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		<title>By: Ummm....</title>
		<link>http://theonlinecitizen.com/2009/03/gic-losses-%e2%80%93-foreign-media-more-important-than-parliament/comment-page-1/#comment-59061</link>
		<dc:creator>Ummm....</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Mar 2009 09:43:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>the phrase is dribs and drabs.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>the phrase is dribs and drabs.</p>
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		<title>By: w56u</title>
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		<dc:creator>w56u</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Mar 2009 04:02:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>what is our president gonna do about this? couch potato?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>what is our president gonna do about this? couch potato?</p>
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		<title>By: Singapore politics: a system that is open, honest and transparent &#171; Gimme Some Truth!</title>
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		<dc:creator>Singapore politics: a system that is open, honest and transparent &#171; Gimme Some Truth!</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Mar 2009 04:18:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] only after an interview by Reuters on March 4th did our MM provide an official figure of 25%. As Leong Sze Hian pointed out on TOC, its a tragedy when our own parliament and press had to rely on a foreign news [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] only after an interview by Reuters on March 4th did our MM provide an official figure of 25%. As Leong Sze Hian pointed out on TOC, its a tragedy when our own parliament and press had to rely on a foreign news [...]</p>
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		<title>By: T</title>
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		<dc:creator>T</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Mar 2009 00:47:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ah Lao - you are probably correct. That is precisely why a portfolio should be diversified in its asset classes, geography and instruments.  GIC&#039;s remit is to manage Singapore&#039;s reserve and its risk appetite is lower than Temasek - which is why it should have quite a big portion in fixed income. Temasek&#039;s biggest mistake is to plonk 40% into a single segment - financial institutions.

My post was to correct Sze Hian&#039;s statement: &quot;The difference between Temasek’s 31 per cent loss, which was made known earlier, and GIC’s 25 per cent is far from “substantially lower”. 

25% decline IS significantly lower than the decline of 42% in the World Equities Index. That statement by Lim Hwee Hua is factually correct. But whether GIC&#039;s performance should be benchmarked with the WEI is another issue. As you pointed out, it has more asset classes than just equities, and should rightly be benchmarked to a blended index.

cheers</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ah Lao &#8211; you are probably correct. That is precisely why a portfolio should be diversified in its asset classes, geography and instruments.  GIC&#8217;s remit is to manage Singapore&#8217;s reserve and its risk appetite is lower than Temasek &#8211; which is why it should have quite a big portion in fixed income. Temasek&#8217;s biggest mistake is to plonk 40% into a single segment &#8211; financial institutions.</p>
<p>My post was to correct Sze Hian&#8217;s statement: &#8220;The difference between Temasek’s 31 per cent loss, which was made known earlier, and GIC’s 25 per cent is far from “substantially lower”. </p>
<p>25% decline IS significantly lower than the decline of 42% in the World Equities Index. That statement by Lim Hwee Hua is factually correct. But whether GIC&#8217;s performance should be benchmarked with the WEI is another issue. As you pointed out, it has more asset classes than just equities, and should rightly be benchmarked to a blended index.</p>
<p>cheers</p>
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		<title>By: Ah Lao</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ah Lao</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Mar 2009 17:08:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#19, T

If I&#039;m not mistaken, GIC&#039;s portfolio consists of about 40% bonds which probably have appreciated as interest rates were lowered by the major economic countries which would have cushioned the most likely sharper fall in GIC&#039;s equities portfolio, real estate and special investments, eg hedge funds/private equities</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#19, T</p>
<p>If I&#8217;m not mistaken, GIC&#8217;s portfolio consists of about 40% bonds which probably have appreciated as interest rates were lowered by the major economic countries which would have cushioned the most likely sharper fall in GIC&#8217;s equities portfolio, real estate and special investments, eg hedge funds/private equities</p>
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		<title>By: Ah Lao</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ah Lao</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Mar 2009 17:01:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mr Leong asked:

&quot;Where is the sanctity of Parliament and its accountability to the people of Singapore?&quot;

More like wayang Parliament lah.

In any case I thought that in principle,  it should be that Parliament is SUPREME.

There should be more questions asked or inquiry held as to how such losses came about.

It is reported that the South Korea Pension fund made a small gain of 16.6 billion won profit on its 236,000 billion of asset because, having envisaged that the stock market was falling, it increased its bond holdings after selling off its equties.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mr Leong asked:</p>
<p>&#8220;Where is the sanctity of Parliament and its accountability to the people of Singapore?&#8221;</p>
<p>More like wayang Parliament lah.</p>
<p>In any case I thought that in principle,  it should be that Parliament is SUPREME.</p>
<p>There should be more questions asked or inquiry held as to how such losses came about.</p>
<p>It is reported that the South Korea Pension fund made a small gain of 16.6 billion won profit on its 236,000 billion of asset because, having envisaged that the stock market was falling, it increased its bond holdings after selling off its equties.</p>
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		<title>By: manKhan</title>
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		<dc:creator>manKhan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Mar 2009 13:13:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Arrogance is not good... Anything is possible... Remember Man U 1 - Liverpool 4?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Arrogance is not good&#8230; Anything is possible&#8230; Remember Man U 1 &#8211; Liverpool 4?</p>
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		<title>By: Kim San</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kim San</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Mar 2009 10:54:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#1

Edward, you are absolutely correct!

Elections are but an inconvenience to the PAP.  An inconvenient but necessary exercise.  They have come to believe that it is their right to rule this country.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#1</p>
<p>Edward, you are absolutely correct!</p>
<p>Elections are but an inconvenience to the PAP.  An inconvenient but necessary exercise.  They have come to believe that it is their right to rule this country.</p>
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		<title>By: T</title>
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		<dc:creator>T</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Mar 2009 10:32:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>/// The difference between Temasek’s 31 per cent loss, which was made known earlier, and GIC’s 25 per cent is far from “substantially lower”. ///

Sze Hian, I posted the link before in other threads, so you must have missed it.
Hwee Hua said GIC&#039;s loss was significantly lower than the WEI&#039;s 41% (should be 42% which she mistook for 41%), and not compared to Temasek&#039;s 31%.

/// Sir, I have given that reply to a previous parliamentary question, that GIC has actually registered a significantly lower reduction in value than the World Equity Index which I believe was 41% - let me just clarify that it is actually in the Hansard*. ///

http://www.parliament.gov.sg/parlweb/get_highlighted_content.jsp?docID=431637&amp;hlLevel=Terms&amp;links=LIM,HWEE,HUA,GIC&amp;hlWords=%20%20gic&amp;hlTitle=&amp;queryOption=1&amp;ref=http://www.parliament.gov.sg:80/reports/public/hansard/title/20090210/20090210_S0003_T0004.html#1</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>/// The difference between Temasek’s 31 per cent loss, which was made known earlier, and GIC’s 25 per cent is far from “substantially lower”. ///</p>
<p>Sze Hian, I posted the link before in other threads, so you must have missed it.<br />
Hwee Hua said GIC&#8217;s loss was significantly lower than the WEI&#8217;s 41% (should be 42% which she mistook for 41%), and not compared to Temasek&#8217;s 31%.</p>
<p>/// Sir, I have given that reply to a previous parliamentary question, that GIC has actually registered a significantly lower reduction in value than the World Equity Index which I believe was 41% &#8211; let me just clarify that it is actually in the Hansard*. ///</p>
<p><a href="http://www.parliament.gov.sg/parlweb/get_highlighted_content.jsp?docID=431637&#038;hlLevel=Terms&#038;links=LIM,HWEE,HUA,GIC&#038;hlWords=%20%20gic&#038;hlTitle=&#038;queryOption=1&#038;ref=http://www.parliament.gov.sg:80/reports/public/hansard/title/20090210/20090210_S0003_T0004.html#1" rel="nofollow">http://www.parliament.gov.sg/parlweb/get_highlighted_content.jsp?docID=431637&#038;hlLevel=Terms&#038;links=LIM,HWEE,HUA,GIC&#038;hlWords=%20%20gic&#038;hlTitle=&#038;queryOption=1&#038;ref=http://www.parliament.gov.sg:80/reports/public/hansard/title/20090210/20090210_S0003_T0004.html#1</a></p>
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		<title>By: winstoncheng</title>
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		<dc:creator>winstoncheng</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Mar 2009 10:13:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>They are strong and arrogant only because the people are weak and cowardy. It may seem that the sentiment here speaks otherwise but we (the netizens) are still a minoirty. 

In the nutshell, Singaporeans deserve what they are getting. I know it sounds harsh but I feel that&#039;s the reality.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>They are strong and arrogant only because the people are weak and cowardy. It may seem that the sentiment here speaks otherwise but we (the netizens) are still a minoirty. </p>
<p>In the nutshell, Singaporeans deserve what they are getting. I know it sounds harsh but I feel that&#8217;s the reality.</p>
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		<title>By: ronin</title>
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		<dc:creator>ronin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Mar 2009 05:58:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It has always been Men in White&#039;s modus operandi to confuse S&#039;poreans with half past 6 &quot;disclososure&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It has always been Men in White&#8217;s modus operandi to confuse S&#8217;poreans with half past 6 &#8220;disclososure&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: SingEsc</title>
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		<dc:creator>SingEsc</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Mar 2009 04:32:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To be precise, we are just &quot;digit&quot; to them. A singaporean is probably 0.75, where a foreign talent is 1.0, reasons being that foreigner are more likely to produce offspring and generate revenues by paying CPF, income tax, COE, maid levy etc etc, while singaporean will only complain complain and complain.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To be precise, we are just &#8220;digit&#8221; to them. A singaporean is probably 0.75, where a foreign talent is 1.0, reasons being that foreigner are more likely to produce offspring and generate revenues by paying CPF, income tax, COE, maid levy etc etc, while singaporean will only complain complain and complain.</p>
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		<title>By: Special money</title>
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		<dc:creator>Special money</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Mar 2009 03:35:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This arrogant govt only answerable to the foreigners, we the citizenry, in their eyes are their servants so they don&#039;t bother to disclose whatever information to our citizenry. The emperor will not entertain his subjects other than foreign dignitaries.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This arrogant govt only answerable to the foreigners, we the citizenry, in their eyes are their servants so they don&#8217;t bother to disclose whatever information to our citizenry. The emperor will not entertain his subjects other than foreign dignitaries.</p>
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		<title>By: Thelight</title>
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		<dc:creator>Thelight</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Mar 2009 03:19:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>of course he can&#039;t said that he don&#039;t know or not sure. The 25% lost, for me, I am not sure is the figure right? It could be more than 25%...

Sad to know the the reserve can&#039;t let Singaporean know. By the way, the reserve is belong to every Singaporean.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>of course he can&#8217;t said that he don&#8217;t know or not sure. The 25% lost, for me, I am not sure is the figure right? It could be more than 25%&#8230;</p>
<p>Sad to know the the reserve can&#8217;t let Singaporean know. By the way, the reserve is belong to every Singaporean.</p>
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		<title>By: A Tan</title>
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		<dc:creator>A Tan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Mar 2009 22:29:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Missing the point., Sze Hian.

Only MM can disclose such things. And he talks more to foreign media, than in parly, heh?

And can you blame him?

He can make or break anyone in Parly.

He cannot do that to foreign media. He can only sue them but they continue doing what they do, with scant respect to him.  Look at DJ. 

Power respects power. &quot;Running dogs&quot; can be ignored.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Missing the point., Sze Hian.</p>
<p>Only MM can disclose such things. And he talks more to foreign media, than in parly, heh?</p>
<p>And can you blame him?</p>
<p>He can make or break anyone in Parly.</p>
<p>He cannot do that to foreign media. He can only sue them but they continue doing what they do, with scant respect to him.  Look at DJ. </p>
<p>Power respects power. &#8220;Running dogs&#8221; can be ignored.</p>
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		<title>By: nobigdeal</title>
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		<dc:creator>nobigdeal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Mar 2009 15:51:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Imagine you are worth $10 billion.  Even if you lose 50%, still got $5 billion left what.  

So you must understand the mentality of these people.  Even if it is the nation&#039;s reserves, they will also think this way.

Of course they cannot say in this way lah.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Imagine you are worth $10 billion.  Even if you lose 50%, still got $5 billion left what.  </p>
<p>So you must understand the mentality of these people.  Even if it is the nation&#8217;s reserves, they will also think this way.</p>
<p>Of course they cannot say in this way lah.</p>
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		<title>By: mat</title>
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		<dc:creator>mat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Mar 2009 15:38:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Because they have already taken the electorate (people) for granted.  The electorate will support them strongly, whether it is good times or recession.  

Furthermore, even if the people suffer badly, they will not protest in the streets.

With no protests and strong support at elections time and again, why care about what the netizens say? Or what those in kopitiams say?  Or what you think in your heart? These don&#039;t really matter, right?

One more thing, GRC, lack of oppositon candidates and lawsuits!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Because they have already taken the electorate (people) for granted.  The electorate will support them strongly, whether it is good times or recession.  </p>
<p>Furthermore, even if the people suffer badly, they will not protest in the streets.</p>
<p>With no protests and strong support at elections time and again, why care about what the netizens say? Or what those in kopitiams say?  Or what you think in your heart? These don&#8217;t really matter, right?</p>
<p>One more thing, GRC, lack of oppositon candidates and lawsuits!</p>
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		<title>By: nuf sed</title>
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		<dc:creator>nuf sed</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Mar 2009 15:29:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I feel strongly that the people should have more say.
say in what? 
i cannot say.

nuf sed. Its Time!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I feel strongly that the people should have more say.<br />
say in what?<br />
i cannot say.</p>
<p>nuf sed. Its Time!</p>
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		<title>By: David</title>
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		<dc:creator>David</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Mar 2009 15:04:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Since we know that one party system bred non transparency and accountability.  We urgently need more opposition parties in parliament to act like a foreign media and force the stubborn worms out of pap.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Since we know that one party system bred non transparency and accountability.  We urgently need more opposition parties in parliament to act like a foreign media and force the stubborn worms out of pap.</p>
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		<title>By: Sin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Mar 2009 13:35:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What a question, and it simply show how arrogant the PAP has become. It has taken all of us singaporean for granted, because it knows that singaporean are so obedient that noone would dare to question what they do.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What a question, and it simply show how arrogant the PAP has become. It has taken all of us singaporean for granted, because it knows that singaporean are so obedient that noone would dare to question what they do.</p>
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