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		<title>By: nonsense</title>
		<link>http://theonlinecitizen.com/2009/06/pm-lee-displayed-false-humility/comment-page-3/#comment-124618</link>
		<dc:creator>nonsense</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 03 Jan 2010 03:50:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Which is more comfortable:  fly in a first class seat with strangers around you or fly in a economy class seat with all the neighbouring seats up to four rows in front and behind you blanked out ?   I would much rather fly in such an economy class seat.  Besides I can also order anything that I want, including caviar, and of course any TV entertainment that even first class passengers do not get to enjoy.

Personally I think it is penny wise pound foolish to pay the ministers stratospheric salaries and then make them fly economy class.  The drain on the taxpayers money on the ministers salaries runs into hundreds of millions, but the cost of a first class seat is but only ten thousand dollars.
I would much rather get the ministers to fly first class so that they can get refreshed quickly so as to start doing their job promptly upon arrival.  They would save the national coffers 10000 dollars for every day they can start work earlier after a long flight.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Which is more comfortable:  fly in a first class seat with strangers around you or fly in a economy class seat with all the neighbouring seats up to four rows in front and behind you blanked out ?   I would much rather fly in such an economy class seat.  Besides I can also order anything that I want, including caviar, and of course any TV entertainment that even first class passengers do not get to enjoy.</p>
<p>Personally I think it is penny wise pound foolish to pay the ministers stratospheric salaries and then make them fly economy class.  The drain on the taxpayers money on the ministers salaries runs into hundreds of millions, but the cost of a first class seat is but only ten thousand dollars.<br />
I would much rather get the ministers to fly first class so that they can get refreshed quickly so as to start doing their job promptly upon arrival.  They would save the national coffers 10000 dollars for every day they can start work earlier after a long flight.</p>
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		<title>By: rwkc</title>
		<link>http://theonlinecitizen.com/2009/06/pm-lee-displayed-false-humility/comment-page-3/#comment-116424</link>
		<dc:creator>rwkc</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Nov 2009 05:20:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes, let&#039;s unite and kick them out, dump all papy trash, every single bit of it, into the trashbin, where they belong.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, let&#8217;s unite and kick them out, dump all papy trash, every single bit of it, into the trashbin, where they belong.</p>
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		<title>By: jaywalker</title>
		<link>http://theonlinecitizen.com/2009/06/pm-lee-displayed-false-humility/comment-page-3/#comment-116408</link>
		<dc:creator>jaywalker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Nov 2009 04:37:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Next GE is kick ass time! Their infantile charade to disguise their true grit sickens to the gut.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Next GE is kick ass time! Their infantile charade to disguise their true grit sickens to the gut.</p>
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		<title>By: Big Brain</title>
		<link>http://theonlinecitizen.com/2009/06/pm-lee-displayed-false-humility/comment-page-3/#comment-107553</link>
		<dc:creator>Big Brain</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Sep 2009 17:55:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>PM LHL must be out of his mind when he said that minister take economy class. Can any body forgot that his mother have to be flown back home by SIA jet specially converted for her to brought her back to Singapore? Surely PM LHL must be mad if Singaporean believed him.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>PM LHL must be out of his mind when he said that minister take economy class. Can any body forgot that his mother have to be flown back home by SIA jet specially converted for her to brought her back to Singapore? Surely PM LHL must be mad if Singaporean believed him.</p>
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		<title>By: Daniel</title>
		<link>http://theonlinecitizen.com/2009/06/pm-lee-displayed-false-humility/comment-page-3/#comment-97834</link>
		<dc:creator>Daniel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Aug 2009 12:23:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;APEC coming to town&quot;

Did you forget one important thing that the state need to do ? That is the state need to keep 24 hours surveillance on Dr Chee and his accomplices to risk spoiling the millions-dollar Truman show.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;APEC coming to town&#8221;</p>
<p>Did you forget one important thing that the state need to do ? That is the state need to keep 24 hours surveillance on Dr Chee and his accomplices to risk spoiling the millions-dollar Truman show.</p>
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		<title>By: need t impress</title>
		<link>http://theonlinecitizen.com/2009/06/pm-lee-displayed-false-humility/comment-page-3/#comment-97831</link>
		<dc:creator>need t impress</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Aug 2009 12:16:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>APEC coming to town .State buys brand new BMW. Sproun up Orchard road. Spround up building around Ocrhard road. Street becomes brighter, moneis poured into landscaping.. . All becos they need to impress. The needs and urge to impress  is syptom of  secuirty. .ALL these year SIN are ignored .. when obamsa comes to town.. why care when cupboard lady in waterloo street are hidden away.. One price of a BMW is enough to give her a little luxury for balance period here on earth.  SINs ...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>APEC coming to town .State buys brand new BMW. Sproun up Orchard road. Spround up building around Ocrhard road. Street becomes brighter, moneis poured into landscaping.. . All becos they need to impress. The needs and urge to impress  is syptom of  secuirty. .ALL these year SIN are ignored .. when obamsa comes to town.. why care when cupboard lady in waterloo street are hidden away.. One price of a BMW is enough to give her a little luxury for balance period here on earth.  SINs &#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: i luv sg</title>
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		<dc:creator>i luv sg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Aug 2009 12:54:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What happened in the end of every dynasty --- the emperor (Lee) is killed and replaced by another dynasty</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What happened in the end of every dynasty &#8212; the emperor (Lee) is killed and replaced by another dynasty</p>
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		<title>By: doctorwho</title>
		<link>http://theonlinecitizen.com/2009/06/pm-lee-displayed-false-humility/comment-page-3/#comment-85009</link>
		<dc:creator>doctorwho</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 04 Jul 2009 23:22:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#129
A different set of rules set by the elites, it is no different from the ancient chinese dynasty style of ruling and we know wat happens to it.</description>
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A different set of rules set by the elites, it is no different from the ancient chinese dynasty style of ruling and we know wat happens to it.</p>
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		<title>By: PMET</title>
		<link>http://theonlinecitizen.com/2009/06/pm-lee-displayed-false-humility/comment-page-3/#comment-85004</link>
		<dc:creator>PMET</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 04 Jul 2009 22:42:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Hello Daniel #49 – For your info, all board of directors are paid handsome director’s fees. There is no such thing as FOC appointment. Money is the key. If you take a look at the board members of TH &amp; GIC link companies, you will see that many top brass in the civil service and also from the armed forces are board members of these companies. This is how the elites reward their own members. So nothing is for free. No money no talk.&quot;

I have always wondered, if we, the tax payers are the pay masters of these MIWs and other ministers in the cabinet, shouldn&#039;t they be performing their jobs full time?

I mean, I as a common worker are not allowed to hold a second job to my current one as laid out in my employment letter. Reason being, I will not be able to give my all to the job that the company is employing me for, so no second job. If discovered, I will be terminated with no second questions asked.

So, with these million dollar salaries, why is it then they are allowed to hold so many positions in so many places, be it a company or a stat board?
And if they are holding down so many jobs, which one is priority then? The minister job? Or the company or stat board job where they are accountable to their share holders?

If it is the latter, then, why the hell are we still paying these people to do a part time job? We are talking frigging 6 zeros here leh.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Hello Daniel #49 – For your info, all board of directors are paid handsome director’s fees. There is no such thing as FOC appointment. Money is the key. If you take a look at the board members of TH &amp; GIC link companies, you will see that many top brass in the civil service and also from the armed forces are board members of these companies. This is how the elites reward their own members. So nothing is for free. No money no talk.&#8221;</p>
<p>I have always wondered, if we, the tax payers are the pay masters of these MIWs and other ministers in the cabinet, shouldn&#8217;t they be performing their jobs full time?</p>
<p>I mean, I as a common worker are not allowed to hold a second job to my current one as laid out in my employment letter. Reason being, I will not be able to give my all to the job that the company is employing me for, so no second job. If discovered, I will be terminated with no second questions asked.</p>
<p>So, with these million dollar salaries, why is it then they are allowed to hold so many positions in so many places, be it a company or a stat board?<br />
And if they are holding down so many jobs, which one is priority then? The minister job? Or the company or stat board job where they are accountable to their share holders?</p>
<p>If it is the latter, then, why the hell are we still paying these people to do a part time job? We are talking frigging 6 zeros here leh.</p>
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		<title>By: Ripley Believe it or Not</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ripley Believe it or Not</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Jun 2009 20:31:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Should go into Ripley believe It or Not  gallery.</description>
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		<title>By: Hotsun</title>
		<link>http://theonlinecitizen.com/2009/06/pm-lee-displayed-false-humility/comment-page-3/#comment-81536</link>
		<dc:creator>Hotsun</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Jun 2009 01:43:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It is inexcusable for scientist to torture animals ;let them make their experinents on journalists and politicians.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is inexcusable for scientist to torture animals ;let them make their experinents on journalists and politicians.</p>
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		<title>By: Charles</title>
		<link>http://theonlinecitizen.com/2009/06/pm-lee-displayed-false-humility/comment-page-3/#comment-81495</link>
		<dc:creator>Charles</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Jun 2009 15:58:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ll believe it when I see a minister sitting next to me in Economy class!

Yes, it might be the policy for the ministers to fly economy but with the kind of $ they are being paid, these senior officials would have no problem upgrading out of their own pocket... 

So it basically boils down to their pay packet which I think is the main point of the article...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ll believe it when I see a minister sitting next to me in Economy class!</p>
<p>Yes, it might be the policy for the ministers to fly economy but with the kind of $ they are being paid, these senior officials would have no problem upgrading out of their own pocket&#8230; </p>
<p>So it basically boils down to their pay packet which I think is the main point of the article&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: AN</title>
		<link>http://theonlinecitizen.com/2009/06/pm-lee-displayed-false-humility/comment-page-3/#comment-81480</link>
		<dc:creator>AN</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Jun 2009 15:14:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Vote for PAP.............and get SCREWED for another 5years........

Doesn&#039;t matter what class they fly, truth is our beloved PM &amp; his stooges don&#039;t mean what they say........

Wonder how long more will us (lesser mortals) suffer in silence.........

We need a miracle......short of a &#039;divine intervention&#039; to get rid of this A Team!  

From Third World to First World????  For whom??????</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Vote for PAP&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;.and get SCREWED for another 5years&#8230;&#8230;..</p>
<p>Doesn&#8217;t matter what class they fly, truth is our beloved PM &amp; his stooges don&#8217;t mean what they say&#8230;&#8230;..</p>
<p>Wonder how long more will us (lesser mortals) suffer in silence&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;</p>
<p>We need a miracle&#8230;&#8230;short of a &#8216;divine intervention&#8217; to get rid of this A Team!  </p>
<p>From Third World to First World????  For whom??????</p>
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		<title>By: toiletmatter</title>
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		<dc:creator>toiletmatter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Jun 2009 13:45:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&gt;99 years leasehold surpasses your lifespan and your children’s lifespan. 

 unless ur lifespan is 50, u r talking cock</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&gt;99 years leasehold surpasses your lifespan and your children’s lifespan. </p>
<p> unless ur lifespan is 50, u r talking cock</p>
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		<title>By: tazmania</title>
		<link>http://theonlinecitizen.com/2009/06/pm-lee-displayed-false-humility/comment-page-3/#comment-81452</link>
		<dc:creator>tazmania</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Jun 2009 13:26:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey guys, my NORMAL life is = parent separated, bro and sis live elsewhere,both parents not working,i only breadwinner,loansharks and loansharks..u think my normal life is like MM Lee ar...

I just saying no matter what,just be happy lor..don&#039;t complain so much..And see what is the government next step is,and what they will say abt this..tt&#039;s all I&#039;m trying to say..

go sue the government if u got power lor..</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey guys, my NORMAL life is = parent separated, bro and sis live elsewhere,both parents not working,i only breadwinner,loansharks and loansharks..u think my normal life is like MM Lee ar&#8230;</p>
<p>I just saying no matter what,just be happy lor..don&#8217;t complain so much..And see what is the government next step is,and what they will say abt this..tt&#8217;s all I&#8217;m trying to say..</p>
<p>go sue the government if u got power lor..</p>
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		<title>By: No Goondu</title>
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		<dc:creator>No Goondu</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Jun 2009 12:07:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dear fairplay

I know someone will say what you say but it is not the end of the lease that you will see the effect, you start to realise the depreciation after 25 yrs!  Think about your 5 yr old car compared to your new car.  I don&#039;t see how HDB dwellers can consider HDB an asset.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dear fairplay</p>
<p>I know someone will say what you say but it is not the end of the lease that you will see the effect, you start to realise the depreciation after 25 yrs!  Think about your 5 yr old car compared to your new car.  I don&#8217;t see how HDB dwellers can consider HDB an asset.</p>
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		<title>By: fairplay</title>
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		<dc:creator>fairplay</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Jun 2009 11:30:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dear Thinktok and Not Goondu

99 years leasehold surpasses your lifespan and your children&#039;s lifespan. So why care so much about its value. We will be dead and our children will be dead. You leave the valueless miserable lease expiring apartment to perhaps your grandchildren to fight over it. You won&#039;t be able to know what they will do with it. So just live life and be happy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dear Thinktok and Not Goondu</p>
<p>99 years leasehold surpasses your lifespan and your children&#8217;s lifespan. So why care so much about its value. We will be dead and our children will be dead. You leave the valueless miserable lease expiring apartment to perhaps your grandchildren to fight over it. You won&#8217;t be able to know what they will do with it. So just live life and be happy.</p>
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		<title>By: Angelina</title>
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		<dc:creator>Angelina</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Jun 2009 11:29:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thinktok re &quot;Before your HDB flat reaches its physical life (99 years) it already surpassed its economic life and therefore will be torn down, rebuild through ‘enbloc’.&quot;

Please confirm if this is your assumption.  Please also enlighten me what value will the compensation be based on.  Is there really no difference between a 50 yr old flat and a 5yr old flat?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thinktok re &#8220;Before your HDB flat reaches its physical life (99 years) it already surpassed its economic life and therefore will be torn down, rebuild through ‘enbloc’.&#8221;</p>
<p>Please confirm if this is your assumption.  Please also enlighten me what value will the compensation be based on.  Is there really no difference between a 50 yr old flat and a 5yr old flat?</p>
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		<title>By: what is 'enbloc' leh</title>
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		<dc:creator>what is 'enbloc' leh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Jun 2009 11:12:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Before your HDB flat reaches its physical life (99 years) it already surpassed its
economic life and therefore will be torn down, rebuild through ‘enbloc’.&quot;

enbloc for what ? usually for another &#039;better&#039; block (either again public or private) ? at higher prices or lower prices ?

this has the tendency to inflate the price if it seen in the context of private property prices &amp; also in the new flats of public housing - both of which will be chased by ↑ no. of people (both locals and foreigners of both low-skilled and the very rich allowed because of liberal open policies).

&quot;Govt do not inflate HDB resale prices. What for?&quot;

The above explain how it gets inflated.

As for what for ? You can&#039;t tax on raw resources as you do not have any. So you tax / rent-seek on human resources and static properties. Why ? bcos you need local currency funds for internal public consumption &amp; foreign exchange / reserves for import of a lot of things which you do not have ? the exact mechanic is pretty fluid and it is anyone&#039;s guess ? Anyone who cares to debunk ?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Before your HDB flat reaches its physical life (99 years) it already surpassed its<br />
economic life and therefore will be torn down, rebuild through ‘enbloc’.&#8221;</p>
<p>enbloc for what ? usually for another &#8216;better&#8217; block (either again public or private) ? at higher prices or lower prices ?</p>
<p>this has the tendency to inflate the price if it seen in the context of private property prices &amp; also in the new flats of public housing &#8211; both of which will be chased by ↑ no. of people (both locals and foreigners of both low-skilled and the very rich allowed because of liberal open policies).</p>
<p>&#8220;Govt do not inflate HDB resale prices. What for?&#8221;</p>
<p>The above explain how it gets inflated.</p>
<p>As for what for ? You can&#8217;t tax on raw resources as you do not have any. So you tax / rent-seek on human resources and static properties. Why ? bcos you need local currency funds for internal public consumption &amp; foreign exchange / reserves for import of a lot of things which you do not have ? the exact mechanic is pretty fluid and it is anyone&#8217;s guess ? Anyone who cares to debunk ?</p>
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		<title>By: Not Goondu</title>
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		<dc:creator>Not Goondu</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Jun 2009 11:00:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ya la, resort to calling me &#039;Goondu&#039; lah, bitchy lah, bury head in sand lah, then your argument will sound more credible hor?

Are you saying ALL HDB flats will be torn down and rebuild through &#039;enbloc&#039; after some years.  If yes, how many years?  If you can provide this info, everyone will thank you, no need to dump and buy freehold overseas for our retirement and children&#039;s future financial security sake.

Indeed Govt do not inflate HDB RESALE, they increase (inflate) NEW flat prices.  The excuse - follow market trend (when the original idea of HDB is to provide affordable housing for Sporeans). When prices of new flat is high, of course resale will follow.  Get it?????</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ya la, resort to calling me &#8216;Goondu&#8217; lah, bitchy lah, bury head in sand lah, then your argument will sound more credible hor?</p>
<p>Are you saying ALL HDB flats will be torn down and rebuild through &#8216;enbloc&#8217; after some years.  If yes, how many years?  If you can provide this info, everyone will thank you, no need to dump and buy freehold overseas for our retirement and children&#8217;s future financial security sake.</p>
<p>Indeed Govt do not inflate HDB RESALE, they increase (inflate) NEW flat prices.  The excuse &#8211; follow market trend (when the original idea of HDB is to provide affordable housing for Sporeans). When prices of new flat is high, of course resale will follow.  Get it?????</p>
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