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		<title>By: ann</title>
		<link>http://theonlinecitizen.com/2009/08/the-singapore-of-our-national-pledge/comment-page-3/#comment-107314</link>
		<dc:creator>ann</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Sep 2009 14:10:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>what does the singapore pledge means to you?</description>
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		<title>By: The Singapore Daily &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Weekly Roundup: Week 35</title>
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		<dc:creator>The Singapore Daily &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Weekly Roundup: Week 35</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Aug 2009 03:54:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Sgpolitics.net: We, the Citizens pledge.. - TOC: Once upon a time in Singapore [Recommended] - TOC: The Singapore of our National Pledge - Singapore Alternatives: Defendimg Our Nation&#8217;s Core Values - Democracy, Peace, Progress, [...]</description>
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		<title>By: mice is  nice</title>
		<link>http://theonlinecitizen.com/2009/08/the-singapore-of-our-national-pledge/comment-page-3/#comment-100376</link>
		<dc:creator>mice is  nice</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Aug 2009 08:10:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>hi Daniel,

must use metal detector on that roboLee...  :P</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>hi Daniel,</p>
<p>must use metal detector on that roboLee&#8230;  :P</p>
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		<title>By: Daniel</title>
		<link>http://theonlinecitizen.com/2009/08/the-singapore-of-our-national-pledge/comment-page-3/#comment-100196</link>
		<dc:creator>Daniel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Aug 2009 16:54:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>mice is nice,

&quot;can the Advance Medical Directive (AMD) come into effect for someone’s brain that have all but rotten away?&quot;

Look at what the product of our money-focus biotech industry has done to the old fart ! It actually escalate the old fart&#039;senility and nonsense capability !</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>mice is nice,</p>
<p>&#8220;can the Advance Medical Directive (AMD) come into effect for someone’s brain that have all but rotten away?&#8221;</p>
<p>Look at what the product of our money-focus biotech industry has done to the old fart ! It actually escalate the old fart&#8217;senility and nonsense capability !</p>
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		<title>By: mice is  nice</title>
		<link>http://theonlinecitizen.com/2009/08/the-singapore-of-our-national-pledge/comment-page-3/#comment-100195</link>
		<dc:creator>mice is  nice</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Aug 2009 16:39:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>hi Daniel,

post #105

can the Advance Medical Directive (AMD) come into effect for someone&#039;s brain that have all but rotten away?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>hi Daniel,</p>
<p>post #105</p>
<p>can the Advance Medical Directive (AMD) come into effect for someone&#8217;s brain that have all but rotten away?</p>
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		<title>By: Chenging</title>
		<link>http://theonlinecitizen.com/2009/08/the-singapore-of-our-national-pledge/comment-page-3/#comment-99924</link>
		<dc:creator>Chenging</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Aug 2009 02:19:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi 104, NMP Calvin Cheng is finished even before he started. Of coz after he started... he was finished even faster. LOL</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi 104, NMP Calvin Cheng is finished even before he started. Of coz after he started&#8230; he was finished even faster. LOL</p>
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		<title>By: Chenging</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chenging</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Aug 2009 02:19:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi 104, NMP Calvin Cheng is finished even before he started. Of coz after he started... he was finished even faster. LOL</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi 104, NMP Calvin Cheng is finished even before he started. Of coz after he started&#8230; he was finished even faster. LOL</p>
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		<title>By: rwkc</title>
		<link>http://theonlinecitizen.com/2009/08/the-singapore-of-our-national-pledge/comment-page-3/#comment-99920</link>
		<dc:creator>rwkc</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Aug 2009 02:13:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[#105]

Kudos to you,  Daniel.

You have made an excellent observation. 

Yup, there is no doubt, LKY spouted a lot of nonsense.</description>
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<p>Kudos to you,  Daniel.</p>
<p>You have made an excellent observation. </p>
<p>Yup, there is no doubt, LKY spouted a lot of nonsense.</p>
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		<title>By: Daniel</title>
		<link>http://theonlinecitizen.com/2009/08/the-singapore-of-our-national-pledge/comment-page-3/#comment-99885</link>
		<dc:creator>Daniel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Aug 2009 22:16:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;His draft came to me; I trimmed out the unachievable, and the Pledge as it stands is his work after I&#039;ve trimmed it. What is it? An ideology? No, it&#039;s an aspiration. Will we achieve it? I do not know. We&#039;ll have to keep on trying. Are we a nation? In transition.&quot;

Did LKY himself make a feudian slips ?
Look at the above statement he make which is full of nonsense.

HOw can something be aspiration and not achievable especially after the old fart already &quot;trimmed out the unachievable&quot;, and even more so after more than 4 decades ? 
It is not that it is unachievable but the old fart and his pappies are making it unachievable deliberately. How can the pledge be achievable if even the old fart and machinery even don&#039;t believe it and work to achieve it ? If one don&#039;t believe in something, obviously he won&#039;t work for it, or am I not right ?

Old fart, 
you can fool the people once, but you cannot fool the people twice. Should be known as Older Farter.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;His draft came to me; I trimmed out the unachievable, and the Pledge as it stands is his work after I&#8217;ve trimmed it. What is it? An ideology? No, it&#8217;s an aspiration. Will we achieve it? I do not know. We&#8217;ll have to keep on trying. Are we a nation? In transition.&#8221;</p>
<p>Did LKY himself make a feudian slips ?<br />
Look at the above statement he make which is full of nonsense.</p>
<p>HOw can something be aspiration and not achievable especially after the old fart already &#8220;trimmed out the unachievable&#8221;, and even more so after more than 4 decades ?<br />
It is not that it is unachievable but the old fart and his pappies are making it unachievable deliberately. How can the pledge be achievable if even the old fart and machinery even don&#8217;t believe it and work to achieve it ? If one don&#8217;t believe in something, obviously he won&#8217;t work for it, or am I not right ?</p>
<p>Old fart,<br />
you can fool the people once, but you cannot fool the people twice. Should be known as Older Farter.</p>
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		<title>By: Oxford Dude</title>
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		<dc:creator>Oxford Dude</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Aug 2009 18:56:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Observer #103,

NMP Calvin Cheng&#039;s speech on Nation-building tenets is Politics 101 - Equality of Outcome versus Equality of Opportunity. This is what that differentiates communism from socialism. No rebuttal of Viswa&#039;s speech is good. Every PAP Parliamentarian is incapable of rebutting VIswa, including Lee Kuan Yew who responded by using politicking tactics to shift the attention away.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Observer #103,</p>
<p>NMP Calvin Cheng&#8217;s speech on Nation-building tenets is Politics 101 &#8211; Equality of Outcome versus Equality of Opportunity. This is what that differentiates communism from socialism. No rebuttal of Viswa&#8217;s speech is good. Every PAP Parliamentarian is incapable of rebutting VIswa, including Lee Kuan Yew who responded by using politicking tactics to shift the attention away.</p>
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		<title>By: Observer</title>
		<link>http://theonlinecitizen.com/2009/08/the-singapore-of-our-national-pledge/comment-page-3/#comment-99866</link>
		<dc:creator>Observer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Aug 2009 17:56:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In the furore around the speech, I think other good speeches have been forgotten. Sam Tan&#039;s rebuttal of Viswa was very well crafted , NMP Audrey Tan&#039;s speech on how the arts can be used to uphold the ideals of our pledge, NMP Calvin Cheng&#039;s sppech on the definitions of democracy and equality. NMP Pauline Straughn&#039;s speech has been posted on this wbsite on a separate article.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In the furore around the speech, I think other good speeches have been forgotten. Sam Tan&#8217;s rebuttal of Viswa was very well crafted , NMP Audrey Tan&#8217;s speech on how the arts can be used to uphold the ideals of our pledge, NMP Calvin Cheng&#8217;s sppech on the definitions of democracy and equality. NMP Pauline Straughn&#8217;s speech has been posted on this wbsite on a separate article.</p>
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		<title>By: kampung sumatra</title>
		<link>http://theonlinecitizen.com/2009/08/the-singapore-of-our-national-pledge/comment-page-3/#comment-99593</link>
		<dc:creator>kampung sumatra</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Aug 2009 02:59:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>LKY should change the flag. half singapore and half china and make it inot one flag

so LKY and china can prosper with FT and name the new poor singapore into rich CHINAPORE!  and you singaporeans malay and indian and chinese who belong here can make your exit to malaysia and please surrender back your pink card to LKY so that he can give it to china nationalities and flood the new CHINAPORE with them. thanks LKY thanks for the trust we singaporeans had on you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>LKY should change the flag. half singapore and half china and make it inot one flag</p>
<p>so LKY and china can prosper with FT and name the new poor singapore into rich CHINAPORE!  and you singaporeans malay and indian and chinese who belong here can make your exit to malaysia and please surrender back your pink card to LKY so that he can give it to china nationalities and flood the new CHINAPORE with them. thanks LKY thanks for the trust we singaporeans had on you.</p>
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		<title>By: kampung sumatra</title>
		<link>http://theonlinecitizen.com/2009/08/the-singapore-of-our-national-pledge/comment-page-3/#comment-99591</link>
		<dc:creator>kampung sumatra</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Aug 2009 02:58:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>LKY should change the flag. half singapore and half china and make it inot one flag

so LKY and china can prosper with FT and name the new poor singapore into rich CHINAPORE!  and you singaporeans malay and indian and chinese who belong here can make your exit to malaysia and please surrender back your pink card to LKY so that he can give it to china nationalities and flood the new CHINAPORE</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>LKY should change the flag. half singapore and half china and make it inot one flag</p>
<p>so LKY and china can prosper with FT and name the new poor singapore into rich CHINAPORE!  and you singaporeans malay and indian and chinese who belong here can make your exit to malaysia and please surrender back your pink card to LKY so that he can give it to china nationalities and flood the new CHINAPORE</p>
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		<title>By: rwkc</title>
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		<dc:creator>rwkc</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Aug 2009 15:47:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Talking about Ng Hen Eng; in his rebuttal of the motion initiated by Viswa Sadasivan, he spoke, among other things, about the transparency of the Singapore govt. And just a few days before that we heard from Finance Minister Tharman that his ministry would not divulge any information about the so-called strategic differences between Mr Goodyear, the outgoing CEO of Temasek, and Temasek’s Board of Directors. Was there any agreement reached with Mr Goodyear that such strategic differences should not be publicised? I could have missed out if this was press-reported.

What sort of transparency was NHE referring to? 

Were you bullshitting, NHE?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Talking about Ng Hen Eng; in his rebuttal of the motion initiated by Viswa Sadasivan, he spoke, among other things, about the transparency of the Singapore govt. And just a few days before that we heard from Finance Minister Tharman that his ministry would not divulge any information about the so-called strategic differences between Mr Goodyear, the outgoing CEO of Temasek, and Temasek’s Board of Directors. Was there any agreement reached with Mr Goodyear that such strategic differences should not be publicised? I could have missed out if this was press-reported.</p>
<p>What sort of transparency was NHE referring to? </p>
<p>Were you bullshitting, NHE?</p>
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		<title>By: So sad!</title>
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		<dc:creator>So sad!</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Aug 2009 14:38:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am an old man who has for many decades always honoured the pledge as sacrosanct.  I am shocked that it is now denigrated to just an aspiration.  Very sad indeed.  Does it mean that my pledge to the bank is only an aspiration, or my pledge to my best friends is now only an aspiration, or my pledge to my employer to serve him with honour is now only an aspiration.  I am now very confused.  When is a pledge a pledge, when is a promise a promise?  Do we now have to honour any promise or pledge?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am an old man who has for many decades always honoured the pledge as sacrosanct.  I am shocked that it is now denigrated to just an aspiration.  Very sad indeed.  Does it mean that my pledge to the bank is only an aspiration, or my pledge to my best friends is now only an aspiration, or my pledge to my employer to serve him with honour is now only an aspiration.  I am now very confused.  When is a pledge a pledge, when is a promise a promise?  Do we now have to honour any promise or pledge?</p>
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		<title>By: Permanent Resident</title>
		<link>http://theonlinecitizen.com/2009/08/the-singapore-of-our-national-pledge/comment-page-2/#comment-99352</link>
		<dc:creator>Permanent Resident</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Aug 2009 09:59:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The flag is a symbol of the nation and whatever party is the Government, is to be dicounted and the flag respected and not treated distainly.
You can build a nation through the flag(if you try hard). And give the anthem due respect too.
It will take some time for all in Singapore to sing with one voice but in the meantime give it your best shot-you can succeed just as you did so in the economic sphere.
Good luck</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The flag is a symbol of the nation and whatever party is the Government, is to be dicounted and the flag respected and not treated distainly.<br />
You can build a nation through the flag(if you try hard). And give the anthem due respect too.<br />
It will take some time for all in Singapore to sing with one voice but in the meantime give it your best shot-you can succeed just as you did so in the economic sphere.<br />
Good luck</p>
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		<title>By: singaporean</title>
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		<dc:creator>singaporean</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Aug 2009 08:46:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>96 frog

yes i agree why and what has happen?</description>
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<p>yes i agree why and what has happen?</p>
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		<title>By: frog</title>
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		<dc:creator>frog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Aug 2009 06:32:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>can anyone tell why national day and the day before we hardly see most of singaporeans displaying singapore flags? we even saw a singapore flag in the trash bin in one of the hdb flat that is a surprise for us?what this mean? unlike those days singaporeans will display their country flags proudly and even some with lighting decoration along with the flags. why not they place a new flag in the trash bin? why we don’t see much of singaporeans displaying thier flags?
we are curious and would like to know from singaporeans out there</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>can anyone tell why national day and the day before we hardly see most of singaporeans displaying singapore flags? we even saw a singapore flag in the trash bin in one of the hdb flat that is a surprise for us?what this mean? unlike those days singaporeans will display their country flags proudly and even some with lighting decoration along with the flags. why not they place a new flag in the trash bin? why we don’t see much of singaporeans displaying thier flags?<br />
we are curious and would like to know from singaporeans out there</p>
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		<title>By: lim</title>
		<link>http://theonlinecitizen.com/2009/08/the-singapore-of-our-national-pledge/comment-page-2/#comment-99276</link>
		<dc:creator>lim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Aug 2009 06:06:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Vote for a change, towards a &quot;check and balance&quot; system, instead of the current dominatation by a single party. Without check and balance, the ruling party can change/implement any policies it like, without the people having a chance to say no... 

Look at the 2 is enough policy, and its consequence 20-30 years later, and the compulsory cpf life..</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Vote for a change, towards a &#8220;check and balance&#8221; system, instead of the current dominatation by a single party. Without check and balance, the ruling party can change/implement any policies it like, without the people having a chance to say no&#8230; </p>
<p>Look at the 2 is enough policy, and its consequence 20-30 years later, and the compulsory cpf life..</p>
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		<title>By: frog</title>
		<link>http://theonlinecitizen.com/2009/08/the-singapore-of-our-national-pledge/comment-page-2/#comment-99263</link>
		<dc:creator>frog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Aug 2009 05:10:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>anyone of singaporeans here who read this?


can anyone tell why national day and the day before we hardly see most of singaporeans displaying singapore flags? we even saw a singapore flag in the trash bin in one of the hdb flat that is a surprise for us?what this mean? unlike those days singaporeans will display their country flags proudly and even some with lighting decoration along with the flags. why not they place a new flag in the trash bin? why we don’t see much of singaporeans displaying thier flags?
we are curious and would like to know from singaporeans out there</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>anyone of singaporeans here who read this?</p>
<p>can anyone tell why national day and the day before we hardly see most of singaporeans displaying singapore flags? we even saw a singapore flag in the trash bin in one of the hdb flat that is a surprise for us?what this mean? unlike those days singaporeans will display their country flags proudly and even some with lighting decoration along with the flags. why not they place a new flag in the trash bin? why we don’t see much of singaporeans displaying thier flags?<br />
we are curious and would like to know from singaporeans out there</p>
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