Wind Beneath My Wings is Josie’s new theme for AWARE? Is she ignorant or just plain stupid. What would Bette Midler and her legions of fans say about having a signature song hijacked by these anti-gay bigots?

For a provocative explaination, see http://inspirationfortoday.wordpress.com/

the simple answer to womens diversified sexual orientation is not through gay beliefs, practices, or even people. god just happen to create women who like women

For the perusal of the many people who contributed to the discussion:
A poem attributed to Pastor Martin Niemöller about the holocaust.

When the Nazis came for the communists,
I remained silent;
I was not a communist.

Then they locked up the social democrats,
I remained silent;
I was not a social democrat.

Then they came for the trade unionists,
I did not speak out;
I was not a trade unionist.

Then they came for the Jews,
I did not speak out;
I was not a Jew.

When they came for me,
there was no one left to speak out for me.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_they_came…

Good men need only do nothing. And we’re all doomed.

Whereas if they can force their fellow Christians to choose sides, you can bet your last dollar that they will get them willy nilly down to join AWARE and vote. They will call them, arm twist them and bus them down.

Any person who attempts to argue will be demonised as pro-gay and anti-family. With specks of froth foaming at the mouth, they will denounce reason in strident terms and speak of your children being attacked or converted by gays, to scaremonger.

Therefore expect the trolls to continue to paint this as pro-gay/antigay. Some will be be blatant, some will be subtle. You will hear more fantastical utterances of the ficititious gay invasion (will Singapore change its national colour to pink?). The neutrals will be puzzled and disgusted at this open display of homophobia but hey, the fundies are not concerned as to what you think. They never were.

I disagree. This is NOT a pro-gay/ anti-gay issue.

The issue is whether a religious group can sneak into a civic organisation, hijack it and impose their religious views on it. This has serious ramifications for the society we live in. Everyone should understand that.

On top of that, they are just mean and underhanded people.

Oops, my intuition is half-correct. It turns out to be ‘at least one guy and one woman behind them’. By the guy I mean the husband.

http://singsupplies.com/showthread.php?t=26201

Damn it you beat me to it.
“But these arguments are dead wrong. The new exco have had their chance. When? Firstly, right from the time they joined AWARE, they could have shown the AWARE members their positions, their characters and their abilities and most importantly, their views and their criticisms of the existing system. They did not. They kept quiet.”

I would like to add that they knew PRECISELY what to say (i.e. AWARE stands for all women, heterosexual or homosexual) to put the scrutiny to rest but went out of their way to avoid saying it. Proof? There you go.

Joshua Chiang #175

“Being educated doesn’t mean one is immediately capable of critical thinking – correction – I believe most people are capable of critical thinking.
But not everyone is willing to.”

Nice. Couldn’t agree more.

Lockeliberal #190

“…mindless rhetoric and endless words…”

I caught the intro of a creationist dvd once and members of the organization are taught “rhetoric” to “circumnavigate the intelligence” of non-believers. Staggering huh?

And again, at the end of the posts, there is again a sly reference to christians and gays -”How did this evolve to be about fundamentalist christians and the GLBT movement? ”
I have said before and I say this again : this is NOT an issue of christians vs gays – this is a red herring intended to scare neutrals and to galvanise those who might otherwise find their acts distasteful.

Did you not read the other comments before today? I am with you on that this is NOT an issue of christians vs gays but what were is most of the rhetoric and outrage here about? Hate speech on fundies, Hate speech vs homosexuals.

“These are cleverly designed arguments”, “This is an appeal to the innate sense of fair play found in most people.”

Is fair play not important? Forgive me if i would rather not condemn someone before knowing the facts. Of course now that the facts are out with the Thio Su Mien interview. I stand chagrined.

“Classic tactic – gloss over the matter (after the deed has been done)”

Hindsight is 20/20. Without full knowledge of the facts of the AWARE, i would have thought the restriction of civil liberty for all citizens, the roles and responsibilities of govt agencies and the questionable decisions of the judiciary should take precedence since everything else was speculation.

As i’ve said earlier since i lack prescience, more information is needed before any judgement call can be made.

Since now it’s clear that AWARE’s agenda is mainly anti-GLBT, by all means vote for the old guard at the EOGM.

Thio Su Mien’s agenda of prejudice cannot stand.