This is the most interesting news yet…MP having immortal salary still need a loan from a monk?
Seem like a lot of holes in Marine parade GRC lately…

yup yup…i wonder what is GCT’s reply? and what is that 60k use for?

I must exclaim my sincere surprise that ah ong need to borrow.

Some loans are made with an intention to tolerate default…

oh my god big news this time……………..

is the loan legal?

i may not koe the law.

but i think most mp should koe the law.

??????????

just wait for news to report more interesting things.

mp borrow money from loanshark

Wow, and it was in 2000 when the chappie joined the hospital!
Any interest on the loan? Was it repaid?
An MP is expected to show should exemplary conduct – borrow if you need to – but from your relatives or friends or if you cannot get, then go to the commercial banks.
Borrowing money from a Monk & his hospital which depended on public donation and charity ? and at the time when he first joined the hospital ?
How can it happen? The truth is stranger than fiction.
The citizens need to know what is going on as public money is involved.

What is the PAP selection system like nowadays?

Goodbye Dr Ong.

Ai yo yo, I thought PAP MPs wearing white shirt and pants very pure one, where got corruption ?? Especially from Goh Chok Tong’s ward. All PAP men are filtered in tea session, before being selected. Some more is doctor Ai yo, yo PAP, don’t tell me $60k is peanut, ah Mr Goh Chok Tong, please explain ? When Dr Chee claimed taxi fare extra $2, you said he was corrupted, dishonest , so now is Dr Ong corrupted or not honest ?? Pls expain Pap, don’t tell me it is an honest mistake !!!

I read the news too and was shocked to my life!!! So he joined PAP because of money too? Why does an MP need to borrow so much from donors while the money can be used to help the needy. I am worried for Marine Parade GRC, is the Town council money in safe hands too? What happen if the money from Town Council is taken out without any proper approval like Ren Ci because someone is in control and Shamugam said we need to base on trust so proper process become irrelevant? This issue needs to be digged deeper otherwise all Singaporean monies are controlled by wrong hands.

I thought PAP MPs are clean ?? Now I don’t trust any PAP MPs because I believe many are corrupted and not investigated because there are no complaint against them. Or many corruption cases are covered up. Just like NKF, if there is no defamation case against Durai, I think now he is a fat cat, eating money all the way. Like wise our town council money is in danger, any MP can just siphon the money.

From NKF to Ren Ci, there are the clever guys who exploit the system – be it done hiding underskirts or in all white!
This is a sad day for my Singapore – if temptation is the root, then it must be removed and the high salaries paid to politicians must definitely be changed to put a check on the greater harm to society that it is causing.

I think and think.
Maybe we should just move on, mere mortals?
Or how about this, its an honest mistaken?
To be honest, my impression is that MPs technically partime work salary is considered high salary in addition to their full time work, i suppose as a doctor among maybe other ’ships.

I wonder and wonder. still i cannot understood why need to borrow.
But then, maybe its only allegations. No concrete evidonce.

Is an honest mistake, just move on.

am i watching a soap opera?

from nkf now to ren ci.

ming yi sao di

Hmm…. seems that Marine Parade GRC and its MP’s are cursed….

Hmm…so what was it about high pay to get rid of corruption???LHL, what have you got to say now?!

“LHL, what have you got to say now?!”

After listening so much of PAP cock, I have learn to construct “constructive” cock that are typical of the gahmen.

So here goes the line.
“If we did not pay high salary to the MP then it will be more than $60,000, it will have been $600,000. So we are right to pay so much salary for gahmen because we have help reduce the corruption. Our foresight about high salary to reduce corruption is right after all”

This is the problem with 50% walkovers, 66% mandate and 98% seats for PAP at every election.

You see all kinds of things beneath the surface. Nobody challenge them for a long long time.

Scary man.

Unless more is disclosed and sooner the better, this Dr may be doing a lot more harm in the interim to his fellow MPs, his GRC and would tarnish the reputation of the Singapore Government.
He should volunteer all facts and should not hide behind the trial proceedings – this is unlike the NKF case co-incidentally under trial whilst election campaigns were on.

This is what you get in a system based on trust.

Since when all PAP MPs are clean? If the PAP needs to constantly assert that high pay is needed to keep corruption minimum, then corruption must be constantly re-emerging itself within the PAP ranks. Else what’s the need to keep saying the need for high pay when citizen’s objection against high pay for senior appointment within the public sector are constantly ignored?

If the MP really did something wrong, i.e. corruption, then he should received much stiffer sentence, since he should be a role model, yet failed to.

to rub salt to the wound ,…….

News also say hor, borrow from loanshark may be crime soon leh ……

I think I better change vocation ….. I am in the wrong job …..

Oh dear.

I see….

White shirts turning brown.

It took 9 years for this to come out into the light.

I wonder what other skeletons there are in the PAP closet.

This reminds me of Sylvia Lim’s mention of a “PAP Power – Elite Network”.

Looks like things just keep going downhill for Lee Hsien Loong.

More to come, I am sure.

Wong Kan Seng refused to take responsibility for Mas Selamat’s escape.

Tharman refused to take responsibilty for toxic financial products.

Yacob Ibrahim refused to take responsiblity for Geylang Serai rats.

Will Ong Seh Hong take responsibility for dodgy loans?

White shirt rules! Now, let the mainstream media start the spin machine!

I already say, there are internal strife, the media is not covering up for GCT men and woman as ordered by the 2lees so we can see these dirty linen now. In the past we will never see them at all.
Singapore need a change to flush the system clean before we all get choke to death.

Now it’s justified MPs are earning peanut salaries, that’s why they are forced to borrow from charity. I believe the GST and other things are going to be raised, to increase their salaries. So they wont have to borrow again.

whats the pt my fellow singaporean..the news would either choose to ignore the news completely or hide the news next to the classification ads…

I have gave up on singapore and thinking of migrating to taiwan…at least the corrupts are punished..

PAP don’t seem to have the Right Values nowsadays! Very Self Serving, Very Elitists Pro Business, even LKY go and teach authorism to Asian neighbours.

See TT Durai case where Mrs Goh support and his husband had to eat his words.

Do we see the raise of Organised Religions like Christian, Muslim Fundamentalism like New Creation, City Harvest and lot of elite join them.
Singapore is becoming more more polarised and don’t know what happen when old man go to heaven, can his son hold the country?

Great Power Came with Great Responsibility!
PAP where is your Values Nowsdays. Do you believe “Univeral Declaration of Human Rights”
You all still so Godly, Untouchable, Elistists. Your Ground is shaking already and pls justified the economy failure now. The majority will perils onday.

well, im sure the PAP MPs of the past were not like this. Hmmm, maybe TOC should do a interview with retired PAP MPs like Yatiman and see what they got to say. Maybe now that they are out of PAP, they might dare to reveal more truth on PAP’s system of selection for new MPs

post #32,

Indeed as you wrote, you are absolutely , ST today hid the news on the infamous Dr ONG.
UInknown to ST & GCT, CNA had already done its somewhat professional job – hope that its editor will not be fired.
Now it is should be goodbye GCT.

former Ren Ci CEO, Shi Ming Yi, threw light on the way staff loans were granted,

this fag play dirty man, i luv it, drag everybody down with him..

aiyoyo

doctor leh, so $$$, and got people still lend him $$$$$, why like that???

there’re so many man on the street, is anyone lend $ to them???

why like that huh??

some more the doctor is one of elites leh OMG!!??

is the elite group leader explain why like that huh???????????????????

more and more sad stories…

aiyoyo

am i surprise? not at all….scratch harder…we will see more worms.

It will take more than Bleach and detergent to keep the garment white again…

can we all please draft a letter to ask this joker to either explain his loan or resign?

this whole thing stinks to high heaven…

bloody hell collecting so much paycheck still can borrow money from a hospital…knnbccb…

As a neutral party who has both supported as well as criticised the government in recent times, I am both surprised and indeed disappointed that the Ong Seh Hong loan incident has been removed from the press radar. I feel that a clarification from no less than the Prime Minister himself is necessary to remove any suspicion of wrong doing given the can of worms that is being opened up during the Ren Ci probe. If the loan has not been repaid, I am curious why, given the salary of backbenchers and his other remuneration.

Just like the famous “losing face” clarification made by LKY on the the Teh Cheang Wan case, confronting the issue is better than resorting to a press blackout for it gives the impression that there is something to hide. The public deserves an explanation or at least deserves to know what went on. If there is wrong doing, then the PAP leadership need to do the honourable thing and remove the member.

See… We aint paying them enough!!!! They need to be paid a lot more…. their pay are not on the same scale of the highest earners in the world. That is why they needed to borrow. We need some perspective!!! Do you know Christiano Ronaldo is paid almost 100K pounds a week!!! If we dun pay our MPs (only PAP’s hor… WP junks please dun apply) the same or equivalent. And don’t give reasons like being an MP/Minister is not the same as playing pro-football. Our elite geniuses who played 30 minutes of football a week during their PE lessons when they were schooling and they can turn pro and join Real Madrid, Manchester United or Chelsea, just some some retired generals who never had experience in the finance industry may join Goldman Sachs instead of serving the nation. You don’t believe… just check out the senior management of Goldman, Morgan Stanley, UBS …etc… they are filled with retired military generals from their countries… wait a minute… they are not…. but never mind… Singapore military leaders are better than them so that train of logic do not apply.

MP should be sacked if PAP has any conscience. Oh, OK I hear the chorus, no conscience. Any first or third world gahment worth its salt would do immediate sacking. But this being Spore, he will probably be held up as a stunning role model blah blah do good deeds blah blah big hero blah blah.

In short, gahment no wrong, you the citizen go to hell!

Civil servants here have to declare their indebtedness in some kind of form. If I’m not wrong its done twice yearly and they can lose their job if they make a false declaration.

I wonder if our elite MPs need to abide by these rules also or they are given special treatment because of their elite status?

Ren Ci had knowingly borrowed the money (from public donations), therefore Ren Ci had to explain. Mr Ong had borrowed the money, therefore Mr Ong should come clean on whether the money was repaid and when.

Can someone familar with the process of petition, get one going to get this matter on the press agenda ?

Dr Ong has replied:
“I was an employee of GIC in 1999. I was offered by Ren Ci Hospital and Medicare Centre to be Director, Medical & Paramedical Services in January 2000.

“However to leave GIC, I had to pay S$560,000 to settle my outstanding staff housing loan. I agreed to join Ren Ci on condition that I received a loan of S$60,000, to pay off in part the amount of S$560,000 and I paid the remaining S$500,000 from bank loan.

“When I borrowed the sum of S$60,000 from Ren Ci, I was not an MP. It was lent to me as staff, and was part of the terms on which I agreed to join Ren Ci. I have since repaid the sum fully.”

Let’s all not get too eager to bash him up. Read the facts first and be objective.

29) Throwing off my shameful white shirt on April 17th, 2009 2.04 am

how can say like that? you list so many got related to this issue or not?
thank goodness you din mention TC investment where ah teo invovled.
else har, i dunno what to say. dun anyhow list leh. thank u many many.

The Laws just stiffen up by Wong KS, but now come out another Borrowing money from Loan Shark will be presecuted, but borrow from Monk or “Charity Group” is ok.

First thing first, why borrow from Ren Ci, while there are so many Bank in Singapore for him to loan money from and is legal and clean.

Secondly, When MP are being pay the world class salary, why money still not enough and need to borrow from Ren Ci and worse hiding about it?

Thirdly, Did Dr. Ong repaid this loan and when? Loan started on year 2000, when did he started to repay the loan?

Fourthly, What action will LKY, GCT, LHL, WKS and TCH, going to do about this? Will it be another cover up story, like all the pass “Honest Mistake” they have made and nobody are holding responsible to it?

SINGAPORE IS TIME FOR US TO WAKE UP AND QUESTION OUR RULING PARTY OF SINGAPORE.

SURE ONE PARTY IS THE RIGHT THING TO DO?

RULING PARTY, BETTER ANSWER US POOR CITIZENS AND CLEARIFY ALL THIS. PAPER CANNOT WARP UP FIRE AND THROW AWAY, FIRE WILL BURN BIGGER AND BIGGER.

“However to leave GIC, I had to pay S$560,000 to settle my outstanding staff housing loan. I agreed to join Ren Ci on condition that I received a loan of S$60,000, to pay off in part the amount of S$560,000 and I paid the remaining S$500,000 from bank loan“.

I really do not know what to make of OSH’s reasoning.
1. He was able to secure a $500,000 loan. Why did the banks find it necessary to deny him the other $60,000? He was walking into Director position at Ren CI for goodness sake!

2. Accepting the Ren Ci job on condition that he be granted the $60,000 loan. How he saw it fit to ask for a loan from an institution that is operating on public funds is beyond comprehension. Does he not know that this will place the institution in a predicament? The audacity to ask for a loan from a Community Hospital operating on the generosity of the public.

3. Ren Ci taking the easy way out of the predicament by agreeing to the $60,000 loan. Guilty as charged.

4. Using the housing loan as an excuse to explain off the loan is nothing short of lame. I am sure that for a person of his stature, a former GIC employee and soon-to-be Director of Ren Ci’s Medical & Paramedical Services, he would be able to secure the additional $60,000 from elsewhere other than Ren CI. If he can’t even do this, then his aptitude and appointment is really questionable.

5. Does GCT know that he has such a questionable character in his team? Should he not now be concerned with the new revelation and go check all the books under OSH’s charge? GCT must come out to either defend OSH’s credibility, or whatever is left of it, as well as his own sense of judgement. The explanation must be nothing short of the colour white.

My goodness! I thought those selected by PAP are whiter than white, and there is the flawed logic of attracting high calibre people to join their ranks, paying them high to prevent corruption, etc.

* I am damm amazed *

On hindsight, it is better than having corrupted MPs, right? We shd pay them more, so that they do not have to take interest free loans from funds that were contributed by donations from poor people. MPs and some monks need money, lets give them more for them to do a good job.

http://www.channelnewsasia.com/stories/singaporelocalnews/view/422954/1/.html

Read from the above CNA report, he brorrowed the money before he was MP and he had repaid the loan (see below):

“When I borrowed the sum of S$60,000 from Ren Ci, I was not an MP. It was lent to me as staff, and was part of the terms on which I agreed to join Ren Ci. I have since repaid the sum fully.”

Elites want to see the money first before they will serve. Goes to show what kind of characters our elite party is attracting into their ranks.

44) Different rules for the elite chiefs? on April 17th, 2009 9.27 am Civil servants here have to declare their indebtedness in some kind of form. If I’m not wrong its done twice yearly and they can lose their job if they make a false declaration.

DAMN RIGHT ? They need to declare, false decleration !!!!!!! GIC before joining need to reply staff and never took from the bank ….what a joke.. white lie !!!!

No wonder GIC have such poor historical returns.

His shirt is whiter than white. nice picture.

It is perfectly ok to borrow from your new company to repay loan from previous company as condition for joining.

But here is the difference.

Your new company is a charitable organisation. Even though the CEO agrees to your terms, you must not even harbour the thought of borrowing (I think interest free loan) from the charitable organisation.

The fact that you did shows a flaw in character (dan pien yi).

I am an ordinary Singaporean who is trying to make ends meet day-to-day. Reading news about GIC, Temasek loses…. the arrogrance of our PAP leaders. Going out on weekend and having to queue for parking, queue just to get a seat in a foodcourt in a Singapore overcrowded with foreigners who steal our jobs…. now corruption.

I am sick and tired of this place. It’s time to immigrate. I vote for opposite all my life, but nothing ever change because the other 66.6% of hum-chee Singaporeans still continue to vote pappy because they are selfish and worried about their upgrading and other forms of vote-bribery engaged by the pappy. If not, they are scared vote opposition will get into trouble.

Singaporeans are a useless lot. Complain so much but come polling time, all cowards and vote for pappy! See lah, now even got this Dr Ong corrupted and anyhow take loan from a monk! Vote for these people some more lor.

Google “Ong Seh Hong” and “candy”. You will also see something.

58) mars on April 17th, 2009 10.43 am

Your new company is a charitable organisation. Even though the CEO agrees to your terms, you must not even harbour the thought of borrowing (I think interest free loan) from the charitable organisation.

You may want to consider that he was likely paying higher interest with the $500k bank loan compared to the loan from GIC. If that is the case, I won’t be rushing to judge his characters just because he asked for the $60 loan from Ren Ci.

I keep rubbing my eyes, how come this morning’s Straits Times has no mention about loan to Dr Ong …..

Isnt it plain rubbish to ask for loan from charitable organisation… you think what , I donate and let you take interest-free loan ahhh….

It is common for companies in attracting talents to offer some monetary compensation to cover the extraordinary financial loss while leaving the old company. Although tempted, I wouldn’t be too fast to past judgement.

In Ren Ci case as in the NKF’s case the problem is with poor corporate governance coupled with a corrupted CEO. I wonder in Singapore’s case, do we have good corporate governance (2opp/82pap seats)? Do we have an upright leader with his heart in the right place?

Google “Ong Seh Hong” and “candy”. There is something also.

Personally i find his explanations reasonable and well thought out.

But in order to clear the air further, i think he shud at least tell us when he repaid those loans….. was it the just other day or WHEN??

Becos there’s a whole of difference in intentions, between doing it asap and doing it just when the matter blows up.

Guys i want all of you to be rational. Ong sought a loan of 60k to repay 560,000 – a mere 10.7%. Its not a case of him asking for a loan of 500k. Second, he fully paid the loan. Thirdly he sought the loan before entering politics in Nov 2001. Did he err?

I doubt so. Its easy to lose rationality when you read such reports. Of course the opportunists lurking here are always waiting to pounce on such reports and whack the pap leaders.

Please, give them a break.

If you genuinely feel so sore, why not join the political fight and make this an issue at the next pollls?

Yours,
Laura

To 63) Candy

Thanks
He is really disgusting …

To 65) Laura Chew

It is not 1% or 100% of the loan. He should know very well that Ren Ci is a charitable organisation, if the CEO monk anyhow lent out money and headhunt people over, doesn’t it smell fishy. He is not whiter than white afterall.

Please don’t drag in politics yet at this juncture. We are talking about a MP’s character.

Is not how much you take, even a single cent without justification is an corruption .

All earning should be under the condition of free and fair competitions.

He should not had join Ren Ci cause of loan $60K but based on his abilities, that is totally morally wrong.

You go ask any umemployed during interview,” I will accept this job if you lent me $XXX”. The employer will ask you go fly kite and he can employed many many Foreign Talents at $1800 to replace your jobs and they are more all “YES” man.

GIC lend half a million loan to its staff?! Gosh!!! scary, that is our money too. Could that be the reason why our CPF was held up due to tight cash in the govt coffer? Why all these govt related organisations give loan so generously and peasants have to borrow from bank at hefty interest and forced into bankruptcy if can’t repay.

To Laura Chew,
10.7% is alot. Dr Chee claimed taxi fare extra $2 , he was sacked by NUS. $2 only imagine is corruption, not to mention $60k.

Why is there a need for him to borrow $60,000 from Ren Ci to settle his debt, never mind what kind of debt it was, be it a debt owed to loansharks or to HDB or to his grandmother or the market aunty.

Why did he saw it necessary to ask Ren Ci for the loan? He was going to be employed by Ren Ci. Did he know what Ren Ci stands for? Is it a bank? Is it in the money-lending business? Why did he need to borrow from Ren Ci?

Why was he selected to be an MP when this is a clear-cut flaw of character?

67)
“We are talking about a MP’s character.”
Which part of, he was not an MP yet when he borrowed the money, do you not understand?

68)
“You go ask any umemployed during interview,” I will accept this job if you lent me $XXX”. The employer will ask you go fly kite and he can employed many many Foreign Talents at $1800 to replace your jobs and they are more all “YES” man.”
… you are comparing a unemployed, versus one who is headhunted. If you are headhunted, you definitely have some bargaining power.

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I think I am as anti-PAP as most.. but when people do not read, and start asking if he had repaid the loan, no wonder PAP can also say opposition no credibility. You can’t even read!

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Personally, I think the loan to the now MP is not so impt. What I am interested to know is what personal benefits, if any, Ming Yi received for giving these loans. Corruptions is all about personal benefits, right?

So far, he helped a friend, used it to headhunt someone for his hospital… it may be wrong, but is it ‘evil’?

#60 Sarek_home

I am sure that he is paying higher bank interest compared to the staff loan from GIC.

He chose to leave GIC and join Ren Ci. I assume on better terms and conditions.

So, why borrow $60K from a charitable organisation? If you cannot repay the $560K from your own resources, do not take up the job. It is a question of judgement and character.

#33,

what! he is going to heaven? you quite sure???

#33,

what! he is going to heaven?? are you very sure??

i am sure the job title @ Ren Chi was better sounding mah !!! COO leh, whereas @ GIC, its just H-Arh-ler manager ….

Is a Demand and Supply Problem!

If the Bank can loan him $500,000 why can’t they loan him another $60,000?

No one accused that he is corrupt but his employment should be based on his abilities and compensation according to the prevailings market rate.

73) mars on April 17th, 2009 12.02 pm
So, why borrow $60K from a charitable organisation? If you cannot repay the $560K from your own resources, do not take up the job. It is a question of judgement and character.

Why? Can you explain the logic of “cannot repay the $560K from your own resources” then one should not “take up the job”?

What kind of question of judgment and character is involved? Can you spell them out?

Thanks.

lol, so pple only need to become ‘good’ when they become ‘armpit’? In any case, his past opportunism will hurt his current credibility

WKS, Tharman and Yacob all somewhat avoided responsibilities for things under their charge.
You expect this guy to do better ?

More skeletons in the non-corruptable government closet.

59) jadedsingaporean
sorry some error on previous one…

hi, i am too as dire straits as you. i agreed with partially.
1. i voted twice (i m 50 now) the rest walkover. both i voted for pap cos during the late boomers like us (nation builders), singapore is striving and developing so well that i see then government’s policies was heading in right direction for good future. but since GCT took over, it headed downward till now or ever worst in future with current shit leaderships. i am very f***king disappointed(sorry about that). so now you should see who should i vote for if ever there is a chance.

2. singaporeans generally are not coward and useless. it is the system (paps)that moulded us into such shameless, unscrupulous and selfcentre characters manner.

3. i was once have your toughts of migrating. but later i realised this in my inborned country that i should stay and fight for our rights. be it less mortal or high mortal, rich or poor out there, this is your own rightfully country that others cannot be compared with if you have a important task to fight for – truth, fairness, rights and democracy. by then, you are fullfulling your obligation being a human mankind with truth virtues on your own motherland. dont ever allow such ‘greed’ in this system to prevail.

4. if most ppl think that they cant stay and fight for its own rights and simply migrate while a desparate situation is requried you to make the different in this scenaio, then i am sad to see that happened.

5. we definitely need changes not only that, we may have overhauled this system of running this country. it is too outragous lope-sided.

God Bless!

Sorry $60k is to buy… peanuts. “What is $60k? It is peanuts!” As aptly coined by Mrs GCT.

Kaffein

72) lobo76 on April 17th, 2009 11.59 am
67)
“We are talking about a MP’s character.”
Which part of, he was not an MP yet when he borrowed the money, do you not understand?
=======================
lobo76, I fully understand he took loan from renci’s boss when he was not a MP yet.

Do you not understand this man of this character becoming our MP? Do you not understand where does renci’s fund come from? Do you not understand why people donate $ for suffering patients in renci? Do you not understand what is moral? I rest my case.

As a chief financial officer, he should ensure proper control in terms of finance, operations and HR rules should be put in placed but he failed to do so. He allows the Hongkee to work without EP status and continue to allow them to draw $5000/mth. He allows the financial records to be flawed thus all these worms start crawling out. How much peanut is this COO Dr Ong earning per month in Ren Ci? I am sure he can bargain for extravagant salary package since he has openly requested for loan from the charity organisation as part of his employment negotiation deal.

Correction, not CFO but COO in my message above.

73) lobo76 on April 17th, 2009 11.59 am
QUOTE
“….. definitely have some bargaining power.”
“…..I think I am as anti-PAP as most..
“….no wonder PAP can also say opposition no credibility..”
“….You can’t even read!..”
“….it may be wrong, but is it ‘evil’?”
UNQUOTE

lobo76, hope you will not fall into the dark side of the elitism.

hi,

this is what singapore less mortal like me (similarly to #59) having going through such a scenario situation….

1. when their (high mortal) career being paid ‘peanut’ (f**king high salary), they escaped almost all punishments and get away with it unless to those extreme case with lenient punishments just to show how ‘justification’ they are. you guy should know by now what are they.

2. when we (less mortal) earning miserable pay face recession, we are first to go and left with bundles of problems (with cut-off salary which just enough for end meets) to be settled by yourself. conservancy didnt pay, town council will charged almost 8% interest for non monthly overdue bill and still not pay followed up with lawsuit against you even own only one month or 2 months bill. utilities didnt pay and cant pay at all, they cut off water and electricity services.

the real truth all there now is not about who is who in shit but we less mortal are. it is the damn economy issue that costs us in this dire straits. but again, who is the cause of this problems. the garhmen or outer factors i.e USA

sometime, i wonder things like this scandals always come up in such time – coincidentals or myths??

anyone?

To post #83 & #59,

We are from the older generation and it was then “duty, honour and country.”
Agree that we should not migrate despite the rotten things we are seeing everyweek.
Also should not go to JB or Batam.
Guys like Dr ong benefitted from our sacrifices – why should we not stay put to try to enjoy a bit for ourselves; why let Dr ong be the ones to enjoy healthcare.
We do not need his level of salary earned by dubious means.

80)Ark,
“lol, so pple only need to become ‘good’ when they become ‘armpit’? In any case, his past opportunism will hurt his current credibility”

I tell myself not to judge convicts just because they are convicts… that means, I have to apply this at the other end also.

85)
“Do you not understand this man of this character becoming our MP? Do you not understand where does renci’s fund come from? Do you not understand why people donate $ for suffering patients in renci? Do you not understand what is moral? I rest my case.”

Refer to my reply above. I try not to infer anything from past actions. That’s like justifying current PAP cohort using PAP’s past success.. which I absolutely hate.

As for the funds and morals, unfortunately, the debate about using donated funds for investment is not settled. If there is interest involved, then this is a form of investment, and the issue is still undecided.

From the perspective of the hospital, it is a form of investment regardless of whether there is interest to be repaid. Ren Ci may feel that they are paying for help for the hospital which in turn helps the patient. The ‘help’ may be management skill (if any) and relationship (guang xi) building if Ren Ci is aware he was shortlisted for MP. It’s anyone’s guess why he was headhunted, but Ren Ci maybe did feel he would be of value to the hospital, and thus to the patients.

Helping the patients doesn’t only mean give patient money or pay his bills.

88)
In my dreams, maybe I become elite. hahaha.
I’m nowhere near motivated enough to seek riches (work hard – include social networking, for it). Only waiting for riches to drop in (CNY TOTO draw)

91) Old Faithfuls,

yes! keep up the faith. going for our rights and make this garhment wake up before things are getting off hand like the way it is now. what is next??

Not only did he borrowed $$$ from a monk in a charity organisation…he is also a litter-bug.

Ask our Forefathers Great Great Great Grandfather from China, Indian, Malaysia!

Why they migrate to Singapore during 19th Century! Are they disloyal to China by

migrating to Singapore. Are they quitter from China or Stayers from China?

No it is because of Big Economic, to earn a living!

So who ever can migrate will do so when they can’t find a living.

The push and pull factors! That is LIFE before death!

can ren ci, NKF, NCC or City harvest provide me with an interest-free loan? don’t worry, i will pay back one…

the coverage on ST on Dr Ong was overwhelmingly —–

quiet.

Goh Chok Tong should answer for Mr Ong’s misdeed regarding the loan and the litter bug case. why choose a flaw character candidate for Marine Parade GRC ? After he any how throw sweet wrapper in Marine Parade. Don’t tell me GCT will say it is peanut for the $60k. DR Chee was sacked for a $2 corruption, it shows that if you side with Pap, if you do something wrong, you will not be prosecuted. If you are oppositions, they will strip until your pants down, they will spy on you, using tax payers money to see whether you go to bar drinking, or womenising, or check on your income tax. So you see, this government is not a fair govt., and they are worried those talented are smarter than LHL and company.

Ren Ci, NKF… Wait till you dig PAP Community Foundation (PCF). PCF is supposed to be a charity and I am sure it has a lot of accounting irregularities worth investigating.

Not sure like this a liability or not?
some more maybe june or some say may.

why i ask? bcos i no no.

Another CROOK that has gone way beyond doing good! A monk who enjoy luxury car, First Class Air Travel, loves the lime light, good expensive Veg dishes and “cant say NO to friends and staffs” person and supported MEDIACORPSE.

Can he be any worse? I ranked him EQUAL to the GOLDEN TAP Durai!

What have our Singapore Garment done to eradicate all these crooks lurking and manipulating charities. Even an MP is involved in this fiasco. Can PAP spring anymore surprises?

I think we need to know more details about the loan which OSH took from Ren Ci:
1. Was the loan offered by Ming Yi without being requested by OSH, or was it demanded by OSH?
2. What is the interest rate charged?
3. Was OSH a member of the Board that approved the loan to himself?
4. Was there any written contract on this loan, and if so, what is the arrangement for the loan to be re-paid back?
5. What collateral did OSH provide to Ren Ci in order secure the loan?

#73 (lobo76)

The question was NOT whether he repaid those loans, it is WHEN that was done. I hope you have pass your comprehension tests in school becos it seems like you are abit lost leh.

This episode also raise eyebrows on GIC’s employee benefit scheme.

I learned my lessons painfully afte the NKF saga and no I say to me-self
No NKF, No Ren Ci since then ……better give direct to the blind and handicapped @ MRT stations, they provide MUSIC & Songs – worth listeninf & donating….save admin/tax etc. for those crooked CEOs?

Do Rai Me Ren Ci ………..i

>>News also say hor, borrow from loanshark may be crime soon leh ……

i tot bank r no different from loanshark if not worse they even take away ur house & its legal

i hope next time my children grow up can work in gic.

can be dr.

can be a mp.

can have no money problem.

Since Ah Loong took over as PM (even with his dad around), there are shit loads of attitudes problems with the Ministers & MP’s.

It’s worst than Goh or LKY as PM.

PM Lee can’t manage the country, no leadership quality. He can’t set examples for others to follow. When ever negative news on his ministers or MP’s, he always vanished without fail.

MM Lee made a Grave Mistake by allowing his son to PM. PM Lee is Not even an elected PM. He became PM through the back door.

LHL IS A JOKE TO BE A S’PORE PM.

When with dad is not around…….. Ah Loong will be in shit.

Another that surprised me was the revelation that Ong was heading Ren CI BEFORE he became an MP. Given the mismanagement that is being revealed at Ren CI and this loan scandal, I cant help but wonder how PAP selects its members. I think he is not competent enough for the job and not morally wise enough to understand the implications of borrowing from a charitable organization for his personal reasons.

108) tom on April 18th, 2009 12.07 am

like wife like husband, fail flop failures same same sama sama.. without oldman going to get even worst

Which is a more grievious crime? Chee SJ’s few dollars taxi fare or Ong SH’s $60K from charity funds?
PAP needs to clean the filth in its own backyard first !
What a “A” Team !

Under LKY, his bunch of followers can be controlled. Now that he is aged and cannot constantly watch over them, some have started to stray.

In all regimes in history, when the ruler fades away, generals become warlords, each trying to grab a share of the spoils, the Eunuchs become greedy and court officials become corrupted.

History always repeat itself.

The little tiger said to his master, “I am hungry, I need meat” So the master goes and feed the tiger. In return the tiger does his work for his master, killing his enemies and guarding his home.

The master is a feared figure. Because the Tiger was so good, the master says, “I must feed the tiger more and the best, or else the Tiger will become corrupted”.

The tiger gladly accepted more food and better meat. The tiger grew and grew…

And the master took more food from the villages… saying…. “Our tiger is the best and cleanest and uncorrupted tiger in the word… It will never go to the village to eat your chicken and sheep.”

Growl the tiger, “Yes, I am clean, uncorrupted and efficient, FEED ME MORE…”

Soon, the master could no longer justify feeding the Tiger “Millions of chickens and ducks and sheep.”

Tiger started going astray… Tiger went to the villages and demanded that they hand over their chickens, ducks, sheep. When that was no longer enough, tiger demanded that those Humans be handed over to it…

Because Tiger was hungry.

Master found out about Tiger’s deeds. Reprimanded Tiger… But Tiger told the Master, I am very hungry, “Let me eat you”.

The masters better get a grip on their “tigers’. No amount of food was sate their desire if they are Tigers to begin with… No amount of high pay will do, if they are attracted by high pay in the first place.

Hmm… he had joined Ren Ci on condition that he received the loan of S$60,000. So he had joined Ren Ci not because of his commitment and beliefs in charity work but because he is in dire need for the money!

actually this is what i think. he is a petty person, so he thought he maybe getting an interest free loan without any repercussion.

with his pay and benefits plus MP allowance, what is $60,000? really? now this action of his is going to haunt him.

i think some parliamentary observer also saw him sticking his gum on the bench. so i wonder if this is a personality problem?

Tiger story is a great analogy…but you should have changed the stoty of the tiger to a leopard instead cos like what they say ” A leopard can never change its spots”…no matter what amount of salary they draw.

I am sure you wun see this mp next election…. anyone want to have a bet with me??

If I ask $60K loan from my company, my boss will ask me go fly kite. Bloody stupid fake monk and his bunch of kakis. The fake monk shouldn’t be wearing the robe cos he don’t understand buddhist teaching at all. Real monk don’t get salary, fake monk does.

I wonder is it morally correct for PAP MP Dr Ong Seh Hong to accept the $60,000 loan from a charity funded hospital?

#71) tew ah seow on April 17th, 2009 11.56 am To Laura Chew,
‘10.7% is alot. Dr Chee claimed taxi fare extra $2 , he was sacked by NUS. $2 only imagine is corruption, not to mention $60k.’
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To the PAP, Dr Chee cheated the govt of $2. This is against the law whereas Dr Ong only borrowed $60K. Borrowing from the employer is not against the law although it may be against one’s conscience.

Dr Chee has no foresight. He didn’t remove all his skeletons from the closet before taking on the PAP. When the PAP passed the bill creating the GRCs and limiting SMCs to a minimum of 8, the PAP will not allow more than ten opposition members into parliament or else they will fix them up and get rid of them especially the troublesome people like Chee. I believe many potential opposition candidates have learnt from his mistakes.

71) tew ah seow on April 17th, 2009 11.56 am To Laura Chew,
10.7% is alot. Dr Chee claimed taxi fare extra $2 , he was sacked by NUS. $2 only imagine is corruption, not to mention $60k.

Chee in the wrong party, actually Chee is smart. Too bad

The whole nation is getting very very corrupted now, see no point to carry on living here anymore. Hope the opp parties and the citizens can do something about it to save the country before the whole nation collapse. Now you can clearly see that the law here is only made to protect one party and not the country anymore.

It’s PAP no need to ask why and find out why or show the proof and reasons !

It’s built on trust, you commoners MUST trust our words,

Just go about your work and pay you taxes on time, next time don’t ask too many questions, you know the answer already… It’s an honest mistake, let move on.

I am speechless. I mean, if I were to borrow, I will probably borrow from banks not a from a charity.

Read in papers that the monk has 9 credit cards. Why in the world he needs so many credit card is anybody’s guess. You cannot judge a monk by his frock, so they say.

Just like you cannot judge a government by what it says or how much it is paid. Pay them millions, which govt says will keep the MPs clean, and still get monkeys like this fellow.

#125…well he did said “we are living in a modern world”. He should gone all the way…get his yellow robe custom made by Gucci, Prada…etc with Sworoski diamonds…etc

“PM Lee is Not even an elected PM. He became PM through the back door.”

Dio hor, you no say I also cannot remember lor. I tot the Parliment MUST BE ELECTED lor, then hor, hos liz joker become the PM har?

PM is appointed by the roti prata pres meh?

Lawyers? Anyone?

#122) tiredsingaporean
‘ Now you can clearly see that the law here is only made to protect one party and not the country anymore.’
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Sometime ago, a PAP leader wanted to pass a bill prohibiting private investigators from checking on MPs. NCMP Sylvia Lim argued against the bill in parliament. It is common sense who they want to protect.

Why the bill killed? What happened to the bill? This is a bad law. Can anyone enlighten the readers here?

I wonder is it true and legal that Charities, where its said they lack funding like probably most of the times (constant asking for money from public), are suppose to give Loans? If so, I want to apply. But what is the interest chargeable? Is it based on equality? I assume so if the above assumption is true. If a charity can give loans, should it pay business tax to the country?

And why borrow from charities when there are so many banks to choose from? hmmmmmmmmm.

pork n pork

128) Edward on April 20th, 2009 12.36 am #122) tiredsingaporean
Sometime ago, a PAP leader wanted to pass a bill prohibiting private investigators from checking on MPs. NCMP Sylvia Lim argued against the bill in parliament. It is common sense who they want to protect.

Of course Ed, if they allow private investigators to check on MPs, later on it will lead to who we all know, right?

This must be embarrassing for the government.

As Chinese Saying Money can even motivated the Ghost!

So is he motivated by Gold, Goodness or God? Think Goodness is impt, cause Ren Ci is an organisation using public money to help the sick and poor.

No one accused him corrupted!

testing

hey. Dr Ong made a big sacrifice in order to serve in Ren Ci. He had to settle $560k loan in order to serve in the hospital, ok?

but,but, why would he quit a job with half-a-million dollar finaicial obligation? not if he’s digging a bigger pond elsewhere.

the truth is out there. and I want to believe.