From Catherine Lim’s website.
I had given my views, mainly as a non-partisan, liberal Singaporean during the recent Aware controversy. Some parents had written or called to voice their concern about one issue that had stood out – the use in schools of an Aware program on sexuality, which allegedly promoted homosexuality. The following letter tries to address this concern.
Dear concerned parents,
There must be many of you out there, less interested in the polemics and theatrics of the recent Aware debacle than in the one issue that suddenly surfaced and grabbed your attention as parents: the issue of homosexuality.
You are clearly not against homosexuals (many of you in fact claim to have homosexuals among your friends) but you are, understandably, against any program in the schools that encourages your sons and daughters to become gays and lesbians. This was exactly the charge brought against the Aware Comprehensive Sex Education (CSE) program by the Christian group that had seized control of the organization precisely to fight what they perceived as a great evil. They quoted from the program materials to prove their charge, condemning the insidious call to young people to regard homosexuality and its associated practices (including anal sex—ugh!) as ‘neutral’. As parents of young impressionable teens, you must have been aghast.
I would like to begin by commending this concern of yours which is not only natural and understandable but highly laudable at a time when so many parents are just too busy or too indifferent to play an active role in guiding their children’s behaviour, and simply leave everything to the schools. And I would like to add that if there is a good outcome in the Aware fiasco, it must be your new awareness and readiness to seek corrective action.
Read the full letter here.
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In France, homosexuality has been legal for over 200 years, same-sex relationships are recognized under the law and there’s a ban on all anti-gay discrimination. By TSM’s logic, they would have had 10 generations of lesbians by now. Last time I looked, there were still French people around.
Neither is heterosexuality under imminent threat of extinction in the many, many other countries like France.
Aren’t those who believe that 2 lines in a teaching manual is going to turn ALL SINGAPORE GAY being a bit paranoid? Shouldn’t they be looking into the source of that paranoia rather than trying to dictate to others how they should live their lives?
got guy n girl dunwan to be, wan to be gays n lesbians? wat is this world coming to?
(52) move on, move on.
(51)
Yep, u got it right. we have MTV, we have lots of songs and movies with explicit lyrics. we have internet. it’s better for someone to discuss all these issues openly than to try to pretend we are from the medieval ages. last time, my junior college tried giving a sex talk, and the lecturer said, girls, it’s like having a cardboard tube stuck it u, and guys, it’s the same as if u push through a cardboard tube. so pls don’t say yes until you are married becos you are the temple of god.
wth does that mean?
As always majority and democracy rules….if so many parents are concerned about the CSE programme by petitioning about them being in the dark about the program while almost none(so far) voiced their support by petitioning to support the CSE program, we can only conclude that the majority do not support the CSE program.
my only concern from this fiasco is that we are allowing ourselves to be coloured by a certain type of thinking in the expense of others
i think, our community has been careful not shape, influence or colour shared spaces (with personal/ religious/ cultural values), especially, national spaces like schools.
though my personal feel, is that we are still a conservatice society by and large, we do not impose our values in shared-public spaces …
i tink, “liberal” thinking – values- or whatever its called- should also respect the unwritten rule …
if one starts to use expoit- the others will play the same game …
let differentiated values – be as it is – differentiated …
I think it is a tough call for teachers as well. I wonder whether lessons were videotaped..if so one could have an understanding what was taught the past two years using AWARE guideboo.. It is one thing to say anal sex is healthy and another thing to really know what was articulated. It is tough to teach sex education. Another example ..on Virginity in the CSE guide -”Virginity is a concept which is really difficult to fix, traditionally virginity is related to the hymen. But perhaps we can also think of virginity as a state of mind?” (Comprehensive Sexuality Education Copyright of AWARE 2007). How do you teach that?Does anyone really know?
50) Pri six son on May 7th, 2009 2.18 pm
You are right on! Almost every home has internet and children know how to get information from the net. They are not naive anymore. If the ministry were to conduct a survey on the percentage of students surfing the porno web, it will not be surprised that the percentage could be very high. The high moral standing of the petitioners to remove the CSE is just extremist thinking. However this extremist group makes loud noise and MOE is bowing in.
winstoncheng
“My point again, `accepting’ does not equal `advocating’”
How does treating homo as a neutral word equal to ‘advocating’ then? imo, it was with the aim of making the new generation to be more accepting that they made the word neutral. For if a label has a negative connotation, does one then not discriminate against it?
Hi rwkc
So far science has yet to prove that homosexual is a genetic issue, but recently I came across an interesting research that our environment or diet may influenced our genes and it will relate to our sexual behaviours.
2 Reasons for my statement:
Psychologist Ingeborg Ward of Villanova University, Pennsylvania, has shown that putting stress on pregnant rats reduces testosterone concentration in the male foetuses, and this can occur in specific periods critical for sexual differentiation in their brains. The result was male offspring with ‘persistence of feminine and impaired masculine sexual behaviour’.
Secondly, the consummation of soy beans globally or food that contains phyto-estrogen may disturb the hormones in a body, creating a mixed sexual orientation behaviour.
If both of the reasons above are possible (more test needed of course), I believe that our genes would be affected.
“Absolute morality” means believing that there is absolute bad (wrong) or good (right) in certain acts.
In para 3, I meant that in humanity, we need to love and respect, not to use religion as a means to oppress or condemned. Acceptance is important, just like we need to love and embrace the poor.We should not put salt on other people’s wound instead to speak for the rights of the oppressed.
But on the other hand, if absolute morality exists as how our conscience tells us, then as a humanity, we should work together in love and acceptance to correct the wrong.
In application, it may meant a thorough investigation of how diet and environment affects our sexual orientation, and how to create an accepting society that accepts homosexuals. As I sincerely believe, with the existence of absolute morality, no one is perfect, and who am I not to accept a homosexual and respect his/her rights?
My definition of God: The highest being who created us and the universe.
Concerning an assumption of a born homosexual with the prove of his genetic make up, I would say that God never intended a person to be born that way. That is the reason why we need to respect and love rather than to judge and oppress.
If recent science shows us that it is highly possible that our diet and environment influence our genes, then as a responsible humanity, we need to change the way we live and eat, and that starts from the government’s leadership.
Lastly, I need to make clear that when I say about being disrespectful, I am not saying about a person becoming disrespectful when he/she views homosexuality as not being an evil, but disrespectful to “placed God” in a position to view homosexual as not being evil. Because we are not God, and God has His rights as God on how He view homosexuality just as we have our rights to do so.
Hope these clarifications helps.
It is so easy to just use the gay issue as a smoke screen to digress from the main crux of the AWARE saga, i.e. the inability of different camps of women to see eye to eye.
Catherline Lim is right to say that gays will increasingly and inevitably be an integrated component of our society and ppl should not resist this tide by conveniently using established organisations to amplify their so called disgust. It is an extremely myopic stance and will only serve to counter the progress of modernity that we have built up over the years.
“So far science has yet to prove that homosexual is a genetic issue,”
“My definition of God: The highest being who created us and the universe.
Concerning an assumption of a born homosexual with the prove of his genetic make up, I would say that God never intended a person to be born that way. That is the reason why we need to respect and love rather than to judge and oppress.”
Has science proven the existence of god. yes ? no ? bingo, your definition. you would say that God never intended blah blah blah blah. well, afterall you define god and you also define god’s intention. you also define that so far science has yet to prove that homosexual is a genetic issue.
Fundamentialist christians are too blinded by christianity to be able to tell the difference between accepting and advocating homosexuality because they are taught to discriminate against anything that goes against God.
the battle is lost…and the war is lost too …
ignorance has prevailed and we are plunging into dark ages of pre-sex education…
Hey Catherine . If you have children in school now , then parents might listen to you.
Strongly agree with the mentions of how AWARE excos (both Dana Lam and Josie Lau’s) missed the opportunity to rein in the emotions so that we could have had a civilised proceeding.
I refuse to believe that Singapore’s civil society’s repressed lack of development, is any excuse for outbursts of incivility in -civil- society.
If homosexuality is natural then probably the world would be much less populous?
when HIV and AIDS was first realised in the world, many people had the misconception that it was spread by homosexuals. the misconception was not without ground, especially when Freddy Mercury had also succumbed to it and he had indulged in a promiscuous homosexual lifestyle. here’s quoting from a website about HIV / AIDS (The Body):
“HIV may be more easily transmitted through anal sex than vaginal sex for a few reasons.
1) The anal/rectal membrane tends to be more susceptible to micro-trauma (small tears in the membrane) which would facilitate transmission.
2) Some studies suggest that certain types of cells more prone to infection reside in the mucosal lining of the rectum.
3) Due to trauma, there is a greater likelihood for blood to be present during anal sex, increasing the chance for transmission to the top/insertive partner. ”
so tell me again if God intends gays to be natural since the anus is the only recepticle during sex between 2 males.
Can you imagine Singapore children growing up being shielded from all the truth about this world and eventually got a shock of their life when they come face to face with reality?
Who is gong to prepare them? The parents will never share anything like that because they are embarrass to do so. The church wouldn’t do it because they will just tell you it is an abomination, don’t need to know about it.
I once met a boy who was a gay, he engaged in gay sex as well. He knew nothing of it at all, his parents will never talk about such things at home. He heard about it from a friend, who also heard about it from a friend, who in the same way heard from another….. and so on. This boy was being told it is fun and he was asked if he would like to try it. Not knowing much about it he consented and it turned his life upside down. His parents knew nothing about it, his school and class mates knew nothing about it. When I asked him did he think he will caught HIV, he told me that is an adult gay problem. For a 17-year old boy, he will not get it. So he must try to turn straight by age 21. Needless to say, he learned it from his friend who also learned it from a friend and so on.. Ironically, he is a Christian and he is from one of the big and well known churches in Singapore. He should be 28 by now. I wonder how is he now?
The gay communities are filled with such stories and many are not by choice, but by experiments.
How is that for over-shielding you child?
Perhaps, and I do think your view is quite justified; but by pessismistically deeming uncivil behaviour from them, as “expected”, aren’t we cutting them slack in a way, shrugging the situation as a fated thing?
Why not subject them to the same civil society and commonsense rules normal people are expected to (or should) abide by?
I am amused that there are a bunch of stupid people in here that are saying that one should home school their kids if they do not trust the CSE. Also these same stupid people question why wait till now to question about CSE which has been running since 2006.
If I let you come into my house to steal repeatedly and one day I decided to catch you and bring you to the police, can you say that since you didn’t stop me previously, you cannot catch me now? Only stupid people will say that.
These same stupid people go on to say that there are so many bad influences in the world so you might as well home school if you want to stop it. You must give up internet. As a parent I want control of what my children are taught. Does it mean that I must vet everything that goes on in their lives? Its impossible. However, if it is brought to my attention that the message is wrong, I will definitely raise it. The government has acted rightly after reviewing the inappropriateness in part of the CSE. I believe the government has also been misled by the stealth operations of AWARE.
These stupid people should shut up until they are parents and understand the meaning of responsibilities.
Focus people. Stupid people will always try to confuse when they cannot convince. Its so easy. Why didn’t raise it 3 years ago? So many bad influence, go with flow or home school. Why not ask if the CSE is wrong? Nothing more nothing less.
CSE affect only students. Only parents should comment because it affects them.
Another point to consider
If we say
Homosexual is normal = does not mean we are pro-homosexual
does it mean that when we say
Having affairs is normal = does not mean we are pro-infidelity?
Premarital sex is normal = does not mean we are pro-premarital sex?
Queue cutting is normal = does not mean we are pro-queue cutting?
Using vulgar language is normal = does not mean we are pro-use of vulgar language?
As parents, we know things are not so clear to children. They will interpret that it is acceptable to have affairs, premarital sex, cut queue and use vulgar language. They are not able to know that there are instances that sometimes these things like affairs, premarital sex, queue cutting, vulgar language use happen. They may even engage in them when they become adults but until them, as parents, we want to state to them that its wrong and that they must not do it. As all parents know, we must be exemplary in conduct because our kids are watching us all the time. Once kids know something is acceptable, its extremely tempting for them to try – heck, even when it not acceptable some will already try.
So, if we say Homosexuality is normal, we are telling the kids that homosexuality is acceptable. What parent will say that?
Perhaps, this is well the anger towards CSE is focused on. It’s the sneaky way in which it is packaged to appear harmless but slowly changing the mindset to say that homosexuality is acceptable.
Parenting is already challenging enough. To have these hidden agendas being pushed makes in many times harder.
Hi Jer Lim,
In short, are you suggesting that homosexual inclinations are treatable? Are you leading us into this direction? It smacks of COOS theology.
Homosexuality as an “alternative lifestyle” has been making the rounds in the news cycle of late. While we’re on the topic, let’s talk about another type of alternative lifestyle: religion.
(Any) religion can indeed be properly defined as an alternative lifestyle because it proposes a distinctive moral and behavioural code meant to set it apart from non-subscribers of that code. A religious person abides by a certain ideological code because he/she appreciates it as a more congenial alternative to mainstream customs. The point is elucidated from a historical perspective, since every religion began as either a departure from preexisting religious traditions or an improvement on them, ergo an “alternative lifestyle”.
So when people who subscribe to a particular religious tradition denounce homosexuality as an “alternative lifestyle”, is it not a case of socialized hypocrisy?
Understanding that religion is in essence an alternative lifestyle that, once upon a time, was also viewed as a deviant movement which threatened the status quo of the socio-religious establishment and persecuted accordingly, how can we now, in good conscience, oppress those whom we deem deviants?
Perhaps if PARENTS take back the responsibility for their kids and learn HOW to communicate, then MOE will not need AWARE or anyone else to do the job for them. Lots of parents are NOT comfortable talking about sex to their children. Maybe it’s cos they are not comfortable with themselves in the first place. Perhaps it is the parents that have to be educated first. Then no blame game! I have decided to talk to my kids openly about this especially since I have shared with them the whole AWARE saga- at the end of the day, for every finger you point elsewhere, three others are pointing back to you. By the way I WAS at the EGM, I am a Muslim ( a fairly liberal one) , and a single mum to 2 teenage daughters. ( If divorce is BAD, as some of you think, I would still be deeply unhappy instead of being empowered as a result of the experience) . I would rather my girls learn from me than from anyone else including teachers, no matter how well-meaning.
[#59]
Jer Lim, tks for the clarification.
There are many women out there who need help. AWARE should stop wasting time and resources doing programs for schools and stick to its original purpose (unless of course they have changed the objectives of their organization….)
#59
I think you’re onto something. I’ve had several meals with soya beans this week and have begun to feel powerful urges towards “mixed sexual orientation behaviour”. I’m going to petition MOE at once, demanding the immediate withdrawal of all soya products from school meals. There is a line, brothers and sisters, and the nation shall not cross it!
http://www.arkdiscovery.com/sodom_&_gomorrah.htm
Jer Lim,
What’s with your dislike of cohabitants? I noticed that in your post (#17), you listed cohabitation in the list of things that are ‘bad’. I’m curious; why?
I believe teachers hate teachng this module.
Thank God AWARE had some materials that could take the load off teachers.
Taking out the CSE module, MOE will take forever to come out with a new module to teach our kids.
With the heat, none of the teachers in school will be willing to teach this module properly, convincingly.
I am worried as a parent. I feel students should be given all the necessary information to make a proper judgement. To learn it from AWARE is much better than from the internet pornography .
As a parent, I just need to clarify and adjust the ‘secular’ materials to suit my own religious beliefs.
Bring CSE back.
Hi Gemami
I do not know about COOS theology. And I would say I have seen reports on reduction of soy consumption, ensuring a healthy pregnancy etc to reduce possibility of imbalance hormones and creating healthy growth.
At this stage, I would say it is a immature science that requires more research.
You may or may not agree with what Cat Lim says or writes. But you have got to agree on this — she is always interesting. Well done, Cat, for speaking your mind on Aware, CSE, homosexuality, etc etc.
The Bible is full of the frailties of man through the ages. Man still struggles on, and survives, despite his many faults, foibles and frailties.
Throughout this long discussion in response to Cat Lim’s letter to concerned parents on the CSE, one point has not been made succintly: That we should be tolerant of all people, no matter who they are, what they do, including what their sexual orientation is.
I remember an episode from the good book which has remained in my mind all throughout my long life: Let the man who is free from blemish, let him cast the first stone.
I have taken liberties with the paraphrasing of that remarkable utterance, forgive me. But the intent of the remark — in protecting the fallen woman from the wrath of the righteous mob — is apparent. We should always remind ourselves of the need for tolerance if society is to progress.
#77
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=53327
Tho’ it is not a proven science, but soy effects on our total being needs a thorough research, cos’ we have been influenced for so many years that soy is good.
“79) Jer Lim on May 8th, 2009 10.45 am
At this stage, I would say it is a immature science that requires more research.”
While science is constantly subject to scrutiny and rigorous falsification even among peers who may want to be the first to “steal” the limelight for certain discovery. are you and your kind be willing to subject yourself to such scrutiny and rigorous falsification.
80) Bad time for teachers on May 8th, 2009 9.41 am
you are right man. the moe cse module is just a drop in this present era of fast information (or non-information) in the wider internet ocean where more and more people are swimming in it. some of people still think they can scoop water out from their old strainer.
Hi, even science is not a perfect solution to everything. The scientific method says everything must be proven scientifically by experiments to be proven as “true” but it is a self contradicatory statement because the scientific method itself cannot be tested scientifically by experiment to be proven “true”.
86) LOL on May 8th, 2009 11.30 am
“but it is a self contradicatory statement because the scientific method itself cannot be tested scientifically by experiment to be proven “true”.
yes, and that almost everything we have today including the presence of internet is due to this simple humble understanding that science (and the clear-headed people in it) rigourously imposes itself.
Hi Jer Lim,
I suspect you are a sales person on a mission. Soon you are going to sell us some alternatives to soya beans. Are you?
Anyway good to know you are not leading us into some COOS theologies – whew! close call.
# 79) rachel
I would say in true love, commitment is most important, and cohabitation reflects a kind of fear to commitment to someone you loved, and installing this lack of commitment into our personality may not be the best way to enter a marriage.
Hi 88) Gemami
I am just a ordinary Singaporean who wants to: voice out
1. Voice out for the oppression of a minority of people who have different sexual orientations and are being “abused” with condemnations from those who are self righteousness.
2. To remind religious people here not to condemn or to judge these people cos we have no self-righteous rights to do so.
3. To create a possible learning attitude on how our issues faced (not only homosexuality, but also cancer, mental illness etc) relates to our environment, diet etc. (A holistic approach to life)
Lastly, I have nothing to sell nor I represent COOS or any particular group/organization. Ha ha :)
Pri six son wrote:
“The concern is that teachers may feel less than able to do this job, and our kids continue surfing the internet, and no one is teaching them about abstinance in a deliberate manner.”
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I think you have not read AWARE CSE material thoroughly. It is not teaching abstinance. Abstinance is considered out of date, no longer effective way to prevent abortion, and so on …. And I think you missed the point: SEX education is your responsibility (go read MOE statement again) The school will supplement it. Go read it again and think deep deep. parent teach their kid that homo is unhealthy BUT CSE say it is neutral. So wat wrg with is?
AWARE CSE material SHOULD BE suspended. And not only that, AWARE is NOT a suitable vendor for the sex education program in schools. There are many other ppl that can teach this subject. AWARE can teach in many other places. This is not abt parents against AWARE. . And it is not a issue about christianity. I am toaist and a woman.
The issue is what parents want in the sex education.. We parents already have a lot to worry about where our children are concerned. We have no time for AWARE and their EXCO problem. This is a problem for their members .. keep it within AWARE.
Are you surprised or shocked by what your 6 yr old son told you? Why?
In my family, I initiate the discussion about Edison Chen sex photos when it came up on the internet. I ask my son did he and his classmates search for those photos. You think wat we teach him? Dont be like Edison Chen or if son b stupid like Edison store the photos in the PC? i wonder wat u tell your 6 yr old? OR u think he too young to discuss?
My kids all have their own computer and they have free access to internet. We chat on MSN. The whole family will be involved – visit their blogs and see their websites. Our children are precious.. Even learn to understand the very funny way they write sms .. we parents do not live in the well. You cannot hold back your children.
And i do not participate in forums to talk rubbish. this is a serious topics affecting our children. there is better thing for me to do during this down turn. Business is down. Why do i bother to express myself here? To let some of you know that parents care. Wen MOE says that there is no complaints from parents We parents must quickly check and respond. MOE is the one that pointed their fingers at parents. MOE use this statement to protect themselves ..
Not all parents are perfect .. there is no school teaching parenting skill. Some parents nagged too much. I agree parents need to learn to communicate with their kids. I encourage kids to try to talk to their parents. No matter wat you are gay or lesbians, your parents love you always. Till today, my mother still worry about me. Just imagine that she is already 80.
Have a Happy Mother Day.
Hi Jer Lim,
You say you have nothing to sell but you’ve just sold a string of what you wanted to ‘Voice Out’.
It’s a good catch-phrase to bring awareness (oh no, Aware again) to the circumstances of the down-trodden. A noble cause also. Keep it up!
The word lifestyle suggests choice because one actually chooses what lifestyle he/she leads. However, the term homosexual lifestyle is an oxymoron because nobody chooses to be homosexual – it just so happens that some people are borne homosexual and realise they are attracted to the same sex even before they know the word homosexuality exists.
i’m quite tired of the way some portions of the society paint homosexuality as a LIFESTYLE.
i am a homosexual 27 year old chinese singaporean male. I have had a wonderful upbringing and share a very close relationship with family. i’m out to all of them and yes it was trying for my parents but they are very graciously learning to accept this. For this i am very proud of them.
i did not have a disturbed childhood
i did not lack a father figure
i was NOT molested as a child
my family taught me very ‘mainstream’ values but in the end i still prefer men sexually.
The point i’m trying to get at is, homosexuality is something that cannot be explained easily and it is definitely not a choice for a lot of us. We didn’t know when it is or why we started liking the same sex. for me it was literally the next most natural thing to do. Put it this way, if i were to ask a heterosexual male why he liked women, do you think he can list out a whole range of scientifically factual answers and reasons? (and no i will not accept the “but it’s the most natural and right thing to do answer because then i will tell you honestly that i feel it’s the most natural thing for me to like men). Such answers are hard to find, figuring out one’s sexuality is not maths. there is not ‘this plus this will definitely equal this” in this topic and i do not think anyone will dare to stand up and say that he or she has the ultimate answer to this whole issue. and come on grow up, let’s not all hide behind God’s name because everybody today has different gods and there are some who don’t subscribe to religion.
some portions of the society make us sound like people who deliberately choose to lead this life, like as if it were a very conscious decision. Like as if i one day woke up, looked at myself in the mirror and said “hey today i think i’m going to go gay cos it will really go well with the snazzy new shoes i bought”
being gay is not a lifeSTYLE choice. it’s not as simple as choosing to be vegetarian or choosing not to wear fur. it is not a lifeSTYLE. it is our life.
so stop making us sound like dyonistic purveyors of the dark side, coupling us together under the same category as aids, drugs, sex, rock and roll. It is possible to be normal and gay at the same time.
It’s an orientation that cannot be explained easily and, frankly speaking, one that people should not be too bothered by because ultimately i’m still the same as anyone else besides the fact that i like men.
let’s make it clear, we didn’t choose to be gay. we just were gay and it really sucks to be misunderstood. it really sucks when you harbour this inexplicable feeling of liking the same sex and then hearing your dumb friends say things like “fags are gross!” while you are having lunch with them. Or worse still, having these feelings and then hearing your parents say “son, i will be very disappointed if you become gay”. do you think we feel good when we hear such things? it just adds to our confusion. No one likes to be slammed with blanketed misunderstanding and negativity. I experienced all this as a teenager and i’m glad i was strong enough to not fall apart. I couldn’t help the feelings i had. I didn’t CHOOSE to have those homosexual inclinations. You don’t choose such things.
Instead of hiding behind their archaic dogmas, i’d urge such sections of society to come out in the open, engage in the unfamiliar and GET IT RIGHT before making their assumptions and conclusions.
your ignorance absolutely shows and it ain’t making you look good.
Lee Mun Wai
“91) BB on May 8th, 2009 12.49 pm
Go read it again and think deep deep. parent teach their kid that homo is unhealthy BUT CSE say it is neutral. So wat wrg with is?”
1) would it be better if some parents say homosexual is neutral concuring with “CSE say it is neutral” in your own words.
2) saying that it is neutral does not give indication whether it is healthy or unhealthy.
3) likewise, could anyone impute that you mean that hetrosexual is healthy. if so, to what extent or even with different multiple partners ??? of course, you did not say it youself. likewise, CSE did not say that homosexual is heathy – you seem to have done it vicariously for them.
to BB @ 91)
Well said and thanks for sharing a parent’s view point.
About time the majority of main stream parents be pro active and give their inputs to MOE with regards to the subject matter in a “revised” CSE program.
It is important to impress upon MOE that since penal code S377A is still in place
then it is prudent to point this out to students to create awareness for state laws.
Happy Mothers’ Day !
Hi #94) lee mun wai,
“your ignorance absolutely shows and it ain’t making you look good.”
Thanks for sharing. You know what the problem is – and I am going to tell it as it is, in all honesty, no sugar coating, no hiding behind anything. Mainstream people do not have to look good to you. Sorry if it hurts but I thought you might want to know why people behave the way they do.
“96) truth hurts on May 8th, 2009 2.42 pm
It is important to impress upon MOE that since penal code S377A is still in place
then it is prudent to point this out to students to create awareness for state laws.”
some other code or law also “says” some physical violence can also result in non-seizable offences. do you think it is also prudent to point this out to students to create awareness for state laws. well, truth indeed hurts
Mun Wai
we respect and love you as a person. you have every right to be what you want to be or born to be. No one is criticising you or judging you and i do thank you for your openness and honesty..
But if you start telling people to be like you and start telling people that they should all be like you, then I am going to come and clobber you on the head and anywhere in your body which hurts you most.
see the difference..
thanks and stay cool.
hi joe,
Since when homosexuals started telling people to be like them and start telling people that they should all be like you? Stop accusing of things they never do and never will do.
Another point that I dislike the term homosexual lifestyle is that it invokes the idea of homosexual sex being a major component of one’s life. Do you know how illogical that sounds?
I personally don’t think any religion is a mark of stupidity but a certain religion has a strong case for it.
Dr Catherine Lim’s letter is an embodiment of common sense, reason and fairness. It should be read and reflected upon by all parents.
It is both funny and sad that in the year 2009, many people still insist that homosexuality is a choice of lifestyle, or the result of experimentation. Many more regard it as a sin or an aberration to be scorned. Given the way homosexuals are treated like pariahs, why would any of them choose to be gay? And if sexual orientation can be changed by experimentation, many gays would have been cured. Whatever the cause, why should homosexuality be treated as wrong, when it causes absolutely no harm to anybody? Its only effect on society is that a union of two gay people does not result in procreation. But that does not matter, since life on planet earth is already threatened to extinction by over-population.
The day of justice will dawn. In the meantime, we console ourselves by recalling that not too long ago the Catholic Church persecuted Galileo for saying that the earth revolved around the sun, and many Christians still believe the earth was created in seven days four thousand years ago and their earliest grandmother was created out of Adam’s rib.