I’m also an admire of MM Lee, if without him and he’s foundations, his son would have been kicked out long ago.

I would think MM Lee would expect 10 out of 10 of the new MPs to vote him as their favourite ;-)

yah, i also admire the mm. who else in the world can manage to pass the baton to his son, while getting promoted to the position of mentor and draw obscene amounts as salary for as MM, GIC chairman and what not

wow, already boot licking before they even started. nice.

i am also an admiral of lee. being the Father of Singapore, i think we should replace the merlion and get him to spit water instead.

Laurence Wee is 63. In the mid 1950s, when David Marshall was Chief Minister, Laurence would only be about 13 years old or less.

Wow, at such a young age he already had political interest and impressions and was awed by Mr Lee!

What ? only 5 out of 9 NMPs got it right ! What’s wrong with the other 4 NMPs ?
Would they even be in parliament if not for the NMP scheme ?

If not for MM Lee, S’pore would not have the services of his daughter-in-law Ho Ching to run Temasek, Nathan to serve as President, ISA + ISD to keep all the pesky opposition politiicans at bay, MSM + fearless editors to ensure the truth, brilliant scholars to provide solutions to all problems, exemplary judicial system that IBA is envious, multi talented generals/admirals to serve in GLCs and in the cabinet.

I can too admire the old man in the zoo if he become the next Ah Meng orang utan. Our zoo need Ah Meng to increase attendance and profit. This old man make a good candidate as Ah Meng as he really look like one and very sure he can continue to rule the zoo with iron fist, even asking the lion, elephant, bear etc to shut up.

” in the 1950s and went away awed by Mr Lee. “I was impressed with MM Lee’s calmness and composure during the debate,” says Mr Wee,”

That is back then where the old man is strong proponent of human right and democracy. So what happen now ? Turn his back 180 degree and become strong opponent against human right and democracy once in entrenched in power? How come wee never mention his famous quote or did he choose not to ? wee, wee, wee…

““His wisdom, strength and courage in making decisions that shaped Singapore are greatly admired,” she says. “He was and is truly a leader among leaders.””

I thought this type of remark only appear in talkingcock.com.

The same old man that responsible for singapore’s success initially is the same old fart responsible for Singapore’s downfall… The paradox of Singapore but then isn’t this the same ending for all dictators ?

I am looking at the cup half full…

Better to have them respect him for his “wisdom, strength and courage” then to fear him.

If so, we will have silence from that corner of parliament.

Zen!

Perhap admiration for the Old Man is one of the criteria of being successfully
selected by the committee.Never mind in which place as long he is top 3 or 5
on your list. Can you imagine during interview you could tell the bald truth that
MM is a dictator, a suppressor of true democracy etc etc. You’ll be shown the door
in no time.
We all may never know

hahaha… I just had a ‘vision’ of how they asked the NMPs this question.

They sit in a room, not unlike those interrogation rooms in police stations. The ‘reporter’ pulls out a photo and start casually twirling it around on the table. It’s a picture of MM Lee. Then reporters stops playing with the photo, and the photo JUST so happens to be in an upright position relative to the NMP. Reporter then without looking at the photo, begins to casually taps on the photo with his/her index finger… and asks “say, who is your favourite politician?”

No wonder foreigners comment Singapore is a nation of sheep when
highy educted elites entering Parliament by the backdoor harbour such herd
mentality. Objectively speaking, if we were to list the top leaders past
and present, LKY would have no place at all. Is is mentioned in the
same breath as Winston Churchill?, Sun Yat-sen or Martin luther king?

Actuallyy 5 out of 9 is just as bad as 5 out of 10. Almost half, have nothing to say to MM Lee?

if leekuanyew norminate me as nmp
collectin a decent monthly free salary
i also vote him
and kissed hoching from foot to hand
which part of the equation is wrong?
why would i ungkat obama?
got free usa green card mey?
~zhee~

really, it is not uncommon for newspapers to quote out of original context….

These so called NMP, are just dog, yes, DOG who answer to their master wishes.

Did the reporter ask what is their favourite politcal party in Singapore?

Might as well ask ? more straightforward.

~bds – beerdrunksoul.com

I cringe, cringe, cringe! however it is newsworthy to know that ST even publish this meaningless in fact silly report.

Running dogs who already benefit and own their success because their favourite party pay for their education, connection and perk will speak for commoner ? Who are they trying to kid ?

It reminds me of one particular friend who always speak fond for his favourite party and it is not long to discover why as he own all his scholarship and perks from the establishment. And when ask why he support his party so much in a debate despite all the hiccups the PAP did, he answer he give as usual like most Pappies do : We must be positive and constructive. One day he lost his job and start having problem paying up his debt as he buy luxury and condo , he start to curse and swear why things are so \expensive in Singapore and the gov do nothing to help him. I remind him about been positive and constructive as he tell other to. Well, that is the last time I ever meet him and I doubt he want to meet me too in case I remind him of his own remark.

see! tsk tsk tsk! stop all these self praising thingy, too many liao, so boring . . . .

there were onced a diehard fan of the pap youth cadreships
whatever the pap implements
SHE would says
it for the BEST
than 1 fine day
PSA inc tell her
it for the BEST
that they retrenched her
for her performances was not up to mark
today?
you asked her
when is she goin to collect her overdued cpf savins?
she replied
you asked me
i beg who?
i says
today
you know the word
BEG?

TIME, is almost up for him lah…
TIME is also almost up for PAP….

Dying stars burns the brightest towards the end…

This year, or next year.. this is for sure.

Sycophants here , sycophants there and everywhere – this is the enigma of SG politic liao ……..

When I was 13 years old, I used to hang out by the kampongs to hear his speeches,”keep on working hard now, we collect your CPF now till your retirement, than you reap the fruits of your earlier hard labour, get your full CPF at 55 years – dont worry be happy.” How charming than, that young man!
Now I am reaching 60 years of existance, have not recieved my my full CPF, can’t find a full time job, working part time now. Hope to enrol for SPURS study, graduate after a one to two year course, and to be gainfully employed. Wish the competition won’t be too stiff with the FTs. Meantime I have to cope with price increases, to upkeep the administrators’ lifestyle.
ALL THESE YEARS OF NATION BUILDING, where has it got me to now? Pay and Pay and Paving the way for ignorant FTs.

Have these silly NMPs really not got anything better to say? Goes to show what standard of MPs we have in parliament. Can we really put our hope in these jokers to progress Singapore?

It says alot that these NMPs do not mind a self appointed MENTOR MININSTER in his 80s paying himself millions.

An academic, supposedly educated person like Associate Professor Paulin Tay Straughan, who is also vice dean of NUS’s Arts and Social Sciences faculty is supposed to be widely read, knowledgeable and analytical. I wonder if she is purposely unaware of issues like Operation Spectrum and all the propaganda machines that exist in their “First World” SG.

people who said that most likely think of “promotions” since most of them from civil service or glcs. i am sure they dont mean what they say but they need to be practical.

though he contributed enormously, he ruled singapore with an iron fist, he also made a lot of mistakes. so old liao, should spend more time with his wife and let his son do the real work.

btw, i am very interested in his total assets, maybe we would be shocked.

Notice a factual error here…

Benjamin Franklin was never the President of USA. He was the Postmaster General and US ambassador to France & Sweden.

In fact, the guy is a polymath & a genius. He being an inventor,scientist and a writer. The man invented the bifocal glasses (which your old man should thank him for).

Yet, LKY got far more votes than him?? Well, at least Ben got a vote…

aiyoyo

can we think in another angle;

without commoners paying so high tax $, where will these elites be?

alamak think its 2-way ma, got ‘good’ leader, plus good citizens,

then got good country ma.

if always got good citizens (pay tax $), how can tahun?

aiyoyo

I also admired LKY for putting these puppets on Show!

NMP scheme does not represent alternative view!

Hope he can kick the buket soon else Singaporean won’t go up!

When i saw this, i nearly suffer from major convulsion…

but we have to understand them, these NMP are just normal people, and for their agenda to be fulfilled….they need to align themselves

Amazing how these people are so blinded to an evil monster.

Might as well ask All of them whether they respect MM or Saddam Hussein? The answer will be unanimous!

Just like 9 out of 10 law students who list SATAN as their idol and mentor.

Is there anywhere we can get the information on Minitor’s financial worth? I never see him appearing on any list…

The NMP Selection Committee must be shaking in their boots now, waiting for the axe to fall. How come 4 out of 9 of their selections answered wrongly???? Go back and review your selection process, you are not choosing enough pro-PAP sycophants!

The interesting thing to note is
why 4 out of 9 do not pick him as their favorite.

by the way, who then is the mother of singapore? *scratch head*

4) Doublespeak

Sentiments exactly while reading the Straits Times today.. Hmm.

I love MM Lee before I reach puberty. But after learning more about politics and his policies towards Malays, I began to despise him. Enough said.

I learnt more about politicking after I started working and stopped being spoonfed with information.

#30) Hopeless

actually, A/Professor Paulin Straughan does not have a very good reputation among the Singapore sociology community and students, as she’s widely regarded as being uncritical and pro-Establishment.
It is therefore not surprising at all that she “gushes” when talking about LKY.

I worry she might give sociology a bad name, just as Thio Li-ann has done for law faculty

I see nothing wrong with admiring LKY. Despite whatever shortcoming he has, the reality is that he has brought Singapore economic success. As much as I am displeased with his human rights record, I’m not complaining about the fact that I have food on my table everyday.

But while I respect the man, but I disagree with many of the things he does. We need to be more measured in our criticisms, and I honestly find characterisations of LKY = Satan / evil monster just plain ridiculous. Such a title is only reserved for hitler.

Can we have Steve Chia and Kenneth Jeyaretnam to replace the 9 NMPs?

@ZL, you think Steve Chia is good enough?

all the NMP is selected to praise and suck up to PAP waht else is new

After all NMP is a farce!

the current female NMPs are good.

On a second thought… If only 5 out of 9 Singaporeans are PAP supporter for the next general election. Oh wait! 33% of our populations are foreigners because PAP allow them in!

Terence (#49),

I agree with you. I believe that many of us are making conclusions when we have no idea what he actually thinks. His policies may be outdated, but perhaps he does still really think of benefitting the country.

Of course, he should still adjust his mindset for the 21st Century. Although, he is old so well…

I agree with 49) Terence that we need to be more measured in our criticism. In some ways, I believe the press is trying to show that not every NMP is falling head over heels over Lee Senior and that there is a modicum of diversity and independent thinking among them.

Let’s wait and see the quality and quantity of speeches the NMPs make during their term before we pass quick judgment of their character and calibre.

Cheers.

TooLang, as you are a foreigner, naturally you must like it here to want to come here. You get more pay here, you get treated better here, of course you like it. Do you know it is so much easier for a China person to come and become a citizen here than for a Singaporean to become a Chinese citizen? You can get to live here and play here easily but for Singaporeans it is not as easy to settle in another country, even in China, India, Indonesia etc. So it is not true that so many foreigners trying every means to come and live in Singapore but Singapore trying every means to get foreigners to come to Singapore. Now do you understand what I am trying to say to you: TooLang foreign Talent!

Third world to first? Please donT kid yourself! Look around you, the old and infirm collecting cardboards and selling tissues for a living while the young are cramped in a one bedroom flat with no prospect of independence and self discovery. The older generations are the pillar and builder of the so called affluent country thru their belief and self sacrifice and their reward for it is abject poverty and no reward for their trust in a govt which promise them plenty but deliver nothing but more hardship. How anyone can adore such a man whose only concern is to hold onto power at any cost, regardless of its people beggars belief.

Character assassination belongs to the game of politics, especially character assassination of politicians and other public figures. There is a place for morality and ethics and politics is clearly an arena where morality and ethics do not belong. This is true for religious motivation too.

@49) Terence on July 10th, 2009 11.59 pm

I think at least Terence is using brains and not emotions here. It’s like a target out there, own time-own target, and first thing everyone shoots the referee! Ok, maybe ref. kelong one, but still…

Remember what happened to our previous president. Ask uncomfortable Q’s about reserves, and got shot down. So next guy sure Yes-Yes man, what. Same-same with the current batch of NMPs; not enough Yes, maybe sometimes a No. What U think next batch will be like? They stupid to say NO from the startline?

We should ask things like why nobody voted for the incumbent. After all, LHL has being in political arena for 20+ years, while Obama is less than a year. It’s like in the jungle and everyone is definitely concerned who the guide/compassman is. Everyone only thinks about yesterday’s compassman, who may or may not have best PR skills, but hey he sure can get evryone from pt.A to Pt.B. Now, nobody gives a shit about today’s compassman. WHY?

5 out of 9 is not an admirable number and I believe these 5 bootlickers have already gained an auto admission to become NMPs even before the decision was made.

@58) theforgottongeneration on July 11th, 2009 8.05 am

Errata: “…After all, LHL has being in political arena for 20+ years, while Obama is less than a year…”

More accurately, should be: “…. After all, LHL has held top post for about 5 years, while Obama is less than a year…”

5 friggin decades of Yada-yada-yada… and we’re still at Suare One.

WT?? Sure they have given the people “help” – such as ‘a glass of water to put out a forest fire’ kind of ‘help’…

Token Acts people… Token Acts.

8) Daniel, you’re so right! Look at that photo, touch your heart & say that doesn’t look like Ah Meng. & I’ll ask you if you can sleep at night. & you’re right about the part of him ruling the animal kingdom with an iron fist & shutting any animal up who dares dissent openly.

If the choice of favorite politicians isn’t limited to Singapore, why would anyone wanna pick one from this poor excuse for a country? It’s a poor excuse for a country for the way it’s run.

I’d pick Sitting Bull of the native Americans for defending his land & people bravely & lived with the new conquerors of the New World peacefully, at least before he was assassinated. I suppose Sitting Bull can be a candidate for favorite politician eh. I just don’t understand. Why Ah Meng?

Yep, take off the statute of Stamford Raffles and put one of the Great Leader, Dear Leader Lee Kuan Yew in place of it.

#48 Terence,
‘Despite whatever shortcoming he has, the reality is that he has brought Singapore economic success. As much as I am displeased with his human rights record, I’m not complaining about the fact that I have food on my table everyday.’

singapore is also blessed with a strategic geographical location. If it were located in such a great location, what happens? oh, the people’s hardwork too.

you work, so you have food on your table. Even a toilet cleaner can have food on his table when he works.

correction : If it were NOT located in such a great location, what happens?

Hi Score Point #64,

Excellent points there. Former WP Candidate Tang Liang Hong once said, “If the Cock don’t crow, will the sun not rise?”

The people who select and the selected NMPs are all part of the PAP system. Seriously, can Singaporeans expect anything out of the norm from this chronic illness of preferred self-appointments?

If the majority of Singaporeans remain pathetic with blind faith, it’ll be most unfortunate for the others. All will be processed into “lamb-chop” for being lame sheep.

The next election is a time for self-awakening!

I have 3 words for this; CRONIES, CRONIES AND CRONIES.

I admire MM, without him there is no NMP

I’ve always been skeptical of “independent” individuals or councils.

One fine example would be the “independent” council for the reviewing of political films.

Looks like I’ve found myself another example.

Talk about having alternative views.

Why is this old man still around calling shorts from behind and drawing big pay. I think he should step down ASAP. Let the next Generation run the show. Don’t involved and get scolded.

if he’s not their favourite politician, think they can get to be nmp, meh? time for the old man to retire and fade into the background. he gives more trouble to singapore now than contribution!
bye bye mr. lee. just fade away and give up your millions back to society, then i can respect you again!

This NMP scheme is yet another tactic to ensure that PAP rules forever. PAP wants to voters to believe that we can do without opposition part MPs. The reality is these NMPs are selected by PAP…..so they will not threaten PAP’s continued dominance.

You can tell that one of the NMPs (Calvin) is so desperately to gain political prominence!!

Nothing suprising as birds of the same feather flock together. They are what I would say.. kaki nang..and members indeed do have its privileges.

Hi sycophant,

I share your sentiments on Associate Professor Paulin Tay Straughan.

A brief review of her sociology publication reveals her conservative leanings.

The last representative from the academic circle was also conservative.

(the worst of conservatives – religious conservative)

Here are some excerpts from 2005 TV interview with A/Prof Paulin Tay Straughan:

I think we also have to understand the role of the state. When we deal with issues like homosexuality, while on one hand, we expect the Government to, you know, to appreciate and embrace every single member of society, right? And that is the right thing, right?

And there are members of the society who will expect the Government to be…they look towards the Government as some kind of, you know, moral authority, right?, you know, on what should be and what shouldn’t be encouraged. So acceptance is one thing. Promoting is another thing. And these two need not be the same.

What a gross misconception! Despite her PhD, does she not know that secular government has no role in exerting moral leadership?

Lee Kuan Yew has outlived his usefulness. He has exceeded his used by dates
by a wide margin. That is why he keep on making stupid mistakes like proclaiming Singapore to be in a golden era. We are now in the worst depression ever. It will be negative growth in the double digit for this year and
it will be a long while before we climb out of this shit-hole the pap has led us into.

sycophant @46

Thanks for the interesting info. Was her Professorship as well as Thio’s Doctorate awarded in SG? If this does not give SG’s education or higher ed a bad name, it at least will NOT elevate the status of SG’s education. What world class education is this when we have profs & post docs do not have independent thinking? How to produce any ground breaking papers? To give review of a person, we need to consider the good as well as the bad, not just the good and blank out the rest.

Yes we have food to eat (many other countries citizens also do), but do people think that if the British had continued ruling, we don’t? Look at Hongkong!

To those who advise remembering the source of the water when drinking it, what about Mao or Sadam’s people? I mean if not for their leadership they won’t have a country to live in or food to eat? So should they praise and uphold them without reservation

These 5 NMPs sure got vision and foresight for voting MM Lee as their favourite, if not they will not be re-elected the next round. Get it ?

>>What ? only 5 out of 9 NMPs got it right ! What’s wrong with the other 4 NMPs ?

They probably “joined” out of curiosity :)

7) monopoLee
///If not for MM Lee, S’pore would not have the services of his daughter-in-law Ho Ching to run ////

Her service to the nation will be remembered by a road in Taman Jurong bearing her name, by coincidence

47) Terence

/////I see nothing wrong with admiring LKY. Despite whatever shortcoming he has, the reality is that he has brought Singapore economic success. As much as I am displeased with his human rights record, I’m not complaining about the fact that I have food on my table everyday.

But while I respect the man, but I disagree with many of the things he does. We need to be more measured in our criticisms, and I honestly find characterisations of LKY = Satan / evil monster just plain ridiculous. Such a title is only reserved for hitler./////

I am with you on this, Terence.

The opposition members that some disrespectfully labelled as , i quote, ‘clowns’ are actually what we have. Yes, it is possible even more capable opposition potentials exist and are like-minded with existing opposition nationals.The fact remains, these simply would not step forward due to A-Z reasons.

We cannot demand people step forward to sacrifice or serve the rest.
But this also speaks a lot about the people we have.

When one is fed with luxury, they would not bite the hand……….

human nature for mere mortals.

What is LACKing is a few good men and women.

Sad situation. Sure to Change but may take another 50 years.

The world is full of history and examples that CHANGE is INEVITABLE.

Some may be naive enough to actually believe that there will be no change as they base their thinking on the present. If we look at history and forward into the future, we can see all the possibilities.

Man is Mortal. This is our only chance.

PAP creates NMPs is like telling us that their MPs are not good enough.

Please allow me to add and clarify my 1st sentence above:

“The opposition members that some disrespectfully labelled as , i quote, ‘clowns’ are actually what we have. ”

==> The opposition members that some disrespectfully labelled as , i quote, ‘clowns’ are actually what we have. But I dun mean they are clowns. They are the ones who stepped forward to offer us a Choice. Yes, no one is perfect. But these stood forward and sacrificed on more ways than 1. And instead of thanking them or respecting their guts and righteous mindedness, people , who may have ulterior motive like score point, are trying desperate ways to smear their name. This is a loser’s behavior. Losers have no confidence of winning fairly and on leveled playing field.

In addition, comparing our opposition and anywhere else in the world, these are considered very well mannered, tamed and well behaved and credible and regarded (at least for Mr Low , Chiam and Sylvia and our late JBJ as well as several others).

While many singaporeans, may not be united , in my view, nor righteous minded or daring nor willing to sacrifice for the community, the fact remains that many feel that something better is what we can aim for.

82) ZL on July 11th, 2009 10.32 pm
“PAP creates NMPs is like telling us that their MPs are not good enough.”

You raised an interesting point.

I wonder why need more nmp’s when his team should be the best already enough to serve the whole country based on justice and equality without bias and with transparency?

Why not let the people decide and make changes only after the election?

I liken the rule of Singaporeans by the PAP to this scenario:

A mother had a baby bird and showered it with a lot of care. Soon the baby bird grew big enough to want to fly on its own. Mother bird says “NO! You need not learn how to fly because I can carry you around.” Baby bird protested but Mother bird retorted: “You never realise how lucky you are to have such a caring mother like me. Learn how to appreciate the good things that I ave given to you!”

This went on for years until one day Mother bird discovered that she is no longer the strong mother that she used to be and could no longer carry the baby bird any longer. But until then, baby bird still cannot fly. Mother bird then starts blaming baby bird for being too dependent on her….

It seems that many singaporeans hold grudges against LKY, I guess for valid reasons. Yes, the Ho Ching thing is an embarrassment, but I kinda like the man and I think he did Singapore great (I say Singapore, not Singaporean). But then again, I am a foreigner.

Love has done more harm then hate…..

This man alone did not build Singapore…there were so many others…who got neglected selectivly…

LKY used to love Singapore….now…i guess he loves his son, his family and his legacy too much……

It is time for us to see….and time for him to reflect…..and his family too….

The day I saw the son take over…I felt he carried an enormous burden….but after a few years of LHL’s administrations……..i realise the son
CANNOT DO IT….

Things have changed….PAP cannot adopt…the leadership is weak…..LKY for all the admiration wants to fail……

What am I to say…you can see it and will see it…..

How Time Tricks Us and Our Eyes Plays Tricks To Reassure The Time…..

“PAP creates NMPs is like telling us that their MPs are not good enough.”

Isn’t we know all along that the MPs are there to entrench the kangaroo party in power because to ensure that all policies by the kangaroo will all just go through due to majority vote in parliament. Isn’t GST pass this way ?

What nonsense about view when it is just view ? Reminds me of company manager who says he appreciates views but ultimately only his view is value and implement accordingly. The view is just view to show that there is divesity of view, nothing more. Get it ?

Quote :
#48 Terence,
‘Despite whatever shortcoming he has, the reality is that he has brought Singapore economic success. As much as I am displeased with his human rights record, I’m not complaining about the fact that I have food on my table everyday.’

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHA!! Please grow up! That man is not God as he is made up by the state controlled sycophantic media to be. This negative aspect of subservient, head-to-floor banging Confucian mentality should not be allowed to pervert the mind. This is not to say all aspects of “confucian-ism” are bad.

How dare you all give bad critics of LKY ?
If without LKY, there will be no Singapore !

Correct ?

公鸡不叫，难道太阳不起吗？

“How dare you all give bad critics of LKY ?
If without LKY, there will be no Singapore !”

If without Singapore, there is no LKY.

“公鸡不叫，难道太阳不起吗？”
Haha,… that is so true. We can do without LKY and his expensive clowns and sissy son and still we will delve and survive.

at his age, he is still controlling ISD and key government agencies. i wonder what is the reason? why… can someone tell me?

92) Daniel on July 12th, 2009 8.28 am

If without Singapore, there is no LKY.
=======================================

I think you mean, also, without Sang Nila Utama, there is no Singapura which implies no Singapore and none of us.

Technically, I dun think anyone can say you are wrong.

Impressed!

Lets not forget our other founder Sir Stanford Raffles !

without him ….

The founder(s) of Singapore are the SINGAPOREAN people.

These soon-to-be Parliament Critters sure know who butters their toast.

One of the selected NMP, Calvin Cheng was an active member of the Young PAP before he was selected. At the time of the selection process, he was stil a YPAP member. This has contravened the stated objective of the scheme which is to “nominated candidates as NMPs to reflect independent and non-partisan views in Parliament as far as possible.”

We already have too many PAP MPs in Parliament. Do we need an additional voice to add more weight to the ruling party? Was the scheme not introduced to allow alternative voices to be heard to satisfy the public demand for more different views to be expressed in the Parliament?

All applicants for the NMP position have to state clearly their past and present memberships in societies, including political parties. There is no reason for the Special Select Committee to overlook this. If it is a deliberate decision, then it has totally defeated the purpose of setting up such a scheme. It may even call into question the sincerity and conviction of the recently-announced changes in our political system by the government.

What happens if the candidate is a Workers Party member? Wil the Special Select Committee approve his application? The Committee has to be fair and be seen to be fair!

The government must convince the public that it has a genuine desire to make our electoral system more acceptable to the electorates.

Koochi Poochie Koo,
you are right.
Everything start from the root. Remember what Issac Newtons says that he stand in the Standing on the shoulders of giants (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Standing_on_the_shoulders_of_giants), and that he merely built what is done by his predecessor, and he never claim all credits to himself.

OUr clowns are so different claiming all credit to themselves, and all blames to others. Just look at the old fart who preaches that investment take 30 years only to see the investment sell off in less than 30 years, and then disappear and shut up and prepare to admonish those under him who dare to raise the question of his dubious foresight. Just look at Sissy Lee who hold the torch in major event even though he contribute nothing and when crisis happen, he just disappear.

And what most appalling to us is that we have Singapore clown supporters who believe they standing in the Shoulders of the Lees and attribute everything good to the Lees, and everything bad to the world.

Before LKY took over as PM in July 1959, Singapore was already a leading
city port in Asia.
So many Singaporeans living overseas and without LKY’s leadership have done
much better than had they stay on in Singapore. Latest is the man who made his millions after leaving Singapore and just found his long lost family.
HK, Taiwan, Korea and many other countries without LKY has progressed and
prospered. In some cases they are financially better off and they have got their freedom, human rights and dignity.
So Singaporeans should stop underrating themselves by attributing all the achievements in Singapore to LKY. There are many others who are responsible. Above all it is the hardworking, diligence, integrity and sacrifices of Singaporeans who made this success possible. Without Singaporeans, LKY is NOTHING.

Frankly,this NMP manoeuvring is a very curious but sleek political concoction created only by the PAP on this planet earth,to try to avert any “tsunami”.What other country has such ruse to trick the electorate?
Do not fall for it.
If you want alternative views with iron bites,not effeminate nibbles,a true and strong opposition entrenched in parliament is still needed.Pseudo-opposition like the NMP system will only perpetuate the single-party authoritarian rule in Singapore for all eternity.
For all eternity…………..

[...] of having it completely dominated by one party. Yet when right after their appointment we get a report that states 5 out of 9 list the MM as their favourite politician you wonder what’s the point. I guess it may even surprise some people that it isn’t 9 [...]

@Harry, well said.

The whole concept of NMP is preservation of the ONE-PARTY whilst giving the false impression of ‘democracy’. In actual fact, few can see that this country is virtually a dictatorship in disguise.

President Barack Obama, Nelson Mandela and Franklin Roosevelt are the political pple I look up to. But for social activism, I actually prefer Archbishop Tutu, Martin Luther King Jr, and Mother Theresa.

The late Princess Diana is also another one. MM Lee is, to me, only a good politician who’s highly skilled in the political during his prime. But I don’t and never will ever worship or idolise a politician. And his legacy, as compared to past greats in the international era, pales in comparison to President FDR. FDR was the one who was the main reason on why the Allies managed to beat the Axis in WWII; MM Lee for all his achievements, cannot top that.

in the footnote of world’s great leaders…that’s where he will be mentioned!

Question : “what about the other 4 out of 9 MNPS who did not vote for MM ?”

Answer : “they voted for the PM lor”. (they had no choice cos someone has to lick the other pair of VIP boots !!). LOL.

Of course MM Lee will be the favourite politician of
those who are well fed like the pigs in “animal farm”,
those who treat Spore like a hotel,
those FT who get better treatment than local peasants,
those who play the part of pigs in “animal farm”,
those who play the role of guard-dogs, bootlickers to the pigs,
those who enjoy similar benefits in any part of the world they belong to.

this also nice to debate about? good news! shows singkpore peeps still v suupportive of local “brands” and “legacies” instead of foreign trash.

>>>>>98) Concerned

shows that he is dishonest. dishonest peeps should never serve as mps.

I respect LKY as a political leader. I would have much preferred that in the ST article, a section had been included in the NMPs’ views on at least 1 issue which they disagree, or find controversial with the leader they admired. Does not have to apply only to LKY. If no, then just state no and why. This allows readers to assess for themselves if this person has exercised sound thinking, and at the same time provide insights on the person concerned, in the event he doesn’t fully agree with a particular area. I am a subscriber that in good faith, diversity of views, not uniformity, will add quality to discussions.

[i]) kf on July 12th, 2009 7.38 pm I respect LKY as a political leader. I would have much preferred that in the ST article, a section had been included in the NMPs’ views on at least 1 issue which they disagree, or find controversial with the leader they admired. Does not have to apply only to LKY. [/i]

indeed
a very very smart moves
perhaps you missed the leekuanyew interviews with undergraduates last few years ago
when 1 of our brilliant undergrads asked leekuanyew a very good question
on how good leekuanyew is?
what did leekuanyew says?
who are you
where do you lived
what is YOUR name
~zhee~
you called this a fruitful discussion?
what did leekuanyew
did to capitan ryangoh of sia
when ryangoh were the pilot union chief?
first he had him FIRED
than he had ryangoh permanant status REMOVED INDEFITENITELY!
FORCING RYANGOH TO MIGRATE TO AUSTRALIA
and what happened to ryangoh’s young SINGAPOREAN born daughter?
she too was forced to become a quitter and migrate to australia
now which part of leekuanyew as a political leader needs respect?
please GUIDE us….
thank you

#100) Harry
#103) zachary
‘ @Harry, well said.’
#80) KopitiamApek
#47) Terence
‘I am with you on this, Terence.’
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LKY made a very big mistake. He should have gracefully retired from the govt and politics when he handed over the premiership to GCT. Then, he won’t be characterised by critics as Satan, evil monster, etc…. The longer he remains in govt the lesser will be his legacy to the country.

LKY succeeded and lasted so long because he used evil dictatorial measures to get his way. Besides those instances mentioned here like the sacking and cancelling of SIA Captain Ryan Goh, there are many other instances in the past where he used forced to achieve his aim. Let me just highlight one for the benefits of younger Singaporeans . This involved a very well known and wealthy Singaporean philantrophy, Tan Lark Sye. Tan Lark Sye founded Nantah and donated the land for the building of huge Kong Meng San Buddhist Temple Complex. In the 1963 GE he was braved enough to finance and support a group of brave young fresh Nantah graduates to challenge LKY and the PAP. 13 of them were elected into Parliament including Chia Thye Poh. However immediately after the close of election, LKY abused the ISA to launch operation Cold Storage to round up all the leaders of the opposition. Tan Lark Sye paid a very heavy price for his brave stance against LKY. Not only did LKY abused the government machineries to kill his business empire, LKY also took away Tan Lark Sye’s passport and citizenship. I called LKY an evil monster for very good reasons.

# 114) Harry

Do you know who was heading the ISA then? Are they still partners today?

Why so many nominated and not let singaporeans vote for MPs instead of NMP?
I wonder only lah. Cans or nots?

Who else would you expect 5 out of 9 of them to pick as their favourite politician? This is Singapore and we don’t believe in things like ….fighting back or for the people. Let’s look at the likely candidates they could have picked.

1-Nelson Mandela – Nope……lead a revolutionary struggle against a racist regime

2 – An Sang Su Kui – Nope…she refuses to do as she’s told and accept that the full power of the state is always right/

3 – Jose Ramon Horta/Xana what’s his name. – Nope…fought against established regime and I don’t think they went to Cambridge

4 – Dalai Lama – Nope….silly man wanted to make China look bad for doing things like shooting people at will and replacing religious culture with karaoke bars

5 – Barak Obama – Nope – says he wants to change things a few times too many

6 – John McCain – Nope – Once said that torture is wrong and ineffective

7 – Pope – Nope – Believes that he’s accountable to God……

So when you look at things this way, they’re right to list MM as their favourite politician of all time ….now if only the other four could see things the responsible way ;)

One of the candidates did say Nelson Mandela. Another said Barack Obama.

Don’t you think there too many MP running acountry like SIngapore, which is equivalent to Kuala Lumpur in Malaysia.

I wonder, why they need so many MP to run SIngapore, it is a waste ot public funds – the should retrenched some of the MP, abd led oine MP to run 2 constituency. That is what happen oin our job now, they call it multi- tasking

Though I agreed that LKY is the greatest visionary leader of our times, he may have overstay his term here.

Good leaders learn how to exit in their prime and not over extend their stay in leadership.

When they over stay, they tend to hold on to their long held power and never learn to let go to their appointed leaders. It is tough for successful leader to let go…that is why countries like N Korea has appointed their sons to take over the power. We may go that pathway here.

Mahathir chose to let go but we all know that he tried to condemn the previous appointed PM till he has no choice but to go off.

Though I admired LKY for his drive and vision, he has definitely hold on too long to power here.

114) Harry on July 12th, 2009 9.31 pm
This old man will pay for his due when time is up, very soon.

Ok, I buy the point on him having ‘overstayed’. In addition, I did not see a major difference in contributions as a mentor to ministers (through the output of the ministers) compared to previous ministers who had no ‘mentor’ (?).
It’s a package that Singapore took in having him, and there were accomplishments during his watch, in which the economy would not have surged ahead of many other countries if not for his foresight. Again, I am not saying that I agreed with everything he did, or say.

Sure LKY and his old guards did good things for Singaporeans in the early days. In the 60’s LKY and his pap are just like any other political parties assuming power in that they fumbled from one end to the other. Things stabilised in the early 70’s and improve from the mid 70’s until the late 80’s. Singaporeans were generally very happy with the way LKY and his team was running Singapore. Many did improved their quality of lives. However things started to take a bad change for average Singaporeans when LKY forced his older colleagues into premature retirement and replaced them with gutless young technocrates. That is when LKY changed from his socialist inclination into a purely capitalist one.
Free public hospitals were restructed into paying ones by Goh Chok Tong as health minister. All government services were priced at commerical rates. Welfare were publicised as a dirty word. Checks and balances were eradicated. Government began to intrude into commerical business like daily press and public transportation. In the old days the PAP government works for the average Singaporean. Now they worked for themselves, those around them, the rich and foreigners. I used to support them and have high regards for LKY until I knew of the many evil things they did without Singaporeans knowledge. Bukit Ho Swee is one of them. The PAP is very good in marketing themselves way above their worth. They are also very good in hiding their rotten arses.

The old directors of ISA who carried out LKY evil deeds are all dead except for one, Nathan.

NMP issue.
This country Singapore are multi-racial.
We have Malay, Chinese, Indian, Caucasian and Others.
The NMP must multi-racial.
Non Contituency Member Of Parliament, they do not belong to any contituency but must be pro citizen of singaporean.
What are the pro citizen of singaporean issue?
These NMP have to ask themself.

If LKY had retired after being PM, I think people might have high regard
for him. But because he refused to let go and cosmetically appoint
shadow replacements (seriously LHL is not acting like a PM), more
people will see the negative side of him especially the way he treated
the opposition people who were mercilessly despatched away without
compassion> Whats more govt policies are more and more
getting money-oriented resulting in hardships for many people.
Presently only presses are singing his praises.
I think there will be a long line of people waiting to piss at his grave
when he is 6 feet under

whatever wonderful things u feel lky has done for singapore, its all in the past and he and his family has been MORE THAN OBSCENELY compensated for it in terms of money and status.
lets move on and no need to worship him anymore lah!

now u understand why pap still need him around and election may be sooner than u think. must make him help them win one more term before he up the lorry.
hopefully next election result will give him a heart attack instead.

NMP Calvin Cheng already had the makings of an arrogant PAP MP when he takes offence for his calvalier attitude as reported by journalist Balji.

How can he now defend that his curiousity to join as a member of PAP Youth is a plus point when he has at the same time admitted that he was an inactive member all along. I take it as that his curiousity defence is an obvious excuse for his ultimate motive in joining the PAP Youth as a stepping stone towards bigger opportunities as an elite member of the establishment.

May I ask Calvin Cheng, how can someone join a political party for fun (another pun for curiousity) ?

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i also vote MM as my favourite politician, i hope his party will take note and make me a heavy weight in GLC or ministries for my undivided loyalty. btw i am also very curious if this would happen. ha ha

#124)Harry

The answer is out as to how and why Nathan is where he is today.

Nathan’s friendship with LKY dated back to the days when both of them work for the Japanese occupation forces. They were enjoying their lives while many Singaporeans were struggling to survive under the atrocious and wicked Japanese occupation forces. A large number of Singaporeans were murdered or tortured to death. There were a few mass grave sites in Singapore. One in situated in a hill in the East Coast.

Jocelyn Yeo? She’s from that nationalistic church of hers. Wouldn’t expect less.

The balls carrying is amazingly refreshing. I left this country cos it’s not a free country.. It’s a patriarchy and a benevelent dictatorship. One cannot enjoy being who he is without being scrutinized by anally retentive commie spy types

96) borderless on July 12th, 2009 9.56 am

The founder(s) of Singapore are the SINGAPOREAN people.

100)Harry on July 12th, 2009 1.32 pm

Damn right both of you !

stop complaining and vote the PAP out. and that will never happen coz singaporeans are after all sigaporeans lah,,,

OMG!

BOTH of them had been working for the Japs?!! One is bad enough… now then we know its actually TWO!

OMG!

Harry, cautious in what u said … u may be sent out by a porter

Can’t really blame them….This happens…..brainwashing or ass kissing

In Mao China, there were those who worship Mao like a god
In Nazi Germany, there were those who worship the fuhrer
In North Korean, there are those who worship their great leader…..

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