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	<title>Comments on: A response to MM Lee&#8217;s private secretary on dialects</title>
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		<title>By: Oh Holy</title>
		<link>http://theonlinecitizen.com/2009/03/a-response-to-mm-lees-private-secretary-on-dialects/comment-page-3/#comment-126456</link>
		<dc:creator>Oh Holy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Jan 2010 02:48:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@21 

Actually u r right, he is peranakan and not Hakka. He made a honest mistake as he doesnt know his roots well. His daughter Lee Wee Ling pointed out that they r actually peranakan in the Strait Times commentary a few months ago after the ending of the tc 8 peranakan tv series lol...</description>
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<p>Actually u r right, he is peranakan and not Hakka. He made a honest mistake as he doesnt know his roots well. His daughter Lee Wee Ling pointed out that they r actually peranakan in the Strait Times commentary a few months ago after the ending of the tc 8 peranakan tv series lol&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: hnming</title>
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		<dc:creator>hnming</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 May 2009 11:25:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Interestingly, not long ago I noticed this ad for the Subordinate Courts of Singapore.

The irony is that even the Singapore GOVERNMENT sometimes NEEDS positions that require dialect proficiency. Where are they going to get people to fill the positions below if learning dialect is stupid? Does Mr Chee want all the courts to have no interpreters in future? How do we maintain functioning courts by then?


LANGUAGE EXECUTIVES [CHINESE &amp; MALAY] 
Junior Executive Jobs by The Subordinate Courts 
 	

 
(a) CHINESE INTERPRETERS’ SECTION
 
•	You must have an Honours or Pass University degree, preferably majoring in Chinese studies or English. You must also have at least a B4 credit in Chinese at ‘AO’ level and a B4 credit in GP.  
•	You are expected to render accurate and professional interpretation and translation of documents in English, Chinese and/or dialects you are proficient in. You are also required to mediate in maintenance cases and to perform any other duties in the administration of justice.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interestingly, not long ago I noticed this ad for the Subordinate Courts of Singapore.</p>
<p>The irony is that even the Singapore GOVERNMENT sometimes NEEDS positions that require dialect proficiency. Where are they going to get people to fill the positions below if learning dialect is stupid? Does Mr Chee want all the courts to have no interpreters in future? How do we maintain functioning courts by then?</p>
<p>LANGUAGE EXECUTIVES [CHINESE &amp; MALAY]<br />
Junior Executive Jobs by The Subordinate Courts </p>
<p>(a) CHINESE INTERPRETERS’ SECTION</p>
<p>•	You must have an Honours or Pass University degree, preferably majoring in Chinese studies or English. You must also have at least a B4 credit in Chinese at ‘AO’ level and a B4 credit in GP.<br />
•	You are expected to render accurate and professional interpretation and translation of documents in English, Chinese and/or dialects you are proficient in. You are also required to mediate in maintenance cases and to perform any other duties in the administration of justice.</p>
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		<title>By: AngloBaba</title>
		<link>http://theonlinecitizen.com/2009/03/a-response-to-mm-lees-private-secretary-on-dialects/comment-page-3/#comment-59392</link>
		<dc:creator>AngloBaba</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Mar 2009 05:20:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It is a pity that young Singaporeans speak and write such poor English and apparently can not perform in Mandarin as well. The education system is failing Singaporeans. I am finding it increasingly difficult to understand the English of young Singaporeans. Foreigners even ask me what language these young people speak as they can not understand them. I understand that the same is happening with Mandarin.

One moment, it is &#039;Speak Good English&#039;. The next moment, &#039;Be Heard in Mandarin&#039;. Now, Mandarin is to be the mother tongue of Singaporeans. Why doesn&#039;t the government focus on one thing at a time? Get one thing right first and move on from there. In other nations, students are taught their native tongue first. Once they are grounded in that, they can choose to learn another language. English is the medium of education, law, commerce and government in Singapore but the English is not taught to a good standard to-day. Mandarin is apparently taught poorly too. Otherwise, Singaporeans will not need to bother with private tutors.

At the end of a person&#039;s educational life, there is apparently nothing to show but poor language skills? This is depressing.

Is Mr Chee a Singaporean? Did he not learn anything from all those courtesy campaigns in the 70s and 80s?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is a pity that young Singaporeans speak and write such poor English and apparently can not perform in Mandarin as well. The education system is failing Singaporeans. I am finding it increasingly difficult to understand the English of young Singaporeans. Foreigners even ask me what language these young people speak as they can not understand them. I understand that the same is happening with Mandarin.</p>
<p>One moment, it is &#8216;Speak Good English&#8217;. The next moment, &#8216;Be Heard in Mandarin&#8217;. Now, Mandarin is to be the mother tongue of Singaporeans. Why doesn&#8217;t the government focus on one thing at a time? Get one thing right first and move on from there. In other nations, students are taught their native tongue first. Once they are grounded in that, they can choose to learn another language. English is the medium of education, law, commerce and government in Singapore but the English is not taught to a good standard to-day. Mandarin is apparently taught poorly too. Otherwise, Singaporeans will not need to bother with private tutors.</p>
<p>At the end of a person&#8217;s educational life, there is apparently nothing to show but poor language skills? This is depressing.</p>
<p>Is Mr Chee a Singaporean? Did he not learn anything from all those courtesy campaigns in the 70s and 80s?</p>
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		<title>By: Steve</title>
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		<dc:creator>Steve</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Mar 2009 06:18:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Eh.... SM just made a presentation in English (captured on Channel News Asia) somewhere in Guangzhou , China two days.....

What is this !!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Eh&#8230;. SM just made a presentation in English (captured on Channel News Asia) somewhere in Guangzhou , China two days&#8230;..</p>
<p>What is this !!</p>
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		<title>By: laworder</title>
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		<dc:creator>laworder</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Mar 2009 06:39:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To www March 21st, 2009 3.41 pm,

That is right, he is not passing any law. But he is discrimintating other languages. Does that come under any discrimination laws in singapore?  

All we want is respect and free use of languages from respective ethnic groups, races...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To www March 21st, 2009 3.41 pm,</p>
<p>That is right, he is not passing any law. But he is discrimintating other languages. Does that come under any discrimination laws in singapore?  </p>
<p>All we want is respect and free use of languages from respective ethnic groups, races&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: laworder</title>
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		<dc:creator>laworder</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Mar 2009 06:35:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>LKY is committing acts of discrimination; language discrimination amounts to ethnic discrimination and systematically wiping out all hokkiens, teochews, cantonese.... in Singapore! Everyone, do you remember Milosokvic (spelling?)? Thus, we should/must bring him to court (WHICH COURT?) and impeach him (as the prime minister or miniser mental?). The time has come. Come on everyone, we are really the voice for our nation, our people and our land.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>LKY is committing acts of discrimination; language discrimination amounts to ethnic discrimination and systematically wiping out all hokkiens, teochews, cantonese&#8230;. in Singapore! Everyone, do you remember Milosokvic (spelling?)? Thus, we should/must bring him to court (WHICH COURT?) and impeach him (as the prime minister or miniser mental?). The time has come. Come on everyone, we are really the voice for our nation, our people and our land.</p>
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		<title>By: www</title>
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		<dc:creator>www</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Mar 2009 07:41:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Which do you think it is a better idea: to officially promote good English, good Chinese, or dialects, or everything? What benefits do you want to achieve for the society if you are the government?

You may not like the way he talks, but he is not passing a law to ban the use of dialects.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Which do you think it is a better idea: to officially promote good English, good Chinese, or dialects, or everything? What benefits do you want to achieve for the society if you are the government?</p>
<p>You may not like the way he talks, but he is not passing a law to ban the use of dialects.</p>
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		<title>By: smallvice585</title>
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		<dc:creator>smallvice585</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Mar 2009 00:10:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>www (#130),

But what government is doing is prohibiting the institutionalisation of dialects.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>www (#130),</p>
<p>But what government is doing is prohibiting the institutionalisation of dialects.</p>
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		<title>By: www</title>
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		<dc:creator>www</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Mar 2009 23:57:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If you can put yourself into the shoes of a government, you will understand. Nobody is saying you cannot use dialects in your daily life, but to ask the government promote the use of dialect is a different story.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If you can put yourself into the shoes of a government, you will understand. Nobody is saying you cannot use dialects in your daily life, but to ask the government promote the use of dialect is a different story.</p>
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		<title>By: smallvice585</title>
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		<dc:creator>smallvice585</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Mar 2009 23:45:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No wonder MM&#039;s Press Secretary had to react in such a way. &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.straitstimes.com/Breaking%2BNews/Singapore/Story/STIStory_351389.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;He was protecting MM&#039;s legacy&lt;/a&gt; in order to warm the nice platinun coffin GIC, Temasek and Singapore taxypayers had coughed out generously for him.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No wonder MM&#8217;s Press Secretary had to react in such a way. <a href="http://www.straitstimes.com/Breaking%2BNews/Singapore/Story/STIStory_351389.html" rel="nofollow">He was protecting MM&#8217;s legacy</a> in order to warm the nice platinun coffin GIC, Temasek and Singapore taxypayers had coughed out generously for him.</p>
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		<title>By: so_concerned</title>
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		<dc:creator>so_concerned</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Mar 2009 23:57:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i do hope all these &quot;protests&quot; will not fall on blind eyes or deaf ears of those in the government admin.  their problem is one of &quot;we know better than you - so listen to me.&quot;  such topdown approach is no longer appropriate.  they should alos learn from the noise from the messes.  i do hope they realise that they are now dealing with singaporeans [who have seen as much if not more of the world than them] to know what have gone wrong with their past polciies!!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i do hope all these &#8220;protests&#8221; will not fall on blind eyes or deaf ears of those in the government admin.  their problem is one of &#8220;we know better than you &#8211; so listen to me.&#8221;  such topdown approach is no longer appropriate.  they should alos learn from the noise from the messes.  i do hope they realise that they are now dealing with singaporeans [who have seen as much if not more of the world than them] to know what have gone wrong with their past polciies!!!</p>
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		<title>By: Loyola</title>
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		<dc:creator>Loyola</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Mar 2009 18:12:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>126, 

Why should Singaporeans require Chinese for Uni entry? We are not a Chinese Republic.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>126, </p>
<p>Why should Singaporeans require Chinese for Uni entry? We are not a Chinese Republic.</p>
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		<title>By: Bastardized Chinese Language in Singapore</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bastardized Chinese Language in Singapore</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Mar 2009 16:19:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Younger generation can no longer speak a proper sentence in Chinese, regardless of Cantonese or Hokkien or others. &quot;Mother tongue&quot; has been reduced and diluted so much that it is just a &quot;foreign language&quot;. English is our mother tongue now.

The government has never really been sincere about promoting chinese education despite talking and advertising about it. Chinese lessons have been reduced in schools, subjects taught in chinese have been removed, most subjects are taught in English. Chinese is no longer required as a pre-requisite for University entry. On the streets, signage in Chinese has been removed, except in China town and tourist areas. Government agencies are mainly english speaking. 

The entire ecology of Chinese education has been systematically removed... And you wonder why despite the government&#039;s efforts to promote Chinese, the standard of Chinese is dropping...

Wonder no more... It is systematic removal of the Chinese Language.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Younger generation can no longer speak a proper sentence in Chinese, regardless of Cantonese or Hokkien or others. &#8220;Mother tongue&#8221; has been reduced and diluted so much that it is just a &#8220;foreign language&#8221;. English is our mother tongue now.</p>
<p>The government has never really been sincere about promoting chinese education despite talking and advertising about it. Chinese lessons have been reduced in schools, subjects taught in chinese have been removed, most subjects are taught in English. Chinese is no longer required as a pre-requisite for University entry. On the streets, signage in Chinese has been removed, except in China town and tourist areas. Government agencies are mainly english speaking. </p>
<p>The entire ecology of Chinese education has been systematically removed&#8230; And you wonder why despite the government&#8217;s efforts to promote Chinese, the standard of Chinese is dropping&#8230;</p>
<p>Wonder no more&#8230; It is systematic removal of the Chinese Language.</p>
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		<title>By: give me hell, yea!</title>
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		<dc:creator>give me hell, yea!</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Mar 2009 15:34:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Right on! I have always taken pride in speaking singlish, cantonese, hokkien and teochew with a little malay in-between and  a couple of tamil words. hey, mandrain is not my mother tongue and i dun care for it. in fact, i was thinking to take up a malay language course.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Right on! I have always taken pride in speaking singlish, cantonese, hokkien and teochew with a little malay in-between and  a couple of tamil words. hey, mandrain is not my mother tongue and i dun care for it. in fact, i was thinking to take up a malay language course.</p>
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		<title>By: David</title>
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		<dc:creator>David</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Mar 2009 17:45:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Chee Hong Tat&#039;s remarks have strongly irked  the Hokkien Association,  Teochew Association, Hainanese, Haka and many other clans and association in Singapore. PAP is going to lost most of the votes with such insensitive remarks as to call all dialect speakers STUPID!!  Does PAP know why they always lost their votes in Hougang, because Low Thia Kiang speaks very good Teochew to connect well with people in Hougang and garner rapport from the residents there.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Chee Hong Tat&#8217;s remarks have strongly irked  the Hokkien Association,  Teochew Association, Hainanese, Haka and many other clans and association in Singapore. PAP is going to lost most of the votes with such insensitive remarks as to call all dialect speakers STUPID!!  Does PAP know why they always lost their votes in Hougang, because Low Thia Kiang speaks very good Teochew to connect well with people in Hougang and garner rapport from the residents there.</p>
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		<title>By: Jane</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jane</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Mar 2009 16:19:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To 119) mrthinktallk ，

Reach is a Web of Govt. The speed is still very slow now.
I think these are the two main reasons of not so active as compare to TOC.
Here, very fast and more interaction.
Also, the news reported and respond are very fast.
Lastly, I think most of the people here dare to speak their mind.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To 119) mrthinktallk ，</p>
<p>Reach is a Web of Govt. The speed is still very slow now.<br />
I think these are the two main reasons of not so active as compare to TOC.<br />
Here, very fast and more interaction.<br />
Also, the news reported and respond are very fast.<br />
Lastly, I think most of the people here dare to speak their mind.</p>
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		<title>By: bababoy</title>
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		<dc:creator>bababoy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Mar 2009 14:30:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>fully agreed with #63...excellent use of adjective
and also #85 
i have a hypothesis why dialect might be ban by the S&#039;pore govern
coz when they hear or Hokkien profanities...their balls will shrink...and their boobs will sag..and they tongue twisted

to those on the side of the lobby advocating the speaking of dialect...please don use vulgarity in dialect...and stop your children and other from using dialect this way...only when we speak it the standard of the Tang Dynasty scholar and imperial way...can our dialect gain recognition..</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>fully agreed with #63&#8230;excellent use of adjective<br />
and also #85<br />
i have a hypothesis why dialect might be ban by the S&#8217;pore govern<br />
coz when they hear or Hokkien profanities&#8230;their balls will shrink&#8230;and their boobs will sag..and they tongue twisted</p>
<p>to those on the side of the lobby advocating the speaking of dialect&#8230;please don use vulgarity in dialect&#8230;and stop your children and other from using dialect this way&#8230;only when we speak it the standard of the Tang Dynasty scholar and imperial way&#8230;can our dialect gain recognition..</p>
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		<title>By: Mrthinktalk</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mrthinktalk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Mar 2009 13:27:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>so far 120 comments more than 4000views for this topic is 
this a record? I wonder u get this much if the word stupid is not used
maybe not One can learn lessons from this!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>so far 120 comments more than 4000views for this topic is<br />
this a record? I wonder u get this much if the word stupid is not used<br />
maybe not One can learn lessons from this!</p>
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		<title>By: Jackson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jackson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Mar 2009 08:11:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I speak both English and Mandarin. Even though English is 1st language, to me my Mandarin then is my 1st language. I&#039;m Chinese, not angmoh. Btw I like to sing cantonese songs.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I speak both English and Mandarin. Even though English is 1st language, to me my Mandarin then is my 1st language. I&#8217;m Chinese, not angmoh. Btw I like to sing cantonese songs.</p>
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		<title>By: mrthinktallk</title>
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		<dc:creator>mrthinktallk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Mar 2009 07:55:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks Jane 118  for the REACH link
Just went there. Apparently TOC seem to have more postings and more active.
Is it because the TOC format is more user-friendly.. a technical thing or something else i think.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks Jane 118  for the REACH link<br />
Just went there. Apparently TOC seem to have more postings and more active.<br />
Is it because the TOC format is more user-friendly.. a technical thing or something else i think.</p>
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