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	<title>Comments on: Don’t turn my country into an administrative state</title>
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		<title>By: KopitiamApek</title>
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		<dc:creator>KopitiamApek</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 May 2009 15:22:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#2#3) Tan Kin Lian 
The advantage of the US system is that the elected members of Congress can focus on their main job as legislators. Laws are well debated, before they are passed.

The secretaries of various functions (i.e. ministers) do not have responsibilities to represent the people who elect them. They can focus on running their departments well. &quot;

Agree on your point about running their depts well. The ministers&#039;  time is spread so thinly to attend to so many umpteen social functions in the wards they rep, it is a wonder how they could have trime for anything else. There is a human limit to multitasking.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#2#3) Tan Kin Lian<br />
The advantage of the US system is that the elected members of Congress can focus on their main job as legislators. Laws are well debated, before they are passed.</p>
<p>The secretaries of various functions (i.e. ministers) do not have responsibilities to represent the people who elect them. They can focus on running their departments well. &#8221;</p>
<p>Agree on your point about running their depts well. The ministers&#8217;  time is spread so thinly to attend to so many umpteen social functions in the wards they rep, it is a wonder how they could have trime for anything else. There is a human limit to multitasking.</p>
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		<title>By: aiyoyo</title>
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		<dc:creator>aiyoyo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 May 2009 06:46:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>aiyoyo

looking at these bla bla bla folks,

not sure commoners tax paid, is it worth?

aiyoyo</description>
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<p>looking at these bla bla bla folks,</p>
<p>not sure commoners tax paid, is it worth?</p>
<p>aiyoyo</p>
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		<title>By: theforgottongeneration</title>
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		<dc:creator>theforgottongeneration</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 May 2009 04:14:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Let consider some hypothetical scenarios to test this guy&#039;s suggestion:

1) A Mr K. got in due to his &quot;talents&quot;. He rubs the PM well and is able to recommend his similarly talented ... err &quot;large pool of capable individuals&quot;, who soon join him in Parliament. $10K++/mth a piece.

2) E.g. the current STTA saga. Say LBW got democratically booted out by the PEOPLE in next election(?), regardless whether she is really devil or saint. So, loss of a person that got Singapore a silver medal after 48 years with only 1 month at the helm of STTA -- read as quick results in short time = very capable leader. To ensure continual success in 2012 games, she get re-appointed back as, say, Sr Sport Minister due to her passion for TT, proven record of steering STTA to an Olympic medal 2008 and whatever good points that got her in Parliament in first place. $14K++/mth, slight EQ/mouth deficient.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Let consider some hypothetical scenarios to test this guy&#8217;s suggestion:</p>
<p>1) A Mr K. got in due to his &#8220;talents&#8221;. He rubs the PM well and is able to recommend his similarly talented &#8230; err &#8220;large pool of capable individuals&#8221;, who soon join him in Parliament. $10K++/mth a piece.</p>
<p>2) E.g. the current STTA saga. Say LBW got democratically booted out by the PEOPLE in next election(?), regardless whether she is really devil or saint. So, loss of a person that got Singapore a silver medal after 48 years with only 1 month at the helm of STTA &#8212; read as quick results in short time = very capable leader. To ensure continual success in 2012 games, she get re-appointed back as, say, Sr Sport Minister due to her passion for TT, proven record of steering STTA to an Olympic medal 2008 and whatever good points that got her in Parliament in first place. $14K++/mth, slight EQ/mouth deficient.</p>
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		<title>By: Angelina</title>
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		<dc:creator>Angelina</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 May 2009 19:44:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I thought we are supposed to progress? The thought of detention without trial frightens people, now this!   Are we going back to the dark ages?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I thought we are supposed to progress? The thought of detention without trial frightens people, now this!   Are we going back to the dark ages?</p>
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		<title>By: Gerald Giam</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gerald Giam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 May 2009 16:36:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#8 T -

Actually that is exactly what is being done in Malaysia. Some of the UMNO losers in the March 08 GE got appointed as Senators, so they could be appointed as Ministers. I believe the woman who lost to Anwar&#039;s daughter was one of them.</description>
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<p>Actually that is exactly what is being done in Malaysia. Some of the UMNO losers in the March 08 GE got appointed as Senators, so they could be appointed as Ministers. I believe the woman who lost to Anwar&#8217;s daughter was one of them.</p>
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		<title>By: Lim Chin Tiong</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lim Chin Tiong</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 May 2009 16:22:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow, such a talent serving the people.
You all deserve it. You had the choice and you actually made the right choice. Well done.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow, such a talent serving the people.<br />
You all deserve it. You had the choice and you actually made the right choice. Well done.</p>
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		<title>By: Chua Mui Mui of Hohlarnd</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chua Mui Mui of Hohlarnd</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 May 2009 16:20:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That man proved to me, just me only, something about a human.
Its proven. Right in front of our eyes. Solid evidence.

Allow me to digress, my fren wants me to ask a question :
Given there are so many talents based on the 81 talents in the house, why none of these join the Alternative party to make singapore Democracy proud and more robust?

Time to have my siesta.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That man proved to me, just me only, something about a human.<br />
Its proven. Right in front of our eyes. Solid evidence.</p>
<p>Allow me to digress, my fren wants me to ask a question :<br />
Given there are so many talents based on the 81 talents in the house, why none of these join the Alternative party to make singapore Democracy proud and more robust?</p>
<p>Time to have my siesta.</p>
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		<title>By: SZ</title>
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		<dc:creator>SZ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 May 2009 15:18:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Woa....Nice Hri Kumar, as expected from someone from Bishan-Toa Payoh...

Just like what the people here has suggested, it seems that this is like a move to defend their power position...the way it is, the way they are doing it, we should really just hand them a one party state on a silver platter and we will become like some place a little to the north-west</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Woa&#8230;.Nice Hri Kumar, as expected from someone from Bishan-Toa Payoh&#8230;</p>
<p>Just like what the people here has suggested, it seems that this is like a move to defend their power position&#8230;the way it is, the way they are doing it, we should really just hand them a one party state on a silver platter and we will become like some place a little to the north-west</p>
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		<title>By: Walau</title>
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		<dc:creator>Walau</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 May 2009 14:39:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just to add-on to #54 Indignified&#039;s comments - the writings are already on the wall: MM&#039;s recent visit to China heaping the accolades on the Commerce Minister and lamenting about how Singapore needs talents like him to be in gahmen, plus the fact that Singapore&#039;s Ministerial comp-ben is one of the best, if not the best in the world make the scenario of a &#039;professional&#039; Cabinet not unlikely if such electoral changes take place!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just to add-on to #54 Indignified&#8217;s comments &#8211; the writings are already on the wall: MM&#8217;s recent visit to China heaping the accolades on the Commerce Minister and lamenting about how Singapore needs talents like him to be in gahmen, plus the fact that Singapore&#8217;s Ministerial comp-ben is one of the best, if not the best in the world make the scenario of a &#8216;professional&#8217; Cabinet not unlikely if such electoral changes take place!</p>
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		<title>By: Walau</title>
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		<dc:creator>Walau</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 May 2009 14:18:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#54 Indignified - Fantastic piece of work!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#54 Indignified &#8211; Fantastic piece of work!</p>
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		<title>By: kf</title>
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		<dc:creator>kf</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 May 2009 13:15:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh dear, it&#039;s clear that public discontent over policy makers being out of touch is going to be a real issue. This guy has just taken a big fan to fan the fire.....
His suggestion to insulate ministers is a career-limiting move.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh dear, it&#8217;s clear that public discontent over policy makers being out of touch is going to be a real issue. This guy has just taken a big fan to fan the fire&#8230;..<br />
His suggestion to insulate ministers is a career-limiting move.</p>
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		<title>By: tokselehon</title>
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		<dc:creator>tokselehon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 May 2009 11:36:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This piece by hri kumar is dangerous.

There&#039;s nothing I can say.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This piece by hri kumar is dangerous.</p>
<p>There&#8217;s nothing I can say.</p>
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		<title>By: Joel Low</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joel Low</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 May 2009 10:51:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If this suggestion is realised, election will be just a show... Just like the recent North Korea election.... People are dancing on the street...... How fake can that be?

Think about it.  If key positions or ministerial position holders are chosen and not elected then General Election is meaningless.  We might as well call ourselves Singapore Limited...... and all of us are just employees.... not citizens anymore.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If this suggestion is realised, election will be just a show&#8230; Just like the recent North Korea election&#8230;. People are dancing on the street&#8230;&#8230; How fake can that be?</p>
<p>Think about it.  If key positions or ministerial position holders are chosen and not elected then General Election is meaningless.  We might as well call ourselves Singapore Limited&#8230;&#8230; and all of us are just employees&#8230;. not citizens anymore.</p>
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		<title>By: Hahaha</title>
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		<dc:creator>Hahaha</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 May 2009 09:41:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Any online petition to sign against this?</description>
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		<title>By: As long as accept</title>
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		<dc:creator>As long as accept</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 May 2009 08:43:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As long as the people support his idea,  Kumar’s  recommendation may be realised.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As long as the people support his idea,  Kumar’s  recommendation may be realised.</p>
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		<title>By: Joel Low</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joel Low</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 May 2009 08:40:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Seriously guys.  Do you really think  MP Hri Kumar dare to make such a radical speech and suggestion.  There is no doubt that that is a prepared speech from the PAP.  Haven&#039;t we seen it coming when PM Lee said in a PAP meeting that 1-party ruling is the key for Singapore?  When SM Goh mentioned political changes, haven&#039;t we seen this coming.  This is what they are going to do.... sooner or later.  They knew Singaporean are getting more and more intelligent and now know about what is human rights and true freedom.  They have to make sure that it will become more and more difficult for any parties to replace them.  Fairness is never PAP&#039;s agenda.  

The PAP has always been against checks to be put in place as what MP Low of WP raised it up in Parliament.  If PAP has been honest and have high integrity, what is the problem of checks being put in place?  

This economic crisis has woken up many citizens, so that is why this big and radical changes going to take place.  Singapore is not an unique country from the world, we do not need to dilute democracy to suit ourselves.  It is a myth that PAP has been telling everyone that the freedom and rights of HUMAN of the western world do not suit us.  We are HUMAN too.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Seriously guys.  Do you really think  MP Hri Kumar dare to make such a radical speech and suggestion.  There is no doubt that that is a prepared speech from the PAP.  Haven&#8217;t we seen it coming when PM Lee said in a PAP meeting that 1-party ruling is the key for Singapore?  When SM Goh mentioned political changes, haven&#8217;t we seen this coming.  This is what they are going to do&#8230;. sooner or later.  They knew Singaporean are getting more and more intelligent and now know about what is human rights and true freedom.  They have to make sure that it will become more and more difficult for any parties to replace them.  Fairness is never PAP&#8217;s agenda.  </p>
<p>The PAP has always been against checks to be put in place as what MP Low of WP raised it up in Parliament.  If PAP has been honest and have high integrity, what is the problem of checks being put in place?  </p>
<p>This economic crisis has woken up many citizens, so that is why this big and radical changes going to take place.  Singapore is not an unique country from the world, we do not need to dilute democracy to suit ourselves.  It is a myth that PAP has been telling everyone that the freedom and rights of HUMAN of the western world do not suit us.  We are HUMAN too.</p>
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		<title>By: gj</title>
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		<dc:creator>gj</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 May 2009 08:31:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>By the way Mr Kumar, Who voted you in?</description>
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		<title>By: Peter Sellers</title>
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		<dc:creator>Peter Sellers</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 May 2009 08:16:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh, that our MPs would display such wisdom! 

All it shows is that the PAP is a party that has reached a dead end, that it is unable to attract talented and caring Singaporeans to join it and that it is bankrupt of new ideas. 

This puts the lie, once and for all, to the MMs thesis that &quot;it is necessary to pay top dollars to get the best brains to join government&quot;. No amount of money will draw some people to join the present PAP government. 

The PAP government in 1965 was a different one. Today, it is a different beast.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh, that our MPs would display such wisdom! </p>
<p>All it shows is that the PAP is a party that has reached a dead end, that it is unable to attract talented and caring Singaporeans to join it and that it is bankrupt of new ideas. </p>
<p>This puts the lie, once and for all, to the MMs thesis that &#8220;it is necessary to pay top dollars to get the best brains to join government&#8221;. No amount of money will draw some people to join the present PAP government. </p>
<p>The PAP government in 1965 was a different one. Today, it is a different beast.</p>
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		<title>By: Babu in the house</title>
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		<dc:creator>Babu in the house</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 May 2009 08:10:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Don’t turn my country into an administrative state&quot;

Gerald,
i assume you mean its already not  like that and just that you fear it might become that?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Don’t turn my country into an administrative state&#8221;</p>
<p>Gerald,<br />
i assume you mean its already not  like that and just that you fear it might become that?</p>
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		<title>By: Daniel</title>
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		<dc:creator>Daniel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 May 2009 07:17:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;watch it…….the final annoucement is to confimed what the cronies said will be more or less final. there, the game started…&quot;
Worry not, like all PAP&#039;s losing game, the game will end the moment it started because it has MOVE ON.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;watch it…….the final annoucement is to confimed what the cronies said will be more or less final. there, the game started…&#8221;<br />
Worry not, like all PAP&#8217;s losing game, the game will end the moment it started because it has MOVE ON.</p>
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