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		<title>By: Daniel</title>
		<link>http://theonlinecitizen.com/2009/04/by-the-next-general-elections/comment-page-1/#comment-71855</link>
		<dc:creator>Daniel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 May 2009 08:26:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot; constructive alternative solutions do people have if they were in the shoes of the leaders (putting aside the issue of the minister’s pay - which seems to rile a lot of people.) on issues of employment, the economy etc etc.&quot;

That is the point of linking of minister&#039;s pay to their own policy. If they are paid extremely well, they will just take simple way out and absolve them of any responsibility that jeopardise their pay. If their KPI depends on profitability and GDP then they will optimize their decision and policies for it in their area of responsibility. Have you not seen people who are motivated purely by money and are paid so well that they will try to protect their position and pay at all cost that they push responsibility and mistake to avoid been blame and enter black list book ? 

That is why the main important reason to link on minister&#039;s pay because it create the impetus for them to develop policies and law that safe-guard their regime&#039;s interest and Singapore Inc for which they are in fact the major shareholders not the citizen. Don&#039;t you think that there is something wrong where ministers telling you that Temask and GIC using taxmoney is none of the citizen&#039;s business and that secrecy is good for them amidst unaccountable loss ?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8221; constructive alternative solutions do people have if they were in the shoes of the leaders (putting aside the issue of the minister’s pay &#8211; which seems to rile a lot of people.) on issues of employment, the economy etc etc.&#8221;</p>
<p>That is the point of linking of minister&#8217;s pay to their own policy. If they are paid extremely well, they will just take simple way out and absolve them of any responsibility that jeopardise their pay. If their KPI depends on profitability and GDP then they will optimize their decision and policies for it in their area of responsibility. Have you not seen people who are motivated purely by money and are paid so well that they will try to protect their position and pay at all cost that they push responsibility and mistake to avoid been blame and enter black list book ? </p>
<p>That is why the main important reason to link on minister&#8217;s pay because it create the impetus for them to develop policies and law that safe-guard their regime&#8217;s interest and Singapore Inc for which they are in fact the major shareholders not the citizen. Don&#8217;t you think that there is something wrong where ministers telling you that Temask and GIC using taxmoney is none of the citizen&#8217;s business and that secrecy is good for them amidst unaccountable loss ?</p>
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		<title>By: Singaporean</title>
		<link>http://theonlinecitizen.com/2009/04/by-the-next-general-elections/comment-page-1/#comment-71839</link>
		<dc:creator>Singaporean</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 May 2009 07:57:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>By the time of the next general election, the welcome foreigner to become citizens may probably reach the critical mass mark. At the rate of Singaporeans are migrating and replaced by new citizens, all will be well and rosy for the incumbent govt. You see, MM Lee is very ingenious in social engineering. Not a drop of blood is shed in this renewal and new citizens go home regularly from the various C.Cs, with a goodie bag and a pink IC. By the way, I just saw from news report that Mas Selamat was actually born in Indonesia, I wonder who gave this terrorist his Singapore IC!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>By the time of the next general election, the welcome foreigner to become citizens may probably reach the critical mass mark. At the rate of Singaporeans are migrating and replaced by new citizens, all will be well and rosy for the incumbent govt. You see, MM Lee is very ingenious in social engineering. Not a drop of blood is shed in this renewal and new citizens go home regularly from the various C.Cs, with a goodie bag and a pink IC. By the way, I just saw from news report that Mas Selamat was actually born in Indonesia, I wonder who gave this terrorist his Singapore IC!</p>
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		<title>By: Daniel</title>
		<link>http://theonlinecitizen.com/2009/04/by-the-next-general-elections/comment-page-1/#comment-71838</link>
		<dc:creator>Daniel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 May 2009 07:53:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Please Teo, call a spade a spade,
you are in fact looking for 4th generation LEEDERSHIP. Don&#039;t give the word Leadership a bad name. You are generally looking for like-mind that share PAP&#039;s ideology.

LEEDERSHIP = claim credit in good times, blame others in bad times,  disappear in time of self-made crisis and absolve themselves of accountability and responsibility when their honest mistake and foolishness blow out of proportion. Need ridiculous salary to match corruption. Capable of talking nonsense and bullshit amidst graduating from top university. Give these top universities a bad name. When shit happens, no one is responsible and little people take the rap. Rule by &quot;Shut up&quot;

Leadership = Lead from the front, hand-on and die from the front, not from the back. Respect by the people.

I will not be surprised that book will be written on Leedership after the old man&#039;s demise.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Please Teo, call a spade a spade,<br />
you are in fact looking for 4th generation LEEDERSHIP. Don&#8217;t give the word Leadership a bad name. You are generally looking for like-mind that share PAP&#8217;s ideology.</p>
<p>LEEDERSHIP = claim credit in good times, blame others in bad times,  disappear in time of self-made crisis and absolve themselves of accountability and responsibility when their honest mistake and foolishness blow out of proportion. Need ridiculous salary to match corruption. Capable of talking nonsense and bullshit amidst graduating from top university. Give these top universities a bad name. When shit happens, no one is responsible and little people take the rap. Rule by &#8220;Shut up&#8221;</p>
<p>Leadership = Lead from the front, hand-on and die from the front, not from the back. Respect by the people.</p>
<p>I will not be surprised that book will be written on Leedership after the old man&#8217;s demise.</p>
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		<title>By: Modernist</title>
		<link>http://theonlinecitizen.com/2009/04/by-the-next-general-elections/comment-page-1/#comment-71837</link>
		<dc:creator>Modernist</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 May 2009 07:53:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Lifeobservr: The business of governance is so complex and I dont even dare to try. What more a blue collar worker lah? Have you seen our blue collar workers now? Times have changed lah.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lifeobservr: The business of governance is so complex and I dont even dare to try. What more a blue collar worker lah? Have you seen our blue collar workers now? Times have changed lah.</p>
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		<title>By: Daniel</title>
		<link>http://theonlinecitizen.com/2009/04/by-the-next-general-elections/comment-page-1/#comment-71830</link>
		<dc:creator>Daniel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 May 2009 07:41:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m sure that Zimbabwe (Mugabe), Burma (Thein Sein) and North Korea (Kim Yong Nam) will be there to ensure that there is no freak election. Look like there is going to be another orchid naming for Orchid Mugabe and Orchid YongNam prior to election.

Is the &quot;MOre people&quot; refers to offspring of these dictators since there is longer distinction between foreigners and citizens ?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m sure that Zimbabwe (Mugabe), Burma (Thein Sein) and North Korea (Kim Yong Nam) will be there to ensure that there is no freak election. Look like there is going to be another orchid naming for Orchid Mugabe and Orchid YongNam prior to election.</p>
<p>Is the &#8220;MOre people&#8221; refers to offspring of these dictators since there is longer distinction between foreigners and citizens ?</p>
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		<title>By: Lifeobzervr</title>
		<link>http://theonlinecitizen.com/2009/04/by-the-next-general-elections/comment-page-1/#comment-71827</link>
		<dc:creator>Lifeobzervr</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 May 2009 07:34:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I hope the fourth generation &#039;leaders&#039; wouldn&#039;t come in the form of spastic dancers, tone deaf band musicians and croaking singers... worse... walkabout baby kissers (when there are photographers around) from amongst the scholar class. If that happens, we might as well revert back to the early days of self governance where we have blue collar workers who are more serious to represent the people than &#039;win&#039; that sms &#039;vote&#039; ala Singapore Idol.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I hope the fourth generation &#8216;leaders&#8217; wouldn&#8217;t come in the form of spastic dancers, tone deaf band musicians and croaking singers&#8230; worse&#8230; walkabout baby kissers (when there are photographers around) from amongst the scholar class. If that happens, we might as well revert back to the early days of self governance where we have blue collar workers who are more serious to represent the people than &#8216;win&#8217; that sms &#8216;vote&#8217; ala Singapore Idol.</p>
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		<title>By: gemami</title>
		<link>http://theonlinecitizen.com/2009/04/by-the-next-general-elections/comment-page-1/#comment-71824</link>
		<dc:creator>gemami</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 May 2009 07:27:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To all of you who have been bashing Josie and Co., now is the time to get her on your bandwagon. She is an expert at making sounds disappear. Oppositions, you hear?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To all of you who have been bashing Josie and Co., now is the time to get her on your bandwagon. She is an expert at making sounds disappear. Oppositions, you hear?</p>
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		<title>By: Modernist</title>
		<link>http://theonlinecitizen.com/2009/04/by-the-next-general-elections/comment-page-1/#comment-71823</link>
		<dc:creator>Modernist</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 May 2009 07:25:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I wonder if many of the commentators here have lived abroad and experienced for themselves what life is like as an asian in another country, try autralia or the UK or the US. We see so many people wish to migrate. It is also quite de riguer to villify and condem the leadership, but i really wonder what constructive alternative solutions do people have if they were in the shoes of the leaders (putting aside the issue of the minister&#039;s pay - which seems to rile a lot of people.) on issues of employment, the economy etc etc.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wonder if many of the commentators here have lived abroad and experienced for themselves what life is like as an asian in another country, try autralia or the UK or the US. We see so many people wish to migrate. It is also quite de riguer to villify and condem the leadership, but i really wonder what constructive alternative solutions do people have if they were in the shoes of the leaders (putting aside the issue of the minister&#8217;s pay &#8211; which seems to rile a lot of people.) on issues of employment, the economy etc etc.</p>
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		<title>By: sweettalk</title>
		<link>http://theonlinecitizen.com/2009/04/by-the-next-general-elections/comment-page-1/#comment-71810</link>
		<dc:creator>sweettalk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 May 2009 07:00:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i do hope the 4th GE faces some changes. and SHOW to those arrogant PAP that they will not always win for sure. then they will cry and kiss their fat pig million cheque away. they seems like only know how to talk nicely infront of people but do different things.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i do hope the 4th GE faces some changes. and SHOW to those arrogant PAP that they will not always win for sure. then they will cry and kiss their fat pig million cheque away. they seems like only know how to talk nicely infront of people but do different things.</p>
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		<title>By: Edward</title>
		<link>http://theonlinecitizen.com/2009/04/by-the-next-general-elections/comment-page-1/#comment-60669</link>
		<dc:creator>Edward</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Apr 2009 15:12:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If the PAP loses the next GE, especially a &#039;freak&#039; result, I don&#039;t think LKY would hand over power peacefully. He and his son would fix them oppositon members before they could form the new government. LKY is very ingenious. Just look how Thailand&#039;s elites removed Thaksin and his successors without much bloodshed. The economy may suffer temporary but will recover under the PAP again. LKY had said that if the opposition were  to run the country  the economy will be totally ruined within 5 years. He had also mentioned Chen S B&#039;s poor performance in Taiwan.

Even if the opposition can form the new government, it will be at the mercy of the PAP-controlled President who would deny them access to the reserves and who also control the appointment of senior civil servants who would most likely worked against the new leaders without fear of dismissal.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If the PAP loses the next GE, especially a &#8216;freak&#8217; result, I don&#8217;t think LKY would hand over power peacefully. He and his son would fix them oppositon members before they could form the new government. LKY is very ingenious. Just look how Thailand&#8217;s elites removed Thaksin and his successors without much bloodshed. The economy may suffer temporary but will recover under the PAP again. LKY had said that if the opposition were  to run the country  the economy will be totally ruined within 5 years. He had also mentioned Chen S B&#8217;s poor performance in Taiwan.</p>
<p>Even if the opposition can form the new government, it will be at the mercy of the PAP-controlled President who would deny them access to the reserves and who also control the appointment of senior civil servants who would most likely worked against the new leaders without fear of dismissal.</p>
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		<title>By: Aki</title>
		<link>http://theonlinecitizen.com/2009/04/by-the-next-general-elections/comment-page-1/#comment-60641</link>
		<dc:creator>Aki</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Apr 2009 11:06:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>TCH - load of craps! Just a crony - period!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>TCH &#8211; load of craps! Just a crony &#8211; period!</p>
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		<title>By: Singapore Short Stories</title>
		<link>http://theonlinecitizen.com/2009/04/by-the-next-general-elections/comment-page-1/#comment-60620</link>
		<dc:creator>Singapore Short Stories</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Apr 2009 02:26:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I hope the 4th generation of leaders would be someone who knows what Singaporeans, especially the youths want. They must be able to communicate and understand the commoners in the street and not to have another scholar again....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I hope the 4th generation of leaders would be someone who knows what Singaporeans, especially the youths want. They must be able to communicate and understand the commoners in the street and not to have another scholar again&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: Elfred</title>
		<link>http://theonlinecitizen.com/2009/04/by-the-next-general-elections/comment-page-1/#comment-60619</link>
		<dc:creator>Elfred</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Apr 2009 02:23:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Angry_One: Politically speaking, if MM or the then PM calls the army, the first thing would be an impact of foreign tourists here in Singapore, and second thing would be the respective embassies of states MM is highly sensitive of in foreign intervention, that the third thing is... by the time you need the army, we&#039;d have plenty of political assassinations.

You must understand how certain things said must be analysed conveniently.

Besides, when PAP does lose, they can only call in the army before before the next cabinet is formed... ... And you&#039;d need a world legitimate election for PAP to form the next cabinet, hence be granted power to direct the army or even to declare war on other states.

@Lister Storm: The issue about political leadership and especially leaders with high calibre is not about &#039;able&#039; or not to be produced. If you understand histories, they are mostly the products of situation or the acts of god. And every civilisation is usally blessed by very few, if any.

The oppositions&#039; biggest political capital is the rising tide. You don&#039;t need much of a fight hence you don&#039;t need talents that much to fight for power. Just look at how easily Thaksin was ousted. He was the PM of Thailand somemore! And no one peasants took out a gun to resist the military. This is obviously because nobody really need Thaksin, and the tide against him is high. Tell me who really thought there are such leaders in the Yellow Armies? How many peasants really know them?

But if there are high calibre leaders in the oppositions, most of them are likely to be hiding and on the sideline when Mr Lee Senior is still around. The best of the best always do what is best in politics. See?

So you are asking a pretty redundant question.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Angry_One: Politically speaking, if MM or the then PM calls the army, the first thing would be an impact of foreign tourists here in Singapore, and second thing would be the respective embassies of states MM is highly sensitive of in foreign intervention, that the third thing is&#8230; by the time you need the army, we&#8217;d have plenty of political assassinations.</p>
<p>You must understand how certain things said must be analysed conveniently.</p>
<p>Besides, when PAP does lose, they can only call in the army before before the next cabinet is formed&#8230; &#8230; And you&#8217;d need a world legitimate election for PAP to form the next cabinet, hence be granted power to direct the army or even to declare war on other states.</p>
<p>@Lister Storm: The issue about political leadership and especially leaders with high calibre is not about &#8216;able&#8217; or not to be produced. If you understand histories, they are mostly the products of situation or the acts of god. And every civilisation is usally blessed by very few, if any.</p>
<p>The oppositions&#8217; biggest political capital is the rising tide. You don&#8217;t need much of a fight hence you don&#8217;t need talents that much to fight for power. Just look at how easily Thaksin was ousted. He was the PM of Thailand somemore! And no one peasants took out a gun to resist the military. This is obviously because nobody really need Thaksin, and the tide against him is high. Tell me who really thought there are such leaders in the Yellow Armies? How many peasants really know them?</p>
<p>But if there are high calibre leaders in the oppositions, most of them are likely to be hiding and on the sideline when Mr Lee Senior is still around. The best of the best always do what is best in politics. See?</p>
<p>So you are asking a pretty redundant question.</p>
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		<title>By: SZ</title>
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		<dc:creator>SZ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Apr 2009 02:13:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Call in the army? where does the basis or junior officer comes from? do you think they will want to do anything against their own people?

and if they do call in the army, i am sure the foreign press will love it, and soon we will be hit with embargo to teach them a little lesson.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Call in the army? where does the basis or junior officer comes from? do you think they will want to do anything against their own people?</p>
<p>and if they do call in the army, i am sure the foreign press will love it, and soon we will be hit with embargo to teach them a little lesson.</p>
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		<title>By: Lister Storm</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lister Storm</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Apr 2009 01:53:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So, why is it that singapore is not able to produce 1 single alternative leader to form a strong opposition party?

I do not feel that WP is a strong opposition party in terms of the number of seats, the membership and the politicians they have.

Can singapore produce just 1 such talent in future? Is it able?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So, why is it that singapore is not able to produce 1 single alternative leader to form a strong opposition party?</p>
<p>I do not feel that WP is a strong opposition party in terms of the number of seats, the membership and the politicians they have.</p>
<p>Can singapore produce just 1 such talent in future? Is it able?</p>
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		<title>By: babyckh</title>
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		<dc:creator>babyckh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Apr 2009 01:33:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>to #15 

Call in the army? What can they do? 

They are not going to mow everyone down with their machine guns and tanks isn&#039;t it?

Scare tactic la...</description>
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<p>Call in the army? What can they do? </p>
<p>They are not going to mow everyone down with their machine guns and tanks isn&#8217;t it?</p>
<p>Scare tactic la&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: cat</title>
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		<dc:creator>cat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Apr 2009 00:54:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, the MIWS are not sure of winning... that&#039;s why they panick.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, the MIWS are not sure of winning&#8230; that&#8217;s why they panick.</p>
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		<title>By: angry_one</title>
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		<dc:creator>angry_one</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 04 Apr 2009 18:45:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The PAP will always be in control my friends. Don&#039;t be so naive as to think that they will fight a fair election and walk away if they lose. LKY has said that if the PAP loses he&#039;ll call in the army. The people are powerless. Those who can leave for a better life, have done so.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The PAP will always be in control my friends. Don&#8217;t be so naive as to think that they will fight a fair election and walk away if they lose. LKY has said that if the PAP loses he&#8217;ll call in the army. The people are powerless. Those who can leave for a better life, have done so.</p>
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		<title>By: Elfred</title>
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		<dc:creator>Elfred</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 04 Apr 2009 17:52:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Highly unlikely... It won&#039;t be until the election after the coming one when the forth gen of leaders would be about forming. It&#039;d also be a time of pretty tough fight... Hehehehe~

It&#039;d be at the turning point of Singapore fortune at that election... which is, if those leaders can&#039;t make it... that&#039;s it lah~</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Highly unlikely&#8230; It won&#8217;t be until the election after the coming one when the forth gen of leaders would be about forming. It&#8217;d also be a time of pretty tough fight&#8230; Hehehehe~</p>
<p>It&#8217;d be at the turning point of Singapore fortune at that election&#8230; which is, if those leaders can&#8217;t make it&#8230; that&#8217;s it lah~</p>
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		<title>By: whattf</title>
		<link>http://theonlinecitizen.com/2009/04/by-the-next-general-elections/comment-page-1/#comment-60523</link>
		<dc:creator>whattf</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 04 Apr 2009 06:44:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;And again, DPM was speaking in English in the mainland when he gave a speech…… what is this… (I am speechless).&quot;

Can&#039;t even speak chinese and still wana be DPM ? I thought the old man already gave the ultimatum to speak chinese at home ?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;And again, DPM was speaking in English in the mainland when he gave a speech…… what is this… (I am speechless).&#8221;</p>
<p>Can&#8217;t even speak chinese and still wana be DPM ? I thought the old man already gave the ultimatum to speak chinese at home ?</p>
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