They should do a skit on Saturday Night Live. They provide much needed comic relief in this economic doom and gloom

I have been wanting to watch this press conference. All the reporting of it cannot do justice.

Video 3, 7:17

“This is a women’s organisation, we should concentrate on the position of women, ofcos when we interact, let’s say you organsize a forum on the dicrismination in a place of work, you certainly would like to have men to participate but you don’t need to push that everything we do it must be in the objectives,

now, if it’s in the objectives, if when it is lesbianism that you want to encourage then you form a separate company, er separate organisation

and if the men want to push the homosexual agenda, they can form their own organisation but leave the women, 50% of the population of Singapore and we interested in advancing the cause of women in the political econmical socialist spheres…”

She wants straight women only … lesbian’s have to go form their own group.

This is how you make enemies. Ms Thio, and God says love your enemies. Tsk tsk.

The new AWARE is certainly self serving ..why? Becos they are afraid that their children become a lesbian generation? Booooo

Hmm if Singapore had a lesbian MP who pushed for transparency, accountability and mininum wage, I wouldn’t care about her sexual orientation …i care about what she can contribute to society.

What is Straits Times role?
How many of their editors are gays or advocates of gay rights?
Or has ST also adopted the “Don’t ask, don’t tell” position won by the gay rights movement in the USA.
ST should be reminded that this Is Singapore, in Asia.

it is alarming how dr thio is bent on using the slant of homosexuality to beat up the old guards. and her many examples of homosexuality in europe and us to instill fear in the public medium about gays and lesbianism.

it is evident from this video that josie is driven by anger, and no substance

whist dr thio is very very intelligent and manipulative with her speech delivery

Thank you for the videos. It shows the big contrast in maturity (or at least PR skills) between the old Exco and the new Exco.

See http://we-are-aware.sg/ for the old Exco’s press conference.

I hope her law degrees and the many high posts Ms Thio has held is accredited in heaven.

Hell might be a preferable place to spend eternity in, if heaven means keeping company with this ilk.

Visceral disgust.

Every stereotype of angry, shrill, emotional, crazy women is played out in this video. The only calm one is the Thio-mentor, but she doesnt offer anything beyond smugness, self-regard, and an openly domineering and controlling personality. Incompetence and incoherence is one thing but breaking the cardinal rule of attacking the press itself at a press conference – no dears, you NEVER do that, NO MATTER WHAT your grievances- I have no words really. These are high fliers in the corporate world? Their employers should cringe.

There was another video on youtube of the sunday service at COOS. several men laid their hands on Alan Chin and mumbled mumbo-jumbo. Was that speaking in tongues? I really wouldnt want my physician or legal advisor be spending his weekend speaking in tongue, makes me worry for his overall mental stability.

Mirax, now you’re being mischievous in suggesting to others that they should not use Alan Chin or Thio’s services.

While the new team display lack of PR ability the old team isn’t behaving like saints themselves; and worst of the handful of supporters. They way they mock Thio in their video conference puts off a fair bit of people too..

Why can you the two teams talk in a civilized manner?

Danny, my text and formatting makes it ultra-clear I am stating MY OWN reservations, and obviously people like you appear not to be perturbed by these odd behaviours. Pay a bit more attention, please.

When one self-appoints herself as Feminist Mentor , when one so gracelessly ‘insults the thinking public as ignorant people, offering her unasked for services as ‘instructor’, when she plonks herself in the public eye after wantonly damaging one of our longstanding and outstanding civic organisations, she need not not be spared any ridicule. In fact the Witch-Finder General (should it be Gay-Finder General?) is getting off lightly with ridicule.

if any other less connected religious person, say a hindu or muslim or catholic, had attempted even a fraction of what she has done so far, they would be detained under the ISA. Remember the ‘marxist conspirators’ of the catholic church who were helping domestic workers in the 80’s?

Hmm…..

anyone got an audio splitter? i am hearing a faint hint of (wadever) song in the background…. in most of the clips

clip number 3, at about 4:20 minute, its quite loud.
clip number 6, the song starts somewhere at 2:31 minute. ends somewhere at 5:52 minute.
clip number 7, some words of the song is quie loud. from 7:10- 7:30 minute, then Moreen’s voice overwhelmed it.

o.O

*clips number 1, 2, 4 never hear

Someone should tell that Maureen Ng to keep quiet and let the president speak. Did you see her snatch the mic away from Josie? Good lord! That’s such a stupid thing to do.

If a question is directed at Josie, please let Josie speak.

Maureen Ng is making Josie look bad, very bad indeed – here in this press conference and also in Talking Point.

re post 13) ST Observer on April 29th, 2009 12.33 pm

maybe Moreen wanted to be the president that badly, but Josie was the more “qualified” wan? lol….. -.-

action akin to grabbing the leadership (Josie, get the hint?), even if the new team does takeover. itself oso got internal strife.

then they can have a new motto “a fight for women, among women!”… -.-”

Yes, I notice that Maureen has the tendency to interject when Josie speaks or will elaborate on what Josie has spoken or elucidate on what Josie has not spoken.

The whole idea that they dont know each other before joining aware and that Josie was the last woman standing who stepped up to the plate to assume leadership is load of bull. They obviously responded to a rallying call by their female prophet cum feminist mentor and there is no denying that that they had an agenda. And what is so apparent from the press conference, that agenda is so anti-lesbian.

So to all the lesbians out there, if you have problems, confess your sexuality and be damned. The minute you do, they will say we understand your pain and will counsel you so as to turn you into men-loving, pro-family reproductive female that you shd be. Is that a noble cause? Is it what a secular organisation shd be doing? If they do that, they have then become the extension of the Church ministry.

actually from the clips, the way josie slouched on her chair most of the time, the downcast eyes and facial expression gives a “what shit have i gotten myself into?” look

i have got this feeling half the time she was in her own world and not the press conference.

clues that the new Exco cannot even stand united…

btw, can anyone tell me i am hearing things? with referance to post #12)? like 1 same song keeps repeatedly played throughtout most of the clips.

To 12) mice is nice on April 29th, 2009 11.57 am

I think there’s a better quality version on youtube link here
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MkL5ThktIYQ&feature=channel_page

re post #18) Doublespeak on April 29th, 2009 3.50 pm

thanks but that clip got no song leh?… -.-

nevermind, maybe i am hearing things? heh… o.O

*no, i dun need their counselling session!! -.-”

One word.
Wayang.

One phrase.
Unawarely digging one’s own grave.

Main objectives of the press / news conference

1. To show one’s human “I am just an ordinary citizen out to help women, ergo I do not deserve this treatment” side (which is not gay, btw, but straight-forward yet word choice is laced with unbridled emotions).

2. To accuse all those bad ones who sinned (?) against us – we are only following what is right (?) – why can’t people see that? What is happening to our society? Sob.

3. To glorify oneself with one’s achievement – especially with the copious use of the ‘I’ pronoun. (followed by detailed examples of irrelevance)

4. To show the collected incompetence (in terms of the grasp of the English Language as well as EQ and AQ), thus UnAwareness.

“I find to my dismay that AWARE seems to be ONLY very interested on lesbianism and the advancement of homosexuality which is a men’s issue and how it came under AWARE is quite covert.” (Thio Su Min) = -_-” Only the blind,deaf and dumb can see the extent of stupidity here.

“Why?” = Why not?

“I don’t understand!” = Are the borders of your mind so tightly guarded by barbed wire that one is unable to comprehend the delicate cerebral workings of the homosapien ;) or subtle nuances of life? A reasonably intellectual discussion needs the allowance of associated issues in order to form a more holistic and thus fairer picture.

The Old Guard need not lift a single finger in order to see the New Guard’s ship sink. As they sail away after leaving a trail of destruction, they move towards greener pastures or bluer oceans in this case and will soon find that A) they are unprepared for the storm ahead B) they do not have the appropriate talents on board to steer / run the ship C) little or no real experience or knowledge of the sea D) little or no survival skills except that of panicking and self-deception.

I was still watching the videos on Channelnewsasia last night, but i cannot seem to find it today to show another friend. Am I being overly suspicious or CNA is under certain pressure to remove the full version of the press conference?

i pity the cna journalist. carry e mike here and there. very tiring.

Mop said: ” it is evident from this video that josie is driven by anger, and no substance, whist dr thio is very very intelligent and manipulative with her speech delivery”

Star Wars, anyone? Doesn’t this remind you of how Senator Palpatine, working deep in the shadows, and with silken words, manipulated and encouraged the young Anakin Skywalker to embrace his anger and hatred… thus giving the world Darth Vader! Who then went on a crusade across the galaxy with his moral Stormtroopers, wiping out the peace-loving, tolerant and honorable Jedi, and submitting the galaxy to brutal imperial rule.

I wonder if our Darth Vader will wake up her idea and be redeemed one day, when she realises that she has a son who is gay, oops i mean Jedi.

It seems that all the commentators here have one common trait that is to bash the christians. Mirax and modernist have no kind words except some vulgarities. They are like watching porno video cringing or drooling at the sight of an exciting scene.
mirax seems to be very obsessed and at the same time perturbed culminating in a orgasm and that is what she gets out of watching the video. To both of you I recommend that you watch the live show this Saturday. Come equiped with a camera so that you can watch it in the privacy of bedroom whenever you need it.

Peace: I reiterate again. i have no problem with christianity. I have so many christian friends and I love them. My comments here are to show my objection to religious organisation infiltrating and encroaching on a secular organisation. In the latest email circulated amongst members of the church, they call it “a spiritual and moral battle for the control of a secular organisation that has been used by the liberals and gays to fight for homosexual rights in Spore.” That sounds like a crusade to me and even an admission of infiltration of a secular organisation. And I dont give a damn about what gays do or whetehr AWARE is promoting gay lifestyle (of which they are not).

see: http://sgblogs.com/blog/singapore-daily-singaporedaily/2811

I am an avid secularist as you know from my posts and my views reflect my belief. If this had been a buddhist or hindu organisation hijacking AWARE , I can assure you my position would be no different. So, chill. It’s nothing personal. I love you too, bro.

this new Exco really does know how to create a rift in our society. mobilise people to take sides.

i have no idea how a group of hostile people who lied repeatedly can be seen as leaders? lol.

maybe some here even think the 9/11 in USA is a justified course of action? … by any means necessary? o.O

It’s like saying: “Homosexuality is wrong and it’s a sin, let’s change them back to being straight ….and I’m just doing God’s work.”

It’s like also saying: “I want to purify the world, so I set infidels on fire ..and I’m just doing God’s work”

So I guess Jesus was the one who said ..if you feel like it ..cast that first stone ..no problem ..it’s God’s work eh?

This is the same as using God’s name to do things that hurt peoples feelings. Sometimes need to think first about others before you do something even if the bible said it. I think got gave us a brain so that we can utilised it to it’s fullest and bestest.

And both of you cry (Aware & that Jihadist) , “oh why me?! why am I being threathen…why are you causing hurt to me ?!” …DUH?!

The world is changing ..and this is God’s work. You have to learn to accept those who are different and love them as they are. And that’s God’s test to you.

Oh …i’m Christian too….and still a sinner.

The newcomers have no EQ and no communication skill. Instead of reaching out to people they turn their faith into walls that cut themselves off from the world they claim to love.

They live with the Old Testament mindset instead of the New Testament era,

They are a bunch of gangsters and bullies with very little EQ comparable to some children in our society. What more can we say? evidences are right in front of us when they made laughing stock of themselves in front of the media.

Questions for the new ex-co:
1. Are the appointed law firm and PR agency working pro bono?

2. If not, who is bearing the costs? Bearing in mind Aware is a non-profit organisation

3. As new members of Aware, what do they know about feminism and how to advance women’s rights when old staff have been fired and advice from veterans have been disregarded

where ever its held, women please remember, go to the toilets in groups, pairs not safe enough.

if they can justify their hostile takeover (of Aware), they can be hostile anywhere!!

worse that toilets not CCTVs, if kenna bash…. -.-”

women, be careful okie!!…

I’m not sure if it’s right to say that the new EXCO had hijacked AWARE by illegal means, as they got their position thru’ proper voting process. I believe it’s too soon to comment about the unity within the new EXCO, or make comparison against the old, which have more exposure and been in the organization for sometime.

Anyway, to cut short.. it has come to these :-
Old Guard vs New Guard : Equality vs Morality. Equality meaning giving rights to anyone to do what they want (regardless the reason to that decision) or Morality which dictate what is and what’s not.. What’s right and what’s wrong (regardless anyone’s view/ consideration and circumstance to have led to the opposite.)

The question, is there a need to promote or create awareness to individuals/ society about homosexuality? There is no human law against homosexuality, because i believe that society acknowledged the existence of such nature. Similarly in US, what started as promotion and awareness of homosexuality started back in 70s to 90s, had resulted into debate in having legalize the union of same gender (e.g. US, European Countries). Something that may seems insignificant then (promote and awareness) had spark the huge controversial issue on human rights in current world.

In nature’s way to prevent human’s extinction, union of man and woman is a MUST to ensure the next generation continue to exist. These, however, doesn’t apply to our current environment, as science and technology had stepped in to ensure our survival. Although no any sexual intercourse is needed, it still, require the services of a man (semen) and woman (womb).

To conclude, i have no personal issue with homosexuals, however, will have one if homosexuality are promoted as a norm in our society, or its activities encouraged for experimentation in school. Regardless, if which guard (old or new AWARE) left standing, as long as their agenda don’t conflict with the natural order of nature.

Something to ponder :-
1. Homosexuality is having affection, or romantic attractions with same gender (consenting parties). One of frequently raised experience was the pain of being a homosexual, being confused about their sexual orientation, and not being accepted by society.

2. Incest between consenting adults is sexual behavior between adult, blood relatives (which can include parents and adult offspring, siblings, cousins, etc.) that is not coerced or forced in any way. Parties involved also go thru’ difficulties phrase for their affection towards each other, and not being accepted by society. However, incest is illegal and punishable by law. Can read the below :-
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Incest#Between_consenting_adults

If everyone is free to love, why stop at some? This is when the question of morality comes into place… If there’s an incident about consensual incest in Singapore… Even if the their relationship developed out of pure love, and even if it doesn’t harm or hurt anyone…. They will still be incarcerated….. by human laws that primarily created to address morality issue of such nature.