Comments on: Fallacies of the boon of PAP dominance

By: unabel

unabel — Sat, 30 May 2009 06:39:41 +0000

From 1965, the PAP prefers that when ten persons sit down for meals, only one person gives the order-taking. If it is chicken-rice, then all eat chicken-rice as the order is
taken within a few seconds. Gradually now, three persons are given the privilege to place orders, which will take more than 10seconds of order-taking as one, or two or even three others, will order/change for a different meal.

The pro is – speed, the food is served quickly. The con is – you ain’t got a choice.
My take has always been, the Chinese Sporeans are more “obedient”. If Spore’s population had been at least 50% non-Chinese, the PAP could not have just “shove food, albeit nice, down peoples’ throats”

By: MollyCoddled MP

MollyCoddled MP — Thu, 28 May 2009 06:51:45 +0000

What can you expect from the mouths of mollycoddled MPs?

By: mice is nice

mice is nice — Thu, 28 May 2009 06:29:43 +0000

sometimes, MPs from PAP forget that they are not there to warm seats up, they are there to do serious work.

can they focus on work instead of thumbing the few who does not sing PAP’s tune mindlessly.

they should look in the mirror & ask what have they contributed to S’pore.

By: Spirit-centred

Spirit-centred — Thu, 28 May 2009 05:50:52 +0000

Besides providing outside checks and balance on the ruling party, the opposition party has a very important role to ensure the continuation of the government in the event that the ruling party in government are wiped out due to unforseen circumstances such as pandemic (not supposed to be a curse but a likely scenario) then whoever survive should shoulder the responsibility of government. Singaporean must have this preparedness, as you all know all good things do not last forever, we must step by step voted in maybe 10 to 20 capable opposition members to be trained in the running of Town Councils and in Parliaments and once they got these experiences then send more in to form the next government so that they can be trained to be ministers to run the country. Once these are achieved, we can safely say that we have a backup government for the future of our country. In the event that any party fall-short of our expectations then we will elected the party that is available. This definitely ensure our continued survival as a nation.
By just having a dominant ruling party and a very weak opposition/alternative parties is a national crisis in the making, please lets us all reflect on this matter seriously.

By: dying freedom

dying freedom — Thu, 28 May 2009 02:31:27 +0000

25) i like better people on May 27th, 2009 6.59 pm

Totally agreed with you. And there is no such thing as “better people”!

By: Daniel

Daniel — Wed, 27 May 2009 23:09:30 +0000

“Dunno. Let’s abolish GRC system, and see outcome.’
Yes, it is time that Gang-ster stop Raping the Citizen of voting right. Those hiding behind master’s back getting free lunch , privilege and backdoor to trample the citizens.

By: Daniel

Daniel — Wed, 27 May 2009 23:04:20 +0000

“82 PAP MPs in parliament with not a few asleep, all compliant and at the Master’s beck and call, to be attack dogs when the nod is given, not to attack the govt but to attack the Opposition! As though by an orchestrated chorus of noises, they will drown out the two lonely but valiant and genuine people’s representatives.”

Agree. That is why the latest change in NCMP is ineffective because these dogs are still around taking turn to bark and bit those disagree with their master. What is worse is that the number of NCMP are increased as more meals for these dogs. I’m sure very soon NCMP will get to taste the rabid of some of these running dogs.

By: white raven

white raven — Wed, 27 May 2009 22:51:34 +0000

Did all these smart aleck PAP MPs do their jobs well and sink their teeth in to bite hard when there was a need to demand accountability and transparency from the govt over Temasek’s and GIC losses? Did we see sincere checking and intensive scrutiny of Town Councils’ losses, the great MSK escape? 82 PAP MPs in parliament with not a few asleep, all compliant and at the Master’s beck and call, to be attack dogs when the nod is given, not to attack the govt but to attack the Opposition! As though by an orchestrated chorus of noises, they will drown out the two lonely but valiant and genuine people’s representatives.

By: toiletmatter

toiletmatter — Wed, 27 May 2009 16:14:24 +0000

Josephine Teo’s remarks are telling of the ruling party’s implicit agenda to ensure that any changes to the political system entail a continued predisposition to PAP’s hegemony. Other than being guilty of conflating the interests of the party and the state, Teo presented Parliament with a false dichotomy in asking whether it was “better for Singapore to support an opposition … in the hope that it could govern well when it overthrows a corrupt PAP … (or) to make sure that the PAP … has the strongest team to serve Singaporeans

obviously, these are self condemning words instructed by the higher ups to be conveyed by the lower downs.

By: mice is nice

mice is nice — Wed, 27 May 2009 16:05:44 +0000

who would have any issues if the promised Swiss standard of living is reality for ALL S’poreans. if i am living that standard of life now, i’ll gladly let them dominate all they want. lol…

By: Small Time Businessman

Small Time Businessman — Wed, 27 May 2009 15:43:08 +0000

to bob:

“Come on, even if we had SMCs, who would you vote for, hand on heart?”

Dunno. Let’s abolish GRC system, and see outcome.

By: anon

anon — Wed, 27 May 2009 14:32:19 +0000

i think low tk is good tempered.

since the pap mp says as long as elected means the best, i will tell her to shut up & sit down :-)
she was never elected since day 1, always being under lky grc walkover.

By: David

David — Wed, 27 May 2009 13:49:02 +0000

I feel extremely worried when people rejected Check & balances on the current govt. Such rejections proved that they have more worms to hide and cannot be made public. No wonder singaporeans are poor, let’s push ourselves further to dig out those tough worms,

By: Hindsight

Hindsight — Wed, 27 May 2009 11:59:03 +0000

History has shown repeatedly similar thoughts like Josephine Teo had brought about the decay, decline and fall of many great empires and societies in the past. Such arrogance shut up all new ideas and views that are contrary to the views and perogatives of the ruling class and had caused societies to decay, degenerate, decline and failed miserably. Latest example, the proud Ching Dynasty thought that they have everything and anything the world have and refused to have anything to do with other countries. Such arrogance resulted in the decay, decline and fall of the Ching Dynasty. Worst of all, the people of China suffered miserably and China became a very backward country compared to the other countries.

By: Hindsight

Hindsight — Wed, 27 May 2009 11:46:26 +0000

History has shown repeatly

By: Joel Low

Joel Low — Wed, 27 May 2009 11:16:35 +0000

If you see their rebuttal carefully, it is a well prepared speech but does not answer completely the questions and comments raised by MP LOW…. They just want to ans have to finished what they were told to say… once done they can justified their existence in PAP. I think we can find better rebuttal here in TOC. Makes me think …. how much we pay these MPs per month?

By: thedoc

thedoc — Wed, 27 May 2009 11:05:51 +0000

lolwut?

This is failure of logic, reasoning and objectivity. So, for example, if the opposition were to turn corrupt (by whose standards anyway, since we already have million dollar paid loose cannons around), would they even pose a threat big enough to oust the current ruling party?

Advice to those 2 women, stfu and go back to making babies like how your PM wants you to instead of opening your mouth and making you look like an even bigger idiot than you already portray yourself as and please, drop that stupid looking hairstyle. Get David Gan to give you a hair cut if you can’t find any with your million dollar pay check.

Singaporeans neither support the PAP nor the opposition. It’s really about giving the people what they want to buy them over. If the opposition were to follow the footstep of the PAP tomorrow, do you honestly think that the people would support them? It’s not the 3 letters which make the party, it’s the people which make the party.

I leave you with some words, morepewpewlessqq!

No love,

doc.

By: aiyoyo

aiyoyo — Wed, 27 May 2009 11:02:54 +0000

aiyoyo

those bla bla bla elites

got go thru GE??

alamak talk so much not sure how it helps economy + commoners??

aiyoyo

By: i like better people

i like better people — Wed, 27 May 2009 10:59:15 +0000

“11) bob on May 27th, 2009 4.14 pm
If Low wants better opposition he simply has to go recruit better people, simple as that. The PAP has gone out of their way to deny him those better people – like most political parties would. that should be hte real debate.”

We are talking about politics and human nature even assuming they are better people. And do you know why they need high pay while trying to be dominant / denying opposition ‘better people’ like what you have said. It is all about human interest and because of this we need opposition to balance this interest.

You need interest to be circulated and not concentrated within one group so that the benefits of managing important national resources get circulated and shared as wide as possible among different differing groups. A real democratic process will ensure this.

The high compensation that your dear mini-starial friends are getting for one five-year term can last them many generations over unless they are spendtrift themselves while lesser mortals have to compete in our very encouragingly stressful society for much much less.

“Come on, even if we had SMCs, who would you vote for, hand on heart?”

Like in any game strategy, sometimes you need to sacrifice a little in one area to win big in some other bigger area. In short and to be a little blunt, you may have to vote in a monkey so that the other human beings will behave. Not true ? Why not try in out and see how they will sit up straight with attention.

By: Daniel Lim

Daniel Lim — Wed, 27 May 2009 10:36:12 +0000

Hi Bob #11,
Thank goodness that PAP recruited all the smart folks ahead of WP. Otherwise, WP with these smart people recruited may go down faster…than u can imagine. LOL