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	<title>Comments on: 20 years of town councils &#8211; yet no stake in governance for residents</title>
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		<title>By: Pancake</title>
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		<dc:creator>Pancake</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 Oct 2009 03:50:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I stay at Bedok, recently revealed as the estate with the oldest population. My flat is nearly 30 years old and lifts are still not yet upgraded. During the last elections, we were promised that if we voted for PAP, we will obtain prioritty in upgrade. But now opposition wards has cut the queue. Can we believe in election promises in future?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I stay at Bedok, recently revealed as the estate with the oldest population. My flat is nearly 30 years old and lifts are still not yet upgraded. During the last elections, we were promised that if we voted for PAP, we will obtain prioritty in upgrade. But now opposition wards has cut the queue. Can we believe in election promises in future?</p>
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		<title>By: The Singapore Story &#8211; A failure of pragmatism &#124; The Online Citizen</title>
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		<dc:creator>The Singapore Story &#8211; A failure of pragmatism &#124; The Online Citizen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Aug 2009 11:15:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Town councils were introduced only in 1989 but 20 years on, its aim has not been achieved as Senior Minister Goh Chok Tong admitted in June this year. Its aim? To “tgive them (residents) a stake in the process of governance”. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Town councils were introduced only in 1989 but 20 years on, its aim has not been achieved as Senior Minister Goh Chok Tong admitted in June this year. Its aim? To “tgive them (residents) a stake in the process of governance”. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: thio super cannon</title>
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		<dc:creator>thio super cannon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Jul 2009 15:13:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>the missing (external) links

resident &gt;&gt;&gt; calls TC office &gt;&gt;&gt; HDB&gt;&gt;&gt; NEA &gt;&gt;&gt; LTA &gt;&gt;&gt; POLICE &gt;&gt;&gt; directed back to TC office.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>the missing (external) links</p>
<p>resident &gt;&gt;&gt; calls TC office &gt;&gt;&gt; HDB&gt;&gt;&gt; NEA &gt;&gt;&gt; LTA &gt;&gt;&gt; POLICE &gt;&gt;&gt; directed back to TC office.</p>
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		<title>By: Eureka</title>
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		<dc:creator>Eureka</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 04 Jul 2009 08:53:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wooden Goh should visit Gayland more often, it is badly maintained with dirty hawker assistants and people jaywalking at their own will. There is quite a number of 1 and 2 room flat. There is also strong poodle presence since it is a red light district of prostitution and illegal gambling. If Wooden Goh went there more often, Gayland will be clear of streetwalkers and only those legal prostitutes will patronize the brothels.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wooden Goh should visit Gayland more often, it is badly maintained with dirty hawker assistants and people jaywalking at their own will. There is quite a number of 1 and 2 room flat. There is also strong poodle presence since it is a red light district of prostitution and illegal gambling. If Wooden Goh went there more often, Gayland will be clear of streetwalkers and only those legal prostitutes will patronize the brothels.</p>
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		<title>By: SM's own identity ?</title>
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		<dc:creator>SM's own identity ?</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 04 Jul 2009 06:12:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>when sm took over as pm in 1990, we felt a refreshing new breezee

he was seen as a reformer but he is now one of conformers.

he had opprtunities to make a new singapore and solidify rising support of people after 1997 election but he has ptoven that he can&#039;t beat the system

we are let down !!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>when sm took over as pm in 1990, we felt a refreshing new breezee</p>
<p>he was seen as a reformer but he is now one of conformers.</p>
<p>he had opprtunities to make a new singapore and solidify rising support of people after 1997 election but he has ptoven that he can&#8217;t beat the system</p>
<p>we are let down !!!</p>
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		<title>By: identity with town council ? what identity ?</title>
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		<dc:creator>identity with town council ? what identity ?</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 04 Jul 2009 06:06:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>20 years ago, ruling party downgraded the parliamentary democracy by introducing town council, practically making MP as estate managers, minimizing need to contest in GE with super sized GRC

now, they twist their tactics again, by keeping weak MPs in GRc and bring out ministers to stand in Single consituency

after 50 years of self rules, Singaporean are muted by all these political tricks

The more educated people have more stakes to lose so they are easily muted.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>20 years ago, ruling party downgraded the parliamentary democracy by introducing town council, practically making MP as estate managers, minimizing need to contest in GE with super sized GRC</p>
<p>now, they twist their tactics again, by keeping weak MPs in GRc and bring out ministers to stand in Single consituency</p>
<p>after 50 years of self rules, Singaporean are muted by all these political tricks</p>
<p>The more educated people have more stakes to lose so they are easily muted.</p>
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		<title>By: fourties</title>
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		<dc:creator>fourties</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Jul 2009 02:54:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The town council has always been an instrument of the ruling party for the following reasons:
a.  Votes buying - remember the upgrading funds for estate?  if you do not have a PAPy TC , u will not enjoy faster upgrading?
b.  Creation of jobs for new MP - with the GRC, you need more jobs for the MPs.  No jobs for them, how to get them &quot;closer&quot; to the people?  No jobs for the MPs, how to assess their performance and pay their salary?
NO wonder he is now saying that there is no link between the people and the TC.  Because his MPs are just not able to get better feedbacks from the residents except complains.......$$$$....freebies, etc
Have any Singapreans wonder how much we have wasted on upgrading works and various works leading to wastages? Spend and spend to make some happy residents, ultimately leading to more spirally cost of living.
This statement is a sign of engaging people by the PAPy and leads to the final election which is coming.  To make the people feel better that they are doing something for the people so that their votes will come back.  Wonder why they only do these things just before they decide for election?
I really do not want to see Singaporeans vote the opposition just because they are unhappy with them regardless the quality of the opposition.  But this day will come, until then, the PAPy must really wake up and provide a fair platform for us to see that they are people who have  &quot;heart&quot; for the people.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The town council has always been an instrument of the ruling party for the following reasons:<br />
a.  Votes buying &#8211; remember the upgrading funds for estate?  if you do not have a PAPy TC , u will not enjoy faster upgrading?<br />
b.  Creation of jobs for new MP &#8211; with the GRC, you need more jobs for the MPs.  No jobs for them, how to get them &#8220;closer&#8221; to the people?  No jobs for the MPs, how to assess their performance and pay their salary?<br />
NO wonder he is now saying that there is no link between the people and the TC.  Because his MPs are just not able to get better feedbacks from the residents except complains&#8230;&#8230;.$$$$&#8230;.freebies, etc<br />
Have any Singapreans wonder how much we have wasted on upgrading works and various works leading to wastages? Spend and spend to make some happy residents, ultimately leading to more spirally cost of living.<br />
This statement is a sign of engaging people by the PAPy and leads to the final election which is coming.  To make the people feel better that they are doing something for the people so that their votes will come back.  Wonder why they only do these things just before they decide for election?<br />
I really do not want to see Singaporeans vote the opposition just because they are unhappy with them regardless the quality of the opposition.  But this day will come, until then, the PAPy must really wake up and provide a fair platform for us to see that they are people who have  &#8220;heart&#8221; for the people.</p>
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		<title>By: Chan Chin Chai</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chan Chin Chai</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Jul 2009 08:53:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mr Goh, did you mention this 10 years ago? or this just happened?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mr Goh, did you mention this 10 years ago? or this just happened?</p>
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		<title>By: doctorwho</title>
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		<dc:creator>doctorwho</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Jul 2009 04:34:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It is not &quot;missing link&quot;, they should be finding the &quot;weakest link&quot;.

We, singaporean, have been a nation of robots under 1 central command.  Now the central command is already growing old and senile, and with his supreme &quot;intellect&quot;, he named his newbie son as the successor.  Of course, he is protected by his relatives and &quot;business partners&quot;.

All these talks from gct is useless when they are the one creating the problems and most of the time, i think it is for their political gains.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is not &#8220;missing link&#8221;, they should be finding the &#8220;weakest link&#8221;.</p>
<p>We, singaporean, have been a nation of robots under 1 central command.  Now the central command is already growing old and senile, and with his supreme &#8220;intellect&#8221;, he named his newbie son as the successor.  Of course, he is protected by his relatives and &#8220;business partners&#8221;.</p>
<p>All these talks from gct is useless when they are the one creating the problems and most of the time, i think it is for their political gains.</p>
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		<title>By: That Old Man</title>
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		<dc:creator>That Old Man</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Jun 2009 06:29:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I actually feel very sorry for the Senior Old Man.

He stared with a bang but looks like its ending with a whimper. Look at all around us, social, economic, political......, in all aspects we&#039;re straining to be a 1st world country, but really just in the top echleons of the 3 world banding.

TCs are key stones in nation building and it took 20 years to realise that the people are not pluged in? Can a 1st world nation have so much scism and disconnect?

Initially on the right track but took too may wrong turns. Now desperately lost! He limited his counsel to the elites who continues to be disconnected with typical Singaporean Heartlanders. Over time these out-of-touch elites grew into yes-men.

Why I feel sorry? Time is not on his side and he is going down in history for something he dread. I wish we can help but I don&#039;t think there is much we can do. We belong to a different social class.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I actually feel very sorry for the Senior Old Man.</p>
<p>He stared with a bang but looks like its ending with a whimper. Look at all around us, social, economic, political&#8230;&#8230;, in all aspects we&#8217;re straining to be a 1st world country, but really just in the top echleons of the 3 world banding.</p>
<p>TCs are key stones in nation building and it took 20 years to realise that the people are not pluged in? Can a 1st world nation have so much scism and disconnect?</p>
<p>Initially on the right track but took too may wrong turns. Now desperately lost! He limited his counsel to the elites who continues to be disconnected with typical Singaporean Heartlanders. Over time these out-of-touch elites grew into yes-men.</p>
<p>Why I feel sorry? Time is not on his side and he is going down in history for something he dread. I wish we can help but I don&#8217;t think there is much we can do. We belong to a different social class.</p>
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		<title>By: TheRationalMe</title>
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		<dc:creator>TheRationalMe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Jun 2009 05:44:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I feel that the Residents of HDB estates would gradually have a stake in the governance of TCs/their estates if the TCs and their staff are apolitical. Furthermore, the RCs block representatives must also do their part actively/dutifully. Most residents are unaware who are their blocks rep(s). However, in some RC zones the RC block reps do make efforts to visit each and every units/household to introduce themselves. RC block reps if they are really committed can be a vital link between residents and the TCs, believe you me.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I feel that the Residents of HDB estates would gradually have a stake in the governance of TCs/their estates if the TCs and their staff are apolitical. Furthermore, the RCs block representatives must also do their part actively/dutifully. Most residents are unaware who are their blocks rep(s). However, in some RC zones the RC block reps do make efforts to visit each and every units/household to introduce themselves. RC block reps if they are really committed can be a vital link between residents and the TCs, believe you me.</p>
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		<title>By: mike</title>
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		<dc:creator>mike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Jun 2009 05:27:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>27) patriot on June 28th, 2009 3.11 pm ,

yes! the senitment feelings is already spreading and steadily and ppl are getting very pissed when talk about them in all issues.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>27) patriot on June 28th, 2009 3.11 pm ,</p>
<p>yes! the senitment feelings is already spreading and steadily and ppl are getting very pissed when talk about them in all issues.</p>
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		<title>By: mike</title>
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		<dc:creator>mike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Jun 2009 05:21:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>59) TrueBlood Singaporean on June 29th, 2009 11.07 pm ,

few days ago, i told my kids when their come, you either do or dont as far as family plan is concerned. that is ...if  you cant afford dont commit when concerning expenses on marriage, housing and kids planning.

this problems in sg is serious esp when you dont enough money to survive let alone planning for the above not cos we dont want to, is just that we cant.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>59) TrueBlood Singaporean on June 29th, 2009 11.07 pm ,</p>
<p>few days ago, i told my kids when their come, you either do or dont as far as family plan is concerned. that is &#8230;if  you cant afford dont commit when concerning expenses on marriage, housing and kids planning.</p>
<p>this problems in sg is serious esp when you dont enough money to survive let alone planning for the above not cos we dont want to, is just that we cant.</p>
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		<title>By: XGGX</title>
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		<dc:creator>XGGX</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Jun 2009 05:15:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>For a response to 63) Ape, I quote an earlier comment.

59) TrueBlood Singaporean on June 29th, 2009 11.07 pm

Dear Brother, we shouldn’t complain about Town Concils cause it still cheao $50 as compare to Condo Maintenance of $200 to $300. But is worth if you drive a car of parking $90.

From $200 (low end) to $50. And I think most of Singapore&#039;s HDB estates are of the same standard as condo estates, if not better. Furthermore, it is more difficult to maintain a HDB estate&#039;s cleanliness due to a much higher human traffic than in the condos.

Considering how much the &quot;sinking funds&quot; have contributed to subsidizing our SC/CC costs, not too bad i think?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For a response to 63) Ape, I quote an earlier comment.</p>
<p>59) TrueBlood Singaporean on June 29th, 2009 11.07 pm</p>
<p>Dear Brother, we shouldn’t complain about Town Concils cause it still cheao $50 as compare to Condo Maintenance of $200 to $300. But is worth if you drive a car of parking $90.</p>
<p>From $200 (low end) to $50. And I think most of Singapore&#8217;s HDB estates are of the same standard as condo estates, if not better. Furthermore, it is more difficult to maintain a HDB estate&#8217;s cleanliness due to a much higher human traffic than in the condos.</p>
<p>Considering how much the &#8220;sinking funds&#8221; have contributed to subsidizing our SC/CC costs, not too bad i think?</p>
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		<title>By: Ape</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ape</dc:creator>
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		<description>#56) XGGX on June 29th, 2009 5.58 pm

What XGGX heard from the friend who supposedly work in TC sounds reasonable.  It is indeed difficult to estimate how much budget is required, thus the tendency to &quot;over budget&quot; just a little which brings in higher possibility of surplus.  It also makes sense that this surplus be invested for higher returns instead of getting the miserable less than 1% interest.

However, the benefits mentioned by XGGX seems out of place.

&quot;1. With the revenue generated from this sinking fund, each resident actually pays less than what is required to run the Town Council. ...&quot;

Are we paying less than what is required now?  How much do we really need to manage a Town?

&quot;2. Costs of running the Town Councils are pretty much fixed (assuming that you maintain the same standard of services even during recession times), but the SC/CC Charges can vary, to offset the tough economic times for some residents. So this is the “rainy day fund” that the Town Councils can tap into during the down times.&quot;

If the cost of running the town Councils are pretty much fixed, then the budget estimate will no longer be that difficult which means tendencies of &quot;over budgeting&quot; should be less too.  Furthermore, when was the last time any residents enjoy SC/CC rebate to offset the tough times?

XGGX, I feel that your friend who works in TC really fits into the description of &quot;missing link between TC and residents&quot;.  TC seems to be working so hard on how best to manage funds but forgotten to communicate with residents on what residents really do want in their towns.

If there is any TC members or decision makers reading this, don&#039;t forget this one thing, you are not a fund manager.  You are an estate manager.  Reach out to your residents (clients) and find out what they really need or want. Deliver if it is within your means and explain, in details, if you can&#039;t.

I&#039;m never impressed with TC who proclaim how much savings/surplus/funds they have. I&#039;m only impressed with TC who can make claims about how much they have done for the residents with so little funds.  I&#039;m even more impressed if the residents themselves tell me how much their TC has done for them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#56) XGGX on June 29th, 2009 5.58 pm</p>
<p>What XGGX heard from the friend who supposedly work in TC sounds reasonable.  It is indeed difficult to estimate how much budget is required, thus the tendency to &#8220;over budget&#8221; just a little which brings in higher possibility of surplus.  It also makes sense that this surplus be invested for higher returns instead of getting the miserable less than 1% interest.</p>
<p>However, the benefits mentioned by XGGX seems out of place.</p>
<p>&#8220;1. With the revenue generated from this sinking fund, each resident actually pays less than what is required to run the Town Council. &#8230;&#8221;</p>
<p>Are we paying less than what is required now?  How much do we really need to manage a Town?</p>
<p>&#8220;2. Costs of running the Town Councils are pretty much fixed (assuming that you maintain the same standard of services even during recession times), but the SC/CC Charges can vary, to offset the tough economic times for some residents. So this is the “rainy day fund” that the Town Councils can tap into during the down times.&#8221;</p>
<p>If the cost of running the town Councils are pretty much fixed, then the budget estimate will no longer be that difficult which means tendencies of &#8220;over budgeting&#8221; should be less too.  Furthermore, when was the last time any residents enjoy SC/CC rebate to offset the tough times?</p>
<p>XGGX, I feel that your friend who works in TC really fits into the description of &#8220;missing link between TC and residents&#8221;.  TC seems to be working so hard on how best to manage funds but forgotten to communicate with residents on what residents really do want in their towns.</p>
<p>If there is any TC members or decision makers reading this, don&#8217;t forget this one thing, you are not a fund manager.  You are an estate manager.  Reach out to your residents (clients) and find out what they really need or want. Deliver if it is within your means and explain, in details, if you can&#8217;t.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m never impressed with TC who proclaim how much savings/surplus/funds they have. I&#8217;m only impressed with TC who can make claims about how much they have done for the residents with so little funds.  I&#8217;m even more impressed if the residents themselves tell me how much their TC has done for them.</p>
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		<title>By: sadoh</title>
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		<dc:creator>sadoh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Jun 2009 02:59:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>They are at it again, playing with words and tricks, to cover the facts that town council pocketted huge amount of money in the last 20 years but delivered sub-standard kind of services.

Also there is the missing link of town council uses sinking funds to buy risky products and the town council accountability to the residents for the funds used.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>They are at it again, playing with words and tricks, to cover the facts that town council pocketted huge amount of money in the last 20 years but delivered sub-standard kind of services.</p>
<p>Also there is the missing link of town council uses sinking funds to buy risky products and the town council accountability to the residents for the funds used.</p>
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		<title>By: Renaerd</title>
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		<dc:creator>Renaerd</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Jun 2009 02:08:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well... the Town Councils do handle complaints from residents pretty well... and they rent out badminton courts for 5 bucks per session... the wonderful lil things that the Town Council does.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well&#8230; the Town Councils do handle complaints from residents pretty well&#8230; and they rent out badminton courts for 5 bucks per session&#8230; the wonderful lil things that the Town Council does.</p>
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		<title>By: musical chair</title>
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		<dc:creator>musical chair</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Jun 2009 19:13:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I pitty the new generation flat buyers, condo buyers while those injoying  the bubble may not feel the pain. but if the music stops?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I pitty the new generation flat buyers, condo buyers while those injoying  the bubble may not feel the pain. but if the music stops?</p>
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		<title>By: TrueBlood Singaporean</title>
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		<dc:creator>TrueBlood Singaporean</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Jun 2009 15:07:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dear Brother, we shouldn&#039;t complain about Town Concils cause it still cheao $50 as compare to Condo Maintenance of $200 to $300. But is worth if you drive a car of  parking $90.

We should complain abt HDB prices! Prices does not go with our pay increased but foreigners intake. A couple earning 2, 3K. How to afford to pay back the loan!
Hope Singapore population will extinct in future!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dear Brother, we shouldn&#8217;t complain about Town Concils cause it still cheao $50 as compare to Condo Maintenance of $200 to $300. But is worth if you drive a car of  parking $90.</p>
<p>We should complain abt HDB prices! Prices does not go with our pay increased but foreigners intake. A couple earning 2, 3K. How to afford to pay back the loan!<br />
Hope Singapore population will extinct in future!</p>
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		<title>By: budamax1952</title>
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		<dc:creator>budamax1952</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Jun 2009 12:34:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#XGGX56;;; The picture painted by the PAPy masters and their running dogs, during the last few decades, have always been rosy and smells sweet, but scratch the surface a bit you&#039;ll see a big lump of turd with accompanying smell.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#XGGX56;;; The picture painted by the PAPy masters and their running dogs, during the last few decades, have always been rosy and smells sweet, but scratch the surface a bit you&#8217;ll see a big lump of turd with accompanying smell.</p>
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