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We reproduce Two Facebook notes sent to us by NUS Lecturer Gwee Li Sui, a Christian of 25 years, calling for the withdrawal of the new Executive Committee of Aware, as well as a petition started by parents calling on MOE to review AWARE’s current Comprehensive Sexual Education Programme.
Read also the National Council of Churches of Singapore’s stand in the Straits Times’ report: Churches should stay out.
Facebook Note One
Gwee Li Su
Christians in Singapore, listen! You should not be this conflicted about the AWARE debacle. It appears that a few churches have already taken the opportunity to preach on the issue of homosexuality from the pulpit. Some Christians have also been rattling on about it being time to make a stand and be counted for what one truly believes.
So this is me making a stand right here. I have been a Bible-believing Christian for 25 years now. I want first to acknowledge fellow believers who, like me, are shocked, angered, and saddened by the takeover and feel that their faith has been hijacked and their views ignored. I know that a lot of such affected Christians are out there. There is also another group which may not agree with the new team’s tactics but admires its fervour or sympathises with it for the heat it has been getting.
But, most of all, I want to address a crucial third party: Christian women who have been encouraged to stand up and be counted for their beliefs. I wish to appeal to their good sense in these last hours. You may be one of these and have even joined, or are planning to join, AWARE to help swing the votes in favour of the new ex-co on Saturday. Especially if I am describing you, please read on!
Yes, there are times when a Christian needs to make a courageous stand – but, in every event, always ask yourself: For what cause is this? What context does it serve? The current scenario is not one where we are being asked what our beliefs on certain issues are or whether Christianity and homosexuality are compatible or we are being mocked or discriminated against. It is a simple context where a group of well-meaning Christians infiltrated a secular organisation in order to be in a position to dictate their own values in its daily running. In this light, what a Christian may feel about issues like homosexuality is besides the point!
As a secular body, AWARE rightly cannot have a vision that treats women from different backgrounds through the outlook of just one religious system. Indeed, I dare say that an appropriate Christian response is to resist the actions of these Christians. Just as God gave every person free choice and the opportunity to believe, we ought to support the sanctity of this right for others to make up their own minds and live their own lives. Just as we do not force the Christian faith down someone’s throat against his or her will, we should not take over a non-religious organisation for the single purpose of making others unlike us behave as we believe. To do this would be a gross misapplication of the message of Jesus.
If you support the new ex-co’s actions, be aware that you are sending a string of possibly irreversible wrong signals to every Singaporean. Consider carefully whether you are willing to shoulder the responsibility of damages that would affect the longstanding good work of Christians in Singapore. Since the government has chosen not to be involved in the matter so far, whatever happens will be seen clearly by all as the response of particular sectors of society.
Here is my short list of obvious implications:
[1] Support the new ex-co, and you are effectively saying that you condone its quasi-corporate act of infiltration, with related strategies of secrecy, disinformation, moral coercion, and fear-mongering. You are saying that you support its less-than-Christian covert moves more than traditionally Christian ones like dialogue, open engagement, honesty, and clarity.
[2] Support the new ex-co, and we will go down a slippery road with wide-ranging repercussions for all. Don’t believe for a moment that the manoeuvring will stop here. What this invites others to see is that infiltration is the most effective way for small groups of like-minded individuals to seize power quickly — and where will this end? What is to stop any religious or ideological group from doing the same to any social institution at every level? In the long run, who do you think loses?
[3] Support the new ex-co, and you potentially make light of the freedom that is God’s gift to every human being. Against your best intentions, you may send out instead the message that we Christians think that we know better than everyone else and that we are willing to outflank, overpower, and overwhelm if we do not get our way.
[4] Support the new ex-co, and, if they stay and behave as predicted, you will be directly responsible for undoing the trust that many Christians have taken years to build with their non-Christian friends. This is a trust built on mutual respect. You will have made the Gospel of Christ more difficult to hear for years to come because people will think that they know what it is about. You will have created a new generation of Christ-haters.
This matter, in short, is not to be treated lightly. Jesus tells us all to be “wise as serpents, and harmless as doves”. There are times to be passionate and helpful in a gungho way, but this is not the time. Christians can be wrong about many things too. So please, by all means, pray for the AWARE debacle to be resolved amicably and for Christians in AWARE, but do not, in the name of our common faith, go in blind support of other Christians because you are Christian!
Facebook Note 2
This is a follow-up to my earlier note. After posting it, I received — and am still receiving — words of thanks and encouragement from many Christians and people with different beliefs and opinions. The Christians specifically said that it was what they needed to hear or would have liked to get across themselves.
But I have also received less appreciative messages. Some of these charged me with having sown discord and embarrassed Christianity in front of non-believers. The irony did not escape me, but then I began to wonder whether I did make one too many assumptions. These comments were probably knee-jerk reactions, meaning that some Christians may actually not have thought it possible that other Christians, a whole lot of us, could be this appalled with the episode.
For this reason, as a brother-in-Christ, I feel that I need to believe that the new ex-co’s sadness over its negative reception and its willingness to heal the social rifts it caused are genuine. There has already been too much distrust, and somewhere trust has to re-begin. My appeal for non-support is not about humiliating or condemning any group of individuals on either side. Those who have hoped that I came out in strong condemnation of one, emailing me links to sex education and “the gay agenda”, or in clear support of the other, initially mistitling my view as “supporting the Old Guard”, know that I won’t.
This is not being wishy-washy; it is staying focussed. The simple disagreement is with a course of action pursued by a group of Christians that has caused suspicion between communities and fear within each. If everyone is to set aside his or her own fixation — gay, anti-gay, faith in practice, fundamentalism, etc. — and trace back to the source of our current unhappiness, he or she will see that it all started with a single fateful decision. One ought not then to doubt that these Christians intend good from their point of view, but one has every reason to doubt that things could be restored and relationships healed by going down the same road.
As the party involved is Christian, the most amicable solution may well also be the most obvious. In fact, how could we not have seen it? We Christians believe in a God who gives every person second chances in life. Every chance after the first two is still the second: that’s how gracious we believe He is! When one makes a mistake or realises that one has followed a bad choice, there is no shame in admitting wrong, so long as one is sincere about changing. The choice to turn back is never a Christian defeat; it is our triumph!
Indeed, paradoxically in this situation, one can also only move on, move forward, by going backwards to the point where the wrong choice was made and choose rightly this time. This is a versatile truth I learnt from C. S. Lewis a long time ago. If the new ex-co will, without contest, give up its seats for a more inclusive shape of leadership in AWARE, it will have regained, I dare say, the faith of many Singaporeans and the admiration and support of every Christian in full measure. These individuals can then go on to pursue in earnest their concern over homosexual teaching in schools and related issues with the right authorities. I want to believe that everyone in that later business will be cooperative and respect the eventual findings, whatever the outcome is.
If the AWARE Christians in current leadership and those gearing up to vote tomorrow will choose this infinitely less harmful route, they will have made us all who are Christians proud of them. Do consider the option seriously: it is as practical and as Christian as it can get. Realise that fellow believers like me who are outraged want peace too and have been praying for it. But, when it comes to making peace a reality, only specific individuals are able to effect it. The ball is in their court alone. We can all avoid a confrontation. We can stun the nation with one simple move that affirms love, faith, and hope, all at once.
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The following is a message accompanying an online petition raising concerns about Aware’s sex education programme.
Dear parents,
We need your help – and your signatures!
Many of us are concerned about recent press reports about ‘comprehensive sexuality education’ (CSE) programmes conducted in schools by AWARE that endorse homosexuality and anal sex as ‘normal’ or ‘neutral’.
For example some statements from the current CSE programme (as reported in “Nothing ’sneaky’ about elections”, Sunday Times, 26 April 2009) include:
Anal sex ‘can be healthy or neutral if practised with consent and with a condom’.
‘Avoid using the term ‘husband’ and use ‘partner’ instead, so it is more inclusive. For example, ‘homosexuals have partners, not husbands’.’
If you are concerned that such programmes have been brought into our schools, and taught to our children, we would like to invite you to join us in signing the letter at
http://www.ipetitions.com/petition/parents_sex_ed_appeal/
Please do so by 10 May 2009.
We hope to send this letter, with as many of your signatures as possible, to the good Minister for Education to express our concern about such programmes being actually conducted in our schools.
We are confident he will give it due consideration.
With your help, we hope that our children will get the best value-added education in our home we call Singapore.
We also hope that we will all be able to work with our schools in the wholesome education of our children, not least of all in the area of sexuality education.
Thank you for your support!
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42) Zefly (aka Joshua Chiang) on May 2nd, 2009 12.13 am
Thanks Zefly – its been fun although I keep complaining about these F_____ s being like cockroaches. Stamp on one and another crawls out. I’ll be there tomrw and whatever happens, we’ll at least have done our bit in telling the world about these evil ones. Fortunately they are dumb sheep – I mean, no complaints on the CSE for two years and suddenly a whole chorus of synchronised bleating – how fake can you get? Concerned Parents” – haha what a hoot! I laughed and laughed at this tactic – so badly planned that it’s funny.
Well, at least it ended on a funny note thanks to the sheep supporters. I’m out of here and won’t post anymore but its been a blast.
Cheers Zefly. May the force be with you.
i also thank God.
i thank God for sending this group of silly women to help us open our eyes. i now fully understand why this group of silly women has to do the way they do. they dont have a choice, considering they were groomed by the feminist mentor to use bitchy tactics against the old guards of AWARE.
copy from SingaporeChristiansOnline.com:-
SingaporeChristiansOnline.com takes a neutral stance in the current Aware leadership dispute and does not want to be involved. However, SingaporeChristiansOnline.com objects to the use of religious background of any person to further one’s objective and aims in our multi-religious and multi-ethnic Singapore.
http://www.singaporechristiansonline.com/christianforums/
seems that they are not supporting too.
anything about education go direst all quires to MOE. i think some people here got the LBGT so obsessed they will just complain to any organisation for the sake of complaining.
Aware in neutral to LBGTs, not pro or against. IMO, Aware’s approach is to promote dialogue, encourage parents to take a keener interest in their child/ren.
those ugly Sporean parents should be ashamed of themselves for being made used of to further another’s selfish goal & as a parent/s!!
We do not allow a rapist to teach his “agenda” to our school children because we do not believe that he was “born that way” or that he was “made that way”. So, why do we allow a gay to teach his agenda? or a lesbian to teach hers? or a child molester? or an animal “lover”? Why do we allow our attention to be diverted into perverted argument? The issue is not about NGOs, new or old guards, church or God, or the quality of journalism. We have all been subverted by the LGBTQ lobby. The issue is about ALL our children, not just Christian children, of Singapore.
quite silly that some of you choose to judge the whole program on the basis of 3 lines taken out of context, if everyone were to do that to religious text all of them would be render null a long time ago.
and Vincent Tan, the facts are there proven that quite a lot of motive has been going on basis of some ill informed ‘religous’ views in taking over Aware.
Again the case was never whether you were religious or not, it’s in adopting a form of beliefs is is very exclusivistic and wants to run those that don’t believe in them to the ground.
Pastors are human beings as well and human beings are not perfect and they DO SIN AND LIE!
44) parent & 46) Lyn,
The pastor may or may not have lied, but members of his flock did lie through their noses and he is supporting the lie without so much as a word to get them to repent and make up for the sin.
Imagine a child telling a lie to get hold of something he fancies which belongs to another child and the father of the first child does nothing to reprimand his child even though he sees this happening before his eyes? Imagine still, the same father telling his child’s friends to come to the defence of his dishonest child?
Those who cannot see the picture for what it is has really lost it. What values have we learnt from our parents and what values are we going to pass on to our children? The reason behind the act of stealing cannot justify the stealing, no matter how good a reason one may have. It’s as simple as that.
The turn up of Aware’s AGM on March was more than usual having ard 70++ new faces. Aware got ard 300++ members. So why didn’t these people came to support the old guard? Why need to recruit another 120 members to sign for a no-confidence motion when you can ask existing members?
When the new guard were voted in, where were the old Aware members? No one bothered what. Now being voted in, the new Aware seems to “hijack” Aware. Than now people said it’s a Christian thingy.
I don’t think only Christian shd step up, but mainly concerned parents who are worried about the CSE programme.
None of the Old guard came to apologise for the content of the CSE but kept covering up and find excuses to say MOE approved??? Why can’t they admit their mistakes and sit down with the new guard and work things through.
Aware is a secular organization, but have any other religion or organisation notice about the CSE programme except Lawyer Thio?
I’m glad she exposed this. I’m aware of the old aware now.
Whether you are christian or not, does not matter. It’s not about religion now. It;s the moral value that “certain pple” is trying to slowly inflitrate the mind of the next generation. Don”t regret if you make the wrong decision.
Gwee: Keep ur idea of ur religion to urself. So this is what u learn for the pass 25 yrs of bible reading. Is it the same version or only the content page?
singaaware-
now that MOE has decided to review the sex education – does it not mean the new AWARE aims have been met?
Should they not step down now?
Why did they sack Braema Mathi – who PAP supportsand have nomiated as an NMP?? This is so anti-christian – disrgarding her past contributions.
Now her work are under lock and key of New Aware office?
COOS should have a teen sex education package and pass it to MOE so MOE can use their materials – if they are good fr ALL OF SINGAPORE.
12 years old Anal sex – should go to hell?
woah – so eating shell fish and a lady talking out of place in church should also go to hell?
hmmmm…… SOME Christians make themselves look so silly…
some – not all,
“Parent on May 1st, 2009 11.59 pm i think dr thio is doing a good job. she’s a women of character. there’s nothing wrong with what shes doing. give her and her team more time to prove themselves.”
Dr Thio and her team? When did Dr Thio become a member of the ex-co? Was she elected? When? Another instance of the high-handedness of Josie Lau & her pussycats? They just co-opt anyone they like, and likewise sack anyone they like? Like the staff member who was sacked because she made a statement of fact – that Josie Lau was not elected, but APPOINTED.
I support how the old AWARE and MOE have approached sex education so far. It is objective and inclusive, not marginalising any student who may be different. It also helps “more normal” students understand and be more tolerant of other “minorities”. I would want my child to know what the real world is all about and not be an ostrich with his/her head in the sand. What kind of education would that be? The CSE presents facts and lets the attendees formulate their own convictions based on their personal upbringing, family values and personal beliefs/religion. The claims made in the petition by concerned parents have been taken quite out of context to incite fear.
If parents fear their children might be “veer off the norm”, then they should impart their beliefs, morals and convictions within the confines of their own family and religion. I do not want them to dictate how sex education be taught to my child, especially when what these parent are calling for is biased and not the full truth about the real world.
I would have agreed with Ong TH (#10) on his observations that we should not relate the stand against promotion of pro-homosexuality just because the new exco has christians. In other words, if someone from religion X, (or no particular religion) makes a move into the foray and states a certain position, I cannot claim that the entire argument is because of so and so having such a religious belief against those who don’t agree. I have to ask if there’s impact in a larger context.
The issue is clearly in the larger context of what SIGNALS and VALUES we want our next generation to acquire, especially from important channels like MOE and AWARE. I have no issues with diversity of views, but I agree wiith Linda (#55) that concerned parents should step up. Calling for diversity of views without looking at entire context, including a moral (or amoral) one is an extremely shallow argument.
Frankly speaking, in real life I am not so against the homosexual or les as most of them are in fact well behaving, gentle and kind fellow. In real life, i am more scared of fanatics christian trying to convert me.
So far, i have “lost” 3 friends as they have unsuccessful trying to “save” me. And after the failure, they never even attempt to “friend ” me anymore, even i called them. Just forever MIA. haha. so much so for the friendship.
58) smallvice585
Who allege that ” fellow Christians who want to impose the values and views of the Christian Right Movement on everyone”? Did the new exco says so or the old guard insinuate such ulterior motives or the newspapers hinted at such motives?
Let say I accuse you that based on religious belief and background that you want to impose your values and views on certain projects right after you are promoted or elected to a certain position without you been given a chance to set out agenda or direction, is it fair that you are condemned by your religious background?
Compare what the old guards have proven in their sexual education programme. The evidence speaks loud and clear and undeniable while all others are just allegations and accusations on new exco, obviously very bitchy tactics by old guards of Aware.
By the way, the statement by SingaporeChristiansOnline.com is a very PR statement that can be put by any religious groups. To see hidden daggers in such a PR statement shows your inner heart.
33) Scherzerade on May 1st, 2009 11.23 pm
‘Question 1: when was the petition put up – before or after MOE contacted the ‘feminist mentor’, Dr Thio Su Mien, to give specifics of material promoting homosexuality & lesbianism in schools, etc?’
After the petition initiator Mdm K F Khoo found out about the alleged perverted CSE. Her petition has now received over 2520 signatures:
http://www.ipetitions.com/petition/parents_sex_ed_appeal/index.html
“Question 2: who put up the petition, is she a member of COOS, or a supporter of the new Ex-co?”
Mdm KF Khoo. Is she a member of COOS? I don’t know. I she a supporter of the new exco? Why not ask her yourself in her website?
“Question 3: How come MOE had not received any complaints from ‘concerned parents’ before Dr Thio was requested to justify her statements?”
Because they were all in the dark about the alleged perverted CSE program. They were not in the loop! How to complain when you are kept in the dark?
“Question 4: why didn’t Dr Thio, Josie Lau & co, if they are so concerned about AWARE’s CSE ,raise this issue before with AWARE or MOE?”
This is because the impossible (get into AWARE’s exco) they did immediately but raising the alleged perverted CSE issues took a little longer as they need to sift out more facts and other legal issue before they took action.
“Question 5: the 2000+ parents who signed, are they members of COOS, supporters of Josie Lau & co?”
This is hard to know as they don’t reveal their affliiations. I think many are very concerned parents!
“The timing of this petition is a very, very strange coincidence.”
If you feel strongly about some societal issues I am sure you will get off your butt and do the same or are you so apathetic?
” Wonder if COOS sent out another email to its congregation to sign the petition to help justify what was said by the ‘feminist mentor’ and her cohorts.”
That you have to ask the pastor.
57) Scherzerade on May 2nd, 2009 10.03 am
“Dr Thio and her team? When did Dr Thio become a member of the ex-co?” Was she elected? When? ”
Who said she was? When a coach says this is my soccer team, does it mean she/he also a player? Please think before you ask a silly question in anger.
“Josie Lau was not elected, but APPOINTED.”
When Clare resigned as president after 11 days what do you think the new exco should do? Sit on their hands and cry? They nominated Josie to be the president. Is this not legal under AWARE’s constitution?
If you think it was not legal why don’t you seek legal counsel and take the case to the high court, if you are a member!
For your info, Josie was nominated for exco membership ONLY at the last AGM by Mrs Clare Nazar, who was in turn nominated for president by Constance Singam.
Clare was voted in as president of AWARE and Mrs Singam was delighted ! Josie was elected a member of Clare’s exco. It shows that the new members were not there to take over AWARE.
Mrs Singam’s candidate was elected president at the last AGM. That was not a coup by the new members as some like to falsely spread the rumor.
Josie did not ask to be president of AWARE. She stepped into the position after Clare resigned as president after 11 days in office! So why blame Josie ?
The old guards only made noise and asked for the EGM only after Josie became president. Why the double standard?
Get your facts right first and stop being so angry. It is not good for the blood pressure!
After reading so much about this subject, I am actually no nearer to understanding the issue.
But I like to point out that Dr Chee took over Mr Chiam See Tong’s Democratic association (they prefer to call it Party) and got nowhere.
Today Chiam See Tong is still serving his constituents and Dr Chee is still not an MP.
On the issue of homosexuality, somehow I have always believed that a person is homosexual because he is homosexual and not because he a heterosexual turned homosexual because someone persuades him to feel homosexual is such a great lifestyle.
If this DR Gwee is so sincere, he should just write to Josie Lau instead of flaunting this letter and all of Christianity flaws in public.
I was at the AGM and there were a few appalling things happening. Firstly, the vocal majority in this case were the lesbians and homosexuals and they did impose their views very vehemently on everyone else. Secondly, experienced people were sacked or removed from office for very little reason and thirdly the new exco spend too much money on what i thought was a big ra-ra for a lot of hippies.
And not surprising, everyone kept diverting the topic back to 3 issues. 1)homosexuality, 2)90,000 worth of funds and 3)why people were removed. There were other questions raised, women for women, how lesbians and butches should be included in AWARE, how trannies should be included in AWARE now that they are female.
The letter above has a lot of stuff i don’t agree with but if there is one thing i agree on is that the new exco should quit. Now that they have and if they were for a pro-family, pro-woman’s organisation, they should start their own. It is just too much trouble, AWARE is too messy.
ANAL SEX IS HEALTHY. If you find this statement uncomfortable, you better get used to it . The old guards have taken Power of AWARE. Shitty business.
so officially AWARE old guards are Peddlers of Filth.
so the old guards of AWARE are so readily to PLAY the ” Religion Card” to take back Power. First they attacked those who are Christians , then next they will attacked the Buddhists and Muslims. Next they will Play the “Race Card” , chinese are hated by a Malay Muslims lady , supporter of the old guards during EGM.
If you noticed, DR Gwee did not disagress with the CSE program perversely teaching children that anal sex is healthy, Homosexuals is perfectly normal, pre-marital sex is okay etc… In his silence to this perverse teachings promoted by the old guards and his one sided diversion attack on the new exco, and never mind his claim to be a christian for 25 years, any sensible thinking person can figure out who he really is and stands for,
Dear Wasthere,
It sounds like you weren’t there.
Luckily, I was there. It is a gross defamation on your part to say that the vocal majority were lesbians and homosexuals. Women from young to old, different faiths, racial and social backgrounds came forward to stand up for what they see as a Gross breach of trust and moral conduct on the part of Ms Lau’s team. If you were there you would have realised that most people are perturbed by the way the new team were legally, but not democratically elected. Not democratically because democracy requires stakeholders to cast their say and votes for the society’s mission and purpose of being to be carried out. All the new ex-co members and their supporters joined Aware ‘coincidentally’ a few months before the EGM, and surprisingly mostly from the same church (though none of them knew each other.) They have never been all the hard work Aware has put in nor had they served nor volunteered. They are simply not stakeholders in Aware. How would you feel if a huge bunch of people overrun your church and cast your committee out by joining a few months ago as members, and proceed to set a different agenda? Be fair. If I disagree with you, I take it up in a civil manner of discourse or debates, but not by taking advantage of a weak constitution.
It’s Constance Singam’s question again – where were these new ‘feminists’ when they started advocating women’s rights in Singapore? Why did they kept quiet about so many questions? Why did they install CCTV in a place where abused and traumatised women came to seek help? Why did they allow their husbands to lounge in a place where abused women come to as a sanctuary? Why did they sack longtime workers and volunteers on flimsy reasons that would not even pass in a corporation? Why do they know almost NOTHING of the operations of AWARE? Why, when asked if they even know what CEDAW is, kept quiet? Why do they defer endlessly to their legal counsel the moment they are pressed for finer points of their agenda and take on many many issues besides the money, homosexuality? AND why don’t they just set up a COOS Christian Women’s Organisation instead of inflitrating this way, usurp premises and squandered funds that are painstakingly collected over the years?
And by the way, AWARE is a women’s organisation. Anyone regardless of sexual orientation, as long as they are women, are part of the organisation. Homophobia has no place here.
I was there and i was being fair. I did mentioned that experienced staff were sacked or removed from office for very little reason. I am also fair to say that the vocal majority there were lesbians and homosexuals. They were vocal. If lesbians and homosexuals were so proudly flaunting their sexuality and could admit it there, why can’t you let me tell it as it is over here in this forum. I do agree they spend a lot of money too on something that they didn’t have to, so you don’t need to repeat my point. I also did mention everyone wanted to be in AWARE regardless of sexual orientation so i don’t know what is your point really. The difference is you call it a women’s organisation and i call it a ‘everyone’s’ organisation. Free loving bro.
To be fairer, just like to highlight that anal sex is taught as being permitted now in the Comprehensive Sexuality Education and that kids are told in this guide that they should put a condom over their sex toys. So if your kid comes home from a school that teaches it and asking to put a condom over Bunny, tell them, ‘its a tad bit hard to darling’. Haha.
I digree. You don’t even know if i am from a church, you just assume i am from one because your mindset is that its the christians against the gay issue again.
There you go making assumptions. Like how you assume i wasn’t there. Or how AWARE assumes all our kids like being taught sexual stuff like that in school. Did you ever ask me if i was from a church? Why did you not ask me if i am Muslim or Indian or Hindu? Or are christians your targeted group? Just keep the christians out of your ‘everyone’s’ organisation if you wish.
As for all your other comments and questions, i am not the new exco, please do not address your questions to me or ask me for a justification. I believed they have resigned and so you have no one to vent or hurl your accusations at but that’s not really my problem.
I was there and i have my opinion about it, so just as much as you do not like me to tell you what i think about your opinion, don’t impose your views on me. I didn’t vote but after seeing all the unruly behavior there, i wish i did now.
Wasthere.
Apologies for assuming you are from a church. You are right on that I shouldn’t have.
But to say that the vocal majority are lesbian or homosexual is very wrong. Lots of heterosexuals were making themselves heard, and most of the questions are asked by the heterosexuals. As for the shouting, chanting and booing, almost everyone who is not in a red T shirt is doing so. Will you say that those who are not in red are homosexuals? I hope not.
As for the sexual education issue, this does not justify such a takeover. If they do not agree, there are many other ways they could have voiced it. The manner in which they have taken over AWARE is why so many people are queuing to vote against them. I may not agree with the agenda of many organisations today, but I do not go around trying to shut them down as long as they leave me alone.
The questions are not directed at you – I listed them as they are questions that are asked and which the ex-co sidestep because they cannot answer them, or conveniently refer them to their legal counsel. This is just to remind everyone that there’s a lot more to the meeting than what you have mentioned.
Please note that that I am not trying to impose my views on you, unless you see posting as an imposition. If I have come across as too angry, I apologise.
yes, the red shirt says ‘PRO WOMAN’ – which woman i wonder. betta they go set up their own organisation to be pro WOMAN, or pro FM oso can.
To: eh, it is PRO-christians
To those christians who are supporters of josie lau and Thiology:
Put yourself in other people’s shoe, will you be happy if someone say that being a christian is wrong, unnatural and sinful and is defying Our God’s will? Just because your christian bible says so doesn’t mean the whole nation have to take extra caution not to step over the line which your God draw. Who do you think you are to decide who can’t cross the line?
And your Derek Hong, he said that the bible is in black and white, written by who?Who can prove that the bible teachings are not distorted along the way?Did God even write those things with his own hands?Or it was written by the early christians to create beliefs for people who wish to believe?Anything can happen along the way and who are you to say that every single thing in the bible could be taken literally?If you truly think that your God is great, please stay within your christian zone and stop bugging the non-believers.
SingingBird. the bible is in black and white.. literally. think these ppl betta off in a quaker community.
and Wasthere – ya, wonder why those women never think of starting their own in the first place instead of dragging everyone through this? matyrdom? self sacrifice? self flagellation?
For a list of disparities between the actual CSE and Aware’s CSE Trainer doc, go check out what voice0freason wrote.
http://comment.straitstimes.com/showthread.php?t=19461&page=28
Aware is definitely up to no good. No good at all.
81) duh
go read the news properly. aware never said that they didn’t state all the points listed. in fact they said they did! wat’s wrong with neutrality for these terms? and anal sex is definitely healthy – no kids, no abortions, no unnecessary humans to propagate bigoted ideas and it’s good for keeping ice caps and maintaining the rainforests.
i have to say it again, for all the tirade all these ‘concerned parents’ have against sex and sex education, there is a very unnatural obsession in the details of what other people do in their bedrooms here. and u guys keep posting it on every other forum all the details, by now even children who have never heard of anal sex would have seen your postings everywhere.
anal sex healthy or not, painful or not, right or not. i think some people here just devote too much time on that subject, like the brain is stuck there. muahaa….
a healthy mind enhances a healthy body, thinking about anal sex (even if its unhealthy, painful & wrong) too much is unhealthy.