From The Straits Times:
By Zakir Hussain
‘So I’m a concerned citizen and if people are so ignorant, I think I want to teach them.’
SENIOR lawyer Thio Su Mien on Thursday revealed the key role she played in bringing about the change of leadership at the Association of Women for Action and Research (Aware).
Appearing at a press conference called at short notice by some of the association’s new leaders, she said she was alarmed to discover that Aware had lost sight of its original purpose and become pro-lesbian and pro-homosexual.
Dr Thio, 71, a born-again Christian who runs her own law firm, is the mother of Nominated Member of Parliament Thio Li-ann and her nephew, Dr Alan Chin, is married to new Aware president Josie Lau.
She was the first woman dean of the Law Faculty at the then-University of Singapore, from 1969 to 1971.
Introducing herself as a ‘feminist mentor’ to working women, she said she began monitoring Aware’s affairs about a year ago.
Disturbed by what she saw as signs that it was promoting lesbianism and homosexuality, she began urging women she knew to challenge Aware’s attempts to redefine marriage and families.
On Thursday, the new Aware leaders said that they and their families had been threatened and even received death threats, and they have reported them to the police.
Dr Thio said: ‘I feel kind of responsible for these difficulties they are going through, because I was the one who mentored them over the years.’
She said she had been teaching and counselling some of them in different groups for up to 10 years.
She was ‘absolutely outraged’ that a group of women who just wanted to contribute to society are now facing ‘ferocious attacks’. ‘I don’t understand what has become of our people,’ she added.
Homosexual agenda?
THIO Su Mien explained that her concern about the direction that Aware was taking was partly prompted by a letter from a parent who was concerned that the society was promoting a homosexual agenda.
She wrote to the Today newspaper in 2007 to ask why Aware’s choice of a movie for a charity show was Spider Lilies, about two lesbians who fall in love.
Dr Thio said she went on to discover that in Aware’s comprehensive sexuality education programme, which is taken to schools, homosexuality is regarded as a neutral word, not a negative word.
‘I started thinking, ‘Hey, parents, you better know what’s happening,” she said.
‘I talked to parents. I said: You better do something about this, otherwise your daughter will come back and say, ‘Mum, I want to marry my girlfriend.’
‘Or your son will say: ‘Dad, I want to marry my boyfriend.”
These parents were flabbergasted, she said, adding that such sexuality education was taking place in the United States and Europe and was not new.
‘What is happening in society is that we are redefining marriage, we are redefining families,’ she said.
‘So I’m a concerned citizen and if people are so ignorant, I think I want to teach them.’
Pointing out that Aware’s programme was already in 30 schools, she said: ‘The suggestion is that in this programme, young girls from 12 to 18 are taught that it’s okay to experiment with each other.
‘And this is something which should concern parents in Singapore. Are we going to have an entire generation of lesbians?’
Insisting that she was not anti-homosexual, she said: ‘I have nothing against lesbians or homosexuals personally. On a personal front, I’ve ministered, I’ve counselled them.
‘They are in pain. And very often from families where you have abusive fathers, they do things with their daughters and the daughters revolt, rebel against society.
‘We understand this is what it’s all about.’
Dr Thio said that Aware was formed 26 years ago by her contemporaries and friends, and had done great work in many areas.
But she noted that its membership had dropped from about 700 in 1998 to around 200 in 2006.
She was dismayed that at the annual general meeting in 2008, there was a move to give men the right to vote ‘in a women’s organisation where the objective is to represent all the women of Singapore’.
Only 25 people attended that AGM. The motion was defeated, but reappeared on the agenda at the AGM last month.
She then started looking into the affairs of Aware to see what was going on at the organisation set up by her friends.
She said that there were many women’s issues that needed to be looked into, and cited the need to ensure that retrenched women are dealt with fairly.
‘I find to my dismay that Aware seems to be only very interested in lesbianism and the advancement of homosexuality, which is a man’s issue,’ she said.
She felt this matter had to be discussed, but Aware should focus on going back to look after all women in Singapore.
‘Can we re-focus on the excellent objectives of Aware? Go back to its original purpose for it being an NGO?’ she asked.
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From Today:
Membership shoots up:
Aware’s membership numbers have swelled so much in the run-up to its extraordinary general meeting on May 2 that the women’s advocacy group has to find a new venue to hold it.
“As of Wednesday, our membership has gone up to 880 (and) the place we have booked doesn’t seem big enough,” said honorary treasurer Maureen Ong.
Aware membership stood at 400 last week.
The meeting, which is supposed to address the rift between the old guard and the new leadership, will nevertheless go ahead as scheduled, she confirmed. Plans are under way to look for an alternative venue.
Read also:
Locks changed, Aware centre manager fired
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GREAT! DR THIO SU MIEN IS SHOWING HER FACE!
Welcome, Feminist Mentor Dr Thio! You are a caring, gallant and a courageous woman! You are a God-sent. I am so much clearer now with your explanation with the facts and fighures and your lucid narrative. Good job!
To those who do not know her well, let me attempt a bit of introduction. She is that rare breed and an epitome of the ideal feminity. She obtained a First Class Honours for her law degree from NUS (a first for a woman). Not surprisingly, she went on to become the first woman dean of NUS law Faculty.
She is the mother of that very brainy and gifted Dr Thio Li-ann, a current law professor in NUS. Like mother, like daughter—another rarity!
In her younger days, Dr Thio Su-mien was also a very pretty woman. If she had taken part in a beauty contest, no problem she would win also. Beauty and the brain—that would have been her fitting epithet! Certainly a rare and courageous woman that Singapore must have more—in our morally and spiritually perilous times like this!
God bless you, gallant woman!
43) WeiHan on April 24th, 2009 3.32 pm
Totally agree with you. The core foundation of the old AWARE is still there. This incident will give them greater resolve to work on areas they have the passion for. The new group, even they win the EOGM will arouse suspicion and doubt on their sincerity. Netizens will still want to probe whether they are a bunch of liars. The truth will finally emerge. It’s a matter of time.
There seems to be a prob in our legal education, if people like TSM can get away with her statements. Where is the notion of evidence backing up statements?
1 ‘Aware had lost sight of its original purpose and become pro-lesbian and pro-homosexual’ – The last time I checked, AWARE was still called the the Association of Women for Action and Research. Was there a recent name revision to Association of Female Heterosexuals for Action and Research? Dictionary.com gives one an excellent definition of what a woman is. Sexuality is hardly mentioned in the definition;
2 ‘Introducing herself as a ‘feminist mentor’ to working women’ – Again, dictionary.com gives the following definition “the doctrine advocating social, political, and all other rights of women equal to those of men” Nowhere was there mention of sexuality. A feminist works for women, not for sexuality. Don’t use words you don’t understand TSM. Anyway the COOS does not have equal status for women against men, check their bible study material online. Mentoring them for years? Feminist mentor mentoring a bunch of women who readily accepts subjugation? Where’s the disjunct? Who’s confused?
3 ‘she began urging women she knew to challenge Aware’s attempts to redefine marriage and families’ – last time I checked, homosexuality marriages are not legal. So where is the redefinition?
4 ‘Dr Thio said she went on to discover that in Aware’s comprehensive sexuality education programme, which is taken to schools, homosexuality is regarded as a neutral word, not a negative word.’ – why is homosexuality a non-neutral word. Is it supposed to be negative? By who’s standards?
5 ‘‘So I’m a concerned citizen and if people are so ignorant, I think I want to teach them.’ – So ex-Dean of Law wants to teach the ignorant? Does she miss her teaching profession? There are many ignorant people around, why don’t you start by teaching that democracy usually comes with civil and political rights to speech, assembly and association.
6 ‘‘And this is something which should concern parents in Singapore. Are we going to have an entire generation of lesbians?’’ – Thanks TSM for your concerns, but I feel assured that if we as Singaporeans are truly moving down that road, at least there are people like you to continue the struggle to procreate.
7 ‘‘They are in pain. And very often from families where you have abusive fathers, they do things with their daughters and the daughters revolt, rebel against society.’ – Science have not been able to explain the instances of homosexuality. It could have been a nurture problem, but it could very well haven been nature. Research shows that out of 10 male sheep, 1 of them would go for another male sheep instead of a female one. Have that sheep’s parents been touching it? Historical figures shows that even if homosexuality is legalised, the instances of homosexuality remains constant at 10%. It can be traced all the way back to the classical age of the Greeks.
I am of the humble opinion that to truly fight for equality for women, you need men. The sad fact of the matter is that men wield more power than women in society, in politics, in the economy. Taking the feminist route for equality will almost ensure resistance at every corner. Kenya’s Men for Change has shown you how effective male-led advocacy for women can be. India’s bra-burning types have been subjected to violence whilst other less extreme women self-help groups in Adhara Pradesh are making great strides in equality.
On a parting note, since TSM has been mentoring the AWARE committee and is so knowledgeable about the issues around, let’s put forth a motion to make her MM (Aware Member Mentor). She is, after all, 71.
Dear All
I can’t believe it, the threats were from a “masculine gay” who is part of a ” jihadist sleeper cell,” Last I checked JI’s ideology did not allow for tolerance of gays and they were very much focused on Anti West, Anti everything including the liberal lifestyle which Josie and her pussy cats are against.
Lies built on lies, deception built on deception, what crap
Locke
Peace @ #48 – when confronted with over-whelming evidence, what do you do? Dig a bigger hole? Stick your head into the sand?
The biggest irony in this whole sorry episode is that the new team, by hijacking a secular NGO for their clearly sectarian interests, had done more to promote LGBT and to engender sympathies for them than the LGBTs can ever achieve on their own.
God works in mysterious ways indeed.
#48 Peace?
“hope you are not a spider liliy in disguise.”
What is spider lily?
” Your interest in seeing the old women restored is unfliching. Hope it is not because of the removal of your benefactor that motivates you to be vocal and fervent in your outcry .”
Huh? Who is my benefactor?
I’m an upright, average woman who does not have the resources to help the destitute (that’s why I respect and appreciate what the old guards have done for them). Fyi, I do not know any of the old guards, and as I said: I’m an average woman. I do not need to seek help from anyone.
“Lesbainism is an illness and the only solultion is to seek a cure and not temporary cure which calls for yielding and gratification of your body.”
??? I do not know what rubbish you’re uttering!
Is it because Gemami has expressed that my comments “moved him most and got him to reflect deeper on his position”? You feel you’ve lost a comrade because of me?
I can tell you that what got him to reflect deeper on his position is his own sense of righteousness. He simply shares mine, that’s all.
You can’t go around making false accusations on people who do not support your irrational arguments.
T #55,
what do the emails prove? Conspiracy?
What is wrong with hijacking, if you want to use the word? Was it hijacked illegally, undemocratically, unconstitutionally?
Why the number dropped to 200 after 24 years.if the old comm did a good job? Look, memebers were growing disenchanted, disallussioned with the old women who strayed from their core agenda.
God didn’t work with the old committee.So it is no mystery the old AWARE was forsaken but mercifully not destroyed like Sodom and Gomorrah. Take off your tinted glass so that you get a truer perspective.
#48 Peace “hope you are not a spider liliy in disguise. Your interest in seeing the old women restored is unfliching. Hope it is not because of the removal of your benefactor that motivates you to be vocal and fervent in your outcry .Lesbainism is an illness and the only solultion is to seek a cure and not temporary cure which calls for yielding and gratification of your body.”
???
What are you trying to imply? Seriously, I do not know what exactly the term ‘spider lily’ refers to, but the second part of your words… If you’re asking if I’m a lesbian, the answer is ‘NO’.
The gays and lesbians – I think many are harmless. If you can’t agree with them, at least respect them as fellow human beings.
Please lah, get back to the debate on what Josie and gang are up to.
what bigotry and patronising codswallop fromsuch a highly educated woman. Its shocking from someone claiming to be a christian yet hold such negative view on another human simply because they have alternative preferences. Did the christian faith not advocate love and compassion to everyone alike or are gays and lesbians lesser humans than your heterosexual. By the way I am one and married …. so noone can accuse me of being biased
It was mentioned in the Straits Times that Dr Thio Su Mien said the following :
Pointing out that Aware’s programme was already in 30 schools, she said: ‘The suggestion is that in this programme, young girls from 12 to 18 are taught that it’s okay to experiment with each other.
For her to have make such a statement at a press conference, either
a) she has personally witnessed the conduct of such a programme in school; or
b) she has reviewed the teaching materials used for this programme; or
c) she has received feedback from students/parents of students who had attended the programme.
This is a very serious allegation. The 30 schools concerned must now response to this allegation. If not, then the public will have to assumed what Dr Thio alleged is true.
If it is true, then the principals of the 30 schools concerned must be held responsible for allowing such suggestions to be taught. The role of the Ministry of Education in this must also be explained and held accountable.
For topics such as sexual education, one would expect either MOE or the school principals or designated teachers of the schools to have vetted the materials to be taught to childrens. In addition, one would expect a teacher to be present during the conduct of the programme to ensure that the speaker did not introduce unapproved topics for a programme as important as sexual education.
If MOE or the schools have vetted the materials, does that imply they approve the materials ? If they have approved the materials, does that imply they approve lesbian behaviour as Dr Thio had implied in her statement. If not, then why not ? The believe the parents of students of those 30 schools would like to know.
The implication of Dr Thio’s allegation is there is a dereliction of duty on the part of MOE and/or the 30 schools concerned.
MOE and the 30 schools concerned must now clarify the actual situation with regard to the sexual education programmes being conducted in these shcools.
i believe the ministers does not receive death threats as often as these group of people do.
what they have done must have infuriated many people.
I hope the new guard wouldn’t start to educate people using missionary position. hahaha.
44) la nausée on April 24th, 2009 2.44 pm ,
try repeal 377A and the floodgate lifted it will be like the 7th hungry ghost .The gate of hell opens and out rush the gays exhibiting their life style at every corner of singapore. But becuase it is criminal this keeps the lid on. Maybe you don’t travel in public transport, you see them quite often, young lesbians, gays, hugging, stroking each other to embarrassment of some conservative commuters.
#63) Peace on April 25th, 2009 12.17 am
No one is talking about 377A here. Stop trying to distract from the issue of hijacking AWARE for narrow-minded bigoted reasons by these fundies.
And I travel in public transport everyday. That’s hilarious what you say, really funny, most of the time, the train is so crowded how the hell can anyone engage in some serious fondling. But thanks for a good laugh.
Peace,
Can you tell me which bus or mrt line you take everyday so I can go and watch? I’m so sick of seeing young straight students hugging and stroking each other on public transport, it’s time for a change.
Also please kindly, if you know, point me to any places which old fags and dykes openly fornicate because it’s a spectacle I’ve never seen before in all my years of existence in Singapore.
Oh. And hugs.
PIECE, there is so much free entertainment on public buses, meh? Bet you started sweating and squirmed ever so slightly in your seat. See a gay at every corner?
Reminds me of an old schoolfriend – xtian, lawyer- I met for lunch. A couple of men got into the lift with us at the hotel. I carried on conversing with her, though her face went a bit tight. The moment the men exited, she was all “them gays are everyway and so damn blatant about it” .
You know, those two guys were perfectly normal and GAVE ABSOLUTELY NO INDICATION of being gays (well apart, from wearing rather shiny, tight t-shirts). When I remonstrated that we, two women together could just as easily be mistaken for a couple of lesbians, she just laughed wildly. She bitterly resented sharing public space with those two men. What’s with (some) xtians and homosexuality? It’s learned prejudice; she wasnt so bad when we were in JC and definitely a couple of the boys we knew were gay.
@Peace (#63), who said: “Maybe you don’t travel in public transport, you see them quite often, young lesbians, gays, hugging, stroking each other to embarrassment of some conservative commuters.”
Like Zefly (#65) said, you mean straight couples don’t openly make out on our public transport, HDB void decks and lift landings, public parks and beaches, etc.? If your opposition to decriminalizing MSM is based on its alleged causal link to sex in public places, then your claim doesn’t hold water. Besides, we already have the Miscellaneous Offences (Public Order and Nuisance) Act to deal with public nudity and the Penal Code to deal with outrages to modesty against women, so why the need for 377A to prevent public displays of sexuality?
In reality, your support for 377A is based on a visceral disgust towards homosexual sex, so that in your view it deserves to be singled out for differential treatment. If so, I wish you’d state that openly, rather than throwing up that ol’ smokescreen of how 377A deters ‘fornication in the streets’.
Peace,
[quote]Why the number dropped to 200 after 24 years?[/quote]
You ever seen the Stephen Chow movie, King of Beggars? At the end of the show, he said to the Emperor, that the size of his sect is determined by the Emperor and not him. For if he manages the country well, and everyone is wealthy, why would anyone want to be a beggar?
So when you asked why the number has dropped…
could it be that most women have already been helped?
Most women felt that they have achieved equal status and AWARE is out of their minds as a result?
HT’,
don’t try to split your hairs , you know what i mean.
Oh , you only travel in packed train. I understand why.How could you notice when you are so engrossed in your own world? Poor 9-5 worker, no chance to watch PDA.
Zefly,
don’t be like HT above, he travels in packed train only. He misses all the actions of young lesbaian or gays performing PDA . I didn’t know you are keen at old fags or old hags conjugating ,just look outside your door, you might find a couple.I guess as much , you are just existing and not living. it is a wonder you notice anything like that in your neigbourhood… You deserve a hug from behind , by your protege the old AWARE is championing.
to (36) your series of emails are really revealing….. if they are genuiue, these people are………..first a group of 6, then come with Dr Thio, then now a pastor….what more to come??? there is this lettter to be circulated to church members, but i dont receive the so called letter, so does the church also have an exclusive and inclusive list for their membership……….I ask because my husband and i didnt receive………..
When Dr Thio mentioned that the Old Aware are her comtemporaries and friends…then why can’t she bring her concerns directly to her so called comtemp and friends, why would she wants to do a thing like that behind friends?????? now this is becoming friend betrayed friends…..no wonder Constance Singam tears…..Hey Dr Thio, would you like your friend betrayed you or stabbng you at your back??????
To COOS, isn’t COOS supposed to spread the words of GOD??? why is COOS getting itself involve with the AWARE saga???? is the pastor jia pa kar eng bo tai ji chor????? does COOS only serve Dr Thio and gang or the general public who are attending the church??????
to continue (60)
Dr Thio and her like minded, There are many ways to a problem ( if there is a problem), why choose the worst way to address it???? Now you have indirectly dragged in MOE and 30 schools which are using the AWARE’s programme, are you saying they are all wrong and you are the only right?????? Have you personally done your check and balance before you shoot your bullets……… make sure you dont make a baseless accusation hor…….
Concerned citizen??
A great mistake had already been made if one supported and choose someone who hold a senior position but does not show good example and do not take simple instruction , to be a leader.
Someone who told her subordinate who are single that the best place to look for a partner is at a certain places of worship.Such leaders are a threat to society and I even feel that ISD should look into it.
While one can claim that there are signs that the old team is promoting lesbian or homo ,one should also be able to tell the sign of someone having something to promote behind the scene.
She’s the ignoramus and it’s pathetic that she can’t see it.
Acting like a typically self righteous born again Christian.
*rolls eyes*
“Masculine gay” from a “jihadist sleeper cell?” Sounds like something written by Alfian Sa’at to me.
Looks like the Thio family is more influential than the ruling LEE family when it comes to social mores & acceptable standards of behaviour among Sporeans!
Some observations:
1) Josie Lau is still with DBS. Does this mean that DBS has also been muted by the Thio family too? Wow, the Thio family is very powerful if that’s the case. As general consensus goes, Josie Lau really crossed the line when she acted like a screaming banshee when she called in the contractors to install electronic gates to prevent Old Aware members from getting in. That show of utter militancy is also her true character & why is DBS allowing such a person to continue heading the credit cards department? Does DBS allow militancy executives to promote their irrational behaviour within the organization?
2) Are certain PAP members also active members of this church that the majority of New Aware members attend & are on their side, hence the nonchalant attitude towards New Aware high handed tactics? The press statements on Sat 15 April in ST seems to show nonchalance towards this uncharitable act of Christians behaving like spoilt brats & spilling over onto false accusations of the way Sporeans should abide by a certain code of conduct propagated by a church. Registrar of Societies should step in & wave a red flag at the New Aware Committee.
3) New Aware showed its true colors by revealing how parochial they are in their views on women welfare and the word done by Old Aware thru 2 decades. These militant religious group simply chose to highlight isolated incidents & blew them up like mega issues that were life & death matters for New Aware! Looks like they learnt a lot from the ruling gahment on character assasination, learn to sieve minute details & make them as glaring as possible.
4) the public backlash is gaining more momentum now that the Thio family show how conniving they are. They probably underestimated the fact that they are held in high esteem since their daughter served as an NMP. In fact, nobody thinks highly of that Thio NMP too even though she thinks she is damn good. Bah!
Oops re Point 2 above should read as “press statements on Sat 25 April” NOT 15 April.
Quote, Insisting that she was not anti-homosexual, she said: ‘I have nothing against lesbians or homosexuals personally. On a personal front, I’ve ministered, I’ve counselled them.
‘They are in pain. And very often from families where you have abusive fathers, they do things with their daughters and the daughters revolt, rebel against society.
‘We understand this is what it’s all about.’ Unquote.
A bit arrogant huh. Conflating homosexuality with family abuse? And isn’t she pro-family?
“‘So I’m a concerned citizen and if people are so ignorant, I think I want to teach them.’”
Change that to missionary and poof you have your overzealous evangelist.
this new Exco is a threat to the very social fabric of S’pore. they have tarnished themselves & their religion.
since a handfull of the Exco are from the same church, this issue makes me wonder what that church preaches… this is very, very disturbing.
#48 Peace
Being a medical doctor i can assure you that lesbianism is NOT an illness, not by any psychological or physical definition.
Stop mixing religion with politics and the affairs of the state. As an NGO AWARE is supposed to take an impartial stand on the issues they deal with.
With a mad(wo)man heading the association it signals the downfall of society if we let her get away with what she does. It’s the same issue with Lee Bee Hua and her Olympics table tennis hooha. If we let these individuals go ahead and impose their perceived moral values on everyone of us (to the Extent of calling us IGnorant) surely we are a bunch of couch potatoes who sit down and watch the show unfold without intervening when we have the chance.
Therefore i urge every woman who is able and willing to stand up for her rights, both personal and for the state to speak out against these “dictators” before they start taking over your lives.
Well, Dr Alan Chin (TSM’s nephew) can also say “Being a medical doctor i can assure you that lesbianism IS an illness”, and such a serious one that we need to use stealth and stormtrooper tactics to “cure” them.
They say USA is turning to a muslim state, we can say SG is turning to a Christian state.
You can’t pray away the gay, sorry. Nor can you cure it. Even China has decided that homosexuality can no longer be considered a mental illness; is the village mentality of some Singaporeans such that they have yet to update themselves on this fact? I shudder to imagine Dr Thio Su-mien’s brand of feminism with the way she jabs that big red morality panic button with the warning that merely acknowledging the biological basis of homosexuality will turn Singapore, particularly Singaporean womanhood, into a nation of flaming queers. ‘Police the women! Make sure 100% of them remain the good baby-making machines they are.’ Her focus on male homosexual activists and women with no agency, who are susceptible to ‘corruption’ by non-patriarchal ideologies, exposes her beliefs for what they are: fundamentalist, anti-choice (forget that pretty phrase, ‘pro-family’) and misogynistic.
Peace,
“public transport, you see them quite often, young lesbians, gays, hugging, stroking each other to embarrassment of some conservative commuters.”
Haha, this is super retarded. I take the public transport everyday and I have never seen such stuff. Besides, asians care a lot about FACE. I bet you’re chauffeured around in taxis and cars and never took a public transport before. Spoilt rich brats makes me laugh..
75) Xavier M.D on April 25th, 2009 12.11 pm
so you think that gays and lesbians are normal people and their way of life is normal. Same sex marriage is acceptable becuase they need love too?
I am no doctor and you don’t need to be a doctor to know they are not normal. There is something wrong and if you start from that premise maybe a way can be found to help them instead of telling them what they are doing is cool, fashionable and all students should emulate. Don’t worry, freely express your sexuality any where and any time you please. You don’t need condoms anyway but on second thought better to carry them just in case one party may be carry HIVs instead of condoms.
No wonder , birthrate is declining and population is aging.
Peace, sometimes it doesn’t hurt to think more rationally. All the education we get in SIngapore… unfortunately… seems to elude you. Gays are not normal but they are not abnormal. Remember not all religions started orthodox and normal.
Parents like us are not ignorant. It’s lawyers like you who needs a power, money and social status check. You already have everything and yet the hunger for more consumes you. After FEMINIST MENTOR. would you like a MINISTER MENTOR?
#79 Peace
That’s really funny, Peace. Thanks for the post. You really crack me up. Yup, as everyone knows, Japan (with the largest aging population) is swarming with gays. Must be all that sushi they eat, the wasabi causes the deadly disease, gaytitis.
to “79) Peace”
I would point out that insisting muleheadedly something is deviant and wrong, in the face of medical evidence AND lack of proof to the contrary, is irrational. I would also suggest that jumping to conclusions, that accepting homosexuality is a neutral fact, constitutes ‘promoting’ it (homosexuality) as cool and fashionable, has no logical link. I would also express my confusion over how declining birthrates have got anything to do with homosexuals, because it’s heterosexual couples’ fault they aren’t making babies or don’t want them.
But I wouldn’t bother, because verbose, irrational people who refuse to listen to people far more educated than I, won’t listen to me.
plopp, HT , haha
It is no mystery why birth rate is falling. Not much heteroesexual copulation. Anal sex is not copulation with procreation in mind. it is sensually sexual lifestyle something made popular by gays. If heterosexuals are caught up with this lifestyle how is birth rate helped. Anal sex CANNOT increase the birth rate. Same sex marriage CANNOT increase birth rate. Condoms CANNOT increase the birth rate. Oral sex CANNOT increase birth rate. Abortion kills the birth rate. Copulation is reduced sensual pleasure is increased. All these indulgences increase HIVs.
Re 84) Peace – Yr obsession with birth rates & ‘sensually sexual lifestyle’ made popular by gays’ is quite extraordinary, to say the very least.
How do you know so much abt anal sex, oral sex, etc,etc???
Are you one of those habitually jerk off to the ‘sensually sexual’ stuff u see often on Internet porn- in secret, of course? ;-)
Little wonder you are so obsessed with such things.
And how you come to define gays/ lesbians only by smut like these. ..fyi dear, those ppl are just GAY-FOR-PAY- meaning people pay them big money for to perform (commercial) same-sex. Don’t take those too seriously, most of the time they are heteros in real life… . better get yr head out of all these sex-stuff,-
and sex porn lol- or before long all yr neuro-reflexes & even yr brain will be hijacked by the stubborn wilfullness of yr dick, if it already isn’t happening to you now. ;-)
84) Peace on April 26th, 2009 4.11 pm
you there!
troll!
yeah you!
“I am no doctor”
=> evidently
“Condoms CANNOT increase the birth rate.”
“All these indulgences increase HIVs.”
=> and hetero sex WITHOUT condoms doesn’t? It’s so bad and stupid, it’s hilarious.
People, trolls are not worth more than a line or two. Peace obviously has problems putting on its shoes every morning. Let us not give it more attention than it has already received.
cheers.
re 85) Peace
why are you bringing the issue of falling birthrates into this Aware saga? do you think Aware should be responsible for the falling birthrates? lol.
there are many factors affecting birth rates. must we legislate our women to give birth by a certain age? NS ah?
you have a very warped mind…
No wonder , birthrate is declining and population is aging.: Peace.
Let be put your theory of homosexuals being the reason for our declining birth rates to rest.
In May 2000, MP Dr Wang Kai Yuen warned: ”A nation that cannot revert its declining birth rate is effectively committing collective suicide”. The root of the problem lies in the perceptions of young women toward family life, he argued. – http://www.atimes.com/se-asia/BE02Ae02.html
For many young Singaporeans with well-paid professional jobs and career ambitions, child rearing, and even marriage, takes lower priority.
”The amount of stress and commitments required in marriage and having children can put off modern Singaporean women”
“…we are living in a very fast-paced lifestyle where there are too many materialistic wants. Starting a family may mean compromising such wants.”
“… the declining birth rates are due to the high cost of living in Singapore and its demanding education system”.
The above are but three oft-heard comments on declining birthrate and reported by Asia Times in 2000.
Dana Lam-Teo, president AWARE, argued that the root of the problem is societal values and attitudes and the decision to have a baby is a private one between two people. ”Their values and expectations from life come into play,” she said in an interview. ”The national environment equally plays a part in that decision.”
Dana argued that the government must come up with more pro-family policies such as a five-day week in the public service, so couples have more time with children; more family-oriented workplace policies such as longer maternity leave and sick-child leave, and quality childcare at the workplace.
Then PM LKY drew attention to the increasing number of single graduate women.
Sociologist Dr Paulin Tay Straughan argued that Singapore’s mindset about work and family time needs to change before the downward trend of fertility rates can be reversed. ”Society must recognise the importance of family time,” she said. ”It cannot be seen as surplus work time.”.
There is no mention of the homosexual implication.
The second part of your claim, that homosexuals are the cause of an aging population … “ No …… population is aging“, reflects the disposition you are now in – desperate! You are desperate to not face the truth that lies before you.
Read your statement again; and tell us how you attribute the aging population to homosexuality?
No wonder , birthrate is declining and population is aging.: Peace.
I’ve got a theory where Peace may have a valid point after all:
Homosexuality is aging the population;
by being material for the bigots (like Dr Thio) to give the rest of us white hairs in combating misinformation and intolerance.
heh.
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How do you find time to write a blog?
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