I support Qwee’s call to the committee to quit because in the wake of anti christians and accusations of unethical hijack it will not heal but widen the rift and it is NOT the aim of the new AWARE. If you don’t you will continue to face hostility and distrust.and you will be viewed suspiciously as an group with a christian agenda to convert others or impose your belief on them.
You have already won. You have already made known the chtistian stand on homosexual activities.You have made known that christians are NOT anti homosexuals and that is all needed to be done and it is done. Let other make their choices and bear the consequences of their choice. You have already sown the seeds and that is your responsibility only. You don’t need to see to their transformation, that is NOT your business.
Hand over the rein on a platter to the old AWARE committee at the EOGM and bury the hatchet and apologise for the take over with love.
Let Jesus be glorified.

Good points of consideration for Christians. Forward it to your friends =]

Unfortunately, the wheels are turning and can’t be stopped. If online chatter be the guide, then the new exco will defeat (albeit narrowly) the motion of no-confidence. Have you noticed the defeaning silence shown by the pro new exco support? This is a sign of quiet confidence that they have marshalled their resources to win this.

And with this, our country will enter a new and dangerous phase of religious fundamentalism from all beliefs and faiths. Mark my words.

Kudos to you, Peace, for a sensible piece of advise as the new exco of AWARE have generated more anti-Christian feelings than they are aware of (no puns intended). My own perception of the good that Christianity / Christians represent went downhill after I read about the covert way in which they went about to take over AWARE. To put it mildly, it was deceitful and totally un-Christian like.

Mr Gwee Li Su need not apologize for “having sown discord and embarrassed Christianity in front of non-believers.” On the contrary, he should be held up as a model of Christ’s love for a diverse society. It is humility that submits that arrogant church members do exist, and need to be reminded that Jesus forgives a sinner, even the prostitute Mary Magdalene. Several AGMs ago, we had to chide our own pastor for reporting he went on a sabatical, when it was actually a paid holiday some church members felt he deserved after so many years of service. As Christians, we cannot set judgemental views for those outside our flock if we don’t abide by same high standards within our own congregation. Was it not Christ who said, “He that is without sin among you, let him first cast a stone at her?”

1) Peace on May 1st, 2009 10.38 am

Wow, Peace, is that you? I mean, the same Peace that has been posting on the other threads?

But no matter, you are absolutely right. If the new exco had wished to make a point, it has indeed been most emphatically made (whether one agrees with them or not) and if they really want to exit gracefully, this is the best time to do so.

My thoughts: http://singaporesocialactivist.blogspot.com/2009/04/act-of-self-righteousness.html

I think Li Sui has eloquently voiced my concern regarding this AWARE incident, especially if the new exco remains in power. The guarded approach that many (including me, probably) will employ when dealing with Christians and Christian organisations will severely hamper religious understanding in Singapore.

As for the petition, I wonder if it was posted before or after MOE published their statement.

What you’ve uttered is exactly what’s on my mind too! Kudos.

I am not sure if our perception is all correct.

The fact that the majority (or all ) of the new Exco happened to be Christians is perhaps a mere coincidence. That they stood against the promotion of pro-homosexuality is a stand not only taken by Christians, but also by the other religions. Or even amongst aethists if I may suggest.

The media has repeatedly played up the “christian”aspect of the new exco and thier church membership. This is, I must say, unfortunate if not, questionable. It has skewed the public perception and has cause it to be seen as “Christains against the Old Aware or against the Gays “. Which clearly is not accurate.

It is ALL religions that stood against homosexuality.
THIS IS MOST UNFORTUNATE.

In the midst of all these, we learnt of the “hidden agenda”" of the Old Exco to promote, albeit very subtly, the pro-gay agenda via its cse programme in schools.

Sad that it has to be a fiasco such as this to bring it to light.

I do not support Gu Li Su’s assertion that the new Exco should step down although I wish they had managed their “PR” better than keeping quiet and allowing the media to arouse more specualtions and create more distrust in amongst its readers. They should explain themselves clearly upfront and not allow speculations to take root.

ONG T H

Nice note by Dr Gwee, thanks for bringing up to our attention, TOC. Though you missed an ‘i’ in her name after ‘Facebook note one’.

Peace, I don’t want to comment on what you’ve said but I thought you should just have the courtesy to spell her name correctly… Don’t quite see how you can typo it considering Q and G are pretty far apart on the keyboard…

I appreciate the clarion call to your brothers and sisters in Christ to act sensibly in this cunning game of stealth, subversion, infiltration, etc, ostensibly for the coup of AWARE to address certain concern on homosexuality. The exco’s church even came out to say they are not anti-gay but God has drawn a line. All these Christians are hypocrites to the core. Perhaps it is high time to remind them what ex-President George Bush says “If you are not with us, you are against us.” There are no two ways about it. The Church and the members involved have created in the mind of Singaporeans a deep hatred of Christians with their unsavoury and unethical coup de’tat of AWARE.

I am an agnotics and NOT a AWARE member and absolutely have no interest in the old and new AWARE at all. I am just a commoner reading the news and paying some interest on the ongoing saga. Over the years, many relatives, colleagues, friends, etc, preach to me the virtue of Christ to convert me to believe in HIM, telling me all the miracles and goodness Christ had done for the world. I even journeyed to Israel to visit the holy places where Christ was born and crucified to see for myself the goodnes done by Christ. I also learned that only 1% Israeli are Christians which surprises me.

The episode of AWARE may provide some answers and made me think otherwise now. I now believe not all Christians are good people. They can also sabotage and depose you and not according to what Bible says. Your message is an eye opener and I would resist all the fervour and zeal of Christian brothers/sisters preaching and trying to convert me. The truth is now out in the open for all to see. I salute you for the stand you have taken to the extent of being ostracised by your brothers/sisters in Christ. You are indeed doing a wonderful job to appeal to your own kind. Cheers!

Under the Old Guards, the AWARE membership hovers around 300, AGMs are
attended by about 40 to 50 members. This is a very poor
representation of Singapore’s Women. It is a very poor performance for an organisation considering that AWARE has been around for about 25 years. Yet AWARE has the temerity to
conduct sex education at a national level. Through its Comprehensive
Sexuality Education programme, it is imparting wrong values about
sexuality to the sons and daughters of Singapore’s women. With the
resources allocated to them and the authorities they command, they
have not solved many issues important to women – STDs/HIVs cases,
teenage pregnancies, teenage abortions, girl gangsterism, divorce,
alcoholics, drug abuse, drug trafficking – these are all on the rise.
They have betrayed the trust we have placed in them. Not surprisingly,
some women decide to stand up to change things for the better. The Old
Guards reacted predictably over this. They cast suspicions on the new
members of the exco and demonise them on the basis of their religion.
They gather support to call an EOGM to pass a vote of no confidence on
the new exco citing two reasons:

1. the way the new members got themselves elected to the exco
2. their perception of the new members

It is ridiculous that while the Old Guards have been given so many years
to prove themselves but failed, are calling a vote of no
confidence on the New Guards who have not been given a chance to prove
their worth. Basically, members are asked to judge the New Guards
based on what the Old Guards think of them. That is all there is to it in the vote of no confidence.

Look at the way the Old Guards now go about recruiting new members and
encouraging them to attend the EOGM, offline and online. They have
even worked out how to seat their supporters and who should say what
on the day of the EOGM. How meticulous! If only they have put such
zeal to their work in the past. It goes to show that they are working
for themselves, not the women of Singapore. Its only when they want to
gain back the offices they have lost that they reach out to the women
of Singapore. Before that they were contented with the constant small
number of members and the constant small number of attendees in AGM.

AWARE is about Women, Women and Women, not religion. It has nothing to do with religion. Don’t be misled into believing
that the issue is religion. This is only being used by the Old Guards to demonise the New Guards. The women who stand up to change AWARE do
so because they are women, not because they are religious. They are
concerned about how AWARE is going astray. They want to put AWARE on
the right path, to concentrate on serving the women of Singapore. They could have chosen to ignore it or tolerate it but they choose the most difficult and challenging option i.e. to change it. For this, they deserve all the encouragement and support we can give. What they have achieved is
one small step for a small group of women but a giant leap in the fight against evil. It does not take a religious person or a Professor to know this. As Singapore becomes more open, cosmopolitan and global, its society
is more challenged by rotten values and decadence. Our civic
organisations and NGO’s should not blindly follow those in the West
but instead work to preserve the values which will maintain our
progress, stability, security, safety, health, etc..

A vote against the new exco is a vote on status quo i.e. same old
people running things the same old way and our society continues to rot.
A vote for the new exco is a vote on change for the better i.e. a new
beginning towards a better future, a better society.

The choice is yours. Vote wisely. The women of Singapore depends on
you. What the sons and daughters of Singapore learn about sexuality
in schools depend on you.

10) ONG T H on May 1st, 2009 2.36 pm

On the contrary, its not a perception – its a fact. Didn’t you see the interview with the Feminist Mentor? Didn’t you see the hilarious press conference given by Josie, Maureen et al?

But you are correct in that this has nothing to do with Christianity – which I am sure does not promote telling lies and backstabbing. I don’t see the acts done by the new exco is deviously gaining power and what they have done since (telling lies on TV) as being acceptable to any proper religion, wouldn’t you agree?

10) ONG T H on May 1st, 2009 2.36 pm

And the so-called pro-homo agenda. So far, no one, not even the mighty Feminist Mentor has been able to show where or how exactly (chapter and verse please and not some general statement), the CSE or any other program of the old AWARE promotes any lifestyle, alternate or otherwise.

I think someone very wise once told people not to bear false witness, and that is indeed good advice which we should take. It is sad to see lies being repeated so often as if repeating lies can make it the truth. Same tactic as weapons of mass destruction in Iraq.

Gwee Li Su is indeed a very brave person willing to stand against the herd and stand up for decency and reason.

Indeed many would have the misjudgement that the writer is writing under the guise of a Christian. I do not doubt for once as there are many Christians like that who do not hold a position of faith for fear that fighting for the truth will only serve to further disparage the very group they belong to. The mire of attack seems too colossal for them that taking an opposing view against their own fibre of belief becomes sadly the compromise. Academia retorts are often colourful and rhetorical but lacks the facts and substance to argue against issues enwrapped in electoral process, moral stance, religious beliefs, education materials etc etc, . There is no need for me to engage in another academia retort to further fuel the matter. My answer is simple… go into prayer and He will make straight the path for you.

But the LORD is with me as a dread warrior;
therefore my persecutors will stumble;
they will not overcome me.
They will be greatly shamed,
for they will not succeed.
Their eternal dishonor
will never be forgotten.
Jeremiah 20:11

“Blessed are those who are persecuted for righteousness’ sake, for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.
“Blessed are you when others revile you and persecute you and utter all kinds of evil against you falsely on my account. Rejoice and be glad, for your reward is great in heaven, for so they persecuted the prophets who were before you.
Matthew 5:10-12

“If the world hates you, know that it has hated me before it hated you. If you were of the world, the world would love you as its own; but because you are not of the world, but I chose you out of the world, therefore the world hates you. Remember the word that I said to you: ‘A servant is not greater than his master.’ If they persecuted me, they will also persecute you. If they kept my word, they will also keep yours.
John 15:18-20

CSE is an MOE’s issue, i cannot understand how some parents are talked into believing its Aware’s fault. now that MOE has made it stand, can these people “wake up”?

besides, being tolerant of gays lesbians, does not mean pro gay & lesbians. this goes to show this new Exco is just rousing public sentiments & stoking the fear for their selfish interests.

its not like Thio mobilise a takeover of Aware & at the same time highlight the gay issue (to MOE not Aware, don’t bark at the wrong tree) to the masses….

I’ve said it before,and i will say it again.

Its sickening to see parents blaming MOE and AWARE for trying to solve a problem that would not be there if all parents had been perfect in inculcation values.

Some children may want some actual facts to help them decide on what is wrong and right rather then just “Cos God Said So”

anyway, I don’t believe this is a “Christian” issue. Some individuals have simply twisted God’s word to suit their agenda. Let us not look badly upon Christians just because some of their brethren have acted negatively. Religion is not involved in this petty tussle, its up to us to not drag it in.

I don’t know if you have seen/read these:
http://voicethread.com/#q.b462206
http://voicethread.com/share/468061/
http://tampinescourt.blogspot.com/2009/04/has-moe-lost-its-mind.html

My 2-cents worth and perhaps a different worthwhile perspective;;WOMEN ARE THE TRUE CREATORS OF THE WORLD;through them are born kings,presidents,sages and great men and women;so knowing this can you look down on any women? Therefore my congratulations to the 2-groups of women who are at loggerheads tomorrow because you have woken-up an entire slumbering nation and singapore is never going to be same after this.Also my greatest respect for MS. GWEE LI SUI. its people like you who are the real CREATORS of the world.finally may i end with this verse from a buddhist meditation exercise;;;;MAY ALL MOTHERS SISTERS WIVES AND DAUGHTERS BE SAVE AND SOUND;;MAY ALL MOTHERS SISTERS WIVES AND DAUGHTERS BE MENTALLY HAPPY;;MAY ALL MOTHERS SISTERS WIVES AND DAUGHTERS BE PHYSICALLY HAPPY;;MAY ALL MOTHERS SISTERS WIVES AND DAUGHTERS TAKE GOOD CARE OF THEMSELVES HAPPILY.

it’s like TSM saying i cannot be gay because God says so. who gave her the mandate?

this is hilarious. check out what happened inside Aware office a day before the EGM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HvLMdcs_XN0

@Peace (#1), wow, your apparent change in stance is surprising, in a good way.

I’m fine with the parents taking up the issue with MOE, and perhaps forcing a Parliamentary debate on this. Dialogue rather than hijack was how the whole thing should have proceeded in the first place. But let’s restore AWARE to how it was before… it’s quite clear that Josie Lau etc. came in with a single purpose in mind, and are like fish out of the water as regards the other AWARE programmes. For everyone’s sake (including their own), I hope they take the initiative to resign.

HURRAY to the women of singapore— they have put the men to shame with their courage LETS CELIBRATE TOMORROW at suntec for deomocracy equality and freedom

Gwee Li Su says :

1 The current scenario is not one where we are being asked what our beliefs on certain issues are or whether Christianity and homosexuality are compatible or we are being mocked or discriminated against. It is a simple context where a group of well-meaning Christians infiltrated a secular organisation in order to be in a position to dictate their own values in its daily running.

Nonsense! What were you smoking when you wrote this? The central issue is not about Christians INFILTRATING a secular organisation “in order to be in a position to dictate their own values in its daily running. ”

This is about the actions of a group of responsible parents who are appalled by an errant organisation which is preaching to our impressionable 12 year old children that anal sex is healthy in contravention the official MOE’s stance that gay anal sex is against the law, specially the Penal Code 377A and its ok for pubescent girls to experiment with each other’s bodies and it is wrong to address the man as a husband but a partner to please the gay student.

In case you have not seen Aware’s CSE training Guide please spend a few minutes to watch this here so that you can make an informed decision!

http://voicethread.com/#q.b468061.i2489061

If this is not a serious deviation from the MOE’s stance on family values why is that the MOE is now investigating this?

Majority of Singaporeans reject this indoctrination of our children that a gay lifestyle is healthy and that same sex marriage should be a norm in this country.

See the petition that has attracted nearly 2000 concerned parents to take a stand and sign up beofre sending it to the MOE.

http://www.ipetitions.com/petition/parents_sex_ed_appeal/index.html

2″Just as God gave every person free choice and the opportunity to believe, we ought to support the sanctity of this right for others to make up their own minds and live their own lives.”

In Singapore, in case you don’t know, gays are free to “make up their own minds and live their own lives ” but the law does not recognize same sex marriage and gay anal sex is a criminal offense under the Penal Code 377A.

If you have problem with this why don’t you take a stand against the govt?

3″Just as we do not force the Christian faith down someone’s throat against his or her will, we should not take over a non-religious organisation for the single purpose of making others unlike us behave as we believe.”

You are barking up the wrong tree, my friend. This is not about forcing the Christian faith down someone’s throat . It is about saving our children from an organisation which has lost it vision and is corrupting the minds of our young children with donations from a Trust Fund and certain quarters that accept same sex marriage and welcome LGBTs. See Link here :

http://www.todayonline.com/articles/317322print.asp

4 “Support the new ex-co, and you are effectively saying that you condone its quasi-corporate act of infiltration, with related strategies of secrecy, disinformation, moral coercion, and fear-mongering. ”

Nonsense. The new exco won the democratically held elections fair and square.

If there is any fear-mongering it is you who is mixing politics with religion which can explode up like a high octane mixture.

If the old guards were complacent and asleep at the switch they deserved to lose the elections.

All this sound and fury would not have happened without the poor loser old guard asking for an EGM, with recruits of new members, the same ploy which you said amounted to a strategy of secrecy and infiltration when it was done by the new exco but seems to be completely acceptable when it came to the old guards. Why the double standards?

Dear Dr.Gwee,

As a christian, I am embarassed by what you have written. You should go back and read your bible over and over again.

As a parent..I am disappointed that MOE did not screen through the materials promoted by the previous AWARE trainers.

For teaching 12 years old that anal sex is ok, you ought to go to HELL

10) ONG T H on May 1st, 2009 2.36 pm
13) singaaware on May 1st, 2009 3.55 pm
22) Curious on May 1st, 2009 8.58 pm

Wow, the 3 of you are doing extremely fine and put things in the right perspective.
I fully agree with all of you.

The new AWARE exco was voted in in accordance to the AWARE constitutions.

BTW, I am not a Christian and I am following the AWARE event in a very objective manner.

Very strange that DR Gwee Li Sui wrote this at this critical hour in such an emotional manner. Don,t you think the new ExCo deserve a chance to manage?. Strange that you used words like shock, angered, hijack, infiltrate…Had you used less emotional terms your article would have convinced me. But not now..there is something amiss wrong and strange about what yu wrote…,

I wonder if anyone can update live by tweetting???

I appologised for the extreme remarks ,I am not highly educated, Iam just angry and digusted. I have friends who are homosexual and heteroxual and I have seen them cry for what they are, and I sympathised with them, they wish they were normal. Their community is small and to find willing partners is a problem, hence some resorts to lure and corrupt the younger normals. At the tender age, it is quite common for some to develop likings for the same gender, this is a confusing stage for this youngster, we as adults should be guiding them towards the correct path, and not subject them to wrong instructions. Religion ,race , power are not the issue here and I believe the new Exco are doing this out of concerned of our children, OUR FUTURE.

Mr Gwee, i assume you read everything on the papers and so have i. Of all the papers i have read, not once have i heard the new exco mention that there are representing their church or the christian faith on this issue. Neither have they asked all christians to stand for it. The only comment i have read from one of the exco’s member is that as a parent she is appalled by what is being taught in schools.

>>So please, by all means, pray for the AWARE debacle to be resolved amicably and for Christians in AWARE, but do not, in the name of our common faith, go in blind support of other Christians because you are Christian!

Yes the issue is on homosexuality and yes the Christian faith does not believe in practising it but your article calling all christian women to not support it in blind faith is ridiculous because nowhere does the exco asks for support based on faith. Please read what is being written in the papers, measure what is being said and do not make blind assumptions. Your whole argument that they are doing in for a religious agenda is baseless.

I hope you as a bible fearing christian of 25 years understand the implications of what you are doing. I am a christian and i understand homosexuality is a sin but our battle is against the powers and principalities of this world and not flesh and blood. I don’t think there’s any need to rally other christians and cause divisions over this issue because the thought that other people are misled and are persecuting christians over this makes you uncomfortable. Be uncomfortable then. Jesus never said being a christian was easy. Being a human isn’t easy, just stick with it.

The exco isn’t perfect and they have made mistakes. Why can’t you give them a second chance instead of being so suspicious of their motives.

#22, #23, #24 What the new ex-co has done was to make non-Christians lose faith/trust in Christians. This makes it tougher for Christians to reach out to non-believers.

#22) Curious on May 1st, 2009 8.58 pm

You don’t give up peddling your lies and BS, do you? Let’s analyse your twisted comments :

“This is about the actions of a group of responsible parents”
Not all of them are parents – study your proxies carefully.

“who are appalled by an errant organisation which is preaching to our impressionable 12 year old children ”

Whew, pause for a moment to wipe the froth from your mouth, will ya? Talk about lies. Well, I suppose since Josie, Maureen and your great Feminist Furher have all shown that for them telling lies is as natural as breathing, I suppose we can’t expect any better from their underlings such as you.

“its ok for pubescent girls to experiment with each other’s bodies”

Lies, Lies and Damned Lies. But entirely befitting the kind of “religious” person you must claim to be.

“In case you have not seen Aware’s CSE training Guide please spend a few minutes to watch this here so that you can make an informed decision!:”

Most people have watched it, read it and made an informed decision which is that there is no such issue as you and your fellow sheep have been screeching so shrilly about.

“If this is not a serious deviation from the MOE’s stance on family values why is that the MOE is now investigating this?”

Sigh. Where is our mighty feminist mentor and why doesn’t she come out now? The MOE has said that there were no complaints. So immediately the complaints were orchestrated by these fanatics. So the MOE has investigated as they said they would if there was a complaint. And I hope the MOE prosecutes every last one of these fanatics who are bearing false witness when this is over.

“Majority of Singaporeans reject this indoctrination of our children that a gay lifestyle is healthy and that same sex marriage should be a norm in this country.”

No, the majority of Singaporeans reject the charlatans who are habitual liars and sneaks and their patsies such as you. Take a look round the blogosphere and see how pathetic the apologists for the new exco look.

“See the petition that has attracted nearly 2000 concerned parents to take a stand and sign up beofre sending it to the MOE.”

Wonder why all these parents suddenly get hot flushes at the same time when the program has been around for two years now. They must have been really concerned and following their children’s schoolwork assidiuously but coincidentally decided to complain only after the MOE released its report? Boy, the weed given to all the sheep in your place of worship (although I really wonder what you worship – the God of Liars?) must be strong stuff.

2″Just as God gave every person free choice and the opportunity to believe, we ought to support the sanctity of this right for others to make up their own minds and live their own lives.”

“In Singapore, in case you don’t know, gays are free to “make up their own minds and live their own lives ” but the law does not recognize same sex marriage and gay anal sex is a criminal offense under the Penal Code 377A.”
“If you have problem with this why don’t you take a stand against the govt?”

More pointless drivel from you. You aren’t even responding to the point raised by the writer and you are simply ranting pointlessly. Come on TOC, can we raise the standard of argument here?

3″Just as we do not force the Christian faith down someone’s throat against his or her will, we should not take over a non-religious organisation for the single purpose of making others unlike us behave as we believe.”

“You are barking up the wrong tree, my friend. This is not about forcing the Christian faith down someone’s throat . It is about saving our children from an organisation which has lost it vision and is corrupting the minds of our young children with donations from a Trust Fund and certain quarters that accept same sex marriage and welcome LGBTs. See Link here :

http://www.todayonline.com/articles/317322print.asp”

4 “Support the new ex-co, and you are effectively saying that you condone its quasi-corporate act of infiltration, with related strategies of secrecy, disinformation, moral coercion, and fear-mongering. ”

Exactly! Well said.

“All this sound and fury would not have happened without the poor loser old guard asking for an EGM, with recruits of new members, the same ploy which you said amounted to a strategy of secrecy and infiltration when it was done by the new exco but seems to be completely acceptable when it came to the old guards. Why the double standards?”

I wonder why I bother to try to tell you the truth when you are obviously a hack and an apologist but still I can’t let you again with a whopper of a lie like that. Josie and her Liars were sneaks. They infiltrated AWARE, hid their position like the cockroaches they are, seized power and only after public pressure and attempting to lie their way out, were they forced to come clean as to where they came from, how their actions were coordinated by their very (un)Feminist Mentor. And now when the old guard with the call for an EGM with the facts and their position clear (no secrecy here), you claim double standards? Its pathetic that Josie and the Liars have to whine and rely on hacks like you to defend the indefensible.

I believe owkwok is spewing crap. I have seen many christians being led astray by their pastors into hurting their non-christian friends. Just in the name of Him. This is crazy

I just wish to add that from what I had gathered via the internet, the
Trainers’Guide on the CSE is clear evidence of “subtle influence by the Old Aware”to promote pro-homosexual agenda via the schools and “corrupting” the minds of school children at an early age.

I would have no objections to them saying/suggesting that anal sex is “controversial” and that there are different views. But to suggest that it be regarded as “Neutral”is an endorsement of the view that it can be regarded as “normal”.

If I were a woman, and even if I were not a Christan, I would be sufficiently appalled at what the Old Aware had been doing and would have stood for elections to cause a change. Unfortunately, I am of the male gender !

Once again, the fact that the new Exco members are Christians DOES NOT mean that they will force thier Christian beliefs on anyone. It is NOT just Chrisitans who have a stand against Homosexuality, but all religions and even agnostics could well share this position. AND IT DOES NOT MEAN that Christians are against gays or lesbians. It is the practice that Christians have difficuities in accepting. NOT the persons.

Let’s hope that good sense will prevail and not allow emotions to cloud our thinking.

Can Ong check the dictionary what “neutral” means? Display some common sense please. We are not babies and we know what is right and wrong. We don’t need holier than thou christians forcing antigay, anti-abortion and anti-nonbelievers ideals on us. Better still, after slapping people, you still say that you have not slapped us. What lies are these?

Curious: ‘See the petition that has attracted nearly 2000 concerned parents to take a stand and sign up before sending it to the MOE.’

Question 1: when was the petition put up – before or after MOE contacted the ‘feminist mentor’, Dr Thio Su Mien, to give specifics of material promoting homosexuality & lesbianism in schools, etc?
Question 2: who put up the petition, is she a member of COOS, or a supporter of the new Ex-co?
Question 3: How come MOE had not received any complaints from ‘concerned parents’ before Dr Thio was requested to justify her statements?
Question 4: why didn’t Dr Thio, Josie Lau & co, if they are so concerned about AWARE’s CSE ,raise this issue before with AWARE or MOE?
Question 5: the 2000+ parents who signed, are they members of COOS, supporters of Josie Lau & co?

The timing of this petition is a very, very strange coincidence. Wonder if COOS sent out another email to its congregation to sign the petition to help justify what was said by the ‘feminist mentor’ and her cohorts.

3 points to correct some persons’ misconception here:

1. The mainstream teaching of Buddhism is that homosexuality is of the same spiritual and moral status as heterosexuality. In our pluralistic society, AWARE as a secular organisation should be neutral. AWARE should base its position on scientific consensus (e.g. mainstream psychological professional bodies and psychiatric bodies which state that homosexuality is normal condition even though only a small percentage of human population are homosexuals) and not side with Christianity, to be fair to Buddhism. I know this because I have attended a local major Buddhist Conference’s discussion on Buddhism and also have read various Buddhist scholars and monks’ written works on homosexuality. (btw, even Health Promotion Board’s educational material, when talking about lesbianism, states that being a lesbian “doesn’t make you less normal. Each human is unique, with different likes and dislikes”. (see HPB’s education material at not http://www.letstalkaboutsex.sg/women/sexuality_1.asp) This is the correct stance for all truly secular organisations.

Ong T H (post number 10) is mistaken to say that all religions have the same view against homosexuality.

2. Anal sex is already legal in Singapore when our government removed the law against anal sex.

3. Anal sex is practised by some heterosexuals too. Anal sex is not equivalent to gay sex. Some gays do not practise anal sex.

@31ONG TH

You should use the internet to get a decent definition of Neutral. Its means NEITHER okay/good/insert-antonym-for-positive NOR bad/insert-antonym-for-negative.

Honestly.. I have no issues with the Christians. I’m ignoring the whole religions angle. Its just some people twisting God’s Words to suit their agenda.

I object to any deliberate use of anybody religious background to further their own objectives and agenda.

Who started this whole issue? The old guards of AWARE after being kicked out.

I cannot but help wonder how would one feel when your colleagues in your office make use of your religious background to allege some kind of potential conspiracy behind your promotion in your career and demanded to know what is your agenda after your promotion to certain level. How would you feel?

Do note that the old Guard of AWARE say that it is a small part of the entire programme, what crap, small poison is still poison and little bit of poison still can kill, who are they kidding? Think we blind and stupid is it? Kind of insulting our intelligence that we are very stupid not to see through their counter arguments. Please don’t use small numbers to distract, deviate and cover up, we are not stupid.

Dear concerned citizens, take out all the noise and emotions, we perhaps just need to ask 2 basic questions, our final analysis and approach should then rightly fall in place:

(i) is AWARE now a cover for LGBT to set their foothold and advocacy e.g in the larger community, schools – yes/no/somewhat?
(ii) our belief and action as a majority conservative society; the message and choices we want our children to make? (what if the new AWARE are concerned Muslims instead triggered by the same core belief)

@31 ONG TH simply refuses to believe in dictionaries, only in the ‘truths’ told to him by his pastor.

i think dr thio is doing a good job. she’s a women of character. there’s nothing wrong with what shes doing. give her and her team more time to prove themselves.

To Tong LK
I think it would be preferred if we do not get personal !
Just to add, I have a mind of my own

http://www.todayonline.com/articles/317322.asp

Check this out: follow the paper trail and check out where the funding for the CSE comes from! A pro-gay, pro-LBGT church!

What happened to all the cries of separation of church and secular organizations by the old AWARE?

Or is that waived when it’s pro-gay?

Goodnight and good luck everybody,

I’ll see some of you tomorrow, though we probably won’t recognize it each.

It had been fun participating. It had been a nice tea party with some who came to hug my rainbow colored tree. It had been a good practice in attempting to understand what’s on the mind with people we disagree with, At the end of the day, everyone are more similar than we’ll ever admit. We’re all driven by Love for our kids and future kids. We’ll all driven by Fear for their future. We all are driven to act because we fear that our faith won’t be enough to preserve a better future for our children.

Well, it all comes down to tomorrow. Frankly I dunno what the outcome will be.

It sounds so silly sometimes, all those actions to take over AWARE. I wonder if Josie and co. are already regretting it. So what if they win tomorrow? What happens when the champagne toasting ends? What have they truly inherited? Do they really believe the laws of the corporate world will apply to the running of an NGO? Do they have any idea how little support they will find among the NGO community? How many people outside of their supporters will want to turn to AWARE for help? And how much can they manuveur now with everyone watching their every single move, to catch them if they so much as mention the ‘G’ word? Do they believe that the Old Guards will simply fade away into the shadows? Don’t they know that in NGOs, the people are the brand? All these actions, all these divisiveness.. all these waste of goodwill… over something anal… to take over a name that would mean NOTHING without the hearts of the people who poured their love into it.

So silly…

I thank God for sending this group of courageous women to help parents and society. I now fully understand why this group of brave women has to do the way they do, they don’t have a choice considering the bitchy tactics of the old guards of AWARE.

1 word – all religions have the same view against homosexuality = fallacy.

Pastors never lie. We all know this.

I see. I agree with your view yipeng. I apologise for being too emotional and intolerant. Maybe there is really one god after all.

42) Zefly (aka Joshua Chiang) on May 2nd, 2009 12.13 am

Thanks Zefly – its been fun although I keep complaining about these F_____ s being like cockroaches. Stamp on one and another crawls out. I’ll be there tomrw and whatever happens, we’ll at least have done our bit in telling the world about these evil ones. Fortunately they are dumb sheep – I mean, no complaints on the CSE for two years and suddenly a whole chorus of synchronised bleating – how fake can you get? Concerned Parents” – haha what a hoot! I laughed and laughed at this tactic – so badly planned that it’s funny.

Well, at least it ended on a funny note thanks to the sheep supporters. I’m out of here and won’t post anymore but its been a blast.
Cheers Zefly. May the force be with you.

i also thank God.

i thank God for sending this group of silly women to help us open our eyes. i now fully understand why this group of silly women has to do the way they do. they dont have a choice, considering they were groomed by the feminist mentor to use bitchy tactics against the old guards of AWARE.

copy from SingaporeChristiansOnline.com:-

SingaporeChristiansOnline.com takes a neutral stance in the current Aware leadership dispute and does not want to be involved. However, SingaporeChristiansOnline.com objects to the use of religious background of any person to further one’s objective and aims in our multi-religious and multi-ethnic Singapore.

http://www.singaporechristiansonline.com/christianforums/

seems that they are not supporting too.

anything about education go direst all quires to MOE. i think some people here got the LBGT so obsessed they will just complain to any organisation for the sake of complaining.

Aware in neutral to LBGTs, not pro or against. IMO, Aware’s approach is to promote dialogue, encourage parents to take a keener interest in their child/ren.

those ugly Sporean parents should be ashamed of themselves for being made used of to further another’s selfish goal & as a parent/s!!

We do not allow a rapist to teach his “agenda” to our school children because we do not believe that he was “born that way” or that he was “made that way”. So, why do we allow a gay to teach his agenda? or a lesbian to teach hers? or a child molester? or an animal “lover”? Why do we allow our attention to be diverted into perverted argument? The issue is not about NGOs, new or old guards, church or God, or the quality of journalism. We have all been subverted by the LGBTQ lobby. The issue is about ALL our children, not just Christian children, of Singapore.

quite silly that some of you choose to judge the whole program on the basis of 3 lines taken out of context, if everyone were to do that to religious text all of them would be render null a long time ago.

and Vincent Tan, the facts are there proven that quite a lot of motive has been going on basis of some ill informed ‘religous’ views in taking over Aware.

Again the case was never whether you were religious or not, it’s in adopting a form of beliefs is is very exclusivistic and wants to run those that don’t believe in them to the ground.

Pastors are human beings as well and human beings are not perfect and they DO SIN AND LIE!

44) parent & 46) Lyn,

The pastor may or may not have lied, but members of his flock did lie through their noses and he is supporting the lie without so much as a word to get them to repent and make up for the sin.

Imagine a child telling a lie to get hold of something he fancies which belongs to another child and the father of the first child does nothing to reprimand his child even though he sees this happening before his eyes? Imagine still, the same father telling his child’s friends to come to the defence of his dishonest child?

Those who cannot see the picture for what it is has really lost it. What values have we learnt from our parents and what values are we going to pass on to our children? The reason behind the act of stealing cannot justify the stealing, no matter how good a reason one may have. It’s as simple as that.

The turn up of Aware’s AGM on March was more than usual having ard 70++ new faces. Aware got ard 300++ members. So why didn’t these people came to support the old guard? Why need to recruit another 120 members to sign for a no-confidence motion when you can ask existing members?
When the new guard were voted in, where were the old Aware members? No one bothered what. Now being voted in, the new Aware seems to “hijack” Aware. Than now people said it’s a Christian thingy.
I don’t think only Christian shd step up, but mainly concerned parents who are worried about the CSE programme.

None of the Old guard came to apologise for the content of the CSE but kept covering up and find excuses to say MOE approved??? Why can’t they admit their mistakes and sit down with the new guard and work things through.

Aware is a secular organization, but have any other religion or organisation notice about the CSE programme except Lawyer Thio?
I’m glad she exposed this. I’m aware of the old aware now.

Whether you are christian or not, does not matter. It’s not about religion now. It;s the moral value that “certain pple” is trying to slowly inflitrate the mind of the next generation. Don”t regret if you make the wrong decision.

Gwee: Keep ur idea of ur religion to urself. So this is what u learn for the pass 25 yrs of bible reading. Is it the same version or only the content page?

singaaware-

now that MOE has decided to review the sex education – does it not mean the new AWARE aims have been met?

Should they not step down now?

Why did they sack Braema Mathi – who PAP supportsand have nomiated as an NMP?? This is so anti-christian – disrgarding her past contributions.

Now her work are under lock and key of New Aware office?

COOS should have a teen sex education package and pass it to MOE so MOE can use their materials – if they are good fr ALL OF SINGAPORE.

12 years old Anal sex – should go to hell?

woah – so eating shell fish and a lady talking out of place in church should also go to hell?

hmmmm…… SOME Christians make themselves look so silly…

some – not all,

“Parent on May 1st, 2009 11.59 pm i think dr thio is doing a good job. she’s a women of character. there’s nothing wrong with what shes doing. give her and her team more time to prove themselves.”

Dr Thio and her team? When did Dr Thio become a member of the ex-co? Was she elected? When? Another instance of the high-handedness of Josie Lau & her pussycats? They just co-opt anyone they like, and likewise sack anyone they like? Like the staff member who was sacked because she made a statement of fact – that Josie Lau was not elected, but APPOINTED.

I support how the old AWARE and MOE have approached sex education so far. It is objective and inclusive, not marginalising any student who may be different. It also helps “more normal” students understand and be more tolerant of other “minorities”. I would want my child to know what the real world is all about and not be an ostrich with his/her head in the sand. What kind of education would that be? The CSE presents facts and lets the attendees formulate their own convictions based on their personal upbringing, family values and personal beliefs/religion. The claims made in the petition by concerned parents have been taken quite out of context to incite fear.

If parents fear their children might be “veer off the norm”, then they should impart their beliefs, morals and convictions within the confines of their own family and religion. I do not want them to dictate how sex education be taught to my child, especially when what these parent are calling for is biased and not the full truth about the real world.

I would have agreed with Ong TH (#10) on his observations that we should not relate the stand against promotion of pro-homosexuality just because the new exco has christians. In other words, if someone from religion X, (or no particular religion) makes a move into the foray and states a certain position, I cannot claim that the entire argument is because of so and so having such a religious belief against those who don’t agree. I have to ask if there’s impact in a larger context.
The issue is clearly in the larger context of what SIGNALS and VALUES we want our next generation to acquire, especially from important channels like MOE and AWARE. I have no issues with diversity of views, but I agree wiith Linda (#55) that concerned parents should step up. Calling for diversity of views without looking at entire context, including a moral (or amoral) one is an extremely shallow argument.

Frankly speaking, in real life I am not so against the homosexual or les as most of them are in fact well behaving, gentle and kind fellow. In real life, i am more scared of fanatics christian trying to convert me.

So far, i have “lost” 3 friends as they have unsuccessful trying to “save” me. And after the failure, they never even attempt to “friend ” me anymore, even i called them. Just forever MIA. haha. so much so for the friendship.

58) smallvice585

Who allege that ” fellow Christians who want to impose the values and views of the Christian Right Movement on everyone”? Did the new exco says so or the old guard insinuate such ulterior motives or the newspapers hinted at such motives?

Let say I accuse you that based on religious belief and background that you want to impose your values and views on certain projects right after you are promoted or elected to a certain position without you been given a chance to set out agenda or direction, is it fair that you are condemned by your religious background?

Compare what the old guards have proven in their sexual education programme. The evidence speaks loud and clear and undeniable while all others are just allegations and accusations on new exco, obviously very bitchy tactics by old guards of Aware.

By the way, the statement by SingaporeChristiansOnline.com is a very PR statement that can be put by any religious groups. To see hidden daggers in such a PR statement shows your inner heart.

33) Scherzerade on May 1st, 2009 11.23 pm

‘Question 1: when was the petition put up – before or after MOE contacted the ‘feminist mentor’, Dr Thio Su Mien, to give specifics of material promoting homosexuality & lesbianism in schools, etc?’

After the petition initiator Mdm K F Khoo found out about the alleged perverted CSE. Her petition has now received over 2520 signatures:

http://www.ipetitions.com/petition/parents_sex_ed_appeal/index.html

“Question 2: who put up the petition, is she a member of COOS, or a supporter of the new Ex-co?”

Mdm KF Khoo. Is she a member of COOS? I don’t know. I she a supporter of the new exco? Why not ask her yourself in her website?

“Question 3: How come MOE had not received any complaints from ‘concerned parents’ before Dr Thio was requested to justify her statements?”

Because they were all in the dark about the alleged perverted CSE program. They were not in the loop! How to complain when you are kept in the dark?

“Question 4: why didn’t Dr Thio, Josie Lau & co, if they are so concerned about AWARE’s CSE ,raise this issue before with AWARE or MOE?”

This is because the impossible (get into AWARE’s exco) they did immediately but raising the alleged perverted CSE issues took a little longer as they need to sift out more facts and other legal issue before they took action.

“Question 5: the 2000+ parents who signed, are they members of COOS, supporters of Josie Lau & co?”

This is hard to know as they don’t reveal their affliiations. I think many are very concerned parents!

“The timing of this petition is a very, very strange coincidence.”

If you feel strongly about some societal issues I am sure you will get off your butt and do the same or are you so apathetic?

” Wonder if COOS sent out another email to its congregation to sign the petition to help justify what was said by the ‘feminist mentor’ and her cohorts.”

That you have to ask the pastor.

57) Scherzerade on May 2nd, 2009 10.03 am

“Dr Thio and her team? When did Dr Thio become a member of the ex-co?” Was she elected? When? ”

Who said she was? When a coach says this is my soccer team, does it mean she/he also a player? Please think before you ask a silly question in anger.

“Josie Lau was not elected, but APPOINTED.”

When Clare resigned as president after 11 days what do you think the new exco should do? Sit on their hands and cry? They nominated Josie to be the president. Is this not legal under AWARE’s constitution?

If you think it was not legal why don’t you seek legal counsel and take the case to the high court, if you are a member!

For your info, Josie was nominated for exco membership ONLY at the last AGM by Mrs Clare Nazar, who was in turn nominated for president by Constance Singam.

Clare was voted in as president of AWARE and Mrs Singam was delighted ! Josie was elected a member of Clare’s exco. It shows that the new members were not there to take over AWARE.

Mrs Singam’s candidate was elected president at the last AGM. That was not a coup by the new members as some like to falsely spread the rumor.

Josie did not ask to be president of AWARE. She stepped into the position after Clare resigned as president after 11 days in office! So why blame Josie ?

The old guards only made noise and asked for the EGM only after Josie became president. Why the double standard?

Get your facts right first and stop being so angry. It is not good for the blood pressure!

After reading so much about this subject, I am actually no nearer to understanding the issue.

But I like to point out that Dr Chee took over Mr Chiam See Tong’s Democratic association (they prefer to call it Party) and got nowhere.

Today Chiam See Tong is still serving his constituents and Dr Chee is still not an MP.

On the issue of homosexuality, somehow I have always believed that a person is homosexual because he is homosexual and not because he a heterosexual turned homosexual because someone persuades him to feel homosexual is such a great lifestyle.

If this DR Gwee is so sincere, he should just write to Josie Lau instead of flaunting this letter and all of Christianity flaws in public.

I was at the AGM and there were a few appalling things happening. Firstly, the vocal majority in this case were the lesbians and homosexuals and they did impose their views very vehemently on everyone else. Secondly, experienced people were sacked or removed from office for very little reason and thirdly the new exco spend too much money on what i thought was a big ra-ra for a lot of hippies.

And not surprising, everyone kept diverting the topic back to 3 issues. 1)homosexuality, 2)90,000 worth of funds and 3)why people were removed. There were other questions raised, women for women, how lesbians and butches should be included in AWARE, how trannies should be included in AWARE now that they are female.

The letter above has a lot of stuff i don’t agree with but if there is one thing i agree on is that the new exco should quit. Now that they have and if they were for a pro-family, pro-woman’s organisation, they should start their own. It is just too much trouble, AWARE is too messy.

ANAL SEX IS HEALTHY. If you find this statement uncomfortable, you better get used to it . The old guards have taken Power of AWARE. Shitty business.

so officially AWARE old guards are Peddlers of Filth.

so the old guards of AWARE are so readily to PLAY the ” Religion Card” to take back Power. First they attacked those who are Christians , then next they will attacked the Buddhists and Muslims. Next they will Play the “Race Card” , chinese are hated by a Malay Muslims lady , supporter of the old guards during EGM.

If you noticed, DR Gwee did not disagress with the CSE program perversely teaching children that anal sex is healthy, Homosexuals is perfectly normal, pre-marital sex is okay etc… In his silence to this perverse teachings promoted by the old guards and his one sided diversion attack on the new exco, and never mind his claim to be a christian for 25 years, any sensible thinking person can figure out who he really is and stands for,

Dear Wasthere,

It sounds like you weren’t there.

Luckily, I was there. It is a gross defamation on your part to say that the vocal majority were lesbians and homosexuals. Women from young to old, different faiths, racial and social backgrounds came forward to stand up for what they see as a Gross breach of trust and moral conduct on the part of Ms Lau’s team. If you were there you would have realised that most people are perturbed by the way the new team were legally, but not democratically elected. Not democratically because democracy requires stakeholders to cast their say and votes for the society’s mission and purpose of being to be carried out. All the new ex-co members and their supporters joined Aware ‘coincidentally’ a few months before the EGM, and surprisingly mostly from the same church (though none of them knew each other.) They have never been all the hard work Aware has put in nor had they served nor volunteered. They are simply not stakeholders in Aware. How would you feel if a huge bunch of people overrun your church and cast your committee out by joining a few months ago as members, and proceed to set a different agenda? Be fair. If I disagree with you, I take it up in a civil manner of discourse or debates, but not by taking advantage of a weak constitution.

It’s Constance Singam’s question again – where were these new ‘feminists’ when they started advocating women’s rights in Singapore? Why did they kept quiet about so many questions? Why did they install CCTV in a place where abused and traumatised women came to seek help? Why did they allow their husbands to lounge in a place where abused women come to as a sanctuary? Why did they sack longtime workers and volunteers on flimsy reasons that would not even pass in a corporation? Why do they know almost NOTHING of the operations of AWARE? Why, when asked if they even know what CEDAW is, kept quiet? Why do they defer endlessly to their legal counsel the moment they are pressed for finer points of their agenda and take on many many issues besides the money, homosexuality? AND why don’t they just set up a COOS Christian Women’s Organisation instead of inflitrating this way, usurp premises and squandered funds that are painstakingly collected over the years?

And by the way, AWARE is a women’s organisation. Anyone regardless of sexual orientation, as long as they are women, are part of the organisation. Homophobia has no place here.

I was there and i was being fair. I did mentioned that experienced staff were sacked or removed from office for very little reason. I am also fair to say that the vocal majority there were lesbians and homosexuals. They were vocal. If lesbians and homosexuals were so proudly flaunting their sexuality and could admit it there, why can’t you let me tell it as it is over here in this forum. I do agree they spend a lot of money too on something that they didn’t have to, so you don’t need to repeat my point. I also did mention everyone wanted to be in AWARE regardless of sexual orientation so i don’t know what is your point really. The difference is you call it a women’s organisation and i call it a ‘everyone’s’ organisation. Free loving bro.

To be fairer, just like to highlight that anal sex is taught as being permitted now in the Comprehensive Sexuality Education and that kids are told in this guide that they should put a condom over their sex toys. So if your kid comes home from a school that teaches it and asking to put a condom over Bunny, tell them, ‘its a tad bit hard to darling’. Haha.

I digree. You don’t even know if i am from a church, you just assume i am from one because your mindset is that its the christians against the gay issue again.
There you go making assumptions. Like how you assume i wasn’t there. Or how AWARE assumes all our kids like being taught sexual stuff like that in school. Did you ever ask me if i was from a church? Why did you not ask me if i am Muslim or Indian or Hindu? Or are christians your targeted group? Just keep the christians out of your ‘everyone’s’ organisation if you wish.

As for all your other comments and questions, i am not the new exco, please do not address your questions to me or ask me for a justification. I believed they have resigned and so you have no one to vent or hurl your accusations at but that’s not really my problem.

I was there and i have my opinion about it, so just as much as you do not like me to tell you what i think about your opinion, don’t impose your views on me. I didn’t vote but after seeing all the unruly behavior there, i wish i did now.

Wasthere.

Apologies for assuming you are from a church. You are right on that I shouldn’t have.

But to say that the vocal majority are lesbian or homosexual is very wrong. Lots of heterosexuals were making themselves heard, and most of the questions are asked by the heterosexuals. As for the shouting, chanting and booing, almost everyone who is not in a red T shirt is doing so. Will you say that those who are not in red are homosexuals? I hope not.

As for the sexual education issue, this does not justify such a takeover. If they do not agree, there are many other ways they could have voiced it. The manner in which they have taken over AWARE is why so many people are queuing to vote against them. I may not agree with the agenda of many organisations today, but I do not go around trying to shut them down as long as they leave me alone.

The questions are not directed at you – I listed them as they are questions that are asked and which the ex-co sidestep because they cannot answer them, or conveniently refer them to their legal counsel. This is just to remind everyone that there’s a lot more to the meeting than what you have mentioned.

Please note that that I am not trying to impose my views on you, unless you see posting as an imposition. If I have come across as too angry, I apologise.

yes, the red shirt says ‘PRO WOMAN’ – which woman i wonder. betta they go set up their own organisation to be pro WOMAN, or pro FM oso can.

To: eh, it is PRO-christians

To those christians who are supporters of josie lau and Thiology:

Put yourself in other people’s shoe, will you be happy if someone say that being a christian is wrong, unnatural and sinful and is defying Our God’s will? Just because your christian bible says so doesn’t mean the whole nation have to take extra caution not to step over the line which your God draw. Who do you think you are to decide who can’t cross the line?

And your Derek Hong, he said that the bible is in black and white, written by who?Who can prove that the bible teachings are not distorted along the way?Did God even write those things with his own hands?Or it was written by the early christians to create beliefs for people who wish to believe?Anything can happen along the way and who are you to say that every single thing in the bible could be taken literally?If you truly think that your God is great, please stay within your christian zone and stop bugging the non-believers.

SingingBird. the bible is in black and white.. literally. think these ppl betta off in a quaker community.

and Wasthere – ya, wonder why those women never think of starting their own in the first place instead of dragging everyone through this? matyrdom? self sacrifice? self flagellation?

For a list of disparities between the actual CSE and Aware’s CSE Trainer doc, go check out what voice0freason wrote.
http://comment.straitstimes.com/showthread.php?t=19461&page=28

Aware is definitely up to no good. No good at all.

81) duh

go read the news properly. aware never said that they didn’t state all the points listed. in fact they said they did! wat’s wrong with neutrality for these terms? and anal sex is definitely healthy – no kids, no abortions, no unnecessary humans to propagate bigoted ideas and it’s good for keeping ice caps and maintaining the rainforests.

i have to say it again, for all the tirade all these ‘concerned parents’ have against sex and sex education, there is a very unnatural obsession in the details of what other people do in their bedrooms here. and u guys keep posting it on every other forum all the details, by now even children who have never heard of anal sex would have seen your postings everywhere.

anal sex healthy or not, painful or not, right or not. i think some people here just devote too much time on that subject, like the brain is stuck there. muahaa….

a healthy mind enhances a healthy body, thinking about anal sex (even if its unhealthy, painful & wrong) too much is unhealthy.

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