I think you got to open your eyes big big – they are just like us – one could just pass you by, be your colleague, relative or a family member…

For someone who’s supposed to spread the love around, you sure seem quick to judge (and condemn)…

if $90000 is nothing in your own words, why not make a financial contribution to Aware? its easy for you to say since the lost is not yours. why did she not disburse that amount then? her puppets raided the kitty.

Dr Thio is not even in Aware’s Exco, what is there to prove? her puppets have already proven thy are not up to the task with no concrete plans after taking over. they just wanted to justify their selfserving ends, they were never interested in advocacy work.

you seem to know Dr Thio rather well, her finances that is. she should have formed her own advocacy group if she had the mettle & financial capabilities. she’s just a paranoid (anti-GLBT) war-monger.

I am a Christian but I denounce entirely your short post and the message you tried to bring across. The following comments must be taken in a Christian context. Those of you who do not know or understand Christianity – this is not for you.

You began your comment well enough by stating something that is very obviously Christian – that life begins at conception. I too believe in this and the sanctity of it, certainly not to tamper with it. By using the word ‘life’ you are in fact refering to the soul of a human being (not the human being) that is precious and must not be tampered with.

Now that we know the diffirence between the soul and the person, and in the Christian context, the soul is above the physical being, and the whole idea of Christianity is to save the soul. For example, Mary Magdelene was a prostitute but that did not change the fact the her soul was what Jesus wanted to save because it is by saving the soul (with love) that she can give up her sinful profession.

Likewise in the case of homosexuals. Do you see their souls or their physical beings, trapped in a situation where people like you are claiming to be sinful? Even if it is sinful, it then becomes your job as a Christian to love them so that by your love, santifying grace may be showered on them, so that they may come to a realisation of the Christian love and perhaps seek to understand it, and subsequently be saved.

So it is very wrong to say that the Kingdom of God has no place for homosexuals. This is very unChristian because heaven is for all because no one knows the degree of mercy, compassion and love of God. This is how a Christian ought to pursue a path of righteousness and by the living of the Christian love, you can then hope to correct the ‘sinful’ ways of the temporal world.

A true Christian will never condemn another human being, because within that human being dwells a soul which is precious to the Maker of life, a homosexual soul is no different to a heterosexual soul – it is the practice of homosexuality that is sinful – a sin much like any sin – because sin is ultimately, separation from God.

However, i believe that everyone has a choice. And for parents, they should be the ones making the choice. For a rape victim who finds herself pregnant with her rapist’s child, to let the child live is a constant reminder of her fear, her helplessness and her hate for the man.
What if the mother takes out her helplessness on the child? Wouldn’t that be worse for the child? A child deserves every bit of love and being born into a life where he/she is hated for smth that was not his/her fault is tantamount to torturing the child no?
Take a girl who gets pregnant before her life begins. teen pregnancies are one of them. How does the mother support her child if she herself cannot support it?

The right to abortion in my opinion, is the lesser evil.
A child deserves all rights to have a fruitful, happy life with a family that can takecare of him/her.
To force a mother to give birth to an unwanted child is really unfair.
btw, being homosexual does not mean that you should be subjected to less rights than a heterosexual.

Discrimination is always still discrimination, no matter what your God says. If God had not meant to let it be, then there wouldn’t be any homosexuals around now would there?
Also, i would think that your God is someone who forgives and forgets. So your argument that homosexuals are not allowed in His Kingdom means you yourself decide to play God?

Big mistake, otherwise would have gain more credibility as alternative voice, now many people are suspcious and wary. People are not stupid and blind and not aware what is going on in TOC, obvious biasness and one sided reporting blah blah blah …. please lah, wake up lah.

Already many people are silently boycotting Straits Times, i think they should also be silent boycotting TOC too.

1 wrong move and everything goes down under, too bad, better luck next time, happy slow rebuilding, not sure when TOC regains lost ground, good luck any way, next time, use your brain and not use emotions, friendly good advice, hope you get it, cheers baby :),

er, I don’t care if you don’t bother printing this cos I am silently boycotting TOC as well as Straits Times.

Your very interesting post raises several points.

Firstly, aren’t homosexuals and pro-choice people Singaporeans too (at least those who are citizens)? If so, why can’t they be tolerated? So what do we do – round them up and banish them all to Sentosa or what the heck, just put them in the gas chambers.

Secondly, moral issues – whose morals? Yours or mine? Are you shoving your morals in my face? Please bear in mind that what may be moral issues to you may not be to me and what I deem as immoral (such as belief without reason) may be perfectly moral to you.

Thirdly – you said she wasn’t able to speak at the EGM but you know that it was an inspiring speech? I am confused. How can a speech that was not even spoken be inspiring? That’s really zen. Or is zen bad for morals too?

Fourthy – the amount of $90,000 was given by Maureen not by the so-called old guard. So its not the old guard inflating the figure. Remember what some holy guy said a few thousand years ago? Something like thou shalt not lie. That a moral too, isn’t it? And if it is nothing to Mdm Thio, sure, she can refund the money to Aware can’t she?

I don’t pretend to know the motivations of the FM and I don’t want to get into a slanging match about her. Suffice it to say that I certainly don’t agree with you.

If you see a con man cheating a housewife, will you not warn the housewife and put up posters that the con man is dangerous?

Can you justify why issues such as homosexuality and abortion should be moralised? Is it because the Bible says so?

Unfortunately, Dr Thio was not given a chance to prove herself in the new AWARE. The crowd at the OGM booed and deprived her of the chance to complete her inspiriing speech. Certainly $90,000 spent had been inflated by the old guard eager to seize back their organization. $90,000 is nothing compared to the magnitude of love and compassion she showed to the people. She can easily disburse out this amount and does not need to hanker after such a tiny sum. Dr Thio was never a person of greed and avarice as MSM made her out to be.

Dr Thio has healed the hearts and minds of many – she is a beacon of hope in the midst of despair and mindless capitalism. She deserves better from singaporeans and from TOC. She is misunderstood and please respect her as someone who is merely doing her bit for singapore.

Wow, Jonny, that is so impressive – imagine, she could actually move Sumatra up to block the tsunami – plse ask her to pray for the SIngapore football team to make it to the next football World Cup finals as well. Believe me, Singaporeans will be grateful except gays who don’t care about football and Lee Bee Wah who will be jealous.

she has done a lot for singapore but singaporeans are a bunch of ingrates.

No point lah, you forgot their spiritual powers – they would probably levitate out of there faster than MSK could climb through the toilet window and then fly across the Straits.

i also wonder why TSM & Co are in in ISD cells, with their intellectual powers combined, they are more dangerous than a limping MSK!!

want to hijack? but cannot tahan the backlash. sore losers. all around us we see atheists, other religions and other races, even the NCCS head and fellow xtians with nothing but strong criticism for the aware takeover. what does this show? we do not tolerate religious extremists. it’s surprising with thio su mien is not sitting in whitney detention center togehter with that mas selamat.

Very strong words, Mr Song. Why not take another step by stating which grassroots organization you affiliated with?

Honestly, I don’t care whether you are a Christian, a father, a straight guy or a PAP grassroots member? please don’t drag others like myself (majority of Singaporeans) into your argument with TOC stance on this AWARE saga.

The fact that you used the gays and lesbians labelling on people shown up a defective bias personality character in yourself, let alone giving yourself the moral rights to criticize others. All I seen them as one of us, a fellow human being, who deserve to be respected as a human person first before personality or sexuality indifference.

My point is speak for yourself, used I or me, don’t used the words “majority of Singaporeans” as your backing. For sure, I’m one of the majority of Singaporeans who subscribed and treasured true “family values”, who will definitely reject anyone who wanted to lead astray of my children in their sexuality awareness. I don’t agreed with your words or actions in this matter, not unless you want to label me now as a minority since I opposed your views.

For your information, I did once bashed up an “ah qua” who was too touchy with me. Trust me, if another “ah qua” try to do the same on me today, I will bash him up too without hesitation. If and when, whoever try to lead astray my kids, I will advise them (GLBT) to be careful, lest I bash them up. In the meantime, I will take the same opportunity to educate my kids as well, talking to them of the do’s and don’t's. That, I believe will be more productive in saving our own kids than you Mr Song going around labelling people and accusing others of being pro-GLBT.

BTW, why I asked which grassroots organization you came from, was just a friendly understanding for those who are truly gays and lesbians, to know which organization that they mustn’t visit or seek help from, since you most likely to reject them for you have your tinted glasses on, while working as a altruistic(?) social worker or volunteer(?) in your organization.

In short, speak for yourself, Mr Song!

Oh really?
http://theonlinecitizen.com/2009/05/aware-saga-calm-down-and-move-on-says-dpm-wong-kan-seng/

“full-fledged GLBTs’ site. ”
Articles about retiring folks, HDB, Mas Selemat, NTU suicide, Economic opinions
These do not fit to GLBT criteria, I hope you’re objective enough to recognise this

“devious GLBTs’ movements in Singapore”
I have no religion, but i do respect the boundaries of each
nor will i condemn another as DEVIOUS.
I wonder if you’re cracking the 3 stress lines,”scheming and cooking up to divide Singapore’s society! ”

Read about hitler and his concentration camps, where humanity failed and pain was suffered.He marginalized polish, gays, russians,austrians and all others. There were many innocent sufferers just because they were marginalized for who they are. I doubt any secular society or religious leader, should encourage or want this to occur again

Live and let live, be responsible for all our comments, TOC will be a fine place.

Editors, i do miss Mr. Leong Sze Hian’s numberical logic and articles.

Looking at Buay Song’s rants I only hope that the contents do not represent mainstream Singapore in terms of logic and reason (or lack thereof) not to mention grammar and syntax.

Ah Song also forgot to mention that another positive thing that came out was the enrichment of our collective vocabulary – words like “steeplejacking” and one that particularly comes to mind, when we see all these rants coming from people called “angry parents” “concerned parents” (*snicker*), “astroturfing”.

In fact I think TOC is bending over backwards in giving these nutcases so much space to claim that they represent the “mainstream public” and to give illogical arguments and rants. Funny isn’t it – how they claim they hate TOC and the bias, but them come and read and post so much. Then again, logic is never the strong point of the bigoted and the astroturfers.