Comments on: Singapore rolling out red carpet for barbarians and murderers http://theonlinecitizen.com/2009/05/singapore-rolling-out-red-carpet-for-barbarians-and-murderers/ a community of Singaporeans Fri, 10 Feb 2012 10:45:20 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: PG http://theonlinecitizen.com/2009/05/singapore-rolling-out-red-carpet-for-barbarians-and-murderers/comment-page-2/#comment-122721 PG Wed, 23 Dec 2009 09:41:17 +0000 http://theonlinecitizen.com/?p=9291#comment-122721 I think times are changing , not only for governments , but also for political thugs and dictators , they will find it harder to have a safe haven for their money in the future . Before it was places like Switzerland and Singapore , now that the pressure is on to find out who has accounts where , and Swiss banks have bowed down to pressure , Singapore will follow , and there will be a lot of questions asked in the future . The Singapore system is opaque , with overpaid government officials , after all its only a very small city , most people in the world don't even know where or what it is . And when the constitution of a country is not being respected , then questions can be asked about the governments legitimacy , this is the case of Singapore concerning human rights etc etc . When you hear a minister say he is not worried about re-election , only GDP , it speaks for itself . The only reason the government is being talked to on a world level is because it has money to bail out America . Singapore is a sad place to live ,rampant consumption and waistage , usage of low paid workers , which means Singapore products should be taxed as its unfair competition . As far as corruption goes , it takes many forms , and Singapore is not immune . Very interresting to note the population figures for Singapore , the real SIngaporeans , PRs , temporary workers , maybe soon Singaporeans will be a minority , seeing the birthrates and the unoffical ( and hidden) immigration of Singaporeans From a career point of view , who would really come to Singapore to work , no future , too small , out of the mainstream , with little or no real research only attracts the one man and his dog setups in reality . Singapore never has been and never will be an example to follow . And its ideas cannot be extrapolated to use in real big countries . I think times are changing , not only for governments , but also for political thugs and dictators , they will find it harder to have a safe haven for their money in the future . Before it was places like Switzerland and Singapore , now that the pressure is on to find out who has accounts where , and Swiss banks have bowed down to pressure , Singapore will follow , and there will be a lot of questions asked in the future .
The Singapore system is opaque , with overpaid government officials , after all its only a very small city , most people in the world don’t even know where or what it is . And when the constitution of a country is not being respected , then questions can be asked about the governments legitimacy , this is the case of Singapore concerning human rights etc etc . When you hear a minister say he is not worried about re-election , only GDP , it speaks for itself . The only reason the government is being talked to on a world level is because it has money to bail out America .
Singapore is a sad place to live ,rampant consumption and waistage , usage of low paid workers , which means Singapore products should be taxed as its unfair competition .
As far as corruption goes , it takes many forms , and Singapore is not immune .
Very interresting to note the population figures for Singapore , the real SIngaporeans , PRs , temporary workers , maybe soon Singaporeans will be a minority , seeing the birthrates and the unoffical ( and hidden) immigration of Singaporeans
From a career point of view , who would really come to Singapore to work , no future , too small , out of the mainstream , with little or no real research only attracts the one man and his dog setups in reality .
Singapore never has been and never will be an example to follow . And its ideas cannot be extrapolated to use in real big countries .

]]> By: mice is nice http://theonlinecitizen.com/2009/05/singapore-rolling-out-red-carpet-for-barbarians-and-murderers/comment-page-2/#comment-73270 mice is nice Wed, 13 May 2009 09:05:31 +0000 http://theonlinecitizen.com/?p=9291#comment-73270 i wonder what could S'pore be selling to them? Newater? lol... i wonder what could S’pore be selling to them? Newater? lol…

]]> By: May http://theonlinecitizen.com/2009/05/singapore-rolling-out-red-carpet-for-barbarians-and-murderers/comment-page-2/#comment-72329 May Sat, 09 May 2009 11:14:37 +0000 http://theonlinecitizen.com/?p=9291#comment-72329 After so many years with this top money for talents to govern the country, cracks are beginning to show proving that it does not work. One simple reason being Ministers know they are indispensable. There is no such a thing as hire & fire like the corporate world. What have the talents done for SG? Can anyone name one ingenious policy for the betterment of the people? They don't have to, do they? Another reason for its failure is because it is taking away the precious few talents who can contribute so much to the industry in their relevant expertise, expanding the GDP in real terms. To me, this 'top talent' thing is more for the advancement of the ruling party than for Spore. It seems they very much fear to loose the talents to opposition camps. How can keeping them in the ruling party with top money help any Sporean? I say keeping them because they are attracted there for the money as clearly spelt out by the Govt. After so many years with this top money for talents to govern the country, cracks are beginning to show proving that it does not work.

One simple reason being Ministers know they are indispensable. There is no such a thing as hire & fire like the corporate world. What have the talents done for SG? Can anyone name one ingenious policy for the betterment of the people? They don’t have to, do they?

Another reason for its failure is because it is taking away the precious few talents who can contribute so much to the industry in their relevant expertise, expanding the GDP in real terms.

To me, this ‘top talent’ thing is more for the advancement of the ruling party than for Spore. It seems they very much fear to loose the talents to opposition camps. How can keeping them in the ruling party with top money help any Sporean? I say keeping them because they are attracted there for the money as clearly spelt out by the Govt.

]]> By: I Can Honestly Say . . . http://theonlinecitizen.com/2009/05/singapore-rolling-out-red-carpet-for-barbarians-and-murderers/comment-page-2/#comment-72172 I Can Honestly Say . . . Sat, 09 May 2009 01:17:25 +0000 http://theonlinecitizen.com/?p=9291#comment-72172 To Modernist, Do you think that the citizens should be held ransom to the astronomical ministerial pay? Who is to stop them to pay themselves in the tens of millions in the future? When is enough ever enough since we are the taxpayers that fund their salaries. How many of us have had the opportunity to vote in the last 20 years with all this gerrymandering going on each election? Like you say, when we go to the ballot box, we can exercise that vote; if we ever get there in the first place. To Modernist,

Do you think that the citizens should be held ransom to the astronomical ministerial pay? Who is to stop them to pay themselves in the tens of millions in the future? When is enough ever enough since we are the taxpayers that fund their salaries.

How many of us have had the opportunity to vote in the last 20 years with all this gerrymandering going on each election? Like you say, when we go to the ballot box, we can exercise that vote; if we ever get there in the first place.

]]> By: TrueBlood Singaporean http://theonlinecitizen.com/2009/05/singapore-rolling-out-red-carpet-for-barbarians-and-murderers/comment-page-2/#comment-72170 TrueBlood Singaporean Sat, 09 May 2009 01:15:19 +0000 http://theonlinecitizen.com/?p=9291#comment-72170 Dear All, Why PAP ministers salary are so high is because there are no competition with them while ordinary Singaporean workers are constantly compete with FT for jobs according to the pay level set by MOM. We are not anti-foreginers but the policies has create a depressing salary for most singaporean. Tell me can any Singapore survived with $500 - Work Permit $1800 -S pass who are associate degree or degree of don't know what Uni. Can with sub-con our Gov out and I think we can! Anyone from Obama team can do better jobs than our high pay ministers. Dear All,

Why PAP ministers salary are so high is because there are no competition with them while ordinary Singaporean workers are constantly compete with FT for jobs according to the pay level set by MOM.

We are not anti-foreginers but the policies has create a depressing salary for most singaporean.
Tell me can any Singapore survived with $500 – Work Permit
$1800 -S pass who are associate degree or degree of don’t know what Uni.

Can with sub-con our Gov out and I think we can! Anyone from Obama team can do better jobs than our high pay ministers.

]]> By: Daniel http://theonlinecitizen.com/2009/05/singapore-rolling-out-red-carpet-for-barbarians-and-murderers/comment-page-2/#comment-72104 Daniel Fri, 08 May 2009 16:36:07 +0000 http://theonlinecitizen.com/?p=9291#comment-72104 Modernizer, let's me ask you a question. Does highlighting other bad examples of leaders from other countries make our Leeders any more accountable and responsible, and also make your argument more constructive ? If not, why you so "constructive" to use bad eggs as a example. You mean the whole world there really one bad egg to benchmark against our leeders ? So does it imply that just because one thief is less worse than another thief doesn't make the former anymore a thief ? Please if you want to be more constructive, use a more positive and constructive one yourself. The reasons why we land in this dire straits is because our leeders become so constructive that it become lame excuses to get away and become complacent, or am I alone to conclude such observation ? Of course, you don't know how to answer when the rest do understand my question but then what's new for those who work for PAP ? Modernizer,
let’s me ask you a question.
Does highlighting other bad examples of leaders from other countries make our Leeders any more accountable and responsible, and also make your argument more constructive ? If not, why you so “constructive” to use bad eggs as a example. You mean the whole world there really one bad egg to benchmark against our leeders ? So does it imply that just because one thief is less worse than another thief doesn’t make the former anymore a thief ?

Please if you want to be more constructive, use a more positive and constructive one yourself. The reasons why we land in this dire straits is because our leeders become so constructive that it become lame excuses to get away and become complacent, or am I alone to conclude such observation ?

Of course, you don’t know how to answer when the rest do understand my question but then what’s new for those who work for PAP ?

]]> By: kingrant http://theonlinecitizen.com/2009/05/singapore-rolling-out-red-carpet-for-barbarians-and-murderers/comment-page-2/#comment-72074 kingrant Fri, 08 May 2009 15:44:44 +0000 http://theonlinecitizen.com/?p=9291#comment-72074 This PAP govt has already lost its moral compass a long time ago. Here are the examples: 1. Overpaying themselves and underperforming 2. Dishonesty in winning elections 3. Cruelly incarcerating people all their lives and separating them from their families 4. Hosting and wheeling & dealing with corrupt dictators, despots and crooks and before Obama, the Bush admin 5. Not supporting genuine human rights causes: Palestinian issue, Au yang Shu Chi, etc 6. Adopting cowardly foreign policies ( see also #4) by keeping silent on North Korea 7. Oppressing the citizens with unjust laws e.g. POA etc under the guise of Internal Security 8. Suing people who dared to challenge the boundaries This PAP govt has already lost its moral compass a long time ago. Here are the examples:

1. Overpaying themselves and underperforming
2. Dishonesty in winning elections
3. Cruelly incarcerating people all their lives and separating them from their families
4. Hosting and wheeling & dealing with corrupt dictators, despots and crooks and before Obama, the Bush admin
5. Not supporting genuine human rights causes: Palestinian issue, Au yang Shu Chi, etc
6. Adopting cowardly foreign policies ( see also #4) by keeping silent on North Korea
7. Oppressing the citizens with unjust laws e.g. POA etc under the guise of Internal Security
8. Suing people who dared to challenge the boundaries

]]> By: Roy http://theonlinecitizen.com/2009/05/singapore-rolling-out-red-carpet-for-barbarians-and-murderers/comment-page-2/#comment-72035 Roy Fri, 08 May 2009 14:54:10 +0000 http://theonlinecitizen.com/?p=9291#comment-72035 To modernist The way I see it. You seem unable to provide solid counterpoints to enable people to see what you are trying to bring across clearly. The tend to resort to theatrics that suggest people misconstrue you despite your points... But what are these? You claim that corruption WILL happen without high pay, and thus I asked if you are suggesting MM Lee was corrupt? If you cannot explain yourself, I guess your points are flawed. Try to stick to a point, follow through so people take you seriously. You float from 1 point to another when people cast doubts on one.. you resort to theatrics. Not very good for a meaningful discussion if u want other to see your points; unless of course you are here just to throw stones. "I would really like to see in an alternative universe if people like Shanmugam would foresake a multimillion dollar career (in annual take home pay) in place of I dont know what kind of pay you say a SIngapore minister deserves - all for the love of servitude. We are not in 1965 freshly orphaned by Malaysia. Circumstances, social and political, are so vastly different." FYI, the alternate universe is here. Tim Geithner forsake a lucrative career for a position to save the american economy. Closer to home, the late Ong Teng Chong forsake a lucrative career as an architect, Kennth Jeyarathenam forsake a lucrative career for politics without fear that he will lose out on $, and the young Lee Kuan Yew could have earned a lot being a lawyer. Finallt, Chee Soon Chuan put his 5 digits a month on the line for what he believes in. Nobody is asking the Shanmugams to starve... just peg their pay to the highest politicians and that will be the end of storey. Does the politician in Japan, US and UK starve despite their higher cost of living? Yes? If you ask me.. if Shanmugam will quit if we peg his pay to Obama, I'll be glad to wave goodbye to him and let someone else with a heart like Kenneth Jeyarathnam to serve as Finance Minister. To modernist

The way I see it. You seem unable to provide solid counterpoints to enable people to see what you are trying to bring across clearly. The tend to resort to theatrics that suggest people misconstrue you despite your points… But what are these?

You claim that corruption WILL happen without high pay, and thus I asked if you are suggesting MM Lee was corrupt? If you cannot explain yourself, I guess your points are flawed. Try to stick to a point, follow through so people take you seriously. You float from 1 point to another when people cast doubts on one.. you resort to theatrics. Not very good for a meaningful discussion if u want other to see your points; unless of course you are here just to throw stones.

“I would really like to see in an alternative universe if people like Shanmugam would foresake a multimillion dollar career (in annual take home pay) in place of I dont know what kind of pay you say a SIngapore minister deserves – all for the love of servitude. We are not in 1965 freshly orphaned by Malaysia. Circumstances, social and political, are so vastly different.”

FYI, the alternate universe is here. Tim Geithner forsake a lucrative career for a position to save the american economy. Closer to home, the late Ong Teng Chong forsake a lucrative career as an architect, Kennth Jeyarathenam forsake a lucrative career for politics without fear that he will lose out on $, and the young Lee Kuan Yew could have earned a lot being a lawyer. Finallt, Chee Soon Chuan put his 5 digits a month on the line for what he believes in.

Nobody is asking the Shanmugams to starve… just peg their pay to the highest politicians and that will be the end of storey. Does the politician in Japan, US and UK starve despite their higher cost of living? Yes?

If you ask me.. if Shanmugam will quit if we peg his pay to Obama, I’ll be glad to wave goodbye to him and let someone else with a heart like Kenneth Jeyarathnam to serve as Finance Minister.

]]> By: Stuck in time http://theonlinecitizen.com/2009/05/singapore-rolling-out-red-carpet-for-barbarians-and-murderers/comment-page-2/#comment-72020 Stuck in time Fri, 08 May 2009 14:13:30 +0000 http://theonlinecitizen.com/?p=9291#comment-72020 50) corporation/non-corporation which is why in my comment to modernizer, i said that provided it is run as a learning organization..., which in SGP Inc case, it isn't Modernizer, what you say is entirely theoretical "through yr MP, papers or internet, over here" firstly, does the MP really listen to the people who needs help? i doubt many of them does....i have repeated this example so many times....look at Dr Lily Neo who tries to help the needy people in her ward, and what was the reply to her, or should i say retort? is that the response you will expect from someone who is willing to listen and help? and Modernizer, regarding "accountability and responsibility" have you forgotten the TC, GIC and TH investment fiasco that result in huge loses ranging for TC's millions to GIC and TH billions, that was kept quiet for a long time. In TC case, when call for "accountability and responsibility" was issued, interested parties were referred to respective TC which play a game of tai-ji and the answer was murky, if even obtained at all...do you consider that "accountable and responsible"? and to add on, the mayor who didn't even know about the extraordinary bonuses that some staff receive, is that been "accountable and responsible"? I have no wish to flame you Modernizer, but just my perception which is totally different from yours. and Daniel, chill! 50) corporation/non-corporation

which is why in my comment to modernizer, i said that provided it is run as a learning organization…, which in SGP Inc case, it isn’t

Modernizer,

what you say is entirely theoretical “through yr MP, papers or internet, over here” firstly, does the MP really listen to the people who needs help? i doubt many of them does….i have repeated this example so many times….look at Dr Lily Neo who tries to help the needy people in her ward, and what was the reply to her, or should i say retort? is that the response you will expect from someone who is willing to listen and help?

and Modernizer, regarding “accountability and responsibility” have you forgotten the TC, GIC and TH investment fiasco that result in huge loses ranging for TC’s millions to GIC and TH billions, that was kept quiet for a long time. In TC case, when call for “accountability and responsibility” was issued, interested parties were referred to respective TC which play a game of tai-ji and the answer was murky, if even obtained at all…do you consider that “accountable and responsible”? and to add on, the mayor who didn’t even know about the extraordinary bonuses that some staff receive, is that been “accountable and responsible”?

I have no wish to flame you Modernizer, but just my perception which is totally different from yours. and Daniel, chill!

]]> By: aiyoyo http://theonlinecitizen.com/2009/05/singapore-rolling-out-red-carpet-for-barbarians-and-murderers/comment-page-2/#comment-72016 aiyoyo Fri, 08 May 2009 14:10:17 +0000 http://theonlinecitizen.com/?p=9291#comment-72016 aiyoyo well only folks that went thru life talks/writes reality... scholars/elites write/talk well, but can they really work well; doubt it aiyoyo aiyoyo

well only folks that went thru life talks/writes reality…

scholars/elites write/talk well, but can they really work well; doubt it

aiyoyo

]]> By: Daniel http://theonlinecitizen.com/2009/05/singapore-rolling-out-red-carpet-for-barbarians-and-murderers/comment-page-2/#comment-71975 Daniel Fri, 08 May 2009 12:53:56 +0000 http://theonlinecitizen.com/?p=9291#comment-71975 "Take Najib Tun Razak. Minister of Defence of Malaysia then. Buy helicopter and submarine." Why do we care about what other country leader does badly ? Why not care about your own country where the leader isn't any better and can only use mainstream media and laws to hide their immortality and to create make-believe world. Law to prevent private investigators for investigating gahmen, and law against whistleblower ? Kidding me, boy... Just because they make the law to fit their agenda doesn;t make them any less kangaroo. How about law to commensurate themselves with pay better than corruption ? How about oil price not directly linked to the transport hike ? Any bullshit from them where it matter to citizens ? “Take Najib Tun Razak. Minister of Defence of Malaysia then. Buy helicopter and submarine.”

Why do we care about what other country leader does badly ? Why not care about your own country where the leader isn’t any better and can only use mainstream media and laws to hide their immortality and to create make-believe world. Law to prevent private investigators for investigating gahmen, and law against whistleblower ? Kidding me, boy… Just because they make the law to fit their agenda doesn;t make them any less kangaroo. How about law to commensurate themselves with pay better than corruption ? How about oil price not directly linked to the transport hike ? Any bullshit from them where it matter to citizens ?

]]> By: corporation/non-corporation http://theonlinecitizen.com/2009/05/singapore-rolling-out-red-carpet-for-barbarians-and-murderers/comment-page-1/#comment-71965 corporation/non-corporation Fri, 08 May 2009 12:44:16 +0000 http://theonlinecitizen.com/?p=9291#comment-71965 On the issue of singapore being run as a corporation has benefits for the country. Since when has singapore been truly run as a corporation ? Is that any aspects in the governance of the country that bears resemblance to how a corporation is run ? And when we talk about corporation , what sort of corporation are we talking about ? A modern, open, engaging, understanding, willingness to listen, adaptive, multi-dimensional corporation or simply a corporation that just don't use the brain and just go through the motion ? This "SINGAPORE INC" corporation is just a useless piece of rotten log that looks more like some tribal group when homo sapiens first emerge on this planet. On the issue of singapore being run as a corporation has benefits for the country. Since when has singapore been truly run as a corporation ? Is that any aspects in the governance of the country that bears resemblance to how a corporation is run ? And when we talk about corporation , what sort of corporation are we talking about ? A modern, open, engaging, understanding, willingness to listen, adaptive, multi-dimensional corporation or simply a corporation that just don’t use the brain and just go through the motion ? This “SINGAPORE INC” corporation is just a useless piece of rotten log that looks more like some tribal group when homo sapiens first emerge on this planet.

]]> By: REMF http://theonlinecitizen.com/2009/05/singapore-rolling-out-red-carpet-for-barbarians-and-murderers/comment-page-1/#comment-71964 REMF Fri, 08 May 2009 12:44:04 +0000 http://theonlinecitizen.com/?p=9291#comment-71964 When you asked why is SIngpaore stil doing busines with Myanmar, with Suharto and Marco? Realpolitik. I recalled a rport in The Economist that when Singapore roundly condemned Vietnam's invasion of Cambodia, it did not stopped Singapore being the "largest" investor in Vienam then. 9/11 2001. Majority are Saudi....including Bin Laden. Wabhabism (sorry can't get spelling correct) was alleged the roots of al those Muslim Fundamentalism. Why was Iraq invaded? Realpolitik. Singapore Inc has a fiduciary duty to its shareholders - people like you and me - to generate wealth and substain present 'standard of living" How does boycotting China 60s, Vietnam 70s, Myanmar, Suharto, Marco, et al help Singapore. Will Gods then feed Singapore for beign righteous and on moral high grounds? When you asked why is SIngpaore stil doing busines with Myanmar, with Suharto and Marco?

Realpolitik.

I recalled a rport in The Economist that when Singapore roundly condemned Vietnam’s invasion of Cambodia, it did not stopped Singapore being the “largest” investor in Vienam then.

9/11 2001.
Majority are Saudi….including Bin Laden.
Wabhabism (sorry can’t get spelling correct) was alleged the roots of al those Muslim Fundamentalism.
Why was Iraq invaded?
Realpolitik.

Singapore Inc has a fiduciary duty to its shareholders – people like you and me – to generate wealth and substain present ‘standard of living”

How does boycotting China 60s, Vietnam 70s, Myanmar, Suharto, Marco, et al help Singapore.

Will Gods then feed Singapore for beign righteous and on moral high grounds?

]]> By: aloha http://theonlinecitizen.com/2009/05/singapore-rolling-out-red-carpet-for-barbarians-and-murderers/comment-page-1/#comment-71960 aloha Fri, 08 May 2009 12:35:54 +0000 http://theonlinecitizen.com/?p=9291#comment-71960 laundry machines? really... tell me more... i am innocent, i dont know much eh. ha ha ha laundry machines? really… tell me more… i am innocent, i dont know much eh. ha ha ha

]]> By: Justin http://theonlinecitizen.com/2009/05/singapore-rolling-out-red-carpet-for-barbarians-and-murderers/comment-page-1/#comment-71957 Justin Fri, 08 May 2009 12:25:56 +0000 http://theonlinecitizen.com/?p=9291#comment-71957 Is Mr Chiam See Tong considered a talent able to lead this country, if not for his age? Is Mr Chiam See Tong considered a talent able to lead this country, if not for his age?

]]> By: Bb http://theonlinecitizen.com/2009/05/singapore-rolling-out-red-carpet-for-barbarians-and-murderers/comment-page-1/#comment-71954 Bb Fri, 08 May 2009 12:18:55 +0000 http://theonlinecitizen.com/?p=9291#comment-71954 Modernist: "Do we have these kind of leaders?" You donch think so does not mean there aren't such leaders in Spore. Agree? At least you get to know about the particular case in Malaysia. You think Spore leaders will leak such kind of info for you to see them in bad light? They don't need to do it that way, as you have proven by falling for their "they have to pay themselves too much to prevent corruption!! Modernist: “Do we have these kind of leaders?”

You donch think so does not mean there aren’t such leaders in Spore. Agree? At least you get to know about the particular case in Malaysia. You think Spore leaders will leak such kind of info for you to see them in bad light? They don’t need to do it that way, as you have proven by falling for their “they have to pay themselves too much to prevent corruption!!

]]> By: modernist http://theonlinecitizen.com/2009/05/singapore-rolling-out-red-carpet-for-barbarians-and-murderers/comment-page-1/#comment-71934 modernist Fri, 08 May 2009 11:09:41 +0000 http://theonlinecitizen.com/?p=9291#comment-71934 Wow. Such cogent arguments from Daniel until I also dont know how to rebut. It would be nice if he can suggest constructive alternative. Actually I dont know how to focus on his arguments. Sorry I stupid. He seems to have strayed quite a bit from the points I made about difficulty in getting leadership succession. Anyway, lets just agree to disagree. At least I got free speech. Wow. Such cogent arguments from Daniel until I also dont know how to rebut. It would be nice if he can suggest constructive alternative. Actually I dont know how to focus on his arguments. Sorry I stupid. He seems to have strayed quite a bit from the points I made about difficulty in getting leadership succession. Anyway, lets just agree to disagree. At least I got free speech.

]]> By: Daniel http://theonlinecitizen.com/2009/05/singapore-rolling-out-red-carpet-for-barbarians-and-murderers/comment-page-1/#comment-71929 Daniel Fri, 08 May 2009 10:50:10 +0000 http://theonlinecitizen.com/?p=9291#comment-71929 "Daniel: Since when does government does not have accountability and responsibility?" Are you kidding me with the question ? Don't ask me to ballot lot because I haven't have a chance to vote since late 1980s (only one time in my whole life as far), and I think 50% of those who haven't the chance vote will agree. Just giving your own-one side examples means having accountability and responsbility ? How about Junta supplying money to boost Singapore economy, should the Junta be our generous benefactor then ? You know what we talking about or you pretend not. Give accountability and responsibility where it impacts the citizen's concern (CPF, housing, gst etc). People are not stupid here. “Daniel: Since when does government does not have accountability and responsibility?”
Are you kidding me with the question ?

Don’t ask me to ballot lot because I haven’t have a chance to vote since late 1980s (only one time in my whole life as far), and I think 50% of those who haven’t the chance vote will agree.

Just giving your own-one side examples means having accountability and responsbility ? How about Junta supplying money to boost Singapore economy, should the Junta be our generous benefactor then ?

You know what we talking about or you pretend not. Give accountability and responsibility where it impacts the citizen’s concern (CPF, housing, gst etc). People are not stupid here.

]]> By: Modernist http://theonlinecitizen.com/2009/05/singapore-rolling-out-red-carpet-for-barbarians-and-murderers/comment-page-1/#comment-71923 Modernist Fri, 08 May 2009 10:38:19 +0000 http://theonlinecitizen.com/?p=9291#comment-71923 Daniel: Since when does government does not have accountability and responsibility? When you go to the ballot box, thats where you show your sentiments as voters and citizens who you want in office. In the interim, if there is any governmental action you dont like, there are channels for your complaints, through yr MP, papers or internet, over here. DOnt thik for a second that they are not reading these posts. But I completely lost you there from the last 2 lines, becos I dont know what you are talking about! Take Najib Tun Razak. Minister of Defence of Malaysia then. Buy helicopter and submarine. Get crony company to provide consultancy services belonging to Razak Baginda (who then refused to pay Mongolian woman commission and we know what happened to her). Of the purchase price of billions, 10% goes to crony company for service fees. God knows what service was provided for the transaction. Do they have acountability? Businessmen conflict with goverment? Are they practising protectionism -if thats what you mean by protecting their own interest? Do we have these kind of leaders? I donch think so. Daniel: Since when does government does not have accountability and responsibility? When you go to the ballot box, thats where you show your sentiments as voters and citizens who you want in office. In the interim, if there is any governmental action you dont like, there are channels for your complaints, through yr MP, papers or internet, over here. DOnt thik for a second that they are not reading these posts. But I completely lost you there from the last 2 lines, becos I dont know what you are talking about!

Take Najib Tun Razak. Minister of Defence of Malaysia then. Buy helicopter and submarine. Get crony company to provide consultancy services belonging to Razak Baginda (who then refused to pay Mongolian woman commission and we know what happened to her). Of the purchase price of billions, 10% goes to crony company for service fees. God knows what service was provided for the transaction. Do they have acountability? Businessmen conflict with goverment? Are they practising protectionism -if thats what you mean by protecting their own interest? Do we have these kind of leaders? I donch think so.

]]> By: Daniel http://theonlinecitizen.com/2009/05/singapore-rolling-out-red-carpet-for-barbarians-and-murderers/comment-page-1/#comment-71914 Daniel Fri, 08 May 2009 10:19:21 +0000 http://theonlinecitizen.com/?p=9291#comment-71914 Modernist , you seem to distract the issue. People don't have problem recognizing that high pay is needed as reward for merit and good work but people have problem understanding why we need to pay so astronomical money to gahmen who don't have notion of accountability and responsibility, and moreover with conflict of interest, and one who can choose at will to decide in situation when to be a businessman and government figure to maximize their benefit and protectionism. Modernist ,
you seem to distract the issue. People don’t have problem recognizing that high pay is needed as reward for merit and good work but people have problem understanding why we need to pay so astronomical money to gahmen who don’t have notion of accountability and responsibility, and moreover with conflict of interest, and one who can choose at will to decide in situation when to be a businessman and government figure to maximize their benefit and protectionism.

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