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		<title>By: Loosen stranglehold before providing political education &#124; Sgpolitics.net</title>
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		<dc:creator>Loosen stranglehold before providing political education &#124; Sgpolitics.net</dc:creator>
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		<title>By: Loosen stranglehold before providing political education &#124; The Online Citizen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Loosen stranglehold before providing political education &#124; The Online Citizen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Dec 2009 04:06:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: siva p k</title>
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		<dc:creator>siva p k</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Aug 2009 17:54:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I grew up in Johore Bahru and went to school with Juliet Chin first at the Convent and then in Johor English College. We travelled to KL and she went on to Singapore. 
The Juliet i knew was soft spoken, clever in her studies and a very talented artist. The last sketch she did of me for me was of me as i appeard in a black and white minstrel school show. I have never known her to be malicious or evil. She was gentle, she never harmed anyone and for 13 years we were in the same school, growing up, dreaming dreams ...  i wish her well wherever she might be, i would also like to see her again, my friend juliet with her glasses and the smile.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I grew up in Johore Bahru and went to school with Juliet Chin first at the Convent and then in Johor English College. We travelled to KL and she went on to Singapore.<br />
The Juliet i knew was soft spoken, clever in her studies and a very talented artist. The last sketch she did of me for me was of me as i appeard in a black and white minstrel school show. I have never known her to be malicious or evil. She was gentle, she never harmed anyone and for 13 years we were in the same school, growing up, dreaming dreams &#8230;  i wish her well wherever she might be, i would also like to see her again, my friend juliet with her glasses and the smile.</p>
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		<title>By: 1cent</title>
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		<dc:creator>1cent</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Apr 2009 16:32:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Activism is really an expression of opinions. In the west, governments see it and an important way to get feedback from their citizens to improve the way they lead the country. I like to equate it to maufacturers having a warranty policy for their products. Warranties will cost the manufacturers money but it is the best form of information that they can get to find the weakest component in their products in actual use. Similarly, governments need to realise that no matter how inteligent and well thought out their policies are, the way they work out in the real world may be different. Allowing the public to express themselves is often the only way governments can find out what can be improved. Having found out the flaws, a timely and honest response usually serves to diffuse the tension even though the policy was not reversed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Activism is really an expression of opinions. In the west, governments see it and an important way to get feedback from their citizens to improve the way they lead the country. I like to equate it to maufacturers having a warranty policy for their products. Warranties will cost the manufacturers money but it is the best form of information that they can get to find the weakest component in their products in actual use. Similarly, governments need to realise that no matter how inteligent and well thought out their policies are, the way they work out in the real world may be different. Allowing the public to express themselves is often the only way governments can find out what can be improved. Having found out the flaws, a timely and honest response usually serves to diffuse the tension even though the policy was not reversed.</p>
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		<title>By: J0e</title>
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		<dc:creator>J0e</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 25 Apr 2009 09:59:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Three cheers for environmental activism.</description>
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		<title>By: Tim</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Apr 2009 16:54:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In Australia, there&#039;s loads of different type of student groups and a student presidency where board members can stand for election every year. Here, there are Labor and Liberal student groups as well.

And these folks know the federal tax system pretty well....all I can say is that student activism is something that helps young people to understand things better- even if many aren&#039;t going into politics. I mean, even President Obama was once a student activist in his uni days- before he became a community organiser. Look what happened to him...surely his experience helped him.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In Australia, there&#8217;s loads of different type of student groups and a student presidency where board members can stand for election every year. Here, there are Labor and Liberal student groups as well.</p>
<p>And these folks know the federal tax system pretty well&#8230;.all I can say is that student activism is something that helps young people to understand things better- even if many aren&#8217;t going into politics. I mean, even President Obama was once a student activist in his uni days- before he became a community organiser. Look what happened to him&#8230;surely his experience helped him.</p>
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		<title>By: Donaldson Tan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Donaldson Tan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Apr 2009 05:43:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Mervyn,

I agree with what was written in the Young PAP article. The School Administration of Singapore Polytechnic was very hard handed in dealing with my younger brother when he led a campaign to separate the student union from the school administration few years ago. Lawyers were involved.

Think about it - if our student leaders are made to cooperate with the school administration in a non-confrontational way, then it is very likely that future trade union leaders will also behave similarly. If we are sick with NTUC’s non-confrontational tripartism, then we have to first liberalise our student unions first</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Mervyn,</p>
<p>I agree with what was written in the Young PAP article. The School Administration of Singapore Polytechnic was very hard handed in dealing with my younger brother when he led a campaign to separate the student union from the school administration few years ago. Lawyers were involved.</p>
<p>Think about it &#8211; if our student leaders are made to cooperate with the school administration in a non-confrontational way, then it is very likely that future trade union leaders will also behave similarly. If we are sick with NTUC’s non-confrontational tripartism, then we have to first liberalise our student unions first</p>
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		<title>By: Mervyn</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mervyn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Apr 2009 00:38:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A very timely and analytical article. I agree with your stand. Here is a related article for your reading pleasure:
http://www.youngpap.org.sg/articleview.php?id=156&amp;mode=incubator&amp;cid=8</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A very timely and analytical article. I agree with your stand. Here is a related article for your reading pleasure:<br />
<a href="http://www.youngpap.org.sg/articleview.php?id=156&#038;mode=incubator&#038;cid=8" rel="nofollow">http://www.youngpap.org.sg/articleview.php?id=156&#038;mode=incubator&#038;cid=8</a></p>
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		<title>By: Left-Wing Liberal</title>
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		<dc:creator>Left-Wing Liberal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Apr 2009 19:58:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have been asked many times in the past by &quot;elders&quot; about &quot;The papers says that students are political apathetic, what do you think&quot;, and I always tell them the same thing: &quot;What have you done to advance politics in Singapore?&quot;

Stop labeling the youths, political apathy is something that inflicts all Singaporeans, or which the older generation is not immune. In fact, it is my generation that has started to speak out, the alleged &quot;Gen Y&quot;, against government policies. What has the Gen X done for politics post 1975? Nod their heads and vote majority every election? 

You want real change, wait till my generation becomes the bulk of the voters.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have been asked many times in the past by &#8220;elders&#8221; about &#8220;The papers says that students are political apathetic, what do you think&#8221;, and I always tell them the same thing: &#8220;What have you done to advance politics in Singapore?&#8221;</p>
<p>Stop labeling the youths, political apathy is something that inflicts all Singaporeans, or which the older generation is not immune. In fact, it is my generation that has started to speak out, the alleged &#8220;Gen Y&#8221;, against government policies. What has the Gen X done for politics post 1975? Nod their heads and vote majority every election? </p>
<p>You want real change, wait till my generation becomes the bulk of the voters.</p>
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		<title>By: Zheng Xi</title>
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		<dc:creator>Zheng Xi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Apr 2009 08:27:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Gabriel,

Interesting anecdote. Could you tell us more about what the mood was like on campus back then amongst the students? Or some insight on how the admin was reacting to student dissatisfaction?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Gabriel,</p>
<p>Interesting anecdote. Could you tell us more about what the mood was like on campus back then amongst the students? Or some insight on how the admin was reacting to student dissatisfaction?</p>
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		<title>By: X-&#124;</title>
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		<dc:creator>X-&#124;</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Apr 2009 05:30:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think any petition for fare subsidies can only be made more persuasive if: (a) the source of funding is also proposed, (b) how the subsidies can be sustained shown.

Otherwise, it will still sound like a bottomless request for money, and the request will turn a deaf ear.

Likewise, any push for additional benefits to labour must be justified. If the &quot;market price&quot; is not used to justify, then some other common ground must be used to set the &quot;fair price&quot;. Otherwise, it will still look like another bottomless demand, and the whole effort will be futile.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think any petition for fare subsidies can only be made more persuasive if: (a) the source of funding is also proposed, (b) how the subsidies can be sustained shown.</p>
<p>Otherwise, it will still sound like a bottomless request for money, and the request will turn a deaf ear.</p>
<p>Likewise, any push for additional benefits to labour must be justified. If the &#8220;market price&#8221; is not used to justify, then some other common ground must be used to set the &#8220;fair price&#8221;. Otherwise, it will still look like another bottomless demand, and the whole effort will be futile.</p>
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		<title>By: GABRIEL</title>
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		<dc:creator>GABRIEL</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Apr 2009 05:03:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Years ago, when Dr Chee Soon Juan was a lecturer at the NUS, one of his students asked me for advice -- whether she should help launch a petition in his defence against what she and her cohort perceived as government persecution of a lecturer much admired and respected by his students.
I told her that she  could do what her heart was telling her to do: Go ahead and sign the petition -- as it was very much an emotional issue. But I also told her that she should think with her head: If she wanted to be a teacher, as were her intentions, being part of a petition to save Dr Chee, would land her in hot water. She might not be able to realise her ambitions of becoming a teacher.
She followed her head. She is today a teacher.
I wonder whether Dr Chee &#039;s fate could have turned out differently: If she and her fellow students had rallied to his cause.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Years ago, when Dr Chee Soon Juan was a lecturer at the NUS, one of his students asked me for advice &#8212; whether she should help launch a petition in his defence against what she and her cohort perceived as government persecution of a lecturer much admired and respected by his students.<br />
I told her that she  could do what her heart was telling her to do: Go ahead and sign the petition &#8212; as it was very much an emotional issue. But I also told her that she should think with her head: If she wanted to be a teacher, as were her intentions, being part of a petition to save Dr Chee, would land her in hot water. She might not be able to realise her ambitions of becoming a teacher.<br />
She followed her head. She is today a teacher.<br />
I wonder whether Dr Chee &#8216;s fate could have turned out differently: If she and her fellow students had rallied to his cause.</p>
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		<title>By: laamak</title>
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		<dc:creator>laamak</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Apr 2009 04:14:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To pinpoint the prob is easy bt to solve it is diff. No pt pointing ur finger @ PAP bt rather hw do u intend to solve the prob. Who doesnt knw there&#039;s a grp of elderly foraginf @ hawker ctr/rubbish bins looking for scrap metal to be sold for a few cents bt rather hw do u intwnd to solve the prob. If u r able to cme up with a better solution then more votes will cme ur way.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To pinpoint the prob is easy bt to solve it is diff. No pt pointing ur finger @ PAP bt rather hw do u intend to solve the prob. Who doesnt knw there&#8217;s a grp of elderly foraginf @ hawker ctr/rubbish bins looking for scrap metal to be sold for a few cents bt rather hw do u intwnd to solve the prob. If u r able to cme up with a better solution then more votes will cme ur way.</p>
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		<title>By: David</title>
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		<dc:creator>David</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Apr 2009 03:12:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I hope such petition is not just about transport fares,  there should be activisits on work place discrimination, salary exploitation without minimum wage protection, no forthcoming help for those Ah Ma or Ah Pa picking junks on the street for survival.  

Labour day should have broader implications, how much have our Govt done to help Singaporeans who lost their jobs? what has JCS and upgrading, training achieved todate for those PMET? are they better off or worst off with all these schemes in place.  

Graduates are not getting their dream jobs and were told to like what they do and not do what they like.  This sounds very upsetting for people who studied very hard with their parents hard-earned money and also underwent strenous streaming process to make them stand out but unfortunately, all their aspiration to contribute became an illusion and they, like any other odd job workers, have to accept blue collar jobs until the economy picks up (god knows when) under the current passive leadership.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I hope such petition is not just about transport fares,  there should be activisits on work place discrimination, salary exploitation without minimum wage protection, no forthcoming help for those Ah Ma or Ah Pa picking junks on the street for survival.  </p>
<p>Labour day should have broader implications, how much have our Govt done to help Singaporeans who lost their jobs? what has JCS and upgrading, training achieved todate for those PMET? are they better off or worst off with all these schemes in place.  </p>
<p>Graduates are not getting their dream jobs and were told to like what they do and not do what they like.  This sounds very upsetting for people who studied very hard with their parents hard-earned money and also underwent strenous streaming process to make them stand out but unfortunately, all their aspiration to contribute became an illusion and they, like any other odd job workers, have to accept blue collar jobs until the economy picks up (god knows when) under the current passive leadership.</p>
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		<title>By: Jackson Tan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jackson Tan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Apr 2009 02:05:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Over the past few years, I&#039;ve observed that the NUS Student Union has been more active in terms of promoting student welfare. Of course, given the tight rules governing their activities, their &quot;protests&quot; are more of cooperative activism, i.e. working with the university administration. And to their credit, there has been some results.

However, the most active arm of the union is actually its environmental activism arm. In the style of successful local environmentalism efforts, they have worked together with the administration to greatly improve the ecological impact of the NUS community.

So that being said, I think the scene of student activism in Singapore (or at least in NUS) has, under the influence of governing rules and policies, shifted away from confrontational methods to cooperative means. Has there been a drop in its impact, as a consequence? I do not know, since I did not live through the former period of student activism, but I can certainly say that the cooperative form does yield some results.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Over the past few years, I&#8217;ve observed that the NUS Student Union has been more active in terms of promoting student welfare. Of course, given the tight rules governing their activities, their &#8220;protests&#8221; are more of cooperative activism, i.e. working with the university administration. And to their credit, there has been some results.</p>
<p>However, the most active arm of the union is actually its environmental activism arm. In the style of successful local environmentalism efforts, they have worked together with the administration to greatly improve the ecological impact of the NUS community.</p>
<p>So that being said, I think the scene of student activism in Singapore (or at least in NUS) has, under the influence of governing rules and policies, shifted away from confrontational methods to cooperative means. Has there been a drop in its impact, as a consequence? I do not know, since I did not live through the former period of student activism, but I can certainly say that the cooperative form does yield some results.</p>
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