinecitizen.com/2009/02/what-is-public-service/comment-page-1/#comment-53877</link>
		<dc:creator>Donaldson Tan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Feb 2009 14:58:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>make it simple (#10),

I believe the author meant the professional staff should be reasonably compensated for doing an excellent job. I share the author&#039;s opinion that public attitude towards Public Service is quite outdated.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>make it simple (#10),</p>
<p>I believe the author meant the professional staff should be reasonably compensated for doing an excellent job. I share the author&#8217;s opinion that public attitude towards Public Service is quite outdated.</p>
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		<title>By: make it simple</title>
		<link>http://theonlinecitizen.com/2009/02/what-is-public-service/comment-page-1/#comment-53874</link>
		<dc:creator>make it simple</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Feb 2009 14:44:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So, in short , you mean you support the idea of paying high salaries for public service? 

y/n ?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So, in short , you mean you support the idea of paying high salaries for public service? </p>
<p>y/n ?</p>
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		<title>By: WHOknowNEXT</title>
		<link>http://theonlinecitizen.com/2009/02/what-is-public-service/comment-page-1/#comment-53865</link>
		<dc:creator>WHOknowNEXT</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Feb 2009 14:04:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Public service is  PAY AND PAY, U are fed with information that are not useful, most to collect money, talk to U like public service, but they are doing the wrong way, just 
like they own the place, they only answer to their Master on top.
THEY are well pay FATTEST CAT in the world.......</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Public service is  PAY AND PAY, U are fed with information that are not useful, most to collect money, talk to U like public service, but they are doing the wrong way, just<br />
like they own the place, they only answer to their Master on top.<br />
THEY are well pay FATTEST CAT in the world&#8230;&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: Jolovan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jolovan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Feb 2009 13:17:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>yes, govt funded NGOs are known as GoNGOs</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>yes, govt funded NGOs are known as GoNGOs</p>
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		<title>By: jupilier</title>
		<link>http://theonlinecitizen.com/2009/02/what-is-public-service/comment-page-1/#comment-53810</link>
		<dc:creator>jupilier</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Feb 2009 08:52:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There are many NGOs that are funded by governments too.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There are many NGOs that are funded by governments too.</p>
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		<title>By: Ah Tan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ah Tan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Feb 2009 06:51:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow, impressive, you are studying public administration at New York University.
Its kind of rare course for singaporeans right? 
So, i wonder what sort of career would you intend to work for upon graduation?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow, impressive, you are studying public administration at New York University.<br />
Its kind of rare course for singaporeans right?<br />
So, i wonder what sort of career would you intend to work for upon graduation?</p>
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		<title>By: mike</title>
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		<dc:creator>mike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Feb 2009 06:38:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i read an article once of an ex PM of England, Margaret Thachet quote saying : if government involved in corporate world and own it as well, the public would suffer. is that sound familiar??..</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i read an article once of an ex PM of England, Margaret Thachet quote saying : if government involved in corporate world and own it as well, the public would suffer. is that sound familiar??..</p>
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		<title>By: Small Time Businessman</title>
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		<dc:creator>Small Time Businessman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Feb 2009 06:20:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>they should be called &quot;public masters&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>they should be called &#8220;public masters&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: redkingkong</title>
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		<dc:creator>redkingkong</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Feb 2009 06:13:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>terms like &quot;public service&quot; or &quot;civil servants&quot; are a misnomer in singapore&#039;s context and cannot be applied here as the entire so called &quot;public sector&quot; is being run like a coporation with the ministers taking the CEO, CFO, COO or whatever seats, and thus rewarding themselves extraordinarily large pay packages.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>terms like &#8220;public service&#8221; or &#8220;civil servants&#8221; are a misnomer in singapore&#8217;s context and cannot be applied here as the entire so called &#8220;public sector&#8221; is being run like a coporation with the ministers taking the CEO, CFO, COO or whatever seats, and thus rewarding themselves extraordinarily large pay packages.</p>
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		<title>By: Volunteers for TKL</title>
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		<dc:creator>Volunteers for TKL</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Feb 2009 05:58:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Civic Advocator believes that what we are doing is considered public service.

See http://tankinlian100k.b1.sg/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Civic Advocator believes that what we are doing is considered public service.</p>
<p>See <a href="http://tankinlian100k.b1.sg/" rel="nofollow">http://tankinlian100k.b1.sg/</a></p>
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