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Hi All:
Me forgotten to mention diseases, including HIV, that are cause by sexual relations. This too, we must be mindful and careful.
patriot
@curious
again , wild allegations and displays of ignorance- no one knows how Alexander the great died- it is variously postulated he died from perforated internal organs from typhoid or from muder by poisoning- dying from AIDS is certainly the wildest one I have ever heard of!
As for HIV , the virus jumped from chimps to humans in the !900s –
“Four of the earliest known instances of HIV infection are as follows:
A plasma sample taken in 1959 from an adult male living in what is now the Democratic Republic of the Congo.9
A lymph node sample taken in 1960 from an adult female, also from the Democratic Republic of the Congo.10
HIV found in tissue samples from an American teenager who died in St. Louis in 1969.11
HIV found in tissue samples from a Norwegian sailor who died around 1976.12
A 1998 analysis of the plasma sample from 1959 suggested that HIV-1 was introduced into humans around the 1940s or the early 1950s.13
In January 2000, the results of a new study14 suggested that the first case of HIV-1 infection occurred around 1931 in West Africa. This estimate (which had a 15 year margin of error) was based on a complex computer model of HIV’s evolution. ”
(Zhu, Tuofu, Korber & Nahinias. “An African HIV-1 Sequence from 1959 and Implications for the Origin of the Epidemic” Nature, 1998: 391: p. 594-597
Korber, Muldoon, Theiler, Gao, Gupta, Lapedes, Hahn, Wolinsky & Bhattacharya. “Timing the Ancestor of the HIV-1 Pandemic Strains” Science, 2000: 288: p. 1789-1796)
Nothing like your baseless assumptions , is it? Do you have any scientific proof of an Ancient form of AIDS that afflicted early Humans . If yes , give the link
102) clairty on May 19th, 2009 12.56 pm
//no one knows how Alexander the great died- it is variously postulated he died from perforated internal organs from typhoid or from muder by poisoning- dying from AIDS is certainly the wildest one I have ever heard of!//
I never said he died from Aids. Maybe the nuance escaped you but I said he “died at the tender age of 33 PROBABLY of an ANCIENT FORM of ‘Aids.
But if you think Aids came from the jungles of Africa I got bad news for you.
According to Dr Alan Cantwell, “AIDS became official in the U.S. in June 1981. At the time AIDS was unknown in Africa, and the epidemic did not begin there until autumn 1982 at the earliest”. See link below :
http://www.africaspeaks.com/articles/2005/0101.html
@curious 105
again , attempting to misinform and mislead –
FOr your information , a search on google throws up Dr Alan Cantwell’s name under “AIDS denialism”He publisehed some books on the issue of AIDS but that is hardly the same as peer revirewed articles in established medical journals, which are vetted by established specialists in their fields before publishing –
What is AIDS denialism? Read on
AIDS denialism refers to the views of a loosely connected group of individuals and organizations who deny that the human immunodeficiency virus (HIV) is the cause of acquired immune deficiency syndrome (AIDS). HIV/AIDS denialists prefer the terms “rethinker” or “dissident”. Some denialist groups reject the existence of HIV, while others accept that HIV exists but argue that it is a harmless passenger virus and not the cause of AIDS.
The causative role of HIV in the development of AIDS has been established by multiple lines of evidence as a subject of scientific consensus.[1][2] Denialist arguments are considered to be the result of cherry-picking and misrepresentation of predominantly outdated scientific data,[3] with the POTENTIAL to ENDANGER public health by dissuading people from using proven treatments.[4][5][6][2][7][8]
With the rejection of these arguments by the scientific community, AIDS denialist material is currently spread largely through the Internet.[8] Public health researchers have raised alarm at the human cost of AIDS denialism; independent estimates attribute 330,000 to 340,000 AIDS deaths, 171,000 HIV infections and 35,000 infant HIV infections to the South African government’s former embrace of AIDS denialism.[9][10]
this article in the New York TImes has a good write up on the irresponsibility of these groups and their effect on public health, esp those of the African Nations.
http://www.nytimes.com/2006/06/04/opinion/04moore.html
Someone will be marrying his /her dog and have a similar event at Hong Lim.
#18) Freedom To Love on May 17th, 2009 10.55 am The GLB is 10% of the population? We are in deep shit if that is so. How do he/she/it arrive at that?
Dear Curious,
You must be tired, endlessly patrolling this website, performing your duty as moral vigilante. You sound angry. Do not distress yourself with dark imaginings. Many fears are born of fatigue and loneliness. Learn to relax. Take up Yoga or meditate. Listen to soothing music or simply do nothing. Be on good terms with all persons.
Dear Gay Bashers,
Leave the gays alone. They are all children of the universe no less than you, the trees and the stars. They have a right to be here.
Dear Gays,
Be at peace with yourself and the world. Speak your truth quietly and clearly. Avoid loud and aggressive persons; they are vexatious to the spirit. Go placidly amid the noise and the haste, and remember what peace there may be in silence. Be cheerful. Strive to be happy.
If only tomorrow is our last day, how would we want to spent it ?
Will we still be so hash on others ? Will we still bother if the person next to you is a gay or not ? Many people i believe will become very gentle, nice and acceptance and that is how we all should be. Live and let live. Be happy.
If some people don’t agree with homosexuality purely because it isn’t pro-family, that’s their prerogative and they are entitled to feel that way. However, I don’t think that such prerogative gives anyone the right to discriminate. You needn’t agree with what a person is, but the least you can do is to accept him/her for who they are. Discrimination results in divisive society and is often the root cause to alienation and hatred.
Some people here keep referring to the gay lifestyle and how homosexuals shouldn’t choose to be gay. But who said it is a choice to begin with? Given a choice, do you think a gay person would choose to be gay, to have to deal with discrimination and not able to have his or her own family? Yes, there is always a choice, but the choice is about whether to accept oneself for who they are, not about whether to be gay or not. Why do people keep insisting that these folks have a choice? If the roles were reversed and homosexuality is the norm, I would like to see how these people make that choice. Asking a gay man to perform oral sex on a woman is as much of a chore as it is to get a straight man to perform oral sex on a man. If it’s difficult for you, it’s also difficult for them. If you find the idea of gay sex repulsive, guess what, they also find straight sex just as repulsive. But they don’t discriminate you for having sex with the opposite sex. They just accept you for who you are. Why is it so difficult to comprehend?
ladyofthenight – where the hell have you been? Someone you know around you is definitely gay. Perhaps you just don’t know it yet.
109) Rupert – Aren’t the gay activists and their straight sympathizers the ones who promote it as a choice and a lifestyle?
To the blahblah naggy wetblankets who think it’s their right to piss on a parade, get this: you weren’t there. You had no idea what it felt like to be there. And the event wasn’t held specifically to rile up people like you. It was held to affirm the existence of other people and other values and other ideas which you have difficulty admitting into your reality.
Does the sight of these people smiling, singing, picnicking in a park really threaten you so much? Do equal rights for gay citizens really rob you of your space? The only thing it does is burst this delusional bubble you have that straight people are somehow superior (morally, at least, in your eyes) to gay people, and that this superiority should translate to some form of political entitlement (marriage, non-decriminalisation of non-procreative sex acts), etc.
I sometimes wonder whether Singaporeans feel so disempowered that they’re willing to grab at anything–from their religious affiliation, to their heterosexuality–to spin into some kind of political capital. Is this what decades of election walkovers ultimately do to you?
Of course nobody is forcing you to ‘accept the gay lifestyle’ at gunpoint. We respect your right not to embrace homosexuals and approve of their sexual orientations. But the crucial question is, can you ensure that your non-acceptance/non-tolerance etc does not translate into acts of discrimination?
In other words, does your right to reject homosexuality as ‘incorrect, abnormal, disgusting, morally repugnant’, also mean a right to discriminate against homosexuals as you see fit? Does it give you the right to tell a homosexual ‘I think you’re a freak of nature, and you’re sick, and you’re sexually challenged, and you’re in pain’ and not bother about whether you’re hurting another human being, because after all, you are on the path of the righteous?
The weirdest thing I find about so many anti-gay comments is that they come from people who aren’t even gay. It’s like men telling women, ‘you’re hysterical, it’s because of your hormones’. Or white people telling blacks, ‘you people are just naturally violent, it’s in your genes’. And here we have straight people telling gay people, ‘trust me, you’re gay not because it’s inborn but because your experiences have shaped you this way–now tell me which uncle sodomised you to turn you like this’. Thio Su Mien has ‘counselled’ and ‘ministered’ lesbians who she claims have been abused by their fathers and hence to her ALL lesbians are people who have been abused by their fathers. Thio Li-Ann confessed in an ST interview that she has only TWO gay acquaintances, and this somehow makes her an expert on homosexuality.
When my partner falls ill, I get worried. When our elbows touch in the cinema, my skin tingles. When I’m away from him, I think about what he is doing and wonder if he thinks of me too, and whether our brainwaves take the form of invisible clasped hands. When I hold his hand in bed a current runs through my arm and lights the lonely lantern of my heart. When we eat at a hawker centre we spoon food onto each others’ plates. We plan surprise birthday parties for each other, although there’ll always be some big-mouthed friend to spoil it (but we pretend that we’re surprised anyway). We call each other before we go to sleep, and talk about the things that happened during our day, and even the most banal exchanges (my boss was horrible today, my mum cooked my favourite dish) is underlined–even if unspoken–by a longing for each other (I wished you were there to defend me in front of my boss, I wished you were there to share the food with me).
All of this might be a mystery to you. Simply because the person I am talking about is the same gender as I am. But it happens. And I recognise it as love. I know it as love. And there is a carnal dimension to it. For someone like ‘patriot’ to tell me that what I feel for my partner should be excluded from categories of love simply based on the nature of that carnal expression shows the kind of insulting, patronising, holier-than-thou attitude that characterises so many of the anti-gay comments in this thread.
When my partner falls ill, I get worried. When our elbows touch in the cinema, my skin tingles. When I’m away from him, I think about what he is doing and wonder if he thinks of me too, and whether our brainwaves take the form of invisible clasped hands. When I hold his hand in bed a current runs through my arm and lights the lonely lantern of my heart. When we eat at a hawker centre we spoon food onto each others’ plates. We plan surprise birthday parties for each other. We call each other before we go to sleep, and talk about the things that happened during our day, and even the most banal exchanges (my teacher was horrible today, my mum cooked my favourite dish) is underlined–even if unspoken–by a longing for each other (I wished you were there to defend me in front of my teacher, I wished you were there to share the food with me).
All of this might be a mystery to you. Simply because the person I am talking about is but just a decade old. But it happens. And I recognise it as love. I know it as love. And there is a carnal dimension to it.
Stranger, it’s fine if you don’t agree with people who have different sexual orientations from you, but what you just wrote in response to ‘Hmmmm’ is just downright hurtful.
The argument for homosexual relationships–between mutually consenting adult partners, does NOT hold for pedophilia and sexual relations with minors.
No country in the world, that has legalised homosexuality, or even legalised same-sex marriage, has legalised pedophilia or bestiality, or other kinds of sexual pathologies that anti-gay people like to mention in the same breath.
Not a single country. Your slippery slope argument doesn’t hold.
114) Stranger,
pls wait for 8 more years….when s/he can give consent.
though I am surprised a 10 year old can feed you, and even plan a surprise birthday party.. wow.
It is sad to see these anti-gay commentators gloating over their own witty comments, not caring what harm they are causing to others.
Do not do to others what you do not want them to do to you.
The argument for homosexual relationships–between mutually consenting adult partners, does NOT hold for pedophilia and sexual relations with minors.
No country in the world, that has legalised homosexuality, or even legalised same-sex marriage, has legalised pedophilia or bestiality, or other kinds of sexual pathologies that anti-gay people like to mention in the same breath.
Not a single country. Your slippery slope argument doesn’t hold.
Stranger #114,
Wow. How much of magical scripture do you have to read to get as uneducated as that?
hmmm@119: So would it be ok if a country legalised it? Is right and wrong determined by whether it is legalised or not?
slim@120: Probably as much magical theories as you.
92) patriot on May 19th, 2009 12.34 am
“Historically, traditionally and EMPIRICALLY, marriages(union of the sexes) are sanctified, solemn and ceremonious affairs, in every culture everywhere in the World.”
when you used the words “Historically, traditionally and EMPIRICALLY” and “marriages” together, you know you are promoting polygamy, right?
Hi Lobo76 #123:
me is not promoting any system or classification of marriages.
My comment is to reflect that marriages that are legally, customarily recognized in almost everywhere historically, traditionally and empirically are INVARIABLY between opposite genders. I would like to add here that i am awared of Muslim man who can fulfulfil certain requirements are allowed more than one spouse.
Pessimist #97 had reponded to my comment too, i take this occaison to state that my point was, is that sexual unions(marriages) that are sanctified and accepted by all cultures are all between opposite genders. As to how many spouses a man or a woman can have, it varies amongst different cultures, but this is not my focus in the Comment.
Wish that readers can understand that the Issue being discussed here is sexuality and sexual activities amongst members of similar genders.
patriot
Dear Readers:
i made a spelling mistake in the above post on the word ‘occasion’.
Do forgive.
patriot
Stranger #122,
Aiyah, why you get offended? How you do know which brand of magical scripture I was referring to? Presumably, you would agree that mumbo-jumbo scriptures do exist, just that yours (which ever it is) is real.
Stranger @122:
hmmm@119: So would it be ok if a country legalised it? Is right and wrong determined by whether it is legalised or not?
Going by your argument, then I can say, just because homosexuality is illegal in Singapore, doesn’t mean it’s immoral or that it’s wrong. Is right and wrong determined by whether it is legalised or not?
Try again. : )
@Zefly #116
As someone who’s gay and subject to so much misinformed views and hostile attitudes, I don’t find myself hurt at all by what Stranger has done–which I find neither witty nor cruel, but just…ignorant.
I try to provide an insight into what it means for me to love another person, and to demonstrate that it is not very different from the way heterosexuals fall in love. But rather than accepting this as grounds for empathy, Stranger has decided to completely reject that there might be any common humanity between me and him and has instead painted a scenario calculated to raise moral outrage.
He could have replaced ‘a decade old’ with ‘my father’ or ‘a dog’. It’s a common anti-gay strategy, which is to place homosexuality along a continuum of various obviously psychopathological and sociopathic behaviour. In her parliament speech, Thio Li-Ann used these following words/phrases with regards to gay people: ‘immoral’, ‘dishonoured’, ‘a human wrong’, ‘gender identity disorder’, ‘moral repugnancy’, ‘promiscuity’, ‘hedonism’, ‘narcissism’, ‘undesirable’, ‘sexual licentiousness’, ‘culture of lust’, ‘selfish’, ‘hurtful’, and ‘liberal fundamentalist’.
I don’t think being equated with a pedophile is the worst I’ve heard. But anyway, thank you for the empathy. I appreciate it.
slim@126: ‘mumbo jumbo’ scriptures and theories exist everywhere. you obviously believe in yours as much as I do in mine.
Stranger #129,
“obvously”? So where is this mumbo-jumbo theory I believe in? Gravity, perhaps? The theories I “believe” in are not conditioned on magic. And they are contingent not absolute i.e. they can be proven wrong by evidence. Unfortunately, that means that there is no magic in them.
hmmm@127: But that was your argument @119.
slim@130: ‘magic’ can also mean enchantment. I had meant, you are enchanted by your theories, while I am by mine.
124) patriot on May 21st, 2009 1.21 am
you are promoting a classification of marriage based on historical, etc, etc factors. My point that this is invalid because based on these factors, they also promote polygamy. It’s not just muslims who practice this, though they are the ones who still practice this in some places nowadays.
If you wished to argue for a marriage that is only between different genders, then you should proposed some other reason. For historical/traditional ‘reasons’ comes with a lot of baggage.
@Stranger #132
You have equated homosexuality with pedophilia.
(Conveniently ignoring that the majority of pedophiles are straight.)
I was trying to illustrate to you that this equivalence is false. If homosexuality=pedophilia, then they would have the same legal status.
Questions of whether they are right and wrong is moot. You obviously have your own standards of what is right and wrong, and I have mine. For me what constitutes ‘right’ sexual relations would have to include: legal age, mutual consent, safe sex. For you it might be: anything as long as it involves opposite genders.
The scientific and medical community agree that homosexuality is a sexual variation found in the human race and animal kingdom, whereas pedophilia is a mental disorder. The onus is on you to prove why you think homosexuality and pedophilia are equivalent.
Dear Lobo76:
let me assure You that i do not promote polygamy or any other form or classification. The contents of my comments were based on my personal observations and understandings of marriages as i have seen and read and they are by no means to be taken as authoritative.
Variations with regard to marriages are aplenty, in Kuangxi Shangrila, China, man and woman are allow multiple sexual partners and they are not tied down or legislated by any authority though they have to comply to certain rituals indigenous to the Tribe. For this particular culture, i would say polygamy is allowed openly but i will not use the word ‘promoting’ to describe their tradition nor will i agree that because i used it as an example, i am promoting their culture. As a Singaporean, i conform to the local conditions regarding marriages.
Please excuse me as i will not discuss further the Subject of Polygamy, Monogamy, Bigamy, Digamy, Deuterogamy and polygyny etc. As i said, it is sexuality and sexual activity amongst the same sex that is the thrust of the Discussions.
This is my last comment for this thread.
patriot
If there is going to be a conservative gathering at Hong Lim Park, I will surely come. We need to stand up for what we believe in. I was quite disturbed by the photos from the Pink Dot event. It seemed that the gay agenda is now not just confined to gays. Straight people have now joined them!
This is something that I don’t understand. Why is it that people like Siew Kum Hong, for example, support the gays? He’s a straight man. How can it benefit him to spread the gay agenda on their behalf in Parliament?
And all those straight people at the Pink Dot. Some even carrying their kids. How come they don’t feel disgusted walking around and rubbing shoulders with people whose sexual practices I can’t even mention, let alone imagine. Maybe these straight people took the AWARE CSE when they were still in school, and have been effectively brainwashed by the gay agenda.
I’m sure if straight people turned up, we can greatly outnumber the 1000 who were there at Pink Dot. We are, after all, the majority. We can have ‘Support 377a’ T-shirts. Maybe we can wear dark blue T shirts (the colour of the Police Force) since the law is on our side. I think it’s also important to let the gays know that 377a is our secret weapon. If they push too hard, then we will call on the government to start using the law on them. Because what is the use of a law that is not enforced? As people have pointed out, it makes mockery of the justice system.
I really think that if counselling and psychiatric treatment are unable to make these people straight, then a prison sentence would. After all, many people who have been through the experience of prison think twice before going back to their old ways and bad habits.
hmmm@134: And I was asking you if legislation makes something right or wrong? You still have not answered my question. It a ‘catch 22′ isn’t it?
hmmm@134: Gender Identity Disorder is still classified in DSM IV. Former APA president Paul J. Fink, M.D., who has worked with 40 transsexuals in the process of surgically changing their gender with his extensive experience with these individuals says that transsexualism is, in fact, a valid psychiatric diagnosis.
So based on that, is transexualism right or wrong?
@Stranger #137
I don’t think the issue of whether something is morally right or wrong is the basis of legislation.
What legislation takes into account is whether something is harmful.
Pedophilia definitely causes harm to someone who is not of an age to provide informed consent.
Homosexuality does not cause harm to either people who are themselves homosexuals, nor to those who are not.
If the basis of legislation is morality, then stuff like prostitution, abortion, even divorce, which some people consider immoral, would be outlawed.
It’s not a catch-22 situation.
136) conservativevoice on May 21st, 2009 4.28 pm
“If there is going to be a conservative gathering at Hong Lim Park, I will surely come. We need to …. blah blah blah”
I refer to the above comment made by “conservativevoice”..
I honestly do not know where to begin… After reading what he/ she wrote, I cannot help but laugh ridiculously to myself.
His/ her words are indeed groundless, personal opinions who have no place in this thread of discussion and terribly laughable.
If this was presented to the United Nations, I don’t think our world leaders will know how to react to it, cause its sooo ridiculous.
“Maybe these straight people took the AWARE CSE when they were still in school, and have been effectively brainwashed by the gay agenda.”
(Haha, hello! What kind of ridiculous speculation is this?)
“I think it’s also important to let the gays know that 377a is our secret weapon.”
(Secret Weapon? What weapon are u referring to? Since when is this a war or battle that requires weapons?! Can you please listen to yourself? You’re making a mockery out of a peaceful agenda. Goodness!)
“I really think that if counselling and psychiatric treatment are unable to make these people straight, then a prison sentence would.”
(Prison sentence!? Sigh.)
You are the exact kind of people Hitler would hire on his group of advisors – the type who would totally support the Jewish genocide – the type who would bash Blacks if you’re white (during the 20s) – the type who would stereotype Asians as nerds/ losers if you’re white (during the 80s) and for that I pity you and your narrow mindedness plus your inability to love and have compassion for those different from u.
Please don’t reply to this – if you do not have hard evidence or research to substantiate your next reply.
Tiggs
To conservativevoice @ #137
I totally agree with Tigg’s take on convervativevoice. I would also like to add Terrorist to the list.
Actually, I pity you. I am very sure that you know the only way you can avoid rational and intelligent people laughing at your viewpoints on anything and everything, is to hide behind the cloak of anomynity of cyberspace. Your thought process is so skewed that it’s actually quite scary. Hope you do not, in this lifetime, be in a postion of power. It’s like…stupid scary.
Stranger #132,
Oh I see. I meant “magic” as in “of supernatural character” as in the case of holy scripture etc. In reference to the hastily shifted goal post, I have no problems with being accused of being “enchanted”, or fascinated, or impressed (or be in any such magic-free condition) with science, mathematics, philosophy and many other fields of human inquiry.
On another note, legislation doesn’t “make” anything “good or evil” or even “right or wrong”: Just legal or illegal. (I haven’t followed your “argument” as closely on this so I might be wrong.)
Case in point: The US government enforced slavery laws until 1865 and only officially alter their position with the Civil Liberties Act a hundred years later.
Legislation, on the other hand, can be backwards and wrong, and evil. Supernatural legislation even more so.
You live in a democratic country. In a democracy, it is the voice of the majority that always wins.
All of you gays and gay-agenda pushers (including sadly some straight people who have been brainwashed by sneaky propaganda like the AWARE CSE) should know that you are a tiny minority.
I thank God that they banned those evil Nation parties that used to be held at Sentosa. As Balaji had pointed out, parties like that are responsible for bringing in and spreading AIDS in Singapore.
I thank God that 377A was not repealed. It’s one of the things that will keep gays in their place. Although the government has mentioned that it will not be actively enforced, this does not mean that they will not use it. And the time to use it will be when gays overstep the line.
With 377A, conservatives like me can start to build an argument against the hiring of gays in certain influential positions. It is not correct to have criminals in these posts. Just because they are not convicted does not make them any less criminals.
I thank God that people like Otto Fong, the gay teacher, are no longer teaching and corrupting young minds. The AWARE saga revealed to us parents how important it is to keep the gay agenda out of the classroom. Banning these external agencies is a good first step, and I congratulate the Ministry of Education on such an enlightened move.
We have the Ministry of Health (Balaji), the Ministry of Home Affairs (Wong Kan Seng) and now the Ministry of Education (Ng Eng Hen) now on the conservatives’ side. Even the Ministry of Defence is on our side too.
I would like to suggest two things for us conservatives to further the cause towards insulating our children from the gay agenda.
First is to lobby the Ministry of Defence to make sure that all gays in the army declare themselves as 302, and to send them to some unit where they will not mix around with straight military men. As I understand it, declaring 302 in the army is *optional* for gay people. It should be mandatory. Therefore anyone who mentions to his fellow NSF’s that he is gay, or is under suspicion that he is gay, should be immediately referred to his superiors. He should then be advised to make a declaration, as the army views it as a serious matter that gays should mingle with other straight NSF’s.
And it is a serious matter because of issues like sexual harassment and a sense of insecurity (I don’t want to cup my balls every time I share a shower room with gays), which will in affect our troops’ morale. I hope the Human Resource unit of the SAF will look into this matter. Gay people need to be quarantined, especially in sensitive single-gender environments like the army.
Secondly, is to lobby for the Ministry of Education to remove gay teachers from classrooms, and to shift them to other departments where they can cause the least amount of harm to students. Maybe they can do some admin stuff, as long as it does not involve curriculum planning (which will give them the opportunity to insert the gay agenda into textbooks). If we were scared of the influence that AWARE CSE might have on our kids, imagine the influence a teacher might have, who naturally spends more time with students. As I understand it, sexuality education is incorporated by MOE into the syllabus, and might pop up in classes such as Science or Civics. I urge all parents to tell their children to keep watch over these teachers. They will be our eyes and ears.
I suggest that if the opportunity arises, our children raise the question of homosexuality in the classroom. If the teacher expresses a neutral stance on it, or even a positive one, then the children should go back to us parents and report on what has happened. We should then try to gather as many witnesses as possible from the class to testify against the teacher. And then as parents we can start filing a complaint with the principal and need be MOE, to remove these teachers from the classroom.
I am currently devising some template letters that we can use. One of them is for MINDEF, and will address our discomfort that our son is sharing a bunk/office with a gay(s). Another one will be addressed to schools, on the specific problem of gay teachers. I will set up a blog where concerned parents can download them. We must maintain eternal vigilance against the poisonous and insidious gay agenda.
To ‘Stranger’: I support you! Demolish the arguments by all these foot soldiers of the gay agenda. From your postings, I can see that you have an intelligent and rational mind. Maybe you would like to join me to organise a ‘Blue Dot’ event at Hong Lim Park? Although I fear that if we really come out in full force, Hong Lim Park might not be big enough to contain us!
Together, we can make a difference. It’s time conservatives stood up for what they believe in!
Conservative – Wah! What would you do if your son turns out to be gay?
You thank God – so I presume you’re Christian? Is this kind of violence what Jesus teaches you? Go read the Bible!
I dislike them flaunting themselves in public, but at least I pity them.
Unlike you, I do not think a person can be influenced into becoming gay because I think its genetic. So I don’t feel threatened into making such statements.
To ‘Pessimist’:
I am quite sure that my son will not turn out to be gay.
This is because of the following reasons:
1) He does not come from a single-parent family
2) I take great pains to bond with him. I have always encouraged him since young, to take up sports. He’s a soccer fan, just like me, and is in the school swimming team.
3) I take an active interest in the company that he keeps at school. I try to know who his closest friends are. When they visit my house, I try my best to look for signs of homosexual tendencies. So far, my son has shown remarkable judgement in his choice of friends: sporty, masculine, sociable and well-adjusted teenagers. I am proud of him this way.
4) I discourage him from being involved in certain CCA’s that are breeding ground for gays. My son comes from a boys’ school. I once attended a drama presentation where there was cross dressing on stage. The boy who was in women’s clothes on stage seemed to enjoy the attention. I found this worrying. So, as a responsible conservative, I wrote a letter to the school objecting to this cross-dressing practice in school plays. The school has since stopped it, and last year I am glad to say that I had not observed it on stage. During a parents and teachers meeting in school, I managed, through my son, to get in contact with the parents of the effeminate boy, and I had a talk with them. Apparently they were not aware that their son had been cross-dressing in school. I explained to them that their son was at a crucial stage in his development, and that if remedial steps are not taken, he might become a homosexual. His parents were deeply concerned and thanked me for my feedback.
As you can see, I try do my part in reducing the number of homosexuals in our society. Active intervention is sometimes necessary. So many people here talk about love but they forget that there is something called tough love.
reading through all these comments, i felt my life is not worth it.
i go to school… my friends call me names… all because they say their parents tell them people like me are sick and disgusting…
my close friends start to stay away from me… at the end of sec 2, am trying to get used to eating on my own which is ok. i get to enjoy my book and all that.
its the taunting from my peers thats begiinning to hurt.
i turn to my teacher about the bullying and what do i get?
i’m certain there’s not point turning to my pastor and all that… sermons already indicate how much people like myself are not accepted…
how then can my parents accept? their friends also say the same thing… with all the big hoo haa from the AWARE saga that went on its easy for my parents to listen to how evil and bad all these not straight people are…
their son is evil and bad….
and now you people are saying we are criminals???
i’m a criminal at the age of 15.
i enjoy basketball in sec 1… but nowadays no one at the court jio me to play with them.
i’m not sissy… i just happened to like someone… and i told him… and that’s it…
i’m a criminal.
in a prison with no walls.
in a prison where my days of judgement is every single waking moment. and the ones passing judgements are the very people who are around me.
its a death sentence. one that i have to live through…
so what’s the point?
ur not my brother. ur not my kin. but u made it clear my life is worthless…
Dear Secondary 3,
I hope you will read this.
My heart goes out to you. You are still young, and I am not sure whether what you are experiencing is a passing phase. Regardless of the outcome, don’t worry. You are not a criminal. In the eyes of God (if there is one), you are more worthy than all those who hate you and discriminate against you.
Be at peace with yourself. Study hard, and take good care of yourself. Strive to be happy.
To: conservativevoice,
Stop promoting your religious services here. Else, you will be banned from posting.
Thank you.