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		<title>By: X</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Aug 2009 06:50:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>PAP = Pathetic Authoritarian Party</description>
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		<title>By: DavidSeeLeongKit</title>
		<link>http://theonlinecitizen.com/2009/07/reconsider-cctvs-at-hong-lim-park/comment-page-1/#comment-92239</link>
		<dc:creator>DavidSeeLeongKit</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Aug 2009 13:54:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&gt;  THE PAP POT CALLING OTHER KETTLES BLACK:

     During 2006 General Election, Ng Eng Hen make fun of Workers Party, saying WP = Wayang Party.

     But we all know the PAP is THE ACTUAL political party full of cunning, &quot;wayang shows&quot; (in Malay), &quot;chor hee&quot; (in Hokkien) and  &quot;tokenism&quot; (in English).

&gt;   So you Singapore poor peasants want a Speaker&#039;s Corner?
     No Problem --- we will give you such a corner  BUT you will be subjected to this and that rules.
     And we will install CCTVs (under the convenient excuse of maintaining law and order) but actually to keep an eye on our critics  --- if you talk too much or say something we don&#039;t like to hear,  we can quickly &quot;cook up&quot; a defamation suit and &quot;invite&quot; you to stay in Changi Prison  (with free lodging, free makan, everything free!)

&gt;  So you fellas want a woman Minister?
    No Problem --- we can quickly produce one to make you fellas feel happy just before the next General Election --- so that more  &quot;brain-washed and brain-dead&quot; citizens will vote for us and we can continue to rule S&#039;pore for another  1,000 years!


&gt;  CONCLUSION:  PAP GOVT is full of FORM but short in SUBSTANCE.

     FORM =  cunningly-clever;  wayang;  tokenism;  insincere empty promise of an &quot;open and inclusive Singapore&quot; by  World&#039;s Highest Paid Politician.

    SUBSTANCE =  competently-clever in solving Singapore&#039;s many national problems;    showing due respect and giving proper replies for  the  feedback/suggestions of the People.....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&gt;  THE PAP POT CALLING OTHER KETTLES BLACK:</p>
<p>     During 2006 General Election, Ng Eng Hen make fun of Workers Party, saying WP = Wayang Party.</p>
<p>     But we all know the PAP is THE ACTUAL political party full of cunning, &#8220;wayang shows&#8221; (in Malay), &#8220;chor hee&#8221; (in Hokkien) and  &#8220;tokenism&#8221; (in English).</p>
<p>&gt;   So you Singapore poor peasants want a Speaker&#8217;s Corner?<br />
     No Problem &#8212; we will give you such a corner  BUT you will be subjected to this and that rules.<br />
     And we will install CCTVs (under the convenient excuse of maintaining law and order) but actually to keep an eye on our critics  &#8212; if you talk too much or say something we don&#8217;t like to hear,  we can quickly &#8220;cook up&#8221; a defamation suit and &#8220;invite&#8221; you to stay in Changi Prison  (with free lodging, free makan, everything free!)</p>
<p>&gt;  So you fellas want a woman Minister?<br />
    No Problem &#8212; we can quickly produce one to make you fellas feel happy just before the next General Election &#8212; so that more  &#8220;brain-washed and brain-dead&#8221; citizens will vote for us and we can continue to rule S&#8217;pore for another  1,000 years!</p>
<p>&gt;  CONCLUSION:  PAP GOVT is full of FORM but short in SUBSTANCE.</p>
<p>     FORM =  cunningly-clever;  wayang;  tokenism;  insincere empty promise of an &#8220;open and inclusive Singapore&#8221; by  World&#8217;s Highest Paid Politician.</p>
<p>    SUBSTANCE =  competently-clever in solving Singapore&#8217;s many national problems;    showing due respect and giving proper replies for  the  feedback/suggestions of the People&#8230;..</p>
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		<title>By: Edward</title>
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		<dc:creator>Edward</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Aug 2009 09:34:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>4) jim007jimmyboy 
&#039; you can pray but PAP will never remove it&#039;
....................................................

Only the Germans can make the PAP remove it. It was reported that a former German Chancellor persuaded the old man to release Chia T P who later obtained a scholarship to do research in Germany.

Only the Ang Moh countries and China can apply pressure on the govt.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>4) jim007jimmyboy<br />
&#8216; you can pray but PAP will never remove it&#8217;<br />
&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;.</p>
<p>Only the Germans can make the PAP remove it. It was reported that a former German Chancellor persuaded the old man to release Chia T P who later obtained a scholarship to do research in Germany.</p>
<p>Only the Ang Moh countries and China can apply pressure on the govt.</p>
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		<title>By: videoman</title>
		<link>http://theonlinecitizen.com/2009/07/reconsider-cctvs-at-hong-lim-park/comment-page-1/#comment-92159</link>
		<dc:creator>videoman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Aug 2009 06:26:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[i]Do we now operate like the East German Stasi, where even yr friends and family monitor your daily activites?[/i]
friend have you been sleepin with rapunzha?
berlin walls has been torn down
i still have the leftover brick
in china
children betrayed their parents to the kongann just to be a pingpong player
those were THE days............
even the chinese premeir today is considerin pardonnin those who are in deathrow waitin to buy their owned bullet...
in singapore you cant even buy your own rope if you were on deathrow
just a $20 voucher for your LAST meal on earth....
how much is the infamous chickenrice in mandarin hotel?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[i]Do we now operate like the East German Stasi, where even yr friends and family monitor your daily activites?[/i]<br />
friend have you been sleepin with rapunzha?<br />
berlin walls has been torn down<br />
i still have the leftover brick<br />
in china<br />
children betrayed their parents to the kongann just to be a pingpong player<br />
those were THE days&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;<br />
even the chinese premeir today is considerin pardonnin those who are in deathrow waitin to buy their owned bullet&#8230;<br />
in singapore you cant even buy your own rope if you were on deathrow<br />
just a $20 voucher for your LAST meal on earth&#8230;.<br />
how much is the infamous chickenrice in mandarin hotel?</p>
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		<title>By: Tamasick</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tamasick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Aug 2009 05:15:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>SPF SHOULD install CCTVs @ this place!!!!

http://www.razor.tv/site/servlet/segment/main/news/34072.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>SPF SHOULD install CCTVs @ this place!!!!</p>
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		<title>By: patriot</title>
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		<dc:creator>patriot</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Aug 2009 05:07:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Colonel Jessup:

me said that politicians and activitists should not fear those cctvs in HLP as human cctvs are used on them whenever and wherever the Authority deemed neccessary. Knowing that, means the fear of those cctvs and getting intimidated in HLP due to the cctvs should be overcame.

Fear not the cctvs but, the people that use the cctvs and even then, one should not fear monitoring devices when one does no wrong. We may have to learn from Chee Soon Juan to rightly not fear injustice.

patriot</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Colonel Jessup:</p>
<p>me said that politicians and activitists should not fear those cctvs in HLP as human cctvs are used on them whenever and wherever the Authority deemed neccessary. Knowing that, means the fear of those cctvs and getting intimidated in HLP due to the cctvs should be overcame.</p>
<p>Fear not the cctvs but, the people that use the cctvs and even then, one should not fear monitoring devices when one does no wrong. We may have to learn from Chee Soon Juan to rightly not fear injustice.</p>
<p>patriot</p>
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		<title>By: Colonel Jessup</title>
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		<dc:creator>Colonel Jessup</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Aug 2009 04:46:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#1 patriot

If you think there is nothing wrong for politicians and activities to be monitored then where do we draw the line? How abt paparazi? How abt the guys who were sent to ISA coz they video taped Yishun MRT? Do we now operate like the East German Stasi, where even yr friends and family monitor your daily activites?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#1 patriot</p>
<p>If you think there is nothing wrong for politicians and activities to be monitored then where do we draw the line? How abt paparazi? How abt the guys who were sent to ISA coz they video taped Yishun MRT? Do we now operate like the East German Stasi, where even yr friends and family monitor your daily activites?</p>
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		<title>By: hopeless</title>
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		<dc:creator>hopeless</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Aug 2009 04:39:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>why not put a camera at my hdb block so my bicycle would&#039;nt not got stolen.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>why not put a camera at my hdb block so my bicycle would&#8217;nt not got stolen.</p>
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		<title>By: ErniesUrn</title>
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		<dc:creator>ErniesUrn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Aug 2009 02:07:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Maybe I should vote out PAP and invite more opposition voices. 

As a citizen I concern of the security of the PAP MPs, as the lack the energy to uphold the interest of SIngaporeans is making them loose billions of taxpayers money, and that is very worrying as a Singaporean. Financial security is import.

I think an injection of a healthy dose of opposition memebers would make PAP a safer and more condusive govrnment, so that lesser taxpayers money is lost. 

Remeber security is important too for PAP MPs. If I don&#039;t vote in more oppositions into the government, more made people will torch more MPs. So for the sake of &quot;saftey and secuirty&quot; of PAP MPs, more opposition members must be voted in in, if not, MIW will get torched. I do this for PAP MPs saftey and not becuase of upgrading.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Maybe I should vote out PAP and invite more opposition voices. </p>
<p>As a citizen I concern of the security of the PAP MPs, as the lack the energy to uphold the interest of SIngaporeans is making them loose billions of taxpayers money, and that is very worrying as a Singaporean. Financial security is import.</p>
<p>I think an injection of a healthy dose of opposition memebers would make PAP a safer and more condusive govrnment, so that lesser taxpayers money is lost. </p>
<p>Remeber security is important too for PAP MPs. If I don&#8217;t vote in more oppositions into the government, more made people will torch more MPs. So for the sake of &#8220;saftey and secuirty&#8221; of PAP MPs, more opposition members must be voted in in, if not, MIW will get torched. I do this for PAP MPs saftey and not becuase of upgrading.</p>
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		<title>By: GABRIEL</title>
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		<dc:creator>GABRIEL</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Aug 2009 01:53:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The CCTVs installed in the name of security and public safety has, unfortunately, generated or should I say, degenerated into, discussion about fear. The ordinary man fears being identified as a trouble-maker if spotted by the CCTVs in HLP. The  authorities is seen as being afraid of massive public protests taking place at HLP and hence has installed the CCTVs as a deterrent measure.
What really is the truth of the matter?
But first, tell me, how the hell do we rid ourselves of this fear?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The CCTVs installed in the name of security and public safety has, unfortunately, generated or should I say, degenerated into, discussion about fear. The ordinary man fears being identified as a trouble-maker if spotted by the CCTVs in HLP. The  authorities is seen as being afraid of massive public protests taking place at HLP and hence has installed the CCTVs as a deterrent measure.<br />
What really is the truth of the matter?<br />
But first, tell me, how the hell do we rid ourselves of this fear?</p>
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		<title>By: Albino Hum of  Pinkie Dowager the Man</title>
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		<dc:creator>Albino Hum of  Pinkie Dowager the Man</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Aug 2009 01:12:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>should install at Geylang, Joo Chiat and Dormitory areas first.
are these done yet?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>should install at Geylang, Joo Chiat and Dormitory areas first.<br />
are these done yet?</p>
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		<title>By: aiyoyo</title>
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		<dc:creator>aiyoyo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Aug 2009 00:44:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>aiyoyo

cctv needed at the lifts/lobby, so many people smoking inside lifts, littering, urine etc

not sure how &#039;they&#039; justify cctv at parks instead of improving commoners livelihood?

aiyoyo</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>aiyoyo</p>
<p>cctv needed at the lifts/lobby, so many people smoking inside lifts, littering, urine etc</p>
<p>not sure how &#8216;they&#8217; justify cctv at parks instead of improving commoners livelihood?</p>
<p>aiyoyo</p>
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		<title>By: David</title>
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		<dc:creator>David</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 31 Jul 2009 18:19:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Having CCTVs installed in HDB lobby will catch more crimes than having them wasted and stood idle in HLP.  So what is PAP so afraid off that they need to spend so much energy and money just to focus on HLP.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Having CCTVs installed in HDB lobby will catch more crimes than having them wasted and stood idle in HLP.  So what is PAP so afraid off that they need to spend so much energy and money just to focus on HLP.</p>
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		<title>By: mice is nice</title>
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		<dc:creator>mice is nice</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 31 Jul 2009 17:34:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i do believe the Clark Quay where the pubs are need the CCTVs more than HLP. besides, alcohol, men &amp; testosterone are highly &quot;combustible&quot; combination. 

the pub owner may even welcome them (the CCTVs) to deter fights from happening. ain&#039;t that probusiness too?

^.^</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i do believe the Clark Quay where the pubs are need the CCTVs more than HLP. besides, alcohol, men &amp; testosterone are highly &#8220;combustible&#8221; combination. </p>
<p>the pub owner may even welcome them (the CCTVs) to deter fights from happening. ain&#8217;t that probusiness too?</p>
<p>^.^</p>
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		<title>By: pnj</title>
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		<dc:creator>pnj</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 31 Jul 2009 15:16:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>was this only posted in the online version or in the newspaper as well?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>was this only posted in the online version or in the newspaper as well?</p>
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		<title>By: jim007jimmyboy</title>
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		<dc:creator>jim007jimmyboy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 31 Jul 2009 15:08:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>you can pray but PAP will never remove it</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>you can pray but PAP will never remove it</p>
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		<title>By: Lee Fu Yah</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lee Fu Yah</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 31 Jul 2009 14:53:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[[[2) belinda cheng tua lip - very big is relativity on July 31st, 2009 10.51 pm If the majority signs a petition to call for the abolishment of these cameras, what will be the result if any?]]]

I am afraid i am not optimistic like you.
I have never seen Majority of Singaporeans EVER signed any petition.
But I can stand corrected if any of you can prove to me there is EVER such a success. I welcome you. I open this challenge to all. prove to me.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[[[2) belinda cheng tua lip - very big is relativity on July 31st, 2009 10.51 pm If the majority signs a petition to call for the abolishment of these cameras, what will be the result if any?]]]</p>
<p>I am afraid i am not optimistic like you.<br />
I have never seen Majority of Singaporeans EVER signed any petition.<br />
But I can stand corrected if any of you can prove to me there is EVER such a success. I welcome you. I open this challenge to all. prove to me.</p>
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		<title>By: belinda cheng tua lip - very big is relativity</title>
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		<dc:creator>belinda cheng tua lip - very big is relativity</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 31 Jul 2009 14:51:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If the majority signs a petition to call for the abolishment of these cameras, what will be the result if any?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If the majority signs a petition to call for the abolishment of these cameras, what will be the result if any?</p>
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		<title>By: patriot</title>
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		<dc:creator>patriot</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 31 Jul 2009 14:21:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It is my belief that active opposition politicians and activists are monitored by human cctvs from time to time. This should be a very normal practice in any country.

Commonsense will tell that surveillance is most effective when trained officers are doing the monitorings. To think that surveillance/monitoring is carried out only in HLP is not an accurate reading.

And to know that surveillance is ongoing wherever and whenever it is intended by the Authority means the fear of CCTVs (Devices) at HLP is unneccessary. Though some(not all) maybe intimidated, I am of the opinion that people/citizens should not fear when they DO NOT carry out any illegal/unlawful activity. HLP is designated for activities that are approved by the Authority, for members of the public to meet/gather for participations of the activities or just to see/listen whats going on there. And afterall, that’s a park for people to use whether or not they are there for the activities.

I was there on few occassions, sometimes to watch the activities and sometimes just to laze around. There were occassions that I felt shadowy people around, I maybe guilty of been over suspicious. BUT, as we know, so far nothing untowards had happened and honestly, anything can happen to anyone beyond and outside HLP after the activities there, who is to know when and where You will be set upon ?

patriot</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is my belief that active opposition politicians and activists are monitored by human cctvs from time to time. This should be a very normal practice in any country.</p>
<p>Commonsense will tell that surveillance is most effective when trained officers are doing the monitorings. To think that surveillance/monitoring is carried out only in HLP is not an accurate reading.</p>
<p>And to know that surveillance is ongoing wherever and whenever it is intended by the Authority means the fear of CCTVs (Devices) at HLP is unneccessary. Though some(not all) maybe intimidated, I am of the opinion that people/citizens should not fear when they DO NOT carry out any illegal/unlawful activity. HLP is designated for activities that are approved by the Authority, for members of the public to meet/gather for participations of the activities or just to see/listen whats going on there. And afterall, that’s a park for people to use whether or not they are there for the activities.</p>
<p>I was there on few occassions, sometimes to watch the activities and sometimes just to laze around. There were occassions that I felt shadowy people around, I maybe guilty of been over suspicious. BUT, as we know, so far nothing untowards had happened and honestly, anything can happen to anyone beyond and outside HLP after the activities there, who is to know when and where You will be set upon ?</p>
<p>patriot</p>
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