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		<title>By: KopitiamApek</title>
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		<dc:creator>KopitiamApek</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Jun 2009 14:06:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>6) observer 

/// It appears the world is .... depleting of the human race through non-reproduction. ///

those who can will live on, 
Darwin&#039;s Law of Evolution by Natural Selection</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>6) observer </p>
<p>/// It appears the world is &#8230;. depleting of the human race through non-reproduction. ///</p>
<p>those who can will live on,<br />
Darwin&#8217;s Law of Evolution by Natural Selection</p>
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		<title>By: A Tan</title>
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		<dc:creator>A Tan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 May 2009 01:46:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I was going to say that this is an example of the rich talking when they shouldn&#039;t.

Those of us who are well-off shld shut up on welfare for the poor. 

But having realised that he is in MM&#039;s constituency,  I defend his right to make this comment. 

Looking affer his ward must be very difficult. Any oldie could be trusted comrade of MM in the struggle agaist Brits, communists. Any young person could be son or granddaughter of MM’s comrade. 

What happens if trusted Comtrade tells MM that Sam Tan is useless. And MM investigates and finds it true. 

No Sam Tan is not mollycoddled.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was going to say that this is an example of the rich talking when they shouldn&#8217;t.</p>
<p>Those of us who are well-off shld shut up on welfare for the poor. </p>
<p>But having realised that he is in MM&#8217;s constituency,  I defend his right to make this comment. </p>
<p>Looking affer his ward must be very difficult. Any oldie could be trusted comrade of MM in the struggle agaist Brits, communists. Any young person could be son or granddaughter of MM’s comrade. </p>
<p>What happens if trusted Comtrade tells MM that Sam Tan is useless. And MM investigates and finds it true. </p>
<p>No Sam Tan is not mollycoddled.</p>
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		<title>By: SZ</title>
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		<dc:creator>SZ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 May 2009 04:18:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Another fiaso that shows how out-of-touch some of them are....and some of them happens to be the understatement</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Another fiaso that shows how out-of-touch some of them are&#8230;.and some of them happens to be the understatement</p>
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		<title>By: we are in for the short term (also long term)</title>
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		<dc:creator>we are in for the short term (also long term)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 May 2009 01:18:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>10) Daniel on May 26th, 2009 9.03 am 

Please do not make fun of them. Else, they will need even more talented people  to come out with even more fantastic reasoning to counter yours. 

We need to learn the following terms so that you never go wrong in any financial arguments.

1) Sell in the near or short term even making a loss = rebalacing portfolio or adjustment capitalizing in some emering market (any market will do as long as you can explain off the growth potential where there are always plentiful of data at both ends to pick).

2) Hold while equity falls in value = we are in a for the long term as there is no need to panic. Again, there will always be data at selective intervals to match your investment horizon.

Head I win, tail you lose.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>10) Daniel on May 26th, 2009 9.03 am </p>
<p>Please do not make fun of them. Else, they will need even more talented people  to come out with even more fantastic reasoning to counter yours. </p>
<p>We need to learn the following terms so that you never go wrong in any financial arguments.</p>
<p>1) Sell in the near or short term even making a loss = rebalacing portfolio or adjustment capitalizing in some emering market (any market will do as long as you can explain off the growth potential where there are always plentiful of data at both ends to pick).</p>
<p>2) Hold while equity falls in value = we are in a for the long term as there is no need to panic. Again, there will always be data at selective intervals to match your investment horizon.</p>
<p>Head I win, tail you lose.</p>
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		<title>By: Daniel</title>
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		<dc:creator>Daniel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 May 2009 01:08:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Whenever you ask the clowns to help lessen the financial burden during the inflation and rising cost, those clowns will find way to divert the issues such as delivering help will result in crutch mentality, unfiliality, complacency, dependency etc, but then aren&#039;t these the same clowns responsible for these high cost and burden in the first place  because they refuse to speak up for citizens in parliament to assist in easing financial burden.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Whenever you ask the clowns to help lessen the financial burden during the inflation and rising cost, those clowns will find way to divert the issues such as delivering help will result in crutch mentality, unfiliality, complacency, dependency etc, but then aren&#8217;t these the same clowns responsible for these high cost and burden in the first place  because they refuse to speak up for citizens in parliament to assist in easing financial burden.</p>
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		<title>By: aiyoyo</title>
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		<dc:creator>aiyoyo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 May 2009 01:07:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>aiyoyo

so what&#039;s the role of ELITEs then? (since they always high pay package)

aiyoyo</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>aiyoyo</p>
<p>so what&#8217;s the role of ELITEs then? (since they always high pay package)</p>
<p>aiyoyo</p>
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		<title>By: Daniel</title>
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		<dc:creator>Daniel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 May 2009 01:03:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Then don’t collect so much money from your people. If you collect people’s money, you have a duty to care for them. It is clear that the Govt is trying to shirk their responsibility and save the expense. They need the money for gambling (called investments) and pay themselves the millions.&quot;

So true.

Husband: Give me money so that I can keep family alive

wife: What are you going to do with it ?

Hus: I&#039;m going to make money. High risk, high return.

wife: I already give you my life saving but yet you lost it without accountability, now you still have the cheek to ask me for more. What are you doing with the money ? Last time, you make a bit of money and yet you didn&#039;t even return back my money saying that returning the money will make me deliver crutch mentality. What a excuse to say that return me the money will make me materialistic and greedy and develop complacency.

Hus: Just SHUT UP and give me the money. You don&#039;t have to know how I use the money. I&#039;m investing for long terms of 30 years even though I gamble and lost all the money you give me now.

Wife: Are you senile ? What long term are you talking about when the money already gone and gambled away ?

Hus: It&#039;s the bad luck, what to do, it happens. So SHUT UP. What do you know then ? It is just paper loss not actual loss. I&#039;m investing my  LUCK for a LONG TERM. What you need is a dose of bad husband ! Do you know Junta Ali in Burma kill his wife because the wife question him ? YOu are so lucky to have me as husband in Singapore taking care and invest long term for the future. So just shut up and give me your money. I promise you that this time I will gamble big and recoup all the loss, and I will mortage the house for the gambling stake. I don&#039;t believe my luck can be so bad this time. Anyway, if it is my bad luck then I&#039;m as NOBODY will take the rap. You can even ask the police to arrest NOBODY for being a useless husband.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Then don’t collect so much money from your people. If you collect people’s money, you have a duty to care for them. It is clear that the Govt is trying to shirk their responsibility and save the expense. They need the money for gambling (called investments) and pay themselves the millions.&#8221;</p>
<p>So true.</p>
<p>Husband: Give me money so that I can keep family alive</p>
<p>wife: What are you going to do with it ?</p>
<p>Hus: I&#8217;m going to make money. High risk, high return.</p>
<p>wife: I already give you my life saving but yet you lost it without accountability, now you still have the cheek to ask me for more. What are you doing with the money ? Last time, you make a bit of money and yet you didn&#8217;t even return back my money saying that returning the money will make me deliver crutch mentality. What a excuse to say that return me the money will make me materialistic and greedy and develop complacency.</p>
<p>Hus: Just SHUT UP and give me the money. You don&#8217;t have to know how I use the money. I&#8217;m investing for long terms of 30 years even though I gamble and lost all the money you give me now.</p>
<p>Wife: Are you senile ? What long term are you talking about when the money already gone and gambled away ?</p>
<p>Hus: It&#8217;s the bad luck, what to do, it happens. So SHUT UP. What do you know then ? It is just paper loss not actual loss. I&#8217;m investing my  LUCK for a LONG TERM. What you need is a dose of bad husband ! Do you know Junta Ali in Burma kill his wife because the wife question him ? YOu are so lucky to have me as husband in Singapore taking care and invest long term for the future. So just shut up and give me your money. I promise you that this time I will gamble big and recoup all the loss, and I will mortage the house for the gambling stake. I don&#8217;t believe my luck can be so bad this time. Anyway, if it is my bad luck then I&#8217;m as NOBODY will take the rap. You can even ask the police to arrest NOBODY for being a useless husband.</p>
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		<title>By: nickname</title>
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		<dc:creator>nickname</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 May 2009 23:50:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think we need to examine critically the claim that &#039;filial piety&#039; is a universal value. But what Sam Tan needs to do is take a few history lessons and realise that the issue here is how people are cared for in old age. It is not a moral issue. In early modern England (c15c on), the existence of the Poor Law, a decentralised social security system run at the level of the parish, meant that the duty of care for the aged poor lay with parish, funded by its wealthier members (who were liable for tax). This is due to the nature of family structure in early modern England, in which nuclear families were the norm, and where children left home at a young age to be apprentices or servants, and got married when they could afford to set up an independent household. 

In Confucian societies, the joint household model meant that many generations lived together. It means that children get married even before they reach economic independence, but it also means that the parents are more liable for their economic upkeep. Another facet of the system is that duty for caring for the aged lay with kin, rather than with either the local or national government. This doesn&#039;t make it more or less moral - they are just different ways of solving the problem of supporting people who are no longer economically active. Just because primary responsibilty for caring for the aged poor rested with the state doesn&#039;t mean that people don&#039;t love their parents or are somehow morally inferior. 

We live in an age of nations, in which we benefit from living in a community broader than that of the clan, and to which we have broader responsibilities. Each of us, through direct and indirect tax, supports the activites of the state, which go towards making the lives of its citizens better. In return, all of us recieve some support from society. Our duty is to care, not just for our parents, but for all the aged. And in doing so, I think Sam Tan and many others will acknowledge that it is the strongest in society who have the greatest duty to help the weakest, the wealthiest, the poorest. 

This doesn&#039;t mean that those who are not rich have no duty. It just means that those who have more should give more. If we want a fairer society, in which elderly dependents all receive a decent level of care, then we also have to accept that the burden for that care shoudl fall on all of us, according to our ability to shoulder that burden. This is why the state is absolutely critical.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think we need to examine critically the claim that &#8216;filial piety&#8217; is a universal value. But what Sam Tan needs to do is take a few history lessons and realise that the issue here is how people are cared for in old age. It is not a moral issue. In early modern England (c15c on), the existence of the Poor Law, a decentralised social security system run at the level of the parish, meant that the duty of care for the aged poor lay with parish, funded by its wealthier members (who were liable for tax). This is due to the nature of family structure in early modern England, in which nuclear families were the norm, and where children left home at a young age to be apprentices or servants, and got married when they could afford to set up an independent household. </p>
<p>In Confucian societies, the joint household model meant that many generations lived together. It means that children get married even before they reach economic independence, but it also means that the parents are more liable for their economic upkeep. Another facet of the system is that duty for caring for the aged lay with kin, rather than with either the local or national government. This doesn&#8217;t make it more or less moral &#8211; they are just different ways of solving the problem of supporting people who are no longer economically active. Just because primary responsibilty for caring for the aged poor rested with the state doesn&#8217;t mean that people don&#8217;t love their parents or are somehow morally inferior. </p>
<p>We live in an age of nations, in which we benefit from living in a community broader than that of the clan, and to which we have broader responsibilities. Each of us, through direct and indirect tax, supports the activites of the state, which go towards making the lives of its citizens better. In return, all of us recieve some support from society. Our duty is to care, not just for our parents, but for all the aged. And in doing so, I think Sam Tan and many others will acknowledge that it is the strongest in society who have the greatest duty to help the weakest, the wealthiest, the poorest. </p>
<p>This doesn&#8217;t mean that those who are not rich have no duty. It just means that those who have more should give more. If we want a fairer society, in which elderly dependents all receive a decent level of care, then we also have to accept that the burden for that care shoudl fall on all of us, according to our ability to shoulder that burden. This is why the state is absolutely critical.</p>
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		<title>By: Angelina</title>
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		<dc:creator>Angelina</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 May 2009 22:11:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Then don&#039;t collect so much money from your people.  If you collect people&#039;s money, you have a duty to care for them.  It is clear that the Govt is trying to shirk their responsibility and save the expense.  They need the money for gambling (called investments) and pay themselves the millions.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Then don&#8217;t collect so much money from your people.  If you collect people&#8217;s money, you have a duty to care for them.  It is clear that the Govt is trying to shirk their responsibility and save the expense.  They need the money for gambling (called investments) and pay themselves the millions.</p>
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		<title>By: CJ</title>
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		<dc:creator>CJ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 May 2009 21:34:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>All this wholesome statements made on  filial piety to side-step the issue of Welfare of a Citizen. 
I suggest  the MP personally make a THOROUGH survey at Ground Zero then come with all these wholesome advice on Family Principles. Question is; WHERE IS the government&#039;s basic principle of caring for its poeople - genuinely?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>All this wholesome statements made on  filial piety to side-step the issue of Welfare of a Citizen.<br />
I suggest  the MP personally make a THOROUGH survey at Ground Zero then come with all these wholesome advice on Family Principles. Question is; WHERE IS the government&#8217;s basic principle of caring for its poeople &#8211; genuinely?</p>
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		<title>By: observer</title>
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		<dc:creator>observer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 May 2009 17:35:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So expensive to marry and have kids here. Maid fee,food,education,transport,clothes,latest model mobile phone, pampers_ _ _
_ _ endless. So lacha!!
Now so many co-habitate with same sex or marry same sex. To bring down the cost of living.
So how to have kids to care for old age? Nowadays also kids too busy trying to survive solo. All ways blocked !
It appears the world is slowly but surly depleating of the human race through non-reproduction. Another form of  the end of the world???</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So expensive to marry and have kids here. Maid fee,food,education,transport,clothes,latest model mobile phone, pampers_ _ _<br />
_ _ endless. So lacha!!<br />
Now so many co-habitate with same sex or marry same sex. To bring down the cost of living.<br />
So how to have kids to care for old age? Nowadays also kids too busy trying to survive solo. All ways blocked !<br />
It appears the world is slowly but surly depleating of the human race through non-reproduction. Another form of  the end of the world???</p>
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		<title>By: keymaster</title>
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		<dc:creator>keymaster</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 May 2009 16:58:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh really ?? I thought someone who thinks he is very important recently urged Sporeans to send their parents to JB to die ?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh really ?? I thought someone who thinks he is very important recently urged Sporeans to send their parents to JB to die ?</p>
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		<title>By: SZ</title>
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		<dc:creator>SZ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 May 2009 16:38:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You should care for the state by working your a.s off..that&#039;s the right thing
but when you are old, You should let the children care for you, not the state as it is the right thing to do, and the state can wash their hands off those who help to build up a nation....

that&#039;s nice....almost as nice as nursing home in JB</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You should care for the state by working your a.s off..that&#8217;s the right thing<br />
but when you are old, You should let the children care for you, not the state as it is the right thing to do, and the state can wash their hands off those who help to build up a nation&#8230;.</p>
<p>that&#8217;s nice&#8230;.almost as nice as nursing home in JB</p>
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		<title>By: Small Time Businessman</title>
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		<dc:creator>Small Time Businessman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 May 2009 15:09:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>the children take care of parents....fair enough. 

But who&#039;s gonna take care of the children?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>the children take care of parents&#8230;.fair enough. </p>
<p>But who&#8217;s gonna take care of the children?</p>
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		<title>By: babyboy</title>
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		<dc:creator>babyboy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 May 2009 14:17:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Poppycock.... can&#039;t even support myself, how to support family. Living at my limits in Singapore. Yes, caring for another person is a fundamental value of the human race. But I can&#039;t afford to care here in Singapore.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Poppycock&#8230;. can&#8217;t even support myself, how to support family. Living at my limits in Singapore. Yes, caring for another person is a fundamental value of the human race. But I can&#8217;t afford to care here in Singapore.</p>
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		<title>By: golly</title>
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		<dc:creator>golly</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 May 2009 14:10:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>先有国才有家?
若是先有家才有国，那家就设在最好的国吧！
The most filial thing for the children to do would be to move the family to the place with the best lifestyle for the aged. And that would be the country that provides the best care for senior citizens, which will not be Singapore. So, no matter how you look at it, the state still need to care for its senior citizens.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>先有国才有家?<br />
若是先有家才有国，那家就设在最好的国吧！<br />
The most filial thing for the children to do would be to move the family to the place with the best lifestyle for the aged. And that would be the country that provides the best care for senior citizens, which will not be Singapore. So, no matter how you look at it, the state still need to care for its senior citizens.</p>
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