Has any of you been given a banquet to recognised your contribution to Singapore? Or does it means your contribution is nothing?

there was no implication
you may want to re-read my post

a. TH, GIC, MAS losing billions of dollars
b. Singaporeans are still dubbed as not capable of taking up the critical positions in the country hence influx of FT
c. Nick Leeson (remember him the infamous FT)
d. Brooke Business School
e, As per some of the comment above Singaporeans being denied the opportunity to study despite eligibility
f. Structured Finance Debacle

All that despite the rave of so called “World Class Standard” and the ideal of “Meritocracy”. Why cry fault when you are part of the system that cherish that ideal…

Non of that come from your north neighbour and at least your neighbour call it “it is what is ” rather than hiding behind certain ideal. Their current success of avoiding aLL of the above is through the government that was formed under NEP. Be it good or bad, their people still have the first opportunity to hold key role before anybody else. Can some of you say the same?

as mentioned before
only your words are based on facts
anybody else
just hearsays…
when you are free
if you are free
go mingle
than come back

I borrowed the term “uturn” from (94) iwantobe a naked undergrad, his term on your comment at (93).

“////////You must be the bright spark who got into uni without problem, or the dim spark who got into uni via uturn huh? ///////
What do you think?”

Haha… in any case, still could go to uni, unlike so many who couldn’t even when u “do not think it is harder now to get into uni”.

I do not know if it is because my writing skills are so bad or your comprehension skills are, or both.
You have missed my point.

Yes agree with you that our universities must be transparent about the successful scholars’ qualification, until then , we are all speculating.

////////Or are you implying that many of our local students are so super stupid to have problem entering our local uni even despite the uturn?/////////

If you read what I wrote, you will know I am not implying that..
And I did not say there was any u-turn. What u-turn are you refering to?

Students have different learning ability and some are late starters, those whose grade fail to let them enter uni, but after going thru poly, many excel in poly and they move on to uni.
Nobody is stupid.
I think it will be offensive to call them “super stupid”.

////////You must be the bright spark who got into uni without problem, or the dim spark who got into uni via uturn huh? ///////
What do you think?

///Malaysia’s NEP has not got its bumis better off despite giving priority to bumis for education, for uni entry, etc, the result after decades of keeping out non bumis is the local uni suffers from falling standards///

Even if there are no foreigners, it does not mean our uni’s standards will fall. Locals still study hard. SG is very competitive and elites are handsomely rewarded.

Quoting above:
///They have free education, $500+ monthly allowances, and NO real BOND!!! Then, they take undercut us (salary-wise) for jobs which could have been ours and jack-up the housing prices some more! All with the endorsement of our gahment///.

Yes, it’s as debatable as thinking that only the 95th percentile of our top schools’ students can compete with the foreign students. Therefore, to dismiss all speculations, our universities must be transparent about the successful scholars’ qualification. Otherwise, it is not wrong for us to think that the 70th to the 94th percentile of our top schools are better than the foreign students, given that sg claimed to be the elite in education and from personal experience encounters.

93) KopitiamApek,
“///////What we are unhappy with is that our govt is making it harder for locals to enter universities compared to foreign students//////////
I do not think it is harder now to get into uni. And if one’s grades are not too great, there is the path of going to poly and then back to uni, an option that was non existent then.”

You must be the bright spark who got into uni without problem, or the dim spark who got into uni via uturn huh? Or are you implying that many of our local students are so super stupid to have problem entering our local uni even despite the uturn?

///////first you says parents are too poor to send kids abroad
that i agreed with you
now you tell parents to make a uturn goin to poly
and then try to enter BACK to uni/////////

You may want to re-read what I wrote.

/////while foreign students just waltz in without a single english words tucked in/////////

really without a single english words ? so how do they communicate, by smoke signals?

wow!
who made you dean?
first you says parents are too poor to send kids abroad
that i agreed with you
now you tell parents to make a uturn goin to poly
and then try to enter BACK to uni
while foreign students just waltz in without a single english words tucked in

you called this an OPTION?
~zhee~

///////What we are unhappy with is that our govt is making it harder for locals to enter universities compared to foreign students//////////

There were foreign students in Singapore for decades.
When there was only one uni and 1 poly, getting in was really hard. You gotta be really among the top 2-3% of the cohort to enter uni and next 10% to enter poly. Those who could not gotta live with the O or A level cert. Unless your parents are loaded enough to go abroad, which were rare those days

I do not think it is harder now to get into uni. And if one’s grades are not too great, there is the path of going to poly and then back to uni, an option that was non existent then.

/////////// I wonder if the first comment was made by a Singaporean or a Vietnamese pretending to be a ‘Singaporekia’?/////////

It could be either.
Many Singaporeans would share his views of being open to non Singaporeans

Malaysia’s NEP has not got its bumis better off despite giving priority to bumis for education, for uni entry, etc, the result after decades of keeping out non bumis is the local uni suffers from falling standards

/////////our local students from the 70th to the 94th percentile of our top schools are better than the foreign students//////////

That is debatable

I know. Not only for citizen and PR, but also for foreign students as well. So like the Tuition Grant is free for all regardless of nationality. The fact remains that Singaporeans are subsidizing foreign students’ education in sg.

“There are other ways to pay for Uni education but what got me thinking is the amount of people who think that Uni education is an entitlement, and not something that one has to work hard to pay for.”

You have missed the point. I don’t think anyone is saying that “Uni education is an entitlement, and not something that one has to work hard to pay for”.

What we are unhappy with is that our govt is making it harder for locals to enter universities compared to foreign students. For example, when it comes to scholarship, only those within the 95th percentile of our local students in the top schools can have a chance to get them. My take is that our local students from the 70th to the 94th percentile of our top schools are better than the foreign students. Yet many of them will not get the scholarship. Another thing is that foreign students’ scholarship comes without bond, while there is a bond for locals.

One more issue: the difference in uni fees between local students and foreign students is only about 30%, while that of other countries, eg UK, is between 70 and 80%. Meaning, UK treats her own local students much better than sg treats hers.

//////You may say they pay taxes too. This is assuming they stay. Even if they pay taxes, while the gahment benefits with the money, how much of this money really flows to us??///////

This argument stands when gahmen money is viewed as not people’s money.
If viewed as the economy as a whole, there will be a net gain.