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- What active participation is Seelan expecting?

(i) Viewing this forum and what the speakers have spoken apparently does not show there is a real active participation. To me, it appears to be just slews of criticisms, complains and complains of most of the policies that the government has come out with. Is there nothing that have been done that has been acceptable? Views have to be balanced and not skewed towards one side.

(ii) What suicidal effect is there to spend more for the defence budget?
Singapore making cluster bombs, landmines? Is this factual? what IF this is true?

(iii) Promote understanding and co-operation – what makes Seelan think that there no work or effort done on this in parallel on this by the government

(iv) Defence budget 14 times more than public diplomacy: what is the problem with this. In times of such uncertainties, it is essential to have a strong defence system while improving the relationships witht he neighbouring countries.

- Leong Sze Hian – appears to has, in his speech, only complains about the various policies ranging from the HDB policies, annuity policies, umemployment schemes, etc.. to help citizens during this difficult period. What alternate views/recommendations does he has to offer. None basically.

- The only speakers who provided alternatives and suggestion was Tan Kin Lian, and Ravi (albeit non conrete).

- CSJ reiterates that
(i) unemployment insurance is worthwhile initiative to explore? what about it? People in other countries take up their own umemployment insurance if they have mortgages, et.c.. to pay.. what suggestions does he has?

(ii) there should be a minimum wage – what should this be? no recommendation? if the government does eventually set one, will CSJ and the opposition again beat it down?

There appear to be not much substance in his speech. CSJ mentions that there are so many good ideas? what are they? and that there are no political means to put this forward – what are the WP in parliament doing? sleeping?

GIC & Temasek – is he claiming that he would have been able to do better? how? Talk is cheap. Profilic speaker according to “huminized bak kut teh”. I beg to differ. It is always easier to make comments after it has happened. Does CSJ have any recommendation for the next 5-10 years on what and how Singapore should do to move forward? besides of his continual fight for democracy? What is CSJ’s definition ofdemocracy? like what the Americans have?

CSJ has then highlighted 2 concerns – (i) Transparency and accountability in the government’s accumulation, investment and use of our reserve. – what is CSJ expecting. What means transparency and accountability to him. CSJ should be more specific and not put in in such vague terms (ii) the need to address structural defects in the way the government manages our economy – big words? what are the structural defects…. that CSJ claims to be able to see. Why not share these?

Ng E-Jay was providing quite a bit of data? and then what? There is no recommendation from him during this speech. With regards to the investments, what does he suggest? how would he has done better?

I wonder what the people who organized this forum felt they have achieved. As you have rightly indicated – “there was no opportunity for the speakers to debate and exchange views or draw up a comprehensive alternative policy at the gathering.” Just talk?

I saw in the other photos – 2 slides “My Preference” and “A Proper Alternative and True Option”

The title of the forum “The financial crises prove Reform is necessary in S’pore” – how and what are they proving. Was this substantiated in this forum?

Isa is providing useful tips on what the alternatives should do… if you want to do something, do it properly and well, not substandard.

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I hope they put Ego aside and be the true leaders for the people.
It would take at least an extreme effort to win just 1 more seat given the circumstances – mentality, age of nation and .

1 step at a time. ;)

Imagine what they could create by becoming one party:
1) A Party building that houses the party and have auditorium for public to come.
2) Political donations by supporters will be 33% of the public (assuming the votes are correct), versus 10% for WP, 10% for SDP etc.
3) Pooled funding that contributes towards means more efficient use of limited resources like central admin, central think tank, research analysts, etc etc.
4) A central think-tank to discuss and set policies with a structure similar to a running govt. Much like a shadow govt with shadow minister for labour, transport, housing, finance etc. You need to identify and groom able candidates to do one specialisation first.
5) One Party, One Identity, One Set of Core Values. This is not something that a disparate of wanna-be leaders of opposition can offer now.

Funding/Resources:-
1) As present, the alternatives are already seen as loose sand. Their resources are limited. What if they could pool the collective resources of 33% of the singaporeans who supported them instead of dividing that 33% into different factions (WP, SDP, etc etc).. No wonder they don’t have enough resources. Take a leaf from CityHarvest. You mean that Pastor Kong got all the resources in the world when he led? He started out in a old shophouse in McKenzie Road but he was a charismatic leader, he engage people to do branding, appeal to the target group, marketing was done, donation collected to build the church of god… etc etc.. all these form humble beginnings.

2) Again, if the different factions cannot see past their own agenda and realised that giving up control of their parties to one leader is a good move. Then you have to consider whether they are doing it for the countries or to stroke their personal ego.

3) I stress that unless they can get united into 1 party and not a coalition. They don’t stand a chance against PAP. SO, the alternative leaders must now meet and be frank among themselves and lower their own pride and truly vote for someone who can lead them.

4) Election has always been PAP versus the rest… and the rest don’t stand a chance if some supporters like SDP , some like WP.. If there is only 1 Alternative party, the 33% supporter can only choose PAP or Alternative .. and your votes won’t be split that much.

i feel that since politics is a serious career. To have any future the alternatives who aspire to lead one day must do more. Small speeches here and there has no big impact. Its a good attempt but hope to see more. This is a career they will have to fight extremely hard to win. Time may or may not be running out. Can people wait for another 5 more years?

I suppose if I was thinking of any of them being an MP they definitely have to give better standards.

But the whole point is if these people want to lead, then I would think there should be more effort and seriousness put into it.

Please go and attend a PAP forum and you will know what I mean.
Everyone is serious about it.
The MP will give a speech and it is prepared. By who, we dont know, but nevertheless, it is prepared and is well articulated by the MPs (most of them anyway. Some are like our alternatives here..hee…haa…horr..uhmmm…)

And we’ve got a Dr. Chee fan…it’s quite obvious there. Just a random comment here, don’t take offense to anything.

Oh yea….I also think the recording was pretty bad….but then thinking about their budget and the number of people expected there, it’s forgivable. It’s not like I watch movies on youtube.

See.. simple details like that also cannot take care of.

i think if you want to do something (i.e. a budget forum), you do it because you want to, and not to show people something. the society need less of pretentious symbolism, and more of genuine and real effort.

A true politician with world class level of intellectual ability, in my view.
Don’t just take my words for it.
Listen and decide.

no nonsense , straight to the point. this is what i like about him.

:)