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		<title>By: Wilmington de real estate</title>
		<link>http://theonlinecitizen.com/2009/03/toc-editorial-a-bad-law-just-got-worse/comment-page-1/#comment-204258</link>
		<dc:creator>Wilmington de real estate</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 May 2011 04:27:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: TOC &#8211; a community of Singaporeans &#124; The Online Citizen</title>
		<link>http://theonlinecitizen.com/2009/03/toc-editorial-a-bad-law-just-got-worse/comment-page-1/#comment-124168</link>
		<dc:creator>TOC &#8211; a community of Singaporeans &#124; The Online Citizen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Dec 2009 16:51:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] and blogosphere; against the Marxist Conspiracy and the continued relevance of the ISA; against the Film’s Act; for Siew Kum Hong – for him to be kept in parliament; against the Public Order Bill and the [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] and blogosphere; against the Marxist Conspiracy and the continued relevance of the ISA; against the Film’s Act; for Siew Kum Hong – for him to be kept in parliament; against the Public Order Bill and the [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Rainnix</title>
		<link>http://theonlinecitizen.com/2009/03/toc-editorial-a-bad-law-just-got-worse/comment-page-1/#comment-59303</link>
		<dc:creator>Rainnix</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Mar 2009 09:32:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mr Choo Zheng Xi and gang of bloggers 13 was played out by the government. I&#039;m sorry for the amount of time and effort wasted. Government is never interested in liberalizing the political media in Singapore. Gathering feedback from you guys are just a (wayang) motion only.

You can never choose how the policies are made here, history had told us that. The only thing you can choose is where you mark the &quot;cross&quot; when the time comes. When there is enough opposition in there, then start to give suggestions.

I remember a certain old man said some time ago, &quot;what you need is a dose of incompetent government.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mr Choo Zheng Xi and gang of bloggers 13 was played out by the government. I&#8217;m sorry for the amount of time and effort wasted. Government is never interested in liberalizing the political media in Singapore. Gathering feedback from you guys are just a (wayang) motion only.</p>
<p>You can never choose how the policies are made here, history had told us that. The only thing you can choose is where you mark the &#8220;cross&#8221; when the time comes. When there is enough opposition in there, then start to give suggestions.</p>
<p>I remember a certain old man said some time ago, &#8220;what you need is a dose of incompetent government.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Peter Sellers</title>
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		<dc:creator>Peter Sellers</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Mar 2009 09:45:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Disgusting.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Disgusting.</p>
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		<title>By: hopeless</title>
		<link>http://theonlinecitizen.com/2009/03/toc-editorial-a-bad-law-just-got-worse/comment-page-1/#comment-58879</link>
		<dc:creator>hopeless</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Mar 2009 12:32:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There is no law in singapore. If there is, it is used most of the time to serve the regime own interest. No wonder if you are assaulted and report to Police, they will tell you they cannot do anything about it because it doesn&#039;t bring in profit to them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There is no law in singapore. If there is, it is used most of the time to serve the regime own interest. No wonder if you are assaulted and report to Police, they will tell you they cannot do anything about it because it doesn&#8217;t bring in profit to them.</p>
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		<title>By: Hello Mr Choo/TOC</title>
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		<dc:creator>Hello Mr Choo/TOC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Mar 2009 10:08:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Correction:

should be FOUNDED.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Correction:</p>
<p>should be FOUNDED.</p>
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		<title>By: Hello Mr Choo/TOC</title>
		<link>http://theonlinecitizen.com/2009/03/toc-editorial-a-bad-law-just-got-worse/comment-page-1/#comment-58865</link>
		<dc:creator>Hello Mr Choo/TOC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Mar 2009 10:07:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>How about TOC/Mr Choo getting AIMS Chairman Cheong Yip Seng &amp;/or Professor Tan Cheng Han (Dy Chairman) to comment on this legislation?

About two months or so ago, Mr Cheong was reported to have said that he encountered a lot of negativism (&amp; cynicism?) from those he met about the govt&#039;s consultation process under AIMS.

Well Mr Cheong, you can now see that such negativism/cynicism is well justified and foundered.

Incidentally, if Mr Tan Kin Lian is reading this, as he had used the term &quot;negativism&quot; or its other form, he should wake up to the reality.

As to (# 29) can you handle the truth), it is NOT about whether the Bill would be passed; it is about PRINCIPLED STAND of Opposition MPs. Even NMP Siew Kum Hong specially request that the Speaker officially record of his vote AGAINST the bill.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How about TOC/Mr Choo getting AIMS Chairman Cheong Yip Seng &amp;/or Professor Tan Cheng Han (Dy Chairman) to comment on this legislation?</p>
<p>About two months or so ago, Mr Cheong was reported to have said that he encountered a lot of negativism (&amp; cynicism?) from those he met about the govt&#8217;s consultation process under AIMS.</p>
<p>Well Mr Cheong, you can now see that such negativism/cynicism is well justified and foundered.</p>
<p>Incidentally, if Mr Tan Kin Lian is reading this, as he had used the term &#8220;negativism&#8221; or its other form, he should wake up to the reality.</p>
<p>As to (# 29) can you handle the truth), it is NOT about whether the Bill would be passed; it is about PRINCIPLED STAND of Opposition MPs. Even NMP Siew Kum Hong specially request that the Speaker officially record of his vote AGAINST the bill.</p>
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		<title>By: caught in a hail of bullets</title>
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		<dc:creator>caught in a hail of bullets</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Mar 2009 04:56:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The word &quot;liberalization&quot; do not belong in the govt.&#039;s vocab. It do not know its meaning.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The word &#8220;liberalization&#8221; do not belong in the govt.&#8217;s vocab. It do not know its meaning.</p>
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		<title>By: can you handle the truth</title>
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		<dc:creator>can you handle the truth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Mar 2009 04:47:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>12) Kembala on March 24th, 2009 11.19 am 

There are 83 elites there.
3 alternatives.
80 the rest.

80 vs 3.

Is there ever a bill not passed ?
Can 3 ever block a Bill, any bill?

So fortunate for the people they allow voting to pass bills. What a meaningful exercise.
What is the % of bills passed vs the bills not passed , if any , in the last 4 decades?
i bet no one here knows. prove me wrong.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>12) Kembala on March 24th, 2009 11.19 am </p>
<p>There are 83 elites there.<br />
3 alternatives.<br />
80 the rest.</p>
<p>80 vs 3.</p>
<p>Is there ever a bill not passed ?<br />
Can 3 ever block a Bill, any bill?</p>
<p>So fortunate for the people they allow voting to pass bills. What a meaningful exercise.<br />
What is the % of bills passed vs the bills not passed , if any , in the last 4 decades?<br />
i bet no one here knows. prove me wrong.</p>
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		<title>By: the Kent Ridge Common &#124; Film Acts Amendment</title>
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		<dc:creator>the Kent Ridge Common &#124; Film Acts Amendment</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Mar 2009 16:46:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Zheng Xi</title>
		<link>http://theonlinecitizen.com/2009/03/toc-editorial-a-bad-law-just-got-worse/comment-page-1/#comment-58735</link>
		<dc:creator>Zheng Xi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Mar 2009 14:47:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Soojen,

I&#039;ll be very interested in receiving the paper you spoke of. Thank you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Soojen,</p>
<p>I&#8217;ll be very interested in receiving the paper you spoke of. Thank you.</p>
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		<title>By: Lepoard skin never ...</title>
		<link>http://theonlinecitizen.com/2009/03/toc-editorial-a-bad-law-just-got-worse/comment-page-1/#comment-58722</link>
		<dc:creator>Lepoard skin never ...</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Mar 2009 14:07:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hahaha, TOC learnt something i hope. Mature faster.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hahaha, TOC learnt something i hope. Mature faster.</p>
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		<title>By: Whitley-gate</title>
		<link>http://theonlinecitizen.com/2009/03/toc-editorial-a-bad-law-just-got-worse/comment-page-1/#comment-58720</link>
		<dc:creator>Whitley-gate</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Mar 2009 14:05:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I m sorry to say many of you are naive and blind.

You have to be very very smart and alert, perhaps even cunning next time - dont ever, ever participate in public consultation kind of events that are set up by the gahmen.

I m sorry to say, again, long ago I already knew whats the gahmen&#039;s ulterior motives are for when they set up public consultations to engage the public - they pretend to listen, then learnt from what you have to say, and then so to speak, back-stab you, thats all simple as that !!!

Remember this saying &quot;SILENCE IS GOLDEN&quot; . Never reveal to the gahmen what your thought are at any time. They will bite you, silly.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I m sorry to say many of you are naive and blind.</p>
<p>You have to be very very smart and alert, perhaps even cunning next time &#8211; dont ever, ever participate in public consultation kind of events that are set up by the gahmen.</p>
<p>I m sorry to say, again, long ago I already knew whats the gahmen&#8217;s ulterior motives are for when they set up public consultations to engage the public &#8211; they pretend to listen, then learnt from what you have to say, and then so to speak, back-stab you, thats all simple as that !!!</p>
<p>Remember this saying &#8220;SILENCE IS GOLDEN&#8221; . Never reveal to the gahmen what your thought are at any time. They will bite you, silly.</p>
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		<title>By: What do Singaporeans expect?</title>
		<link>http://theonlinecitizen.com/2009/03/toc-editorial-a-bad-law-just-got-worse/comment-page-1/#comment-58706</link>
		<dc:creator>What do Singaporeans expect?</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Mar 2009 12:34:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Incidentally, if I did not get it wrong, NCMP Sylvia Lim &amp; NMP Prof This must have voted FOR the enactment of the subject legislation into law with ONLY NMP Siew Kum Hong voting against it.

How disappointing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Incidentally, if I did not get it wrong, NCMP Sylvia Lim &amp; NMP Prof This must have voted FOR the enactment of the subject legislation into law with ONLY NMP Siew Kum Hong voting against it.</p>
<p>How disappointing.</p>
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		<title>By: What do Singaporeans expect?</title>
		<link>http://theonlinecitizen.com/2009/03/toc-editorial-a-bad-law-just-got-worse/comment-page-1/#comment-58705</link>
		<dc:creator>What do Singaporeans expect?</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Mar 2009 12:32:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mr Choo used the word &quot;CHARADE&quot;.

Exactly, almost every thing which threatens their grip of power, will be forcefully put down through &quot;blatant abuse of the privilege of law making&quot;, but of course there would first be a &quot;CHARADE&quot;, hopefully to fool the gullible ones.

This has been going on for a long long time which of course includes the amendment to the Constitution.

As people have mentioned, MM Lee&#039;s talk about &quot;credible people&quot; is just another smokescreen to lull the gullible into false expectation about change/liberalisation.

By the way, Cheong Yip Seng was the editor-in-chief of the SPH group of newspapers who chaired the AIMS Committee.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mr Choo used the word &#8220;CHARADE&#8221;.</p>
<p>Exactly, almost every thing which threatens their grip of power, will be forcefully put down through &#8220;blatant abuse of the privilege of law making&#8221;, but of course there would first be a &#8220;CHARADE&#8221;, hopefully to fool the gullible ones.</p>
<p>This has been going on for a long long time which of course includes the amendment to the Constitution.</p>
<p>As people have mentioned, MM Lee&#8217;s talk about &#8220;credible people&#8221; is just another smokescreen to lull the gullible into false expectation about change/liberalisation.</p>
<p>By the way, Cheong Yip Seng was the editor-in-chief of the SPH group of newspapers who chaired the AIMS Committee.</p>
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		<title>By: What do Singaporeans expect?</title>
		<link>http://theonlinecitizen.com/2009/03/toc-editorial-a-bad-law-just-got-worse/comment-page-1/#comment-58704</link>
		<dc:creator>What do Singaporeans expect?</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Mar 2009 12:31:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mr Choo used the word &quot;CHARADE&quot;.

Exactly, almost every thing which threatens their grip of power, will be forcefully put down through &quot;blatant abuse of the privilege of law making&quot;.

This has been going on for a long long time which of course includes the amendment to the Constitution.

As people have mentioned, MM Lee&#039;s talk about &quot;credible people&quot; is just another smokescreen to lull the gullible into false expectation about change/liberalisation.

By the way, Cheong Yip Seng was the editor-in-chief of the SPH group of newspapers who chaired the AIMS Committee.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mr Choo used the word &#8220;CHARADE&#8221;.</p>
<p>Exactly, almost every thing which threatens their grip of power, will be forcefully put down through &#8220;blatant abuse of the privilege of law making&#8221;.</p>
<p>This has been going on for a long long time which of course includes the amendment to the Constitution.</p>
<p>As people have mentioned, MM Lee&#8217;s talk about &#8220;credible people&#8221; is just another smokescreen to lull the gullible into false expectation about change/liberalisation.</p>
<p>By the way, Cheong Yip Seng was the editor-in-chief of the SPH group of newspapers who chaired the AIMS Committee.</p>
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		<title>By: Victim Of PAP's Tyranny</title>
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		<dc:creator>Victim Of PAP's Tyranny</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Mar 2009 12:10:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Singapore where got law...the law is PAP and PAP is the law mah... what to do, Singaporeans not like Taiwanese or HongKongers, can throw rotten eggs and banana at a government they so despised and hated!

What about throwing shoes at...?????

Sad day, next election, die die also must vote for opposition, just for the sake of opposing, since PAP not longer respect citizens like us and want to make us go on our knees...

Anyway, I always believe in retribution, and one day, all the PAP tyrants will get what they deserved a thousand times!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Singapore where got law&#8230;the law is PAP and PAP is the law mah&#8230; what to do, Singaporeans not like Taiwanese or HongKongers, can throw rotten eggs and banana at a government they so despised and hated!</p>
<p>What about throwing shoes at&#8230;?????</p>
<p>Sad day, next election, die die also must vote for opposition, just for the sake of opposing, since PAP not longer respect citizens like us and want to make us go on our knees&#8230;</p>
<p>Anyway, I always believe in retribution, and one day, all the PAP tyrants will get what they deserved a thousand times!!</p>
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		<title>By: Welcome to the real world in Singapore</title>
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		<dc:creator>Welcome to the real world in Singapore</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Mar 2009 08:27:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Committee of bloggers - thank you for trying. SM started the &quot;open&quot; talk ,,,,,, then as always the play is over,,,,,,and you need to go home.
Remember what Mao Tse Tung said about power - read the red book.

BTW , SOOJENN - can you pl tell us more about the coming &quot;Cambridge Distinguished Lecture&quot; on the global crisis; the abstract is also useful. TQ</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Committee of bloggers &#8211; thank you for trying. SM started the &#8220;open&#8221; talk ,,,,,, then as always the play is over,,,,,,and you need to go home.<br />
Remember what Mao Tse Tung said about power &#8211; read the red book.</p>
<p>BTW , SOOJENN &#8211; can you pl tell us more about the coming &#8220;Cambridge Distinguished Lecture&#8221; on the global crisis; the abstract is also useful. TQ</p>
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		<title>By: gtweoup</title>
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		<dc:creator>gtweoup</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Mar 2009 08:20:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Soojenn is right. Pls dont put the blogger 13 on a pedestal.  It doesnt become them. We all know it is at best only a very small percentage of bloggers. And they certainly cannot claim to represent the entire blogosphere.There is only so much you can do with 0.0001%.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Soojenn is right. Pls dont put the blogger 13 on a pedestal.  It doesnt become them. We all know it is at best only a very small percentage of bloggers. And they certainly cannot claim to represent the entire blogosphere.There is only so much you can do with 0.0001%.</p>
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		<title>By: soojenn</title>
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		<dc:creator>soojenn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Mar 2009 06:02:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Zheng Xi, come on, do you think the government or AIMS for that matter gives a sh..t about what you or Bloggers 13 recommend. You are giving too much credit to yourself. You have not reached the level of &quot;tameness&quot; and &quot;ideaology&quot; to be a useful source of recommendation... what their expectations can be perceived in how the young PAP behaves.. just look at how At Teo responds when asked about his trip to China.

&quot;We were pleasantly surprised at the receptiveness of the committee headed by ex Singapore Press Holdings (SPH) chairperson Cheong Yip Seng and Tan Cheng Han SC, who made bona fide efforts to engage bloggers when crafting AIMS’ recommendations to the government. Over more than a year, dialogues, debates, press conferences were held to plot a direction towards liberalization.&quot;

Are you really serious...? this is not the first time that such government consultations have been &quot;receptive&quot; but finally ends with no changes affecting their status quo, or issues critical to them being implemented.  The governement has made &quot;efforts?&quot; to consult the people, including overseas Singaporean on how make changes.  However, these are probably in the guise of engaging the people?  If the ideas are the same, good.  If not, then heck with it as can be seen also in this case.

By the way, one of our &quot;great&quot; million dollar minister is giving a &quot;distinguished&quot; lecture at Cambridge on the global crisis? on the scr..w ups or how brilliantly Singapore handled this?  I can send you the abstract of his &quot;distinguished&quot; speech.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Zheng Xi, come on, do you think the government or AIMS for that matter gives a sh..t about what you or Bloggers 13 recommend. You are giving too much credit to yourself. You have not reached the level of &#8220;tameness&#8221; and &#8220;ideaology&#8221; to be a useful source of recommendation&#8230; what their expectations can be perceived in how the young PAP behaves.. just look at how At Teo responds when asked about his trip to China.</p>
<p>&#8220;We were pleasantly surprised at the receptiveness of the committee headed by ex Singapore Press Holdings (SPH) chairperson Cheong Yip Seng and Tan Cheng Han SC, who made bona fide efforts to engage bloggers when crafting AIMS’ recommendations to the government. Over more than a year, dialogues, debates, press conferences were held to plot a direction towards liberalization.&#8221;</p>
<p>Are you really serious&#8230;? this is not the first time that such government consultations have been &#8220;receptive&#8221; but finally ends with no changes affecting their status quo, or issues critical to them being implemented.  The governement has made &#8220;efforts?&#8221; to consult the people, including overseas Singaporean on how make changes.  However, these are probably in the guise of engaging the people?  If the ideas are the same, good.  If not, then heck with it as can be seen also in this case.</p>
<p>By the way, one of our &#8220;great&#8221; million dollar minister is giving a &#8220;distinguished&#8221; lecture at Cambridge on the global crisis? on the scr..w ups or how brilliantly Singapore handled this?  I can send you the abstract of his &#8220;distinguished&#8221; speech.</p>
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