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I understand even amongst the medical profession, there’s great debate on this subject. So the debate goes on: biological or psychological or how much of a blend between the both. Even all neurologists acknowledge the complexity of the brain is so immense they have yet to grasp its complexity.

Some the commentators seem to reject/object propositions that therapy have helped those with sexuality identity issues ie especially those cases who have decided to be ex-gays. Here, I’m not suggesting the endorsement of NARTH therapy programs. I am referring to therapy in general which brought closure for the individual concerned.

As a result of such successes, there will always be great debate. It would have been so so much simpler if science has discovered an equation/gene to substantiate which ever the proposition.

The great homosexual debate did not start during this century. The debate has already played out in early human history – Greek / Roman /Mesopotamian / Chinese / Indus civilisations. As a species, homo sapiens have survived these thousands of years due to its societies’ heterosexual relationships being the norm. Perhaps because of this, “mainstream conservatism” seems to guard its stand that heterosexual relationships is a fundamental to its societies’ survival.

Reading the CSE trainer’s manual and hearing what the Old Guard had to say, I believe that this is their stance as well. It’s not so-much promoting acceptance of gays, but if safe sex has to be promoted, gays and lesbians cannot be made to feel the topic is only relevant to straight people. That is why I feel that the CSE cannot state that homosexuality is morally wrong (it has to be left to the parents)- because, let’s face it, there will be people among the audience who may not be straight, and the last thing we want them to do is to ’switch off’.

Like it or not, society as a whole, and not just the GLBT community alone, bears the burden of consequences of unsafe sexual practices among the GLBTs.

This isn’t about a clash of values, but making sure everyone wins at the end of the day.

1. It is not situable as a stable family structure. (also government’s position)
2. there are different viewpoints
3. trainer is not to offer his/her opinion (official or personal) as it is out of the scope of the program.
4. it depends on your own faith and family values.

Is this anti-gay? Of course not. It just respects the parent’s right.

I have never discriminated against gays. I teach my children to love the person – does not manner what he has done but not the act. Btw that christian faith view.

I do not claim to be the perfect parent but I try really hard.

I pay taxes too – an alot of it. I am not trying to say I make alot but in a similar manner, my money goes to national development. I do not go around and say that your rights are to be removed if the gay community is in need of funding?

I have always maintain your right to your choices as adults. Do not try to impose your views and values on my children.

Whether other parents are as responsible as me is not my concern but the collective majority of what the children should be taught on homosexuality should be decided only be the parents not non-parents. The fact is that you do not have the responsibilities for the children’s future is enough of a reason. Its at least 21 years of full responsibilities for each child and guess what, it never ends after they turn adult.

I am totally aware and expect that my children will grow up as adults and make choices. I teach them that and make it known that some of those choices may not be what I approve but that’s theirs to make. I will always be there to advise even if they do not like what I have to say.

I have maintained that I do not comment or tried to influence on the gay community based on my values. I will fight every step of the way if any one from the gay community try to influence how my family values are taught based on theirs.

Last thought for you. Consider why the government refuses to lower the voting age? Will they allow voting at 12? or 15? or even 18? Its because of the fear of immaturity and being able to make the proper decision. (note proper will mean different things to different people but when you are an adult, you can take responsibility for that decision),

then Sick of Hypocrites goes on to imply in his/her response (121) that he/she and only he/she should have the right to teach his/her child. a very concerned parent he/she is. and i’m glad for that, let’s hope he/she truly practices what he/she preaches because i sure am not seeing kids these days being very well brought up, me being a teacher and having to face them myself.

I’m sure if all parents were as prudent, loving and nurturing as Sick of Hypocrites then maybe singaporean youth might not be as degenerate and uninformed as they are now.

I sincerely hope you’re as prudent a parent as you make yourself out to be Sick of Hypocrites, cos if you are then i’m very happy that your child’s/children’s moral and character building is/are well taken care of.

If not, we are always her to extend a helping hand to you. Maybe if you get to know us a little better, you’ll realise we aren’t that bad. haha. Seriously, stop freaking out…i’m sure your children are amazingly smart. you might have total and absolute responsibilty and ownership over your child/children but they are humans also, not your handbags and shoes. So stop making them sound like inanimate property. they need their own voice too. expose them to more and stop freaking out. teach them to understand, empathise and decipher, not fear and shun.

One day, they’ll be on their own anyway, you do realise that don’t you.

Lee Mun Wai

Suppose CSE removes the mention of homosexuality and anal sex. What happens if a student asks about homosexuality. What should the instructor say then?

75pc of public want tougher Web censorship
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A survey on the review of the Control of Obscene and Indecent Articles Ordinance shows the general public is more in favour of regulating cyberspace than the internet community.

More than 75 per cent of the 1,531 interviewees aged 15 or above think government regulation of obsence and indecent articles online should be “stricter than it is now”.

http://www.scmp.com/portal/site/SCMP/menuitem.2c913216495213d5df646910cba0a0a0/?vgnextoid=c164f3bbb2021210VgnVCM100000360a0a0aRCRD&vgnextfmt=teaser&ss=Hong+Kong&s=idx_News

On who has a right to speak on what is to be taught – That may be your view that you not being a parent or even any gap person out there have a right to say what should be taught.

I am totally against that. You have no right to determine what my child shoud be taught. Only the collective majority of parents opinion should be considered. You want to have a say, be a parent. Its like saying that you want to influence how my child’s upbringing is supposed to be. That’s interference in my family. Even the government agrees that the program needs to be suspended. They have been caught off guard by this underhanded method of sneaky this information. You should first take it up with the authorities and convince them that your view is correct before you bring it up here.

The majority of parents will want to be the ones to impart the values towards Homosexuality. This being the case, it should be silent less the values which is not consistent with what the parents want.

Sure, you have all those messages in songs, movies, TV, papers, magazines, etc. That’s why as a parent, its so tough to have to explain it and set the right values that we want to impart. My child may reject these values when they grow up and become an adult but until then, thats the values I will taught and want to impact. I do not need some one who has no responsibility for my child to come and tell my child what he or she should view about a controversial topic.

Again, CSE is no place to make any statement on Homosexuality. The point here is that the government has set what the guidelines what should be in the CSE and the Aware program has violated it and is rightly suspended. Period. Deal with it.

Homosexuality is not the only sex issue in society today.

Child sex, animal sex, incest, pedophiles, etc – where do you draw the line. Should CSE include these to be comprehensive?

haha, you guys are hilarious. i’m trying to picture this scenario for real and i’m just laughing out loud now.

kudos to the both of you for pointing out this hilariously nonsensical concept.

Lee Mun Wai

http://www.narth.com/menus/born.html

Even if, say, some are in fact “born that way”, can it be said that ALL gays are born that way? There are probably a significant proportion who became that way as a result of what happened to them in their lives. And there are also some who practice homosexual acts by choice, and even as a preference.

Spot on. I can’t understand where this paranoia comes from. It’s like they’re scared
that one day they’ll be walking down the street checking out the ladies in a “mainstream, healthy lifestyle” way, but then all of a sudden, KABOOM, damned if those sneaky homos haven’t slipped me one and turned me gay!

Isn’t there a name for this – heterosexual hysteria?

1. Constitutional amendments at the recent EOGM were made to allow men (associate members of AWARE) to have full voting rights?

2. Some men took the stand declared their homosexual status and announced their support of the Comprehensive
Sex programme to the loud cheer of the old guards.

I did not read this in the Press..so maybe not true???

a) kids reading and seeing material on the web pages of the Internet while alone,
b) kids giggling or blushing when they do that with other friends

and

c) an appointed speaker paid for by their school telling them that “homosexuality is neutral”.

it is a BBBBIGGGGG difference!

Not often government back-tracks.

And where (if any) would you have revised piece if the second MoE statement had come out before the above was published. Might not be so optimistic abt change in public view of GLBTs?

understanding and being informed. that should be the way to go.

not fear, doubt and ignorance.

Lee Mun Wai

whaaaat, how exactly does one “recruit” and “influence” someone else to be gay?! your sexuality is your own lifestyle choice, i don’t think there’s recruitment offices and training camps like you’re making it out to be. i mean, how the heck are you going to “influence” someone to be gay – make them watch gay porn till they cave?!

After this, however, he decided to stop the sessions as ’some of the values communicated were different from what the school believes in and the programme was not a good fit’. He did not elaborate. ”
Minister said AWARE CSE exceeded guidelines. Read about it in ST today.