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		<title>By: mice is nice</title>
		<link>http://theonlinecitizen.com/2009/05/aware-victorious-and-rejoice/comment-page-1/#comment-70923</link>
		<dc:creator>mice is nice</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 May 2009 15:07:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>birds of a feather flock together. Josie &amp; fiends are also into videos, thats why install CCTVs in the premises...

lol.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>birds of a feather flock together. Josie &amp; fiends are also into videos, thats why install CCTVs in the premises&#8230;</p>
<p>lol.</p>
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		<title>By: Hooligans</title>
		<link>http://theonlinecitizen.com/2009/05/aware-victorious-and-rejoice/comment-page-1/#comment-70549</link>
		<dc:creator>Hooligans</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 May 2009 14:14:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There are footballing types...
now there are the aware types albelt belonging to the old guards..
congratulations ,,,, the videos have recorded all for posterity....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There are footballing types&#8230;<br />
now there are the aware types albelt belonging to the old guards..<br />
congratulations ,,,, the videos have recorded all for posterity&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: corporal512</title>
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		<dc:creator>corporal512</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 May 2009 06:02:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In the movie &quot;Gone with the wind&#039; Clark Gable immortalized the line &quot;I don&#039;t care a damn&quot; when talking to his screen wife, Vivien Leigh.
Who can ever forget the line uttered by our very own Sally Ang, a member of the old new exco committee of AWARE.  &quot;Shut up and sit down&quot;  She was referring to the rousing crowd at the AWARE&#039;s EGM recently.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In the movie &#8220;Gone with the wind&#8217; Clark Gable immortalized the line &#8220;I don&#8217;t care a damn&#8221; when talking to his screen wife, Vivien Leigh.<br />
Who can ever forget the line uttered by our very own Sally Ang, a member of the old new exco committee of AWARE.  &#8220;Shut up and sit down&#8221;  She was referring to the rousing crowd at the AWARE&#8217;s EGM recently.</p>
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		<title>By: Neutral party</title>
		<link>http://theonlinecitizen.com/2009/05/aware-victorious-and-rejoice/comment-page-1/#comment-70150</link>
		<dc:creator>Neutral party</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 May 2009 12:41:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>19) kerondagan on May 4th, 2009 6.28 pm said

&quot;Crowd is less hooligan than those who attend masses at SOOC every week... &quot;



You attend COOS? How else do you know the COOS members behave like hooligans?

I suggest you not make this an anti Christian or religious mud sling.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>19) kerondagan on May 4th, 2009 6.28 pm said</p>
<p>&#8220;Crowd is less hooligan than those who attend masses at SOOC every week&#8230; &#8221;</p>
<p>You attend COOS? How else do you know the COOS members behave like hooligans?</p>
<p>I suggest you not make this an anti Christian or religious mud sling.</p>
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		<title>By: Neutral party</title>
		<link>http://theonlinecitizen.com/2009/05/aware-victorious-and-rejoice/comment-page-1/#comment-70149</link>
		<dc:creator>Neutral party</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 May 2009 12:39:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>17) sarek_home on May 4th, 2009 12.33 pm said

&quot;They were not hooligans, they were passionate people acted boldly to right what is wrong. There is time for civic act and there is time to show ones righteous rage and to seek justice.&quot;

Is Braema Mathi not passionate? Did she not act boldly to right what is wrong? In fact, she achieved much more with her demeanor than anyone there screaming and jeering madly.

We are an educated people are we not? Surely we do not want to encourage &#039;Taiwanese politics&#039; kind of behavior here.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>17) sarek_home on May 4th, 2009 12.33 pm said</p>
<p>&#8220;They were not hooligans, they were passionate people acted boldly to right what is wrong. There is time for civic act and there is time to show ones righteous rage and to seek justice.&#8221;</p>
<p>Is Braema Mathi not passionate? Did she not act boldly to right what is wrong? In fact, she achieved much more with her demeanor than anyone there screaming and jeering madly.</p>
<p>We are an educated people are we not? Surely we do not want to encourage &#8216;Taiwanese politics&#8217; kind of behavior here.</p>
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		<title>By: Neutral party</title>
		<link>http://theonlinecitizen.com/2009/05/aware-victorious-and-rejoice/comment-page-1/#comment-70147</link>
		<dc:creator>Neutral party</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 May 2009 12:33:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>16) eh on May 4th, 2009 11.58 am said

&quot;Neutral party, maybe u would like to have someone overrun ur house becos they dun agree with ur sex life and then try and be calm when u tell them to get out.&quot;



Well, I can choose to react like Braema Mathi - with strength, dignity and power, instead of screaming, jeering and shoving like the crowd.

Also, I don&#039;t see your example apt as I do not see AWARE as my house.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>16) eh on May 4th, 2009 11.58 am said</p>
<p>&#8220;Neutral party, maybe u would like to have someone overrun ur house becos they dun agree with ur sex life and then try and be calm when u tell them to get out.&#8221;</p>
<p>Well, I can choose to react like Braema Mathi &#8211; with strength, dignity and power, instead of screaming, jeering and shoving like the crowd.</p>
<p>Also, I don&#8217;t see your example apt as I do not see AWARE as my house.</p>
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		<title>By: aloha</title>
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		<dc:creator>aloha</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 May 2009 12:01:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i think we need to look at Josie in positive light, she allowed EGM and bowed out after losses. If for politics in Singapore, this would never happen.

Real democracy at work... people&#039;s power la</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i think we need to look at Josie in positive light, she allowed EGM and bowed out after losses. If for politics in Singapore, this would never happen.</p>
<p>Real democracy at work&#8230; people&#8217;s power la</p>
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		<title>By: mice is nice</title>
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		<dc:creator>mice is nice</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 May 2009 10:47:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>re post #13) smallvice585 on May 4th, 2009 5.00 am

you got a point, but i just afraid &quot;lighning&quot; strike twice...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>re post #13) smallvice585 on May 4th, 2009 5.00 am</p>
<p>you got a point, but i just afraid &#8220;lighning&#8221; strike twice&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: kerondagan</title>
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		<dc:creator>kerondagan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 May 2009 10:28:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Crowd is less hooligan than those who attend masses at SOOC every week. Josie &amp; co might be back next year to attack AWARE again. Or soon another NGO will kena!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Crowd is less hooligan than those who attend masses at SOOC every week. Josie &amp; co might be back next year to attack AWARE again. Or soon another NGO will kena!</p>
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		<title>By: WeC</title>
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		<dc:creator>WeC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 May 2009 09:26:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Does anyone know which are the 11 schools CSE was taught in?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Does anyone know which are the 11 schools CSE was taught in?</p>
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		<title>By: sarek_home</title>
		<link>http://theonlinecitizen.com/2009/05/aware-victorious-and-rejoice/comment-page-1/#comment-69974</link>
		<dc:creator>sarek_home</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 May 2009 04:33:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;b&gt;14) Neutral party on May 4th, 2009 11.19 am

I have nothing but respect for Ms Braema Mathi for the impartial, fair and dignified way she handled herself and the crowd. I cannot say the same for the crowd who mostly behaved like hooligans.&lt;/b&gt;

They were not hooligans, they were passionate people acted boldly to right what is wrong.  There is time for civic act and there is time to show ones righteous rage and to seek justice.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><b>14) Neutral party on May 4th, 2009 11.19 am</p>
<p>I have nothing but respect for Ms Braema Mathi for the impartial, fair and dignified way she handled herself and the crowd. I cannot say the same for the crowd who mostly behaved like hooligans.</b></p>
<p>They were not hooligans, they were passionate people acted boldly to right what is wrong.  There is time for civic act and there is time to show ones righteous rage and to seek justice.</p>
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		<title>By: eh</title>
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		<dc:creator>eh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 May 2009 03:58:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Neutral party, maybe u would like to have someone overrun ur house becos they dun agree with ur sex life and then try and be calm when u tell them to get out.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Neutral party, maybe u would like to have someone overrun ur house becos they dun agree with ur sex life and then try and be calm when u tell them to get out.</p>
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		<title>By: Neutral party</title>
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		<dc:creator>Neutral party</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 May 2009 03:19:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have nothing but respect for Ms Braema Mathi for the impartial, fair and dignified way she handled herself and the crowd. I cannot say the same for the crowd who mostly behaved like hooligans.

Perhaps LKY is correct in his draconian ways after all. As a people, I think we flounder in face of complete democracy. All civility, dignity and self control seemed to be flushed down the drain.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have nothing but respect for Ms Braema Mathi for the impartial, fair and dignified way she handled herself and the crowd. I cannot say the same for the crowd who mostly behaved like hooligans.</p>
<p>Perhaps LKY is correct in his draconian ways after all. As a people, I think we flounder in face of complete democracy. All civility, dignity and self control seemed to be flushed down the drain.</p>
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		<title>By: conscious</title>
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		<dc:creator>conscious</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 May 2009 02:58:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Simplyjust - you consider yourself a &#039;neutral observer&#039;- &#039; how is the $$ spent  justified when (a) it doesn&#039;t belong to the ousted team and (2) no permission was sought from members as required by the Consitution - JL and co kept talking about legalities all throughout and yet they conveniently overlook the Constituition when it suited them,. Use church funds if you want to further the cause of your beliefs. Nobody will care.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Simplyjust &#8211; you consider yourself a &#8216;neutral observer&#8217;- &#8216; how is the $$ spent  justified when (a) it doesn&#8217;t belong to the ousted team and (2) no permission was sought from members as required by the Consitution &#8211; JL and co kept talking about legalities all throughout and yet they conveniently overlook the Constituition when it suited them,. Use church funds if you want to further the cause of your beliefs. Nobody will care.</p>
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		<title>By: smallvice585</title>
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		<dc:creator>smallvice585</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 03 May 2009 21:00:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi &lt;b&gt;mice is nice&lt;/b&gt;,

I don&#039;t think there is a need for additional safeguards such as a blacklist. The current mechanism is good and the onus to ensure that the democratic mechanism always work should remain on members. What the AWARE Saga has shown is that the lesser the number of members from the electorate who participate in election, the more susceptible the democratic mechanism is to extremists and minorities who want to impose their views over others.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi <b>mice is nice</b>,</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t think there is a need for additional safeguards such as a blacklist. The current mechanism is good and the onus to ensure that the democratic mechanism always work should remain on members. What the AWARE Saga has shown is that the lesser the number of members from the electorate who participate in election, the more susceptible the democratic mechanism is to extremists and minorities who want to impose their views over others.</p>
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		<title>By: mice is nice</title>
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		<dc:creator>mice is nice</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 03 May 2009 16:23:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>eh, Aware newest Exco, dun rejoice so fast. there are many COOS members in Aware now.  

better make it a must for all voting members to turn up every single AGM from now on. dun let history repeat...

be careful got spy eh. how to promote trust when there is a possibility it can be abused (this saga shows it can happen leh)?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>eh, Aware newest Exco, dun rejoice so fast. there are many COOS members in Aware now.  </p>
<p>better make it a must for all voting members to turn up every single AGM from now on. dun let history repeat&#8230;</p>
<p>be careful got spy eh. how to promote trust when there is a possibility it can be abused (this saga shows it can happen leh)?</p>
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		<title>By: monster</title>
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		<dc:creator>monster</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 03 May 2009 13:56:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>shows that 1 race + 1 religion = FAIL! haha.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>shows that 1 race + 1 religion = FAIL! haha.</p>
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		<title>By: mice is nice</title>
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		<dc:creator>mice is nice</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 03 May 2009 09:49:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>victory aside, i think Aware should look into having more robust safeguards in place.

i wonder if a blacklist is in order for Josie &amp; fiends. they should be barred for a few years from Exco positions to atone their &quot;sins&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>victory aside, i think Aware should look into having more robust safeguards in place.</p>
<p>i wonder if a blacklist is in order for Josie &amp; fiends. they should be barred for a few years from Exco positions to atone their &#8220;sins&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: Hahaha</title>
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		<dc:creator>Hahaha</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 03 May 2009 06:57:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In fairness to Ape Communications, the people manning the sound system resumed the mic service after a short delay during which Josie and team left the hall. Someone from the replacement EXCO (freshly elected standing on the stage) thanked them for their empathy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In fairness to Ape Communications, the people manning the sound system resumed the mic service after a short delay during which Josie and team left the hall. Someone from the replacement EXCO (freshly elected standing on the stage) thanked them for their empathy.</p>
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		<title>By: Hahaha</title>
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		<dc:creator>Hahaha</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 03 May 2009 06:54:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What is not shown is what happened after the &lt;i&gt;&quot;Josie Lau and team admit defeat and step down&quot;&lt;/i&gt; clip. The moment Josie Lau announced &quot;and I call this meeting to a close&quot; before leaving the stage, all the microphones were turned off to prevent the original-AWARE from continuing with the replacement EXCO elections.

While at the EOGM, I considered if the sudden breakdown of all mics was a coincidental technical failure. Now I have reason to believe it was manipulated by the self-declared &quot;gracious&quot; losers. Look at the 1:00 of the above clip, one can see Lois giving signals to Ape Communications to resume only Josie&#039;s podium mic. Thus, I now suspect that during their 40+ minutes of absence (not 20 minutes as stated by TOC http://theonlinecitizen.com/2009/05/chaos/ ), Josie&#039;s team may have been arranging their ungraceful exit.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What is not shown is what happened after the <i>&#8220;Josie Lau and team admit defeat and step down&#8221;</i> clip. The moment Josie Lau announced &#8220;and I call this meeting to a close&#8221; before leaving the stage, all the microphones were turned off to prevent the original-AWARE from continuing with the replacement EXCO elections.</p>
<p>While at the EOGM, I considered if the sudden breakdown of all mics was a coincidental technical failure. Now I have reason to believe it was manipulated by the self-declared &#8220;gracious&#8221; losers. Look at the 1:00 of the above clip, one can see Lois giving signals to Ape Communications to resume only Josie&#8217;s podium mic. Thus, I now suspect that during their 40+ minutes of absence (not 20 minutes as stated by TOC <a href="http://theonlinecitizen.com/2009/05/chaos/" rel="nofollow">http://theonlinecitizen.com/2009/05/chaos/</a> ), Josie&#8217;s team may have been arranging their ungraceful exit.</p>
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