http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xIsgB_tqx_Q

i’m back from my sick leave to fulfil my promise. apologies for the outburst.

1) anal sex and HIV/AIDS

no one will argue with you on this one. it is true anal sex is related to higher incidence of HIV transmission due to the microscopic damage on the lining of the colon.

2) homosexuals and hepatitis A

very limited study cited by Dr FJ. it’s very easy to find other studies which say there is no difference between homo-/heterosexual populations

Ross, J D C, Ghanem, M, Tariq, A, Gilleran, G, Winter, A J (2002). Seroprevalence of hepatitis A immunity in male genitourinary medicine clinic attenders: a case control study of heterosexual and homosexual men. Sex. Transm. Infect. 78: 174-179

http://sg.news.yahoo.com/cna/20090507/tap-350-moe-suspends-sexuality-education-231650b.html

As mentioned before, the AWARE saga had generated much attention in the public, that those with neutral views, even the “bo-pian” ones were pulled into understanding the “cause of the takeover and the issues surrounding its CES workshops. It’s had already been a talking point to million and became “coffeeshop/ market topic” to ah pek, aunties, students, NSmen. AWARE will not only known as controversial women group, but will also be synonyms homosexuality and its cause for promoting it.

For the benefit of those here, allow me to clarify my stances.. I’m not against homosexuality, nor am i against Christianity. Being a Singaporean all my life, I was brought up in believing in RESPECTING OTHERS, and but forcibly instilling “liberal education” to (my) children, without the parent’s knowledge is disrespectful indeed.

Also i wish to re-iterate, that I am not against AWARE for its association to homosexual groups, however, to its stance in promoting homosexuality and “mis-educating” students on illegal acts in Singapore. A lot of damages need to be look into by the New EXCO, in order to gain public trust or negative opinions towards the organization.

I’m sincerely wishing them the best on the road to recovery! Gambatte Kudasai!

1″And again, your meeting points are incorrect – ”

And you have a monopoly of knowledge? That’s a laugh.

2″well, even if you had been the chairman of the meeting (really wished it was you) – the Bastille would still have been stormed and the guillotine used liberally, as it was.”

And that to you, no doubt, is a civilized behavior?

3″That’s where you are again incorrect (regular habit of yours I must say). Once the chair abandons the meeting, the other side grabs the chair and the meeting continues. That’s real life, not some delusional theory.”

Oh, What happened to the Registrar of Society’s rule that societies must conduct its affairs in accordance with its constitution? Maybe you don’t give two hoots about its constitution? Do you know what is a constitution to start with?

4″Actually notice was given if you care to look at the fine print. Sigh. ”

Can you post a copy of the Agenda for the EOGM or item 3 and lets see the fine prints.

5″As for the death threat, agree with you – hilarious wasn’t it? Don’t know how Josie (and all the reporters there) at the press conference managed to keep a straight face.”

That’s because she is not afraid of death threats. She has intestinal fortitude (read guts) which is more than I can say for many people in this forum.

6“The war has not even started” – wow, scary spice. Only thing missing is the background theme music.”

You better believe it because the mainstream values will NEVER allow the lunatic fringe to hijack Singapore society for their nefarious activities.

7″but next time, please be more prepared ok? Then it will be less one-sided and more entertaining.”

Next time the grass will be trampled by an elephant stampede !

I think Claire Nazar had bit off more than she can chew when she first nominated Josie and Gang. She most probably didn’t knew them as well as she thought she had. I think when she realised that COOS is involved and she has been sidelined at every ExCo meeting, there is not much she can do other than quitting her role of President. The only other alternative was to rise to challenge and that risk escalation of conflict with the Christian Community. The safest route is thus to quit and maintained a low profile through out the Saga. If the Old Guards had lost the EOGM, they will now probably be lynched for disrupting religious harmony.

For people who wants to find out more about the latest development within the Christian Right circles, please visit http://www.religiousrightwatch.com

Big Hat, No Cattle.

i believe so too. a more robust attack will need a more robust defence. this time got Feminist Mentor, i can’t wait to see who the next big thing is!!

^.^

Zefly (aka Joshua Chiang) #303, Great Posts – everyone should read these articles to understand truly what we have just faced down.

This is why we need to consider this very carefully – consider the orchestrated approach, the internet disinformation, the carefully manufactured lies that have been spun and are continued to be spun by certain posters, especially regarding the CSE. Is this truly some silly ladies led by a even sillier FM or is there something deeper?

From the beginning of this saga, I had railed against the steeplejacking of AWARE as something far more sinister than simply taking over of AWARE itself which is a modest organisation at best. The gay/antigay argument including whatever crap about 377A was just a side issue. The main issue was the thirst for power by fanatics and AWARE was just a testing ground. Fortunately Singaporeans have taken it into their hands and have bitchslapped the fanatics down.

But as so ominously voiced by Curious (then again, Curious is such a funny chappie that you just have to laugh and not take him too seriously – anyway, he takes himself far too seriously as it is), these cockroaches won’t go away. Seizing upon controversial issues which society needs to consider objectively and injecting hatred and lies into them – polarizing society (eg Christians vs others), that’s their methodology.

We were lucky this time. They were so inept that it was beyond belief. They forgot to plan beyond the first step. They did not forsee the public reaction. In fact, it even became funny when we watched them being spitroasted in public. But they will be back. We have to be watchful.

Great read. Thanks!

I am following up and borrowing the mentioned “The Great Derangement” by Matt Taibbi from NLB.

You (or Curious) might be interested in an excerpt published in The Rolling Stone:

http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/story/20278737/jesus_made_me_puke

And again, your meeting points are incorrect – well, even if you had been the chairman of the meeting (really wished it was you) – the Bastille would still have been stormed and the guillotine used liberally, as it was.

“For your info if the meeting had been cancelled the mob or the great unwashed had no right to hold a meeting at all. The best is for the exco to resign later and then call an election.”

That’s where you are again incorrect (regular habit of yours I must say). Its obvious you have had no experience of storming Bastilles, sitting on that couch of yours sulking all day long. Once the chair abandons the meeting, the other side grabs the chair and the meeting continues. That’s real life, not some delusional theory.

“But the election of officers of the “latest” exco was done BEFORE Josie’s exco resigned. So was the election legal? Was it in the Agenda? Was notice given to other members who did not attend the EOGM?
The fact they resigned is correct. The question is whether the election was properly held before they resigned.”

Actually notice was given if you care to look at the fine print. Sigh. You do need to read more carefully. Let me give you a gentle hint so you can tell your FM not to waste more money on lawyers – go read the requisition for an EGM carefully especially item 3. As for the death threat, agree with you – hilarious wasn’t it? Don’t know how Josie (and all the reporters there) at the press conference managed to keep a straight face.

“The war has not even started” – wow, scary spice. Only thing missing is the background theme music. Yawn. Ok, whatever… but next time, please be more prepared ok? Then it will be less one-sided and more entertaining.

Something I picked up from another post. Pretty intense stuff, although they may not be entirely verifiable.

As previously mentioned in another article’s comments section, please refrain from using swear words or vulgarities – even if they’re in asterisks. They will no longer be allowed.

And no more personal attacks. Else, such commenters will be barred from further commenting.

Also, please do not become lewd with references to certain body parts or sexual act. These too will not be allowed.

Lastly, pls keep your comments to within 500 words.

Thanks.

So where are these contradictions of mine? I presume you are unable to read minds, so you must have read something to suggest that.

Anyways, have you checked with anyone (Christian or otherwise) who works with statistics to find out if there is a distinction between correlation and causal relationship? Do you intend to? Eventually? Or might the answer be too corrosive to your belief system?

Here’s a study that shows there is a correlation between unusual first names and crime example to elucidate my point:

http://www3.interscience.wiley.com/cgi-bin/fulltext/121639144/PDFSTART?CRETRY=1&SRETRY=0

It has nothing to do with religion or sexuality, so you might be able to see straight :) unlike Frank on what should or shouldn’t be inferred from statistics like Frank’s.

“Curious #286, “… we respect the GLBTs by not despising them.” The quality of your character really shines through wtih this one.”

The quality of mercy is not dead, unlike what you think. How can the mainstream folks respect the GLBTs if they despise them is a paradox wrapped round a riddle in a maze of contradictions and conundrums in your mind.?

1″That would have been a fatal error. If you had done that, the unruly mob would immediately construe it to mean that you had abandoned the meeting and that gives the floor the right to appoint a new chairman to chair the meeting and conduct it.”

I see again you did not bring some sour grapes to the table. How’s the memory today? Please don’t blame Peace again for my congenial post.

For your info if the meeting had been cancelled the mob or the great unwashed had no right to hold a meeting at all. The best is for the exco to resign later and then call an election. This would cost another $20,000 but its the fault of the unruly mob, the great unwashed and the lunatic fringe.

2″Yes, if Josie had called off the meeting (but see discussion above), she might have been able to to get another patsy to file an application to call the meeting unconstitutional. But she didn’t. They resigned. So whether or not the meeting was constitutional has become a moot point as Josie et al have resigned.”

But the election of officers of the “latest” exco was done BEFORE Josie’s exco resigned. So was the election legal? Was it in the Agenda? Was notice given to other members who did not attend the EOGM?

3″But Josie et al didn’t do any of this. They resigned and annouced this to the rest of Singapore. They can’t turn around now and retract that (and I don’t think they want to anyway). And the rest is moot.”

The fact they resigned is correct. The question is whether the election was properly held before they resigned.

4″I can assure you that compared to some other types of society meetings elsewhere ( eg a dockyard workers’ union meeting) it was very civilised.”

This must the understatement of the week. Were there dead threats in a dockyard workers’ union meeting?

5″So Curious (urrgghh, I managed to spit out the right name this time”

Yay! Your memory is coming back. Must the Resveratrol in the grapes.

6′But I am sure the war is not over…hasta la vista baby NOT.”

Lets not put the horse before the cart. May 2nd was only a small battle.

The war has not even started and it will when you and your ilks apply for Penal Code 377A to be repealed and for same sex marriages to be made legal in Singapore. That’s when the grass will be trampled by an elephant stampede!