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	<title>Comments on: Will this be Singapore’s Lost Decade?</title>
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		<title>By: PG</title>
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		<dc:creator>PG</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Dec 2009 12:15:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Maybe for once instead of worrying about GDP and moneygrubbing , we should start having new ideas on economies and finance , which seem to have gone off the rails in recent years,
Also countries like Singapore that make large use of low paid foreign labour should have import taxes imposed on them in developed countries . They are making use of other countries populations , do not have a minimum wage , even for Singaporeans , so do not have the same overheads or restrictions as other countries.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Maybe for once instead of worrying about GDP and moneygrubbing , we should start having new ideas on economies and finance , which seem to have gone off the rails in recent years,<br />
Also countries like Singapore that make large use of low paid foreign labour should have import taxes imposed on them in developed countries . They are making use of other countries populations , do not have a minimum wage , even for Singaporeans , so do not have the same overheads or restrictions as other countries.</p>
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		<title>By: George</title>
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		<dc:creator>George</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Sep 2009 15:06:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Being a small island state with a population of  about 4.5m, local consumption alone will not support the local economy. Release the fund in CPF to the citizen will offer short term help but in the long and medium term, USA economy is the key. China and India may not be able to offer much as they are focus on manufacturing as well. Low consumption and high saving rate in China do not offer us a easy ride into that market.  This recession had opened up cracks in the gahment policies both domestic and export strategies. There is no quick fix solution unlike China which could could use its large reserve to build large capital projects as many part of China lack basic infrastructure . Sinkapore uses that strategy during the last recession hence the MRT. It is sad, the gahment had no fallback strategy other then reactive actions to mend small local issue. Long term planning for political succession to ensure  famiLee (PAP) continue stay in power was actively pursued.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Being a small island state with a population of  about 4.5m, local consumption alone will not support the local economy. Release the fund in CPF to the citizen will offer short term help but in the long and medium term, USA economy is the key. China and India may not be able to offer much as they are focus on manufacturing as well. Low consumption and high saving rate in China do not offer us a easy ride into that market.  This recession had opened up cracks in the gahment policies both domestic and export strategies. There is no quick fix solution unlike China which could could use its large reserve to build large capital projects as many part of China lack basic infrastructure . Sinkapore uses that strategy during the last recession hence the MRT. It is sad, the gahment had no fallback strategy other then reactive actions to mend small local issue. Long term planning for political succession to ensure  famiLee (PAP) continue stay in power was actively pursued.</p>
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		<title>By: Interesting prospects ahead for the opposition &#124; the kent ridge common</title>
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		<dc:creator>Interesting prospects ahead for the opposition &#124; the kent ridge common</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Apr 2009 03:39:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] sense that he understands the usefulness of an online media platform in supplanting his campaign. As a contributor to a prominent citizen journalist platform such The Online Citizen, he has articula...1) A minimum wage for old and young workers to prevent companies from importing cheap labor from [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] sense that he understands the usefulness of an online media platform in supplanting his campaign. As a contributor to a prominent citizen journalist platform such The Online Citizen, he has articula&#8230;1) A minimum wage for old and young workers to prevent companies from importing cheap labor from [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Rurehe</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rurehe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Apr 2009 12:58:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great article Ravi. 

I quit Singapore and I am now living in Indochina. 

Everything in Singapore reminds of my unhappy past and during this recession time there are too many sad faces in Sing to brighten my life. 

Though 69 years old I plant sugar cane and sell them at the local prices and hope to own an ethanol factory to turn out green energy. 

Ravi, come and see my farm. I will give you VIP treatment.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great article Ravi. </p>
<p>I quit Singapore and I am now living in Indochina. </p>
<p>Everything in Singapore reminds of my unhappy past and during this recession time there are too many sad faces in Sing to brighten my life. </p>
<p>Though 69 years old I plant sugar cane and sell them at the local prices and hope to own an ethanol factory to turn out green energy. </p>
<p>Ravi, come and see my farm. I will give you VIP treatment.</p>
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		<title>By: fiq</title>
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		<dc:creator>fiq</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Apr 2009 04:40:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>GO KJ! i wish you all the best in the upcoming GE! :D</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>GO KJ! i wish you all the best in the upcoming GE! :D</p>
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		<title>By: A&#38;E</title>
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		<dc:creator>A&#38;E</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Apr 2009 20:42:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Were you being ironic, Andrew? Your post is puzzling, taken at face value. Many countries have a system of social security. China is looking to reinforcing its own. In Europe, these systems have slowed and cushioned the effects of the recession thus far. The crisis wasn&#039;t caused by state welfare, either. Without de facto state welfare, the financial sector in the US would have gone thermonuclear last september. 

We need to examine all possibilities to get ourselves out of this hole we have dug ourselves into.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Were you being ironic, Andrew? Your post is puzzling, taken at face value. Many countries have a system of social security. China is looking to reinforcing its own. In Europe, these systems have slowed and cushioned the effects of the recession thus far. The crisis wasn&#8217;t caused by state welfare, either. Without de facto state welfare, the financial sector in the US would have gone thermonuclear last september. </p>
<p>We need to examine all possibilities to get ourselves out of this hole we have dug ourselves into.</p>
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		<title>By: SZ</title>
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		<dc:creator>SZ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Apr 2009 16:31:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>pancake, what you say may be quite True, just like Maslow has said, &quot;humans are wanting beings&quot; and those motivation theories may differ in terms of what are the needs and how it is trigger, but if we put it in singapore context, most Singaporeans can&#039;t even fulfill the bottom two needs which is psychological *food,shelter&quot; and safety &quot;security,stability&quot;, so perhaps that&#039;s why the motivation is at this level.  some people will say that shelter as a need has been fulfilled, as they have a HDB home to stay in, but how true is it? with the current cost of housing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>pancake, what you say may be quite True, just like Maslow has said, &#8220;humans are wanting beings&#8221; and those motivation theories may differ in terms of what are the needs and how it is trigger, but if we put it in singapore context, most Singaporeans can&#8217;t even fulfill the bottom two needs which is psychological *food,shelter&#8221; and safety &#8220;security,stability&#8221;, so perhaps that&#8217;s why the motivation is at this level.  some people will say that shelter as a need has been fulfilled, as they have a HDB home to stay in, but how true is it? with the current cost of housing.</p>
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		<title>By: pancake</title>
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		<dc:creator>pancake</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Apr 2009 15:55:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There&#039;s nothing inherantly wrong with a moderate form of welfare state, one which education, food and healthcare are provided fully by the state.i feel that one of a good reasons why people in western countries / japan etc are so creative and entrepreneural is that they know that their basic needs are taken care of by their government.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There&#8217;s nothing inherantly wrong with a moderate form of welfare state, one which education, food and healthcare are provided fully by the state.i feel that one of a good reasons why people in western countries / japan etc are so creative and entrepreneural is that they know that their basic needs are taken care of by their government.</p>
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		<title>By: godspeed</title>
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		<dc:creator>godspeed</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Apr 2009 13:47:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Superb article. KAJ should now focus more on the Reform Party website &amp; post more information there.  Not much had been done when it was managed by the Ex Chairman NTS.

Whats wrong with Elites joining the Opposition as commented.? Its getting better informed.  This is a media revolution.

Lets hope KAJ have some Prayers for Prosperity.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Superb article. KAJ should now focus more on the Reform Party website &amp; post more information there.  Not much had been done when it was managed by the Ex Chairman NTS.</p>
<p>Whats wrong with Elites joining the Opposition as commented.? Its getting better informed.  This is a media revolution.</p>
<p>Lets hope KAJ have some Prayers for Prosperity.</p>
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		<title>By: Tan Ah Kow</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tan Ah Kow</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Apr 2009 11:34:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Kenneth,

    At lot of what you have presented in your essay is not new. Many commentators ranging from the well-known economists (Paul Krugman, Alywin Young and Linda Lim) to non-professional, blogger types have already said essentially the same thing. The question is why has such views not sunk in?

    I don&#039;t have an aswer but as far as I can tell, it seemed that much of the Economics debate about Singapore seemed to revolved around a set of self-fulfilling prophecies that seemed to have grip (local professional economist) and the electorate in the main. 

(a) Singapore is too small -- this is often used as a convenient counter argument to shut any rationale alternative. For example, when the spector of increasing &quot;consumption&quot; is mooted, you will see the classic counter argument &quot;economy is too small&quot;. Somehow the notion of economic sustainability is often left out.

(b) High tech == good (success), low tech == bad (backward) -- the high tech-ness of Singapore is often presented as proof of success of the economy or as some kind of means to the nation&#039;s survival. So low tech activities are often overlook as &quot;growth&quot; potential. For example, BioTech at one time was seen as the growth engine and low tech like Shipbuilding sunset. Yet during the BioTech investment boom largely by the government, Shipbuilding was booming driven by demand rather than investment but seen as low tech left to wilther.

(c) Welfare bad. Another one of the classic counter argument used to put down alternative economic policy. In any rationale debate, all policy instruments including those that seemed to be &quot;Welfare&quot; in nature should be judge on cost-effectiveness basis. But in Singapore it seemed that anything smack of welfarism or is labelled so by old man LKY and his PAP stooge becomes a taboo.

(d) Saving is good, spending is bad. I supposed this attitude towards economic policy seemed to flow from the view that managing a household account is the same as managing a national account. Yet, in economics term, money is worthless when one talk about a national economy unless money is recycle for a purpose. Saving and debt are basically two side of the same coin. Neither is good or bad. Yet, the magic counter argument often deployed by people with wants to demolish alternative policy is the &quot;so-you-want-to-deplete-the-reserve&quot;!

(e) Economics is only for the people with economics degree. This is often the case when someone come up with alternative policy the first thing to attack is whether the originator of the policy has an economics degree or not, rather than whether the policy itself has merit or not. A useful insight about whether having a economics degree is helpful in understanding the economics is Alan Greenspan himself a train economics and a PhD holder admitted to not knowing what CDO was about. And non-economics or even university trained financial traders were able to understand CDO and implications for the economy. But I guess in Singapore, paper qualification is more important and the message itself.

   If my gut feeling about these self fulfilling prophecies are indeed true, the really the key questions raised by you is how do we get the message of an alternative model to the people especially the powers-that-be and the electorate (those that can vote)?

   Answers anyone?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kenneth,</p>
<p>    At lot of what you have presented in your essay is not new. Many commentators ranging from the well-known economists (Paul Krugman, Alywin Young and Linda Lim) to non-professional, blogger types have already said essentially the same thing. The question is why has such views not sunk in?</p>
<p>    I don&#8217;t have an aswer but as far as I can tell, it seemed that much of the Economics debate about Singapore seemed to revolved around a set of self-fulfilling prophecies that seemed to have grip (local professional economist) and the electorate in the main. </p>
<p>(a) Singapore is too small &#8212; this is often used as a convenient counter argument to shut any rationale alternative. For example, when the spector of increasing &#8220;consumption&#8221; is mooted, you will see the classic counter argument &#8220;economy is too small&#8221;. Somehow the notion of economic sustainability is often left out.</p>
<p>(b) High tech == good (success), low tech == bad (backward) &#8212; the high tech-ness of Singapore is often presented as proof of success of the economy or as some kind of means to the nation&#8217;s survival. So low tech activities are often overlook as &#8220;growth&#8221; potential. For example, BioTech at one time was seen as the growth engine and low tech like Shipbuilding sunset. Yet during the BioTech investment boom largely by the government, Shipbuilding was booming driven by demand rather than investment but seen as low tech left to wilther.</p>
<p>(c) Welfare bad. Another one of the classic counter argument used to put down alternative economic policy. In any rationale debate, all policy instruments including those that seemed to be &#8220;Welfare&#8221; in nature should be judge on cost-effectiveness basis. But in Singapore it seemed that anything smack of welfarism or is labelled so by old man LKY and his PAP stooge becomes a taboo.</p>
<p>(d) Saving is good, spending is bad. I supposed this attitude towards economic policy seemed to flow from the view that managing a household account is the same as managing a national account. Yet, in economics term, money is worthless when one talk about a national economy unless money is recycle for a purpose. Saving and debt are basically two side of the same coin. Neither is good or bad. Yet, the magic counter argument often deployed by people with wants to demolish alternative policy is the &#8220;so-you-want-to-deplete-the-reserve&#8221;!</p>
<p>(e) Economics is only for the people with economics degree. This is often the case when someone come up with alternative policy the first thing to attack is whether the originator of the policy has an economics degree or not, rather than whether the policy itself has merit or not. A useful insight about whether having a economics degree is helpful in understanding the economics is Alan Greenspan himself a train economics and a PhD holder admitted to not knowing what CDO was about. And non-economics or even university trained financial traders were able to understand CDO and implications for the economy. But I guess in Singapore, paper qualification is more important and the message itself.</p>
<p>   If my gut feeling about these self fulfilling prophecies are indeed true, the really the key questions raised by you is how do we get the message of an alternative model to the people especially the powers-that-be and the electorate (those that can vote)?</p>
<p>   Answers anyone?</p>
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		<title>By: Daniel</title>
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		<dc:creator>Daniel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Apr 2009 07:05:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>choonway,
agree with you. Singaporean has always look outwardly for innovation and creativity. When US popularize the trend like web 2.0 and social network, tech savvy citizens capitalize on their popularity, and when the hype dies off, so is the enthusiatism. If Singaporean has been looking inwardly, we wouldn&#039;t be mercy of outside countries, and we will have create innovation capability and motivation for more sustainable innovation, technology and business for local consumption. Needless to say, the main culprit   is the Singapore government who control everything and go by profitability and chasing money first, and still look upon itself as leader, resulting in singapore going nowhere because the core competency is never build by following and moving whatever money-making trend. Worse still, the government is still living in the past, thinking what works and make money in the past can still be milked but then Singapore government is all about short term not long term, just take at the nonsense of old fart who justifies 30 years frailing investment. Why is this still old fart and his families of mercenaries  still around sprouting nonsense and holding Singapore back ?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>choonway,<br />
agree with you. Singaporean has always look outwardly for innovation and creativity. When US popularize the trend like web 2.0 and social network, tech savvy citizens capitalize on their popularity, and when the hype dies off, so is the enthusiatism. If Singaporean has been looking inwardly, we wouldn&#8217;t be mercy of outside countries, and we will have create innovation capability and motivation for more sustainable innovation, technology and business for local consumption. Needless to say, the main culprit   is the Singapore government who control everything and go by profitability and chasing money first, and still look upon itself as leader, resulting in singapore going nowhere because the core competency is never build by following and moving whatever money-making trend. Worse still, the government is still living in the past, thinking what works and make money in the past can still be milked but then Singapore government is all about short term not long term, just take at the nonsense of old fart who justifies 30 years frailing investment. Why is this still old fart and his families of mercenaries  still around sprouting nonsense and holding Singapore back ?</p>
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		<title>By: Daniel</title>
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		<dc:creator>Daniel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Apr 2009 06:55:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;hmm…the minimum wage wouldn’t work&quot;
Why not just try and see if it works ? The government can try job credit scheme but yet cannot try minimum wage.

It&#039;s time Singaporean wake up their own ideas. After all Singapore is known as city of possibilities, what cannot be possible ? Try first and then criticize, don&#039;t criticize and whine even before trying especially it is for benefit of employees.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;hmm…the minimum wage wouldn’t work&#8221;<br />
Why not just try and see if it works ? The government can try job credit scheme but yet cannot try minimum wage.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s time Singaporean wake up their own ideas. After all Singapore is known as city of possibilities, what cannot be possible ? Try first and then criticize, don&#8217;t criticize and whine even before trying especially it is for benefit of employees.</p>
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		<title>By: LOL</title>
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		<dc:creator>LOL</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Apr 2009 06:21:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>hmm...the minimum wage wouldn&#039;t work.....that would encourage people with higher valued jobs to complete with people who lower valued jobs of the same pay....providing no economic benefit....domestic consumption should be boosted..even a 1 percent increase of domestic consumer spending can provide a stimulus to local industries which can keep more people in jobs.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>hmm&#8230;the minimum wage wouldn&#8217;t work&#8230;..that would encourage people with higher valued jobs to complete with people who lower valued jobs of the same pay&#8230;.providing no economic benefit&#8230;.domestic consumption should be boosted..even a 1 percent increase of domestic consumer spending can provide a stimulus to local industries which can keep more people in jobs.</p>
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		<title>By: The SS</title>
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		<dc:creator>The SS</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Apr 2009 05:56:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Is there not a disproportionate % of savings (via compulsory CPF) being channelled to property? Which in itself does not have a great multiplier effect in the current scenario where raw materials and labour are both imported ! 
Even more foreingers working here pay rent which goes back to the landlord to repay his loan !
Not to mention, nowadays you have to Serve your Service Providers because they can&#039;t even understand our Orders!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Is there not a disproportionate % of savings (via compulsory CPF) being channelled to property? Which in itself does not have a great multiplier effect in the current scenario where raw materials and labour are both imported !<br />
Even more foreingers working here pay rent which goes back to the landlord to repay his loan !<br />
Not to mention, nowadays you have to Serve your Service Providers because they can&#8217;t even understand our Orders!</p>
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		<title>By: bacteria</title>
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		<dc:creator>bacteria</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Apr 2009 05:25:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Parka, I come from a business school too. Of all the people I know (in my class), those who are enthusiastic about becoming entrepreneurs I can count with a single hand. And they are all foreigners :-)

Apparently the government isn’t doing enough to promote entrepreneurship... is not true. Creative and Osim thrived w/o gahmen&#039;s help and wilted when they came in. there is plenty of money. The problem is that the funds are controlled by ... inexperienced folks who know nuts about business. so the easy way to make money is to ... 

Anyway, Singaporeans not willing to take up menial jobs is ... bullshit. The problem is the pay is too low and not viable. And by employing cheap foreign workers, the employers simply pass the hidden social costs to the average Singaporean. so a min wage would indeed help... by creating decent paying jobs for SINGAPOREANS.

Finally, if we want low lying fruits, we can start off with NS. Lets face it. Recruits, Reservists are useless in a battle. And wages are a small component of the cost. Peanuts. think iceberg. Soldiers need to be feed, housed, equipped, trained, etc. Real money. We can have a equally effective professional army with 1/3 the numbers at probably half the cost. 20k real jobs that can feed a family.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Parka, I come from a business school too. Of all the people I know (in my class), those who are enthusiastic about becoming entrepreneurs I can count with a single hand. And they are all foreigners :-)</p>
<p>Apparently the government isn’t doing enough to promote entrepreneurship&#8230; is not true. Creative and Osim thrived w/o gahmen&#8217;s help and wilted when they came in. there is plenty of money. The problem is that the funds are controlled by &#8230; inexperienced folks who know nuts about business. so the easy way to make money is to &#8230; </p>
<p>Anyway, Singaporeans not willing to take up menial jobs is &#8230; bullshit. The problem is the pay is too low and not viable. And by employing cheap foreign workers, the employers simply pass the hidden social costs to the average Singaporean. so a min wage would indeed help&#8230; by creating decent paying jobs for SINGAPOREANS.</p>
<p>Finally, if we want low lying fruits, we can start off with NS. Lets face it. Recruits, Reservists are useless in a battle. And wages are a small component of the cost. Peanuts. think iceberg. Soldiers need to be feed, housed, equipped, trained, etc. Real money. We can have a equally effective professional army with 1/3 the numbers at probably half the cost. 20k real jobs that can feed a family.</p>
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		<title>By: Small Time Businessman</title>
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		<dc:creator>Small Time Businessman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Apr 2009 05:19:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;By the way, personal income tax and GST in total contribute less than 20% of the govt revenue last year (refer to revenue statistics from MOF website).&quot;

Yeah, cos the rest come from ERP, alcohol tax, cigarette tax, road tax, petrol tax, COE etc</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;By the way, personal income tax and GST in total contribute less than 20% of the govt revenue last year (refer to revenue statistics from MOF website).&#8221;</p>
<p>Yeah, cos the rest come from ERP, alcohol tax, cigarette tax, road tax, petrol tax, COE etc</p>
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		<title>By: Jackson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jackson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Apr 2009 03:57:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think Singapore focuses too much on foreign exports rather than making domestic demand its main pillar of strength. I believe that since we&#039;re still a young nation, we should focus more on strengthening our infrastructure and foundation and not spending too much resources garnering foreign investments and foreign talents.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think Singapore focuses too much on foreign exports rather than making domestic demand its main pillar of strength. I believe that since we&#8217;re still a young nation, we should focus more on strengthening our infrastructure and foundation and not spending too much resources garnering foreign investments and foreign talents.</p>
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		<title>By: Ravi Philemon</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ravi Philemon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Apr 2009 03:04:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To Patriot@40: landmass, geography, culture,  strong  primary productions including fisheries, national high tech industries, common national identities, common belief, national (indigenous) cultures and even homogenous national ideologies, have very little to do with private consumption.  

The truth is, that it is a myth that countries with small population cannot rely on its private consumption like bigger nations and have to overly depend on exports.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To Patriot@40: landmass, geography, culture,  strong  primary productions including fisheries, national high tech industries, common national identities, common belief, national (indigenous) cultures and even homogenous national ideologies, have very little to do with private consumption.  </p>
<p>The truth is, that it is a myth that countries with small population cannot rely on its private consumption like bigger nations and have to overly depend on exports.</p>
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		<title>By: SZ</title>
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		<dc:creator>SZ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Apr 2009 02:53:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>somebody is repeating again...however, i do must agree that the internet provides us with a lot of information, however people *or some* tends to only digest what they want to see and won&#039;t accept other perspective, typical of a group-think. 

however, statistics isn&#039;t the way to go in every situation. rules and procedures gain from statistical situation can usually only be use in recurring situation. however when it is an unexpected situation, creativity and judgment is needed. past statistics won&#039;t be effective in solving this crisis as it is the past that leads to the present, and if depend on the past again that lead us to success and the current scenario, it will be going through a death spiral aka trap of success and this type of events will still hit us hard.

it is said in the death spiral, one of my fav, that period of success leads to the success syndrome,  which consist of arrogance, complacency, inward focus, codification, conservatism, greater complexity and because of that, an &quot;organization&quot; becomes learning disabled and lost touch with the external environment. then when performance decline due to environment disturbances, the &quot;organization&quot; goes into denial and will try to do the same to achieve back the past result. and the spiral will go on and forth.

so in the end, what i am trying to say is that statistics won&#039;t get you out of every scenario</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>somebody is repeating again&#8230;however, i do must agree that the internet provides us with a lot of information, however people *or some* tends to only digest what they want to see and won&#8217;t accept other perspective, typical of a group-think. </p>
<p>however, statistics isn&#8217;t the way to go in every situation. rules and procedures gain from statistical situation can usually only be use in recurring situation. however when it is an unexpected situation, creativity and judgment is needed. past statistics won&#8217;t be effective in solving this crisis as it is the past that leads to the present, and if depend on the past again that lead us to success and the current scenario, it will be going through a death spiral aka trap of success and this type of events will still hit us hard.</p>
<p>it is said in the death spiral, one of my fav, that period of success leads to the success syndrome,  which consist of arrogance, complacency, inward focus, codification, conservatism, greater complexity and because of that, an &#8220;organization&#8221; becomes learning disabled and lost touch with the external environment. then when performance decline due to environment disturbances, the &#8220;organization&#8221; goes into denial and will try to do the same to achieve back the past result. and the spiral will go on and forth.</p>
<p>so in the end, what i am trying to say is that statistics won&#8217;t get you out of every scenario</p>
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		<title>By: www</title>
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		<dc:creator>www</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Apr 2009 02:05:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes, learning more about the statistics is the way to go (but you may want to look at more recent ones). There is a lot of information on the internet that will help us understand things better.

By the way, personal income tax and GST in total contribute less than 20% of the govt revenue last year (refer to revenue statistics from MOF website).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, learning more about the statistics is the way to go (but you may want to look at more recent ones). There is a lot of information on the internet that will help us understand things better.</p>
<p>By the way, personal income tax and GST in total contribute less than 20% of the govt revenue last year (refer to revenue statistics from MOF website).</p>
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