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	<title>Comments on: We have built a house but not a home, says Reform Party</title>
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		<title>By: Sean</title>
		<link>http://theonlinecitizen.com/2009/08/possible-to-effect-change-through-reform-says-reform-party/comment-page-3/#comment-104622</link>
		<dc:creator>Sean</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Sep 2009 15:25:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Koyomin,

You are the classic Xenophobe nurtured and created by years of adhering to the status quo. Its just pretty sad that you hold such a view. But you are entitled to that view for we are a democracy... Everyone is entitled to their views no matter how warped they are.. Agree to disagree and move on.

This is my view that I have posted on some other forums;

I believe singaporeans in general have become too comfortable with the status quo and are afraid if it changes everything will cease to work. Xenophobia is what we are afflicted with.... After all we have only been exposed to 1 government. What will happen if the PAP falls? we won&#039;t know. Will the country collapse when the ruling party loses power? That is what I feel, many of us are afraid of(like koyoming), and they are using it to their advantage. However, the truth is, if the current government were to lose it majority, Singapore will still continue on. Only its leaders will change, all its civil services/statutory boards and its related machinery will remain... ( I give it to the ruling party for building up a solid bureaucracy) Singapore will continue chug along with or without the PAP. So as long as there are credible enough alternatives, I say give them a chance. Bring diversity to parliament, and not the dreary white wash we see today. I believe Singaporeans are a truly resilient lot, but we are just being stifled and caged. We need a little more freedom. And for that to happen, something has to change...

As Donaldson Tan mentioned earlier,
&quot;It is a fallacy to assume any Government can control the economy and thus a greater fallacy to attribute economic success to the Government of the Day.&quot;

The Singapore of today was built by the old guard of yesteryear. Stalwarts such as Goh Keng Swee and Rajaratnam just to name a couple, and even the younger lky when he was still &quot;for the people&quot;. But now, the leaders who are all seating in parliament are all inheritors of said success of yesteryear, they wriggled into the fray through &quot;walkovers&quot;... pathetic excuses for politicians... And now, they are squandering and eroding the rights of its people. treating us as digits that affect the bottom line,

Another thought provoking motion I would like to throw into the wind...
The victors are the ones who write history.. we may well have been raised in a farce  from the very beginning... Who are we to say that what we have learnt about Singapore&#039;s early years to be true? Were the communists really communists? or were they just far left nationalists that the British wanted to be rid of... how convenient... 

And with that I would like to conclude by saying...

We all have to have a stake in our future, A stake in Singapore. Believe in Change. 

We can change...but first, we must want change, 1 vote at a time at the upcoming elections.. :-) That vote is your stake in our future.. vote wisely.

There is always hope.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Koyomin,</p>
<p>You are the classic Xenophobe nurtured and created by years of adhering to the status quo. Its just pretty sad that you hold such a view. But you are entitled to that view for we are a democracy&#8230; Everyone is entitled to their views no matter how warped they are.. Agree to disagree and move on.</p>
<p>This is my view that I have posted on some other forums;</p>
<p>I believe singaporeans in general have become too comfortable with the status quo and are afraid if it changes everything will cease to work. Xenophobia is what we are afflicted with&#8230;. After all we have only been exposed to 1 government. What will happen if the PAP falls? we won&#8217;t know. Will the country collapse when the ruling party loses power? That is what I feel, many of us are afraid of(like koyoming), and they are using it to their advantage. However, the truth is, if the current government were to lose it majority, Singapore will still continue on. Only its leaders will change, all its civil services/statutory boards and its related machinery will remain&#8230; ( I give it to the ruling party for building up a solid bureaucracy) Singapore will continue chug along with or without the PAP. So as long as there are credible enough alternatives, I say give them a chance. Bring diversity to parliament, and not the dreary white wash we see today. I believe Singaporeans are a truly resilient lot, but we are just being stifled and caged. We need a little more freedom. And for that to happen, something has to change&#8230;</p>
<p>As Donaldson Tan mentioned earlier,<br />
&#8220;It is a fallacy to assume any Government can control the economy and thus a greater fallacy to attribute economic success to the Government of the Day.&#8221;</p>
<p>The Singapore of today was built by the old guard of yesteryear. Stalwarts such as Goh Keng Swee and Rajaratnam just to name a couple, and even the younger lky when he was still &#8220;for the people&#8221;. But now, the leaders who are all seating in parliament are all inheritors of said success of yesteryear, they wriggled into the fray through &#8220;walkovers&#8221;&#8230; pathetic excuses for politicians&#8230; And now, they are squandering and eroding the rights of its people. treating us as digits that affect the bottom line,</p>
<p>Another thought provoking motion I would like to throw into the wind&#8230;<br />
The victors are the ones who write history.. we may well have been raised in a farce  from the very beginning&#8230; Who are we to say that what we have learnt about Singapore&#8217;s early years to be true? Were the communists really communists? or were they just far left nationalists that the British wanted to be rid of&#8230; how convenient&#8230; </p>
<p>And with that I would like to conclude by saying&#8230;</p>
<p>We all have to have a stake in our future, A stake in Singapore. Believe in Change. </p>
<p>We can change&#8230;but first, we must want change, 1 vote at a time at the upcoming elections.. :-) That vote is your stake in our future.. vote wisely.</p>
<p>There is always hope.</p>
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		<title>By: Thinktok</title>
		<link>http://theonlinecitizen.com/2009/08/possible-to-effect-change-through-reform-says-reform-party/comment-page-3/#comment-104552</link>
		<dc:creator>Thinktok</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Sep 2009 06:35:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>All these very clever rhetorics do not add up to anything.  Nation building must go through stages and we Singaporeans can congratulate ourselves that we have arrive at a more than satisfactory stage.  Just look at Malaysia, Indonesia and Phillipines.

It is up to the newer generations to bring Singapore forward.  To deride the work done by the MIW or whatever colour is absolutely wrong.

KJ or Kill Joy, afterall is the son of the most bitter opposition in Singapore.  Can he be sure that he harbour none of the bitterness??  

I can see the bitterness slowly leaching out.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>All these very clever rhetorics do not add up to anything.  Nation building must go through stages and we Singaporeans can congratulate ourselves that we have arrive at a more than satisfactory stage.  Just look at Malaysia, Indonesia and Phillipines.</p>
<p>It is up to the newer generations to bring Singapore forward.  To deride the work done by the MIW or whatever colour is absolutely wrong.</p>
<p>KJ or Kill Joy, afterall is the son of the most bitter opposition in Singapore.  Can he be sure that he harbour none of the bitterness??  </p>
<p>I can see the bitterness slowly leaching out.</p>
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		<title>By: amteel</title>
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		<dc:creator>amteel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Sep 2009 06:31:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Quite right. PAP built us houses but not homes. Did Reform Party even build a sand castle?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Quite right. PAP built us houses but not homes. Did Reform Party even build a sand castle?</p>
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		<title>By: OriginalResonance</title>
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		<dc:creator>OriginalResonance</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Aug 2009 08:07:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Deluded. LOL :D</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Deluded. LOL :D</p>
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		<title>By: tellthetruth</title>
		<link>http://theonlinecitizen.com/2009/08/possible-to-effect-change-through-reform-says-reform-party/comment-page-2/#comment-101313</link>
		<dc:creator>tellthetruth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Aug 2009 07:45:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I would rather die in one slash of a sword than to bleed slowly to death by those bloodsucking bugs that came about after independence.They&#039;re still sucking and we&#039;re still dying slowly.
KJ have mercy,bring this to an end of our agony.Pls hurry b4 our blood runs dry.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would rather die in one slash of a sword than to bleed slowly to death by those bloodsucking bugs that came about after independence.They&#8217;re still sucking and we&#8217;re still dying slowly.<br />
KJ have mercy,bring this to an end of our agony.Pls hurry b4 our blood runs dry.</p>
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		<title>By: True Patriot Down South</title>
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		<dc:creator>True Patriot Down South</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Aug 2009 05:59:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>koyomin, you personify everything that is wrong with the mindset of the people who refuse to think beyond the dinner table and refuse to accept that it is time Singaporeans accept the responsiblity of becoming politically mature.
Get this into your head Sir, No PAP does NOT mean No Good Life in Singapore.
Understand Sir that Singapore is the Collective Effort of the People here over the last few decades. 1965 is a long time ago, Sir, the Nation has changed,the Republic has changed and the People are changing. The PAP and their supporters may think that the bench mark is set exclusively by them and surface economic progress their undefeatable weapon but know this Sir, 44 years is not a very long time, Tyrannical Empires lasting 100s of years still eventually fall to rot and the sword of the Patriot so like it or not Sir, time is on our side.

Sic semper tyrannis!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>koyomin, you personify everything that is wrong with the mindset of the people who refuse to think beyond the dinner table and refuse to accept that it is time Singaporeans accept the responsiblity of becoming politically mature.<br />
Get this into your head Sir, No PAP does NOT mean No Good Life in Singapore.<br />
Understand Sir that Singapore is the Collective Effort of the People here over the last few decades. 1965 is a long time ago, Sir, the Nation has changed,the Republic has changed and the People are changing. The PAP and their supporters may think that the bench mark is set exclusively by them and surface economic progress their undefeatable weapon but know this Sir, 44 years is not a very long time, Tyrannical Empires lasting 100s of years still eventually fall to rot and the sword of the Patriot so like it or not Sir, time is on our side.</p>
<p>Sic semper tyrannis!</p>
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		<title>By: fatal mistake to be a sheep</title>
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		<dc:creator>fatal mistake to be a sheep</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Aug 2009 08:01:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ 92),
just to wake you up from your slumber.

Having 82 PAP stooges vs 2 Opp is already a fatal mistake. Not doing anything about a selfserving govt will be the second fatal mistake, got it ?

The world has no sympathy for a Spore that can make 2 fatal mistakes.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ 92),<br />
just to wake you up from your slumber.</p>
<p>Having 82 PAP stooges vs 2 Opp is already a fatal mistake. Not doing anything about a selfserving govt will be the second fatal mistake, got it ?</p>
<p>The world has no sympathy for a Spore that can make 2 fatal mistakes.</p>
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		<title>By: SS Stirrer</title>
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		<dc:creator>SS Stirrer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Aug 2009 07:49:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>KoyoMIn

Wake up and smell the roses instead of dwelling on the past...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>KoyoMIn</p>
<p>Wake up and smell the roses instead of dwelling on the past&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: SS Stirrer</title>
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		<dc:creator>SS Stirrer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Aug 2009 07:48:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>KoyoMIn

Fact #1 : IF you dont use your muscle, it wastes away. 

Fact #2 : If you dont exercise your rights, it will be taken away

Looks like your brain hasnt been used.  

go figure what I am trying to tell you. exercise your brains instead of your tongue - bootlicking</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>KoyoMIn</p>
<p>Fact #1 : IF you dont use your muscle, it wastes away. </p>
<p>Fact #2 : If you dont exercise your rights, it will be taken away</p>
<p>Looks like your brain hasnt been used.  </p>
<p>go figure what I am trying to tell you. exercise your brains instead of your tongue &#8211; bootlicking</p>
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		<title>By: Kenneth Jeyaretnam</title>
		<link>http://theonlinecitizen.com/2009/08/possible-to-effect-change-through-reform-says-reform-party/comment-page-2/#comment-98362</link>
		<dc:creator>Kenneth Jeyaretnam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Aug 2009 18:50:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Have your  house. Then furnish it with a heart, liberty and hope and it wil become a home.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Have your  house. Then furnish it with a heart, liberty and hope and it wil become a home.</p>
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		<title>By: OriginalResonance</title>
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		<dc:creator>OriginalResonance</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Aug 2009 01:40:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Call it reductio ad absurdum but many atrocities have been exacted in the name of nationalistic pride, ethnic purity and religious duty just to name a few. Reason and logic have often been subjugated to the whims of the tyranny of emotions. Really,  I&#039;d rather have a house than have a home. Maybe I&#039;m cynical. But then again, I&#039;m Singaporean. :D</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Call it reductio ad absurdum but many atrocities have been exacted in the name of nationalistic pride, ethnic purity and religious duty just to name a few. Reason and logic have often been subjugated to the whims of the tyranny of emotions. Really,  I&#8217;d rather have a house than have a home. Maybe I&#8217;m cynical. But then again, I&#8217;m Singaporean. :D</p>
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		<title>By: mating@inbox.com</title>
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		<dc:creator>mating@inbox.com</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Aug 2009 01:27:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>hi all,
  why are we complaining about the perceived unfairness in the distribution of wealth between the have and have not? 
This is a natural result of a capitalism society, It&#039;s a fact that 20% of the population control 80% of the world&#039;s wealth. 

As for the suggestion for Reform Party to form an alliance with SDP, i don think i want to risk my future and my kid&#039;s future to a “lets-come-together-and-form-a-political-party” group.

The world is in a constant race, and we cannot afford to make any major mistake.
One fatal mistake is enough to destroy the good reputation that Singapore have built over the past 50 years.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>hi all,<br />
  why are we complaining about the perceived unfairness in the distribution of wealth between the have and have not?<br />
This is a natural result of a capitalism society, It&#8217;s a fact that 20% of the population control 80% of the world&#8217;s wealth. </p>
<p>As for the suggestion for Reform Party to form an alliance with SDP, i don think i want to risk my future and my kid&#8217;s future to a “lets-come-together-and-form-a-political-party” group.</p>
<p>The world is in a constant race, and we cannot afford to make any major mistake.<br />
One fatal mistake is enough to destroy the good reputation that Singapore have built over the past 50 years.</p>
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		<title>By: Reena</title>
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		<dc:creator>Reena</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Aug 2009 20:16:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Guess !!!  &quot;Bankruptcy&quot;  must be all time high.  LSH reports on 4mil minor offences in 4 mil SingCity.  Why are crime rate so high ?  Wat education did we instill or is it poverty. ?

Wats the ratio of Citizens compard to Foreignors.  Wat&#039;s d revenue ?
ERP, Tpt, Itx, Ptx, Gst, ura, hdb, all fines in a FINE city, Pwr Sply, conservancy, radio &amp; tv license, hosp bills,  parking, sch fees, tuition fees, etx etc alamak...   Poor Citizens.......</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Guess !!!  &#8220;Bankruptcy&#8221;  must be all time high.  LSH reports on 4mil minor offences in 4 mil SingCity.  Why are crime rate so high ?  Wat education did we instill or is it poverty. ?</p>
<p>Wats the ratio of Citizens compard to Foreignors.  Wat&#8217;s d revenue ?<br />
ERP, Tpt, Itx, Ptx, Gst, ura, hdb, all fines in a FINE city, Pwr Sply, conservancy, radio &amp; tv license, hosp bills,  parking, sch fees, tuition fees, etx etc alamak&#8230;   Poor Citizens&#8230;&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: Saturn</title>
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		<dc:creator>Saturn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Aug 2009 18:24:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well said KJ,  
We are counting on your leadership what your Hero Dad left.  
He is indeed the Last action hero &amp; a singapore&#039;s icon.

How many of us actually even own or build houses or flats to call it a home.  Mortgages &amp; arrears are on most HDB flat owners.  So a majority of Citizens are dying to pay the HDB houses till over 60 yrs of age.  There is no indication from the HDB as to how many have paid their flats in full before the age of 60, let alone how many have flats are on arrears over 3 months.  No indication as how many citizens have been evicted.  So where are our actual shelters ???  

Even burial grounds are temporary in the land scare singapore.  Reclamation land should be included for permanent burials.  Please look into the welfare of the poors.  Our handouts like GST &amp; others are often taken brutally by tax authorities on the other hand.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well said KJ,<br />
We are counting on your leadership what your Hero Dad left.<br />
He is indeed the Last action hero &amp; a singapore&#8217;s icon.</p>
<p>How many of us actually even own or build houses or flats to call it a home.  Mortgages &amp; arrears are on most HDB flat owners.  So a majority of Citizens are dying to pay the HDB houses till over 60 yrs of age.  There is no indication from the HDB as to how many have paid their flats in full before the age of 60, let alone how many have flats are on arrears over 3 months.  No indication as how many citizens have been evicted.  So where are our actual shelters ???  </p>
<p>Even burial grounds are temporary in the land scare singapore.  Reclamation land should be included for permanent burials.  Please look into the welfare of the poors.  Our handouts like GST &amp; others are often taken brutally by tax authorities on the other hand.</p>
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		<title>By: JustALandNotMyHome</title>
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		<dc:creator>JustALandNotMyHome</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Aug 2009 13:46:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Please take away GRC boundaries bullshit after you beat them which i do not know when.  Increase CPF interest and lower the age to take the money out or if the citizen got special reason for taking them out earlier.  Stop the power company for making bullshit claim on shit tag to petrol price, raising when petrol raise and come out with a stupid formula to drop only a little when the petrol price drop heavily.  Lower transport cost.  Give out more licence for transport/communication/media for competition.
Please stop company from monopolising the market. 
Do full investigation on where is singaporean citizen money spent.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Please take away GRC boundaries bullshit after you beat them which i do not know when.  Increase CPF interest and lower the age to take the money out or if the citizen got special reason for taking them out earlier.  Stop the power company for making bullshit claim on shit tag to petrol price, raising when petrol raise and come out with a stupid formula to drop only a little when the petrol price drop heavily.  Lower transport cost.  Give out more licence for transport/communication/media for competition.<br />
Please stop company from monopolising the market.<br />
Do full investigation on where is singaporean citizen money spent.</p>
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		<title>By: Simple Historian</title>
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		<dc:creator>Simple Historian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Aug 2009 10:07:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>RP &amp; PR
I wonder what is Reform Party&#039;s view on the influx of permanent residents &amp; its effect on Singapore&#039;s democracy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>RP &amp; PR<br />
I wonder what is Reform Party&#8217;s view on the influx of permanent residents &amp; its effect on Singapore&#8217;s democracy.</p>
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		<title>By: Nantah Ghost</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nantah Ghost</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Aug 2009 03:21:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ah---------aH--------------------ha</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ah&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;aH&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8211;ha</p>
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		<title>By: Ak</title>
		<link>http://theonlinecitizen.com/2009/08/possible-to-effect-change-through-reform-says-reform-party/comment-page-2/#comment-97527</link>
		<dc:creator>Ak</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Aug 2009 01:59:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To Koyomin,

I apologize for being uncouth, and I want to reiterate that its not meant to be a personal attack.

You got the better of me with your views.

Please explain to me the multi-million dollar paycheck to our ministers?

I can&#039;t comprehend their reasoning. 

Are public servant attracted to joining the government because of the exhorbitant pay?

Is it not because of their passion to serve?

Time and again we have ministers advocating the citizen to bite the bullet and take pay cut becos of downturn.

Can the ministers lead by example?

Have you been to the heartlands? CAn I suggest you go for a cup of coffee and observe what is going on. Its heart rendering when you see old men and ladies resorting to selling tissues and fighting over an empty can drink. 

WhileOur ministers and elitist family members live in nice condos and bungalows, plays golf, travel 1st class, fine dine and what not.

Have they ever thought of the gravity of disparity?

Ever thought why there are so much grouses on this forum?

As 1 of your fellow peer puts in bluntly, get out of my uncaring elitist face.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To Koyomin,</p>
<p>I apologize for being uncouth, and I want to reiterate that its not meant to be a personal attack.</p>
<p>You got the better of me with your views.</p>
<p>Please explain to me the multi-million dollar paycheck to our ministers?</p>
<p>I can&#8217;t comprehend their reasoning. </p>
<p>Are public servant attracted to joining the government because of the exhorbitant pay?</p>
<p>Is it not because of their passion to serve?</p>
<p>Time and again we have ministers advocating the citizen to bite the bullet and take pay cut becos of downturn.</p>
<p>Can the ministers lead by example?</p>
<p>Have you been to the heartlands? CAn I suggest you go for a cup of coffee and observe what is going on. Its heart rendering when you see old men and ladies resorting to selling tissues and fighting over an empty can drink. </p>
<p>WhileOur ministers and elitist family members live in nice condos and bungalows, plays golf, travel 1st class, fine dine and what not.</p>
<p>Have they ever thought of the gravity of disparity?</p>
<p>Ever thought why there are so much grouses on this forum?</p>
<p>As 1 of your fellow peer puts in bluntly, get out of my uncaring elitist face.</p>
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		<title>By: Amused</title>
		<link>http://theonlinecitizen.com/2009/08/possible-to-effect-change-through-reform-says-reform-party/comment-page-2/#comment-97293</link>
		<dc:creator>Amused</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Aug 2009 09:46:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>koyomin

&quot;if you choose leaders from people who barely make it in life, who sometimes can’t pay their water bills, do you think their primary focus will be for the greater good of the country or to feed their wife &amp; children first?&quot;

If you can&#039;t see that this is already happening in SG without anyone being able to check or correct it, then there&#039;s no point debating with you as you&#039;ve proven yourself very willing to remain in your deep, comfy well.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>koyomin</p>
<p>&#8220;if you choose leaders from people who barely make it in life, who sometimes can’t pay their water bills, do you think their primary focus will be for the greater good of the country or to feed their wife &amp; children first?&#8221;</p>
<p>If you can&#8217;t see that this is already happening in SG without anyone being able to check or correct it, then there&#8217;s no point debating with you as you&#8217;ve proven yourself very willing to remain in your deep, comfy well.</p>
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		<title>By: william the con</title>
		<link>http://theonlinecitizen.com/2009/08/possible-to-effect-change-through-reform-says-reform-party/comment-page-2/#comment-97279</link>
		<dc:creator>william the con</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Aug 2009 09:27:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ak

No need for personal attacks.  It reflects badly on you and your opinions.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ak</p>
<p>No need for personal attacks.  It reflects badly on you and your opinions.</p>
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