a healthy mind enhances a healthy body, thinking about anal sex (even if its unhealthy, painful & wrong) too much is unhealthy.

go read the news properly. aware never said that they didn’t state all the points listed. in fact they said they did! wat’s wrong with neutrality for these terms? and anal sex is definitely healthy – no kids, no abortions, no unnecessary humans to propagate bigoted ideas and it’s good for keeping ice caps and maintaining the rainforests.

i have to say it again, for all the tirade all these ‘concerned parents’ have against sex and sex education, there is a very unnatural obsession in the details of what other people do in their bedrooms here. and u guys keep posting it on every other forum all the details, by now even children who have never heard of anal sex would have seen your postings everywhere.

Aware is definitely up to no good. No good at all.

and Wasthere – ya, wonder why those women never think of starting their own in the first place instead of dragging everyone through this? matyrdom? self sacrifice? self flagellation?

To those christians who are supporters of josie lau and Thiology:

Put yourself in other people’s shoe, will you be happy if someone say that being a christian is wrong, unnatural and sinful and is defying Our God’s will? Just because your christian bible says so doesn’t mean the whole nation have to take extra caution not to step over the line which your God draw. Who do you think you are to decide who can’t cross the line?

And your Derek Hong, he said that the bible is in black and white, written by who?Who can prove that the bible teachings are not distorted along the way?Did God even write those things with his own hands?Or it was written by the early christians to create beliefs for people who wish to believe?Anything can happen along the way and who are you to say that every single thing in the bible could be taken literally?If you truly think that your God is great, please stay within your christian zone and stop bugging the non-believers.

Apologies for assuming you are from a church. You are right on that I shouldn’t have.

But to say that the vocal majority are lesbian or homosexual is very wrong. Lots of heterosexuals were making themselves heard, and most of the questions are asked by the heterosexuals. As for the shouting, chanting and booing, almost everyone who is not in a red T shirt is doing so. Will you say that those who are not in red are homosexuals? I hope not.

As for the sexual education issue, this does not justify such a takeover. If they do not agree, there are many other ways they could have voiced it. The manner in which they have taken over AWARE is why so many people are queuing to vote against them. I may not agree with the agenda of many organisations today, but I do not go around trying to shut them down as long as they leave me alone.

The questions are not directed at you – I listed them as they are questions that are asked and which the ex-co sidestep because they cannot answer them, or conveniently refer them to their legal counsel. This is just to remind everyone that there’s a lot more to the meeting than what you have mentioned.

Please note that that I am not trying to impose my views on you, unless you see posting as an imposition. If I have come across as too angry, I apologise.

To be fairer, just like to highlight that anal sex is taught as being permitted now in the Comprehensive Sexuality Education and that kids are told in this guide that they should put a condom over their sex toys. So if your kid comes home from a school that teaches it and asking to put a condom over Bunny, tell them, ‘its a tad bit hard to darling’. Haha.

I digree. You don’t even know if i am from a church, you just assume i am from one because your mindset is that its the christians against the gay issue again.
There you go making assumptions. Like how you assume i wasn’t there. Or how AWARE assumes all our kids like being taught sexual stuff like that in school. Did you ever ask me if i was from a church? Why did you not ask me if i am Muslim or Indian or Hindu? Or are christians your targeted group? Just keep the christians out of your ‘everyone’s’ organisation if you wish.

As for all your other comments and questions, i am not the new exco, please do not address your questions to me or ask me for a justification. I believed they have resigned and so you have no one to vent or hurl your accusations at but that’s not really my problem.

I was there and i have my opinion about it, so just as much as you do not like me to tell you what i think about your opinion, don’t impose your views on me. I didn’t vote but after seeing all the unruly behavior there, i wish i did now.

It sounds like you weren’t there.

Luckily, I was there. It is a gross defamation on your part to say that the vocal majority were lesbians and homosexuals. Women from young to old, different faiths, racial and social backgrounds came forward to stand up for what they see as a Gross breach of trust and moral conduct on the part of Ms Lau’s team. If you were there you would have realised that most people are perturbed by the way the new team were legally, but not democratically elected. Not democratically because democracy requires stakeholders to cast their say and votes for the society’s mission and purpose of being to be carried out. All the new ex-co members and their supporters joined Aware ‘coincidentally’ a few months before the EGM, and surprisingly mostly from the same church (though none of them knew each other.) They have never been all the hard work Aware has put in nor had they served nor volunteered. They are simply not stakeholders in Aware. How would you feel if a huge bunch of people overrun your church and cast your committee out by joining a few months ago as members, and proceed to set a different agenda? Be fair. If I disagree with you, I take it up in a civil manner of discourse or debates, but not by taking advantage of a weak constitution.

It’s Constance Singam’s question again – where were these new ‘feminists’ when they started advocating women’s rights in Singapore? Why did they kept quiet about so many questions? Why did they install CCTV in a place where abused and traumatised women came to seek help? Why did they allow their husbands to lounge in a place where abused women come to as a sanctuary? Why did they sack longtime workers and volunteers on flimsy reasons that would not even pass in a corporation? Why do they know almost NOTHING of the operations of AWARE? Why, when asked if they even know what CEDAW is, kept quiet? Why do they defer endlessly to their legal counsel the moment they are pressed for finer points of their agenda and take on many many issues besides the money, homosexuality? AND why don’t they just set up a COOS Christian Women’s Organisation instead of inflitrating this way, usurp premises and squandered funds that are painstakingly collected over the years?

And by the way, AWARE is a women’s organisation. Anyone regardless of sexual orientation, as long as they are women, are part of the organisation. Homophobia has no place here.

so officially AWARE old guards are Peddlers of Filth.

And not surprising, everyone kept diverting the topic back to 3 issues. 1)homosexuality, 2)90,000 worth of funds and 3)why people were removed. There were other questions raised, women for women, how lesbians and butches should be included in AWARE, how trannies should be included in AWARE now that they are female.

The letter above has a lot of stuff i don’t agree with but if there is one thing i agree on is that the new exco should quit. Now that they have and if they were for a pro-family, pro-woman’s organisation, they should start their own. It is just too much trouble, AWARE is too messy.

But I like to point out that Dr Chee took over Mr Chiam See Tong’s Democratic association (they prefer to call it Party) and got nowhere.

Today Chiam See Tong is still serving his constituents and Dr Chee is still not an MP.

On the issue of homosexuality, somehow I have always believed that a person is homosexual because he is homosexual and not because he a heterosexual turned homosexual because someone persuades him to feel homosexual is such a great lifestyle.

‘Question 1: when was the petition put up – before or after MOE contacted the ‘feminist mentor’, Dr Thio Su Mien, to give specifics of material promoting homosexuality & lesbianism in schools, etc?’

After the petition initiator Mdm K F Khoo found out about the alleged perverted CSE. Her petition has now received over 2520 signatures:

http://www.ipetitions.com/petition/parents_sex_ed_appeal/index.html

“Question 2: who put up the petition, is she a member of COOS, or a supporter of the new Ex-co?”

Mdm KF Khoo. Is she a member of COOS? I don’t know. I she a supporter of the new exco? Why not ask her yourself in her website?

“Question 3: How come MOE had not received any complaints from ‘concerned parents’ before Dr Thio was requested to justify her statements?”

Because they were all in the dark about the alleged perverted CSE program. They were not in the loop! How to complain when you are kept in the dark?

“Question 4: why didn’t Dr Thio, Josie Lau & co, if they are so concerned about AWARE’s CSE ,raise this issue before with AWARE or MOE?”

This is because the impossible (get into AWARE’s exco) they did immediately but raising the alleged perverted CSE issues took a little longer as they need to sift out more facts and other legal issue before they took action.

“Question 5: the 2000+ parents who signed, are they members of COOS, supporters of Josie Lau & co?”

This is hard to know as they don’t reveal their affliiations. I think many are very concerned parents!

“The timing of this petition is a very, very strange coincidence.”

If you feel strongly about some societal issues I am sure you will get off your butt and do the same or are you so apathetic?

” Wonder if COOS sent out another email to its congregation to sign the petition to help justify what was said by the ‘feminist mentor’ and her cohorts.”

That you have to ask the pastor.

57) Scherzerade on May 2nd, 2009 10.03 am

“Dr Thio and her team? When did Dr Thio become a member of the ex-co?” Was she elected? When? ”

Who said she was? When a coach says this is my soccer team, does it mean she/he also a player? Please think before you ask a silly question in anger.

“Josie Lau was not elected, but APPOINTED.”

When Clare resigned as president after 11 days what do you think the new exco should do? Sit on their hands and cry? They nominated Josie to be the president. Is this not legal under AWARE’s constitution?

If you think it was not legal why don’t you seek legal counsel and take the case to the high court, if you are a member!

For your info, Josie was nominated for exco membership ONLY at the last AGM by Mrs Clare Nazar, who was in turn nominated for president by Constance Singam.

Clare was voted in as president of AWARE and Mrs Singam was delighted ! Josie was elected a member of Clare’s exco. It shows that the new members were not there to take over AWARE.

Mrs Singam’s candidate was elected president at the last AGM. That was not a coup by the new members as some like to falsely spread the rumor.

Josie did not ask to be president of AWARE. She stepped into the position after Clare resigned as president after 11 days in office! So why blame Josie ?

The old guards only made noise and asked for the EGM only after Josie became president. Why the double standard?

Get your facts right first and stop being so angry. It is not good for the blood pressure!

Who allege that ” fellow Christians who want to impose the values and views of the Christian Right Movement on everyone”? Did the new exco says so or the old guard insinuate such ulterior motives or the newspapers hinted at such motives?

Let say I accuse you that based on religious belief and background that you want to impose your values and views on certain projects right after you are promoted or elected to a certain position without you been given a chance to set out agenda or direction, is it fair that you are condemned by your religious background?

Compare what the old guards have proven in their sexual education programme. The evidence speaks loud and clear and undeniable while all others are just allegations and accusations on new exco, obviously very bitchy tactics by old guards of Aware.

By the way, the statement by SingaporeChristiansOnline.com is a very PR statement that can be put by any religious groups. To see hidden daggers in such a PR statement shows your inner heart.

So far, i have “lost” 3 friends as they have unsuccessful trying to “save” me. And after the failure, they never even attempt to “friend ” me anymore, even i called them. Just forever MIA. haha. so much so for the friendship.