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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://theonlinecitizen.com/2009/03/gic-had-bought-too-early/comment-page-2/#comment-55706</link>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Mar 2009 14:11:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Too early? What too early? Should not have done it in the first place.
Here is what Luck Tan says in his Blog:
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What surprises me was MM Lee saying that the GIC and Temasek invested in those banks &quot;too early&quot; [Link]. They invested in those banks more than a year ago. But what is the difference if they had gone in 6 months ago, 3 months ago or even 2 months? They would have lost most of their money anyway given these banks are insolvent. Citigroup stocks have fallen about 50% in the last 5 days. They had many months to discover their mistake and unwind their investments and save taxpayers&#039; money. But they are unable to admit to making a mistake even today so we have Singaporeans&#039; money stuck in these banks whose stocks are heading south everyday. It is highly dangerous to leave taxpayers&#039; money in entities that are not completely transparent and it is even more dangerous when the people running them cannot admit their mistakes, learn their lessons and allow small blunders to turn into catastrophic losses.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Too early? What too early? Should not have done it in the first place.<br />
Here is what Luck Tan says in his Blog:<br />
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What surprises me was MM Lee saying that the GIC and Temasek invested in those banks &#8220;too early&#8221; [Link]. They invested in those banks more than a year ago. But what is the difference if they had gone in 6 months ago, 3 months ago or even 2 months? They would have lost most of their money anyway given these banks are insolvent. Citigroup stocks have fallen about 50% in the last 5 days. They had many months to discover their mistake and unwind their investments and save taxpayers&#8217; money. But they are unable to admit to making a mistake even today so we have Singaporeans&#8217; money stuck in these banks whose stocks are heading south everyday. It is highly dangerous to leave taxpayers&#8217; money in entities that are not completely transparent and it is even more dangerous when the people running them cannot admit their mistakes, learn their lessons and allow small blunders to turn into catastrophic losses.<br />
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		<title>By: long-term perspective</title>
		<link>http://theonlinecitizen.com/2009/03/gic-had-bought-too-early/comment-page-2/#comment-55669</link>
		<dc:creator>long-term perspective</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Mar 2009 10:24:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>51) Victor on March 6th, 2009 6.17 pm 

Nice to have you around. Unfortunately, we sometimes have to put in a little bit of satire to blunt the effect of some forceful yet important views on our part.

Cheers</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>51) Victor on March 6th, 2009 6.17 pm </p>
<p>Nice to have you around. Unfortunately, we sometimes have to put in a little bit of satire to blunt the effect of some forceful yet important views on our part.</p>
<p>Cheers</p>
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		<title>By: Victor</title>
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		<dc:creator>Victor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Mar 2009 10:17:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>50) long-term perspective on March 6th, 2009 6.00 pm 

Haha, you have suddenly become very knowledgeable.

Cheers!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>50) long-term perspective on March 6th, 2009 6.00 pm </p>
<p>Haha, you have suddenly become very knowledgeable.</p>
<p>Cheers!</p>
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		<title>By: long-term perspective</title>
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		<dc:creator>long-term perspective</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Mar 2009 10:00:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>49) Victor on March 6th, 2009 5.37 pm 

Aiyoh, so serious for what lah. just a joke lah. 

in fact, p/l or b/s to me are just a guide. let me tell you something, I go for cash flow lah, sunk costs &amp; other b/s items to me are meaningless unless they represent something which brings me real value (further timely converted cash) in the future and not those dangling in the b/s purely as a fanciful decorative item to boost up an illusionary net worth value. Each figure (though it may be in similar numerical absolutes) in your a/cting report has their own special unique personalities / characteristics, if you know what I mean. 

So what do you think of my explanation this time.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>49) Victor on March 6th, 2009 5.37 pm </p>
<p>Aiyoh, so serious for what lah. just a joke lah. </p>
<p>in fact, p/l or b/s to me are just a guide. let me tell you something, I go for cash flow lah, sunk costs &amp; other b/s items to me are meaningless unless they represent something which brings me real value (further timely converted cash) in the future and not those dangling in the b/s purely as a fanciful decorative item to boost up an illusionary net worth value. Each figure (though it may be in similar numerical absolutes) in your a/cting report has their own special unique personalities / characteristics, if you know what I mean. </p>
<p>So what do you think of my explanation this time.</p>
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		<title>By: Victor</title>
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		<dc:creator>Victor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Mar 2009 09:37:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#48 Long-term perspective

I believe you are not competent in Accountancy. Companies have accounting reporting period. They need to recognise the loss/profits at each ending accounting period to reflect their current net worth. A loss is loss and don&#039;t tell me its only paper loss. 

&quot;so dirt-cheap now&quot;??? Go and buy more now and you will see more losses. The market has not bottom yet. Cheaper can be cheaper tomorrow and the day after.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#48 Long-term perspective</p>
<p>I believe you are not competent in Accountancy. Companies have accounting reporting period. They need to recognise the loss/profits at each ending accounting period to reflect their current net worth. A loss is loss and don&#8217;t tell me its only paper loss. </p>
<p>&#8220;so dirt-cheap now&#8221;??? Go and buy more now and you will see more losses. The market has not bottom yet. Cheaper can be cheaper tomorrow and the day after.</p>
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		<title>By: long-term perspective</title>
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		<dc:creator>long-term perspective</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Mar 2009 08:48:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;I am amazed by such a big loss in less than a month.&quot;

What is there to be amazed about. Anyway, paper loss only lah and still unrealised. Think long long term lah.

As it is so dirt-cheap now, &quot;&#039;They are in fact well-positioned to buy good quality assets at prices that are &#039;attractive from a long-term perspective&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;I am amazed by such a big loss in less than a month.&#8221;</p>
<p>What is there to be amazed about. Anyway, paper loss only lah and still unrealised. Think long long term lah.</p>
<p>As it is so dirt-cheap now, &#8220;&#8216;They are in fact well-positioned to buy good quality assets at prices that are &#8216;attractive from a long-term perspective&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: Victor</title>
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		<dc:creator>Victor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Mar 2009 08:21:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>GIC converted their preference share into CITI ordinary shares at USD3.25. CITI closed at USD 1.02 this morning. This translates into a loss of more than 68% of GIC&#039;s investment in CITI.

I am amazed by such a big loss in less than a month.

What are these highly paid people at GIC doing? ####?????</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>GIC converted their preference share into CITI ordinary shares at USD3.25. CITI closed at USD 1.02 this morning. This translates into a loss of more than 68% of GIC&#8217;s investment in CITI.</p>
<p>I am amazed by such a big loss in less than a month.</p>
<p>What are these highly paid people at GIC doing? ####?????</p>
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		<title>By: tiredsingaporean</title>
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		<dc:creator>tiredsingaporean</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Mar 2009 02:26:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>44) red_dot on March 6th, 2009 9.30 am
So they think they are market gurus in investing??
Politicians are the worst investors. They are NUTS
where business is concern. They will be losing
75% of the country’s 40 years savings and they
can just smile as though they lost only 25 cents!!

Like that I also want, win I keep all the profits and reaward myself, loss goes to the people of singapore, increase more tax. Hey wake up!!!!!! singaporeans!!!
What will singaporeans reaction be like when they found out that all of their entire cpf life savings are gone? Hey guys, those digits you see in your cpf statments are printed, get the meaning?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>44) red_dot on March 6th, 2009 9.30 am<br />
So they think they are market gurus in investing??<br />
Politicians are the worst investors. They are NUTS<br />
where business is concern. They will be losing<br />
75% of the country’s 40 years savings and they<br />
can just smile as though they lost only 25 cents!!</p>
<p>Like that I also want, win I keep all the profits and reaward myself, loss goes to the people of singapore, increase more tax. Hey wake up!!!!!! singaporeans!!!<br />
What will singaporeans reaction be like when they found out that all of their entire cpf life savings are gone? Hey guys, those digits you see in your cpf statments are printed, get the meaning?</p>
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		<title>By: Nathane Chen Shui Lian</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nathane Chen Shui Lian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Mar 2009 02:07:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>22) stone on March 5th, 2009 10.40 am 
How much is the actual loss? Depends on how much is GIC assets.

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i thot that guy said already? I mean based on trust, what he said should be the truth and nothing but the truth so help me right?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>22) stone on March 5th, 2009 10.40 am<br />
How much is the actual loss? Depends on how much is GIC assets.</p>
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<p>i thot that guy said already? I mean based on trust, what he said should be the truth and nothing but the truth so help me right?</p>
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		<title>By: red_dot</title>
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		<dc:creator>red_dot</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Mar 2009 01:30:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Who is he going to bluff?
The world equity market peaked on October 2007.
GIC and TH must count their losses from this date.
Their losses will be at least 50%!!!!
With another major crash coming their ultimate
losses could be as much as 75%.

So they think they are market gurus in investing??
Politicians are the worst investors. They are NUTS
where business is concern. They will be losing
75% of the country&#039;s 40 years savings and they 
can just smile as though they lost only 25 cents!!

Keep scoring everyone....they must account and be
responsible for the losses!!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Who is he going to bluff?<br />
The world equity market peaked on October 2007.<br />
GIC and TH must count their losses from this date.<br />
Their losses will be at least 50%!!!!<br />
With another major crash coming their ultimate<br />
losses could be as much as 75%.</p>
<p>So they think they are market gurus in investing??<br />
Politicians are the worst investors. They are NUTS<br />
where business is concern. They will be losing<br />
75% of the country&#8217;s 40 years savings and they<br />
can just smile as though they lost only 25 cents!!</p>
<p>Keep scoring everyone&#8230;.they must account and be<br />
responsible for the losses!!!</p>
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		<title>By: kingrant</title>
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		<dc:creator>kingrant</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Mar 2009 17:44:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#37-39,

That&#039;s why their talk is cheap becos we&#039;re paying for their crap!</description>
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<p>That&#8217;s why their talk is cheap becos we&#8217;re paying for their crap!</p>
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		<title>By: rfrg</title>
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		<dc:creator>rfrg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Mar 2009 16:33:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i think confirm investment will win and lose money.

but most important is when investment make a lot of money, did i benefit from it?

i think i did not.

but when investment failed i suffer also.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i think confirm investment will win and lose money.</p>
<p>but most important is when investment make a lot of money, did i benefit from it?</p>
<p>i think i did not.</p>
<p>but when investment failed i suffer also.</p>
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		<title>By: I Can Honestly Say . . .</title>
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		<dc:creator>I Can Honestly Say . . .</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Mar 2009 16:29:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>is there even a need to lose 25%?

Just because we supposedly outperformed others who performed worse, is that ok?

Wrong is not that wrong when others are more wrong?

Geez.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>is there even a need to lose 25%?</p>
<p>Just because we supposedly outperformed others who performed worse, is that ok?</p>
<p>Wrong is not that wrong when others are more wrong?</p>
<p>Geez.</p>
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		<title>By: SZ</title>
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		<dc:creator>SZ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Mar 2009 15:53:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>34) Plumber

That&#039;s easily said then done...but how long will it take to break even such a huge amount...we will not know. and you have also forgotten to mention that if the company is nationalized, say bye bye and everything is wipe clean</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>34) Plumber</p>
<p>That&#8217;s easily said then done&#8230;but how long will it take to break even such a huge amount&#8230;we will not know. and you have also forgotten to mention that if the company is nationalized, say bye bye and everything is wipe clean</p>
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		<title>By: Peter Tan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Peter Tan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Mar 2009 15:51:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What MM Lee said on 5 November 2006 - He should retire graciously now

&#039;If you ask me, the future is really shining for us...We will survive; this is a red dot, which we can make redder and brighter.&#039; 
(On the economy, quoted in The Straits Times, November 5 2006)

http://www.straitstimes.com/Pioneers+Of+Singapore/Lee+Kuan+Yew/Quotes/Quotes.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What MM Lee said on 5 November 2006 &#8211; He should retire graciously now</p>
<p>&#8216;If you ask me, the future is really shining for us&#8230;We will survive; this is a red dot, which we can make redder and brighter.&#8217;<br />
(On the economy, quoted in The Straits Times, November 5 2006)</p>
<p><a href="http://www.straitstimes.com/Pioneers+Of+Singapore/Lee+Kuan+Yew/Quotes/Quotes.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.straitstimes.com/Pioneers+Of+Singapore/Lee+Kuan+Yew/Quotes/Quotes.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: Peter Tan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Peter Tan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Mar 2009 15:45:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What MM Lee said on 5 April 2007 - Look at what happen to our asset values now?!

&#039;You know, the cure for all this talk is really a good dose of incompetent government. You get that alternative and you&#039;ll never put Singapore together again: Humpty Dumpty cannot be put together again...and your asset values will be in peril, your security will be at risk and our women will become maids in other people&#039;s countries, foreign workers.&#039; 
(Justifying pay hikes for Singapore ministers, The Straits Times, 5 April 2007)

http://www.straitstimes.com/Pioneers+Of+Singapore/Lee+Kuan+Yew/Quotes/Quotes.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What MM Lee said on 5 April 2007 &#8211; Look at what happen to our asset values now?!</p>
<p>&#8216;You know, the cure for all this talk is really a good dose of incompetent government. You get that alternative and you&#8217;ll never put Singapore together again: Humpty Dumpty cannot be put together again&#8230;and your asset values will be in peril, your security will be at risk and our women will become maids in other people&#8217;s countries, foreign workers.&#8217;<br />
(Justifying pay hikes for Singapore ministers, The Straits Times, 5 April 2007)</p>
<p><a href="http://www.straitstimes.com/Pioneers+Of+Singapore/Lee+Kuan+Yew/Quotes/Quotes.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.straitstimes.com/Pioneers+Of+Singapore/Lee+Kuan+Yew/Quotes/Quotes.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: Peter Tan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Peter Tan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Mar 2009 15:41:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>ON THE FUTURE  
 &#039;If we maximise our opportunities in this golden period, in five years we will have a more vibrant cosmopolitan Singapore, not only clean, green and safe, but also a city, fun to work and live in for Singaporeans and for the many foreign professionals and their families.&#039; 
(Speech at Tanjong Pagar GRC Orchard Fiesta at Civic Plaza, Ngee Ann City Building, 7 July 2007)
 
http://www.straitstimes.com/Pioneers+Of+Singapore/Lee+Kuan+Yew/Quotes/Quotes.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>ON THE FUTURE<br />
 &#8216;If we maximise our opportunities in this golden period, in five years we will have a more vibrant cosmopolitan Singapore, not only clean, green and safe, but also a city, fun to work and live in for Singaporeans and for the many foreign professionals and their families.&#8217;<br />
(Speech at Tanjong Pagar GRC Orchard Fiesta at Civic Plaza, Ngee Ann City Building, 7 July 2007)</p>
<p><a href="http://www.straitstimes.com/Pioneers+Of+Singapore/Lee+Kuan+Yew/Quotes/Quotes.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.straitstimes.com/Pioneers+Of+Singapore/Lee+Kuan+Yew/Quotes/Quotes.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: no time for peace, only eternal war</title>
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		<dc:creator>no time for peace, only eternal war</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Mar 2009 14:54:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>how he know that its 10 yrs? anyhow say.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>how he know that its 10 yrs? anyhow say.</p>
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		<title>By: Plumber</title>
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		<dc:creator>Plumber</dc:creator>
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		<description>To Ah kao,
no, the losses are still not realised until you sell the shares. As long as you keep the shares and the companies you have invested are stlil around, the losses remained unrealised.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To Ah kao,<br />
no, the losses are still not realised until you sell the shares. As long as you keep the shares and the companies you have invested are stlil around, the losses remained unrealised.</p>
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		<title>By: Andre Leonis</title>
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		<dc:creator>Andre Leonis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Mar 2009 13:17:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good year .
got talent waht.
ho very talent what.
why leave?
talent should not leave ?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good year .<br />
got talent waht.<br />
ho very talent what.<br />
why leave?<br />
talent should not leave ?</p>
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