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	<title>Comments on: Family suspects interference in David&#8217;s case</title>
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		<title>By: quilted</title>
		<link>http://theonlinecitizen.com/2009/06/family-suspects-interference-in-davids-case/comment-page-1/#comment-82156</link>
		<dc:creator>quilted</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Jun 2009 15:10:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Do come to watch the trial if readers of TOC have questions. its an open court hearing. 

Yes, there were two other deaths after Hartono&#039;s death, but they were unrelated deaths. 

Also, his body was not cremated before any tests were conducted. There were autopsy reports, and these reports and photos of his organs were examined in open court. 

It is also untrue that none of their witnesses were brought to court. In fact, just today, 2 indonesian boys, friends of Hartono, were up on the stand for questioning.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Do come to watch the trial if readers of TOC have questions. its an open court hearing. </p>
<p>Yes, there were two other deaths after Hartono&#8217;s death, but they were unrelated deaths. </p>
<p>Also, his body was not cremated before any tests were conducted. There were autopsy reports, and these reports and photos of his organs were examined in open court. </p>
<p>It is also untrue that none of their witnesses were brought to court. In fact, just today, 2 indonesian boys, friends of Hartono, were up on the stand for questioning.</p>
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		<title>By: Dixon Lim</title>
		<link>http://theonlinecitizen.com/2009/06/family-suspects-interference-in-davids-case/comment-page-1/#comment-81624</link>
		<dc:creator>Dixon Lim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Jun 2009 08:30:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What is the reason given for clearing up the incident scene for Widjaya&#039;s case so fast? Why did they cremate the body instead of spending more time on forensic tests to determine his deathjust after 2 days???</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What is the reason given for clearing up the incident scene for Widjaya&#8217;s case so fast? Why did they cremate the body instead of spending more time on forensic tests to determine his deathjust after 2 days???</p>
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		<title>By: xtrocious</title>
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		<dc:creator>xtrocious</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Jun 2009 05:33:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think they may call a seance next...

Ghost whisperer any one?

Jokes aside, there are just too many &quot;defence&quot; wounds unless the victim was aiming to maim his attacker - but it is not surprising as the best defence is offense...

If someone attacked me with a knife, my initial reaction would be to put my attacker out of action and fast...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think they may call a seance next&#8230;</p>
<p>Ghost whisperer any one?</p>
<p>Jokes aside, there are just too many &#8220;defence&#8221; wounds unless the victim was aiming to maim his attacker &#8211; but it is not surprising as the best defence is offense&#8230;</p>
<p>If someone attacked me with a knife, my initial reaction would be to put my attacker out of action and fast&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: loop</title>
		<link>http://theonlinecitizen.com/2009/06/family-suspects-interference-in-davids-case/comment-page-1/#comment-81321</link>
		<dc:creator>loop</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Jun 2009 02:47:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>They should hire their own PI to do an investigation if they really has doubts.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>They should hire their own PI to do an investigation if they really has doubts.</p>
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		<title>By: LOL</title>
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		<dc:creator>LOL</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Jun 2009 02:45:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>hmmm...i believed 2 or 3 ppl witnessed his suicide but the family say they are not credible??? The family now have the burden to individually prove that the witnesses are lying which i highly doubt they can prove</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>hmmm&#8230;i believed 2 or 3 ppl witnessed his suicide but the family say they are not credible??? The family now have the burden to individually prove that the witnesses are lying which i highly doubt they can prove</p>
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		<title>By: BigmAnj</title>
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		<dc:creator>BigmAnj</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Jun 2009 01:52:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>must call tangkee and cleanse NTU of all evil spirit.

Very interesting statement...

Hartono also showed pictures of David&#039;s corpse. A deep cut at the neck, splintered legs and defense wounds all over his arms and hands all showed that he did not commit suicide. All these facts were never mentioned in the Singaporean court.

splintered legs.. I thought this guy jumped from a high place.. would his limbs be splintered hmm...

defence wond... both victim and attacker can have defence wound. When the victim defended himself from the attacker, he may actually hit back. Imagine someone attacked you with a knife, you may perhaps hold/grip the attached forearm to protect yourselves, this may cause bruises on the attackers hand... hmm... maybe I have been watching too many CSIs series</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>must call tangkee and cleanse NTU of all evil spirit.</p>
<p>Very interesting statement&#8230;</p>
<p>Hartono also showed pictures of David&#8217;s corpse. A deep cut at the neck, splintered legs and defense wounds all over his arms and hands all showed that he did not commit suicide. All these facts were never mentioned in the Singaporean court.</p>
<p>splintered legs.. I thought this guy jumped from a high place.. would his limbs be splintered hmm&#8230;</p>
<p>defence wond&#8230; both victim and attacker can have defence wound. When the victim defended himself from the attacker, he may actually hit back. Imagine someone attacked you with a knife, you may perhaps hold/grip the attached forearm to protect yourselves, this may cause bruises on the attackers hand&#8230; hmm&#8230; maybe I have been watching too many CSIs series</p>
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		<title>By: xiao3yu3</title>
		<link>http://theonlinecitizen.com/2009/06/family-suspects-interference-in-davids-case/comment-page-1/#comment-81272</link>
		<dc:creator>xiao3yu3</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Jun 2009 16:07:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Rocker

The third case was reported in the evening papers but no point bringing a relationship with the former two, since it&#039;s just a case of road-traffic accident and just so happened that they all come from the same faculty. This third case does not have any relations as far as we know with the first two.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Rocker</p>
<p>The third case was reported in the evening papers but no point bringing a relationship with the former two, since it&#8217;s just a case of road-traffic accident and just so happened that they all come from the same faculty. This third case does not have any relations as far as we know with the first two.</p>
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		<title>By: Rocker</title>
		<link>http://theonlinecitizen.com/2009/06/family-suspects-interference-in-davids-case/comment-page-1/#comment-81131</link>
		<dc:creator>Rocker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Jun 2009 18:16:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ Joker : your statistics of the deaths is unreliable... The Fact is there is 3 cases happened. The first one is David&#039;s alleged suicide. second, Zhou Zheng (if i am not wrong), a project officer found hanged on his room. He is from the same faculty as David and according to NTU, started to work there at the day David was found death. The third case is a researcher from the same faculty too. He was hit by a car when he was reaching a bus stop. (the details of the third accidents is somewhat unclear because there is no report on MSM. )
You seem so childish when you wrote about the dog, cats and rats.... ignorance!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ Joker : your statistics of the deaths is unreliable&#8230; The Fact is there is 3 cases happened. The first one is David&#8217;s alleged suicide. second, Zhou Zheng (if i am not wrong), a project officer found hanged on his room. He is from the same faculty as David and according to NTU, started to work there at the day David was found death. The third case is a researcher from the same faculty too. He was hit by a car when he was reaching a bus stop. (the details of the third accidents is somewhat unclear because there is no report on MSM. )<br />
You seem so childish when you wrote about the dog, cats and rats&#8230;. ignorance!</p>
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		<title>By: Joker</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Jun 2009 17:21:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Apart from the 2 mysterious death, there are 15 dog, 12 cats, 93 rats, 1 bird, 27 fishes, 384766382135393 ants, 983 cockroaches and 34 lizards that died since the incident. We have reasons to believe that these mysterious death are also related to the case. Can the police look into this? Something really fishy is going on here.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Apart from the 2 mysterious death, there are 15 dog, 12 cats, 93 rats, 1 bird, 27 fishes, 384766382135393 ants, 983 cockroaches and 34 lizards that died since the incident. We have reasons to believe that these mysterious death are also related to the case. Can the police look into this? Something really fishy is going on here.</p>
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		<title>By: XiiAoGeNgEnX</title>
		<link>http://theonlinecitizen.com/2009/06/family-suspects-interference-in-davids-case/comment-page-1/#comment-81119</link>
		<dc:creator>XiiAoGeNgEnX</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Jun 2009 16:20:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>the Jakarta Post article also noted 2 other mysterious deaths immediately following the David case. Could TOC verify that?

If what they allege is true, then there&#039;s something really fishy going on.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>the Jakarta Post article also noted 2 other mysterious deaths immediately following the David case. Could TOC verify that?</p>
<p>If what they allege is true, then there&#8217;s something really fishy going on.</p>
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		<title>By: Daniel Ling</title>
		<link>http://theonlinecitizen.com/2009/06/family-suspects-interference-in-davids-case/comment-page-1/#comment-81051</link>
		<dc:creator>Daniel Ling</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Jun 2009 07:02:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No comments on the Jakarta Post article as i&#039;m not present thus in no way would I know the truth.

But the phrase &quot;Is the family still in Denial?&quot; placed there by TOC or by Jakarta Post?

If it&#039;s done by TOC, is it of TOC&#039;s opinion that the family is in denial and that they are only grabbing air?

Does this also mean that TOC is judging the outcome of a Case before it finish?

Just wondering aloud.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No comments on the Jakarta Post article as i&#8217;m not present thus in no way would I know the truth.</p>
<p>But the phrase &#8220;Is the family still in Denial?&#8221; placed there by TOC or by Jakarta Post?</p>
<p>If it&#8217;s done by TOC, is it of TOC&#8217;s opinion that the family is in denial and that they are only grabbing air?</p>
<p>Does this also mean that TOC is judging the outcome of a Case before it finish?</p>
<p>Just wondering aloud.</p>
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		<title>By: Puay Bak Yong</title>
		<link>http://theonlinecitizen.com/2009/06/family-suspects-interference-in-davids-case/comment-page-1/#comment-80984</link>
		<dc:creator>Puay Bak Yong</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Jun 2009 02:45:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The next time Singapore chooses their scholars, they better do a sanity check on their immediate family as well.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The next time Singapore chooses their scholars, they better do a sanity check on their immediate family as well.</p>
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		<title>By: luffy</title>
		<link>http://theonlinecitizen.com/2009/06/family-suspects-interference-in-davids-case/comment-page-1/#comment-80947</link>
		<dc:creator>luffy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Jun 2009 18:07:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>HAHAHA
      You are so funny --&gt; gundam</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>HAHAHA<br />
      You are so funny &#8211;&gt; gundam</p>
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		<title>By: Joker</title>
		<link>http://theonlinecitizen.com/2009/06/family-suspects-interference-in-davids-case/comment-page-1/#comment-80946</link>
		<dc:creator>Joker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Jun 2009 17:59:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>“Testimonies from witnesses presented by the NTU were fictitious and none of our witnesses was brought to the court.”

Right. All the witnesses are fake. Paid to give false testimonies. The video is fake too. They employ some mediacorp extra to film the video and present to court.

In fact, David not dead yet. The body is fake one. He is currently being locked up in some underground lab to do a top secret military project for Singapore. We believe his FYP will lead to the development of Gundam mobile suit for our army. Which we will use it to invade the rest of the world.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>“Testimonies from witnesses presented by the NTU were fictitious and none of our witnesses was brought to the court.”</p>
<p>Right. All the witnesses are fake. Paid to give false testimonies. The video is fake too. They employ some mediacorp extra to film the video and present to court.</p>
<p>In fact, David not dead yet. The body is fake one. He is currently being locked up in some underground lab to do a top secret military project for Singapore. We believe his FYP will lead to the development of Gundam mobile suit for our army. Which we will use it to invade the rest of the world.</p>
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		<title>By: prettyplace</title>
		<link>http://theonlinecitizen.com/2009/06/family-suspects-interference-in-davids-case/comment-page-1/#comment-80932</link>
		<dc:creator>prettyplace</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Jun 2009 15:39:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>quote... none of our witnesses was brought to the court...unquote...

Who are these people...OUR WITNESS...were they the familiy&#039;s witnesses....or the people at the scene....

TOC...plese make it clear.....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>quote&#8230; none of our witnesses was brought to the court&#8230;unquote&#8230;</p>
<p>Who are these people&#8230;OUR WITNESS&#8230;were they the familiy&#8217;s witnesses&#8230;.or the people at the scene&#8230;.</p>
<p>TOC&#8230;plese make it clear&#8230;..</p>
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		<title>By: prettyplace</title>
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		<dc:creator>prettyplace</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Jun 2009 15:35:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Must not be questioned as in.....their job..unless there is a strong reason....and that must be stated....and usually will be stated by the presiding judge...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Must not be questioned as in&#8230;..their job..unless there is a strong reason&#8230;.and that must be stated&#8230;.and usually will be stated by the presiding judge&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: prettyplace</title>
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		<dc:creator>prettyplace</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Jun 2009 15:34:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t doubt hte system......but at the same time .....the system must not create any doubts.....

However, I did ...read the Iranii girl, giving some evidence and a boy video taping the whole incident...mmmm.......

These witnesses.... were they in court...under oath....
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“Testimonies from witnesses presented by the NTU were fictitious and none of our witnesses was brought to the court.....Unquote.
(from TOC article....Make it clear please)

Reasonable doubt....must be cleared....Thus...a good jugde would expect the witness on the stand.....if not at least on live video....

TOC, can you please provide any detail with regards to witnesses being on the stand......if not why....

Our judiciary must not be questioned....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t doubt hte system&#8230;&#8230;but at the same time &#8230;..the system must not create any doubts&#8230;..</p>
<p>However, I did &#8230;read the Iranii girl, giving some evidence and a boy video taping the whole incident&#8230;mmmm&#8230;&#8230;.</p>
<p>These witnesses&#8230;. were they in court&#8230;under oath&#8230;.<br />
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“Testimonies from witnesses presented by the NTU were fictitious and none of our witnesses was brought to the court&#8230;..Unquote.<br />
(from TOC article&#8230;.Make it clear please)</p>
<p>Reasonable doubt&#8230;.must be cleared&#8230;.Thus&#8230;a good jugde would expect the witness on the stand&#8230;..if not at least on live video&#8230;.</p>
<p>TOC, can you please provide any detail with regards to witnesses being on the stand&#8230;&#8230;if not why&#8230;.</p>
<p>Our judiciary must not be questioned&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: Verdict</title>
		<link>http://theonlinecitizen.com/2009/06/family-suspects-interference-in-davids-case/comment-page-1/#comment-80894</link>
		<dc:creator>Verdict</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Jun 2009 12:43:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think the final verdict will still be &quot;suicide&quot;.   This I am as sure as the PAP will win the next election.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think the final verdict will still be &#8220;suicide&#8221;.   This I am as sure as the PAP will win the next election.</p>
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		<title>By: adam halla</title>
		<link>http://theonlinecitizen.com/2009/06/family-suspects-interference-in-davids-case/comment-page-1/#comment-80880</link>
		<dc:creator>adam halla</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Jun 2009 11:32:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>for national sympathy and attention,blame others</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>for national sympathy and attention,blame others</p>
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		<title>By: Mr. E</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mr. E</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Jun 2009 10:47:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>For all the heat the courts get for political reasons, how are they going to carry themselves in with actual cases? If there really is some underhanded stuff going about, It is going to erode what little trust I have left for this &#039;pillar&#039; of the land.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For all the heat the courts get for political reasons, how are they going to carry themselves in with actual cases? If there really is some underhanded stuff going about, It is going to erode what little trust I have left for this &#8216;pillar&#8217; of the land.</p>
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