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		<title>By: The Singapore Daily &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Weekly Roundup: Week 36</title>
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		<dc:creator>The Singapore Daily &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Weekly Roundup: Week 36</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Sep 2009 03:05:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] media needs to rebuild broken trust, says Viswa Sadasivan [Thanks Reikoko] [Recommended] - TOC: Why report on Viswa Sadasivan’s speech was removed from TOC - Singapore Recalcitrant: No racial inequality in Utopian Singapore? - TOC: The Singapore Story – [...]</description>
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		<title>By: John Moe</title>
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		<dc:creator>John Moe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Sep 2009 06:55:32 +0000</pubDate>
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Political leaders cannot be trained, but must be found, says hiding the man in white

Mr Lee said: &quot;I spent 15 years thinking out these safeguards and finally persuaded my younger colleagues that we needed this because they can&#039;t guarantee that they&#039;ll each time provide a better team than the opposition, just because it has been done in the past. No problem in next election, but maybe after that - if we don&#039;t find a good team in elections after that - we are at risk.&quot;</description>
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<p>Political leaders cannot be trained, but must be found, says hiding the man in white</p>
<p>Mr Lee said: &#8220;I spent 15 years thinking out these safeguards and finally persuaded my younger colleagues that we needed this because they can&#8217;t guarantee that they&#8217;ll each time provide a better team than the opposition, just because it has been done in the past. No problem in next election, but maybe after that &#8211; if we don&#8217;t find a good team in elections after that &#8211; we are at risk.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: John Moe</title>
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		<dc:creator>John Moe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Sep 2009 06:46:12 +0000</pubDate>
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&quot;Many voters now tell us openly - &quot;my family, three of us vote for you but two of us voted against you&quot;. Just to let you know we want an opposition voice and we don&#039;t want you to be so overwhelming. So in that case you may have a freak result and that worries me. So we have a president with blocking powers,&quot; said Mr Lee.

Mr Lee said: &quot;I spent 15 years thinking out these safeguards and finally persuaded my younger colleagues that we needed this because they can&#039;t guarantee that they&#039;ll each time provide a better team than the opposition, just because it has been done in the past. No problem in next election, but maybe after that - if we don&#039;t find a good team in elections after that - we are at risk.&quot;</description>
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<p>&#8220;Many voters now tell us openly &#8211; &#8220;my family, three of us vote for you but two of us voted against you&#8221;. Just to let you know we want an opposition voice and we don&#8217;t want you to be so overwhelming. So in that case you may have a freak result and that worries me. So we have a president with blocking powers,&#8221; said Mr Lee.</p>
<p>Mr Lee said: &#8220;I spent 15 years thinking out these safeguards and finally persuaded my younger colleagues that we needed this because they can&#8217;t guarantee that they&#8217;ll each time provide a better team than the opposition, just because it has been done in the past. No problem in next election, but maybe after that &#8211; if we don&#8217;t find a good team in elections after that &#8211; we are at risk.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: paru</title>
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		<dc:creator>paru</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Sep 2009 03:13:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>43) tiredsingaporean

&quot;These lawyers should join hand and seek the support from IBA to seek justice for all the victimized singaporeans from those corrupted elites&quot;....

Do you really believe that &#039;our lawyers&#039; would even &#039;dream &#039; of doing such a thing for  fellow singporeans?
Please don&#039;t delude yourself. 
Lawyers are also &#039;elites&#039; , they only care for their kind.  
The ones who dare will end up in IMH &amp; made to look like psychos. This is 
Singapore, get real!

 It is the commoners like us who care &amp; want something to be done, not the elites. 
Did you ever come across any elite who has shown any concern for the unfortunate Singaporean up till now?
Elites live in their own world like our like our ministers, mps, nmps, you name it. They are well taken care of  by our MIW.....perhaps we should start looking for MIB (Man In Black)! :)

If anything needs to be done, it is we, who have to do it, other that &#039;ranting&#039; here &amp; there, &amp; waiting for some &#039;heroic NMP&#039; be to to &#039;save&#039; us!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>43) tiredsingaporean</p>
<p>&#8220;These lawyers should join hand and seek the support from IBA to seek justice for all the victimized singaporeans from those corrupted elites&#8221;&#8230;.</p>
<p>Do you really believe that &#8216;our lawyers&#8217; would even &#8216;dream &#8216; of doing such a thing for  fellow singporeans?<br />
Please don&#8217;t delude yourself.<br />
Lawyers are also &#8216;elites&#8217; , they only care for their kind.<br />
The ones who dare will end up in IMH &amp; made to look like psychos. This is<br />
Singapore, get real!</p>
<p> It is the commoners like us who care &amp; want something to be done, not the elites.<br />
Did you ever come across any elite who has shown any concern for the unfortunate Singaporean up till now?<br />
Elites live in their own world like our like our ministers, mps, nmps, you name it. They are well taken care of  by our MIW&#8230;..perhaps we should start looking for MIB (Man In Black)! :)</p>
<p>If anything needs to be done, it is we, who have to do it, other that &#8216;ranting&#8217; here &amp; there, &amp; waiting for some &#8216;heroic NMP&#8217; be to to &#8216;save&#8217; us!</p>
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		<title>By: tiredsingaporean</title>
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		<dc:creator>tiredsingaporean</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Sep 2009 16:14:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>“So, why are so many lawyers not joining the opposition to help the country beef up our loyal opposition?”

These lawyers should join hand and seek the support from IBA to seek justice for all the victimized singaporeans from those corrupted elites. Without foreign and international support, no one can even touch any of those MIW as they&#039;ve already build themselves a non-penetratable protection inside the country they rule.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>“So, why are so many lawyers not joining the opposition to help the country beef up our loyal opposition?”</p>
<p>These lawyers should join hand and seek the support from IBA to seek justice for all the victimized singaporeans from those corrupted elites. Without foreign and international support, no one can even touch any of those MIW as they&#8217;ve already build themselves a non-penetratable protection inside the country they rule.</p>
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		<title>By: BB</title>
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		<dc:creator>BB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Sep 2009 15:59:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The NMP scheme is a throwback, a reversion to British colonial era.

When Singapore was a British Crown Colony, the colonialist had a system of appointing local representatives to its legislative council/assembly to stem the tide of growing resentment of the people against colonialism.

These &quot;representatives&quot; were invariably those who had benefited financially and materially from the oppressive colonial rule. They were hoisted by the British and their local lackeys as community leaders who could feel the pulse of the populace.

Now, after having turned the parliament into its rubber stamp, the PAP, in order to appease and check the resentment of the citizenry against its authoritarian rule wants to have NMPs, claiming that these people are non-partisan and objective.

But who appoints these NMPs and who heads the &quot;selection&quot; process?

Let&#039;s not degenerate into feudal warp.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The NMP scheme is a throwback, a reversion to British colonial era.</p>
<p>When Singapore was a British Crown Colony, the colonialist had a system of appointing local representatives to its legislative council/assembly to stem the tide of growing resentment of the people against colonialism.</p>
<p>These &#8220;representatives&#8221; were invariably those who had benefited financially and materially from the oppressive colonial rule. They were hoisted by the British and their local lackeys as community leaders who could feel the pulse of the populace.</p>
<p>Now, after having turned the parliament into its rubber stamp, the PAP, in order to appease and check the resentment of the citizenry against its authoritarian rule wants to have NMPs, claiming that these people are non-partisan and objective.</p>
<p>But who appoints these NMPs and who heads the &#8220;selection&#8221; process?</p>
<p>Let&#8217;s not degenerate into feudal warp.</p>
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		<title>By: gemami</title>
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		<dc:creator>gemami</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Sep 2009 04:55:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A lover&#039;s spat?......very innovative......</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A lover&#8217;s spat?&#8230;&#8230;very innovative&#8230;&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: incorruptable?</title>
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		<dc:creator>incorruptable?</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Sep 2009 03:20:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>237) Self Preservation on September 2nd, 2009 10.45 am 

&quot;So, why are so many lawyers not joining the opposition to help the country beef up our loyal opposition?&quot;


How about this explanation :
Regardless whether you are really holding the truth, all the truth and nothing but the truth, you will definitely lost your case in the court of law in Singapore, if you are defending yourself against a certain god (you know who I refer to).

So what if many lawyers can articulate or defend their positions or views with the truth/fact, when up against a particular &quot;wise&quot; man there is only one napshot outcome in the court of law in Singapore.

Sometime, you could be haul to the court of law for a silly reason when the &quot;wise&quot; man deemed you as a threat, especially to his political idealogy/survival.

Does the explanation above answer your question? Hahaha......

That was why I said Viswa was a wise man......  Self Preservation indeed.

Loyal? Yes! Opposition? Dont play play OK!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>237) Self Preservation on September 2nd, 2009 10.45 am </p>
<p>&#8220;So, why are so many lawyers not joining the opposition to help the country beef up our loyal opposition?&#8221;</p>
<p>How about this explanation :<br />
Regardless whether you are really holding the truth, all the truth and nothing but the truth, you will definitely lost your case in the court of law in Singapore, if you are defending yourself against a certain god (you know who I refer to).</p>
<p>So what if many lawyers can articulate or defend their positions or views with the truth/fact, when up against a particular &#8220;wise&#8221; man there is only one napshot outcome in the court of law in Singapore.</p>
<p>Sometime, you could be haul to the court of law for a silly reason when the &#8220;wise&#8221; man deemed you as a threat, especially to his political idealogy/survival.</p>
<p>Does the explanation above answer your question? Hahaha&#8230;&#8230;</p>
<p>That was why I said Viswa was a wise man&#8230;&#8230;  Self Preservation indeed.</p>
<p>Loyal? Yes! Opposition? Dont play play OK!</p>
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		<title>By: Self Preservation</title>
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		<dc:creator>Self Preservation</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Sep 2009 02:45:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>234) fffyugyut on September 1st, 2009 10.58 pm 

&quot;...if you are lawyer, people want to sue you also difficult to win you.&quot;

So, why are so many lawyers not joining the opposition to help the country beef up our loyal opposition?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>234) fffyugyut on September 1st, 2009 10.58 pm </p>
<p>&#8220;&#8230;if you are lawyer, people want to sue you also difficult to win you.&#8221;</p>
<p>So, why are so many lawyers not joining the opposition to help the country beef up our loyal opposition?</p>
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		<title>By: budamax1952</title>
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		<dc:creator>budamax1952</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Sep 2009 02:03:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We can&#039;t deny the fact that the NMPs will chosen by a selection committee that was 100% PAPy [ with the exception of the confused, ineffective, singlish-speaking LTK ]
Gone are the days when this selection committee would have chosen another Siew Kum Hong. 
The present batch of NMPs, i am sure, were thoroughly vetted by the selection committee to make sure that deep inside they are all pro-PAP.
Therefore, i am thoroughly convinced that Visva Thamby ( Thamby in tamil means younger brother, not the old deragatory meaning LKY used where thamby means an odd-job worker in the office during the 1950s to the 1960s )
So we had the appearance of Thamby as an NMP in parliament.
So, like any self- respecting thamby, Thamby wanted to perform some heroics in parliament ( if you have seen tamil movies, you would know what i mean )
But unfortunately after 1 or 2 stunts Thamby had a change of heart, and decided to leave the heroics-bit out of his act. He remembered that he was very much obligated to his masters, otherwise his rice- bowl would have been smashed into smithereens.
So to cut a long story short, this is how i see it . in this saga of Thamby in parliament.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We can&#8217;t deny the fact that the NMPs will chosen by a selection committee that was 100% PAPy [ with the exception of the confused, ineffective, singlish-speaking LTK ]<br />
Gone are the days when this selection committee would have chosen another Siew Kum Hong.<br />
The present batch of NMPs, i am sure, were thoroughly vetted by the selection committee to make sure that deep inside they are all pro-PAP.<br />
Therefore, i am thoroughly convinced that Visva Thamby ( Thamby in tamil means younger brother, not the old deragatory meaning LKY used where thamby means an odd-job worker in the office during the 1950s to the 1960s )<br />
So we had the appearance of Thamby as an NMP in parliament.<br />
So, like any self- respecting thamby, Thamby wanted to perform some heroics in parliament ( if you have seen tamil movies, you would know what i mean )<br />
But unfortunately after 1 or 2 stunts Thamby had a change of heart, and decided to leave the heroics-bit out of his act. He remembered that he was very much obligated to his masters, otherwise his rice- bowl would have been smashed into smithereens.<br />
So to cut a long story short, this is how i see it . in this saga of Thamby in parliament.</p>
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		<title>By: paru</title>
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		<dc:creator>paru</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Sep 2009 01:24:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Lky has finally  made a&#039; great blunder&#039; by introducing Mr Viswa as a NMP to Singaporeans. Perhaps he isn&#039;t aware of the &#039;damage&#039; he has done to his &#039;Dynast&#039;y&#039;!  Far-sighted &amp; yet &#039;slip&#039; of the mind?It is unfortunate that he failed  to realize that even an elephant can slip &amp; fall!

By providing the exposure(platform)  for  Mr Viswa, he has unknowingly  &#039; thrust&#039;  Mr Viswa  into the &#039;limelight&#039; where Mr Viswa &#039;conquered&#039; the hearts of most, if not all Singaporeans with his Maiden Speech! Yes, it is &#039;Love at first sight&#039; -here to stay for a long long time. He shot to popularity  overnight, which none of the pappies were able to.

Sure, we are bitter with MR Viswa over a &#039;recent &#039;controversy&#039; (if i may say so) regarding the removal of the speech @ LK school of Public Policy on TOC, but it is more like a &#039;lovers quarrel&#039; which will take care of itself when this issue is blown over, because deep down we know  that Mr Viswa  was genuine when he made both the speeches, and that he will continue to be so in the future. No one has made such an impact on us up till now or even &#039;moved&#039; us to this degree.

He could be &#039;planted&#039; &amp; all this could be a&#039; wayang&#039; with him as the&#039; lead actor&#039;. Let it be, so what, the outcome will speak for itself when the time comes.
But, my guess is,  Mr Viswa could be  testing the ground just like the pappies may be &#039;testing&#039; him too!
He may be using the &#039;platform&#039; (given to him so willingly),  to &#039;understand&#039; Singaporeans better, what our million-dollar salaried ministers failed to do!

Whether he came in&#039; willingly&#039; or  &#039;was necessitated&#039;, is of little importance to us.Now that he is here,  he knows he needs to do -treading  the ground cautiously without  being &#039;cornered&#039; or even being &#039;checkmated&#039;! 
In his own words:
&quot;Heroes are important, ..................... but dead heroes are of no use to anyone, at at least in the Singapore context.
A living hero?

Lets not forget, he is a strategist and must be a good one too, otherwise he wouldn&#039;t have been chosen as a NMP by the REGIME!. 
Don&#039;t they always pick the best ones &amp; turn them into goons!
But not this man, he knows his strategy, that is why he is so confident.
 A leader in the making with the charisma of LKY 50 yrs ago(my parents used to &#039;adore&#039; lky)-minus the aggression!

Maybe from now onwards, our politics will not be so boring anymore.
Let&#039;s see what happens after 2 yrs......, 
It &#039;may&#039; be possible after his term, Mr Viswa may just resign from his NMP post &amp; stand for elections as an Opposition &amp; GARNER  all our votes  or chose to &#039;join&#039; the pappies &amp; lose our votes &amp; trust completely, or even leave politics entirely! 
Its either this or that  or that, there is no &#039;middle-path&#039; in politics!

My view is, instead of &#039;brick-batting&#039; him, just because he is not taking our side, lets not doubt his sincerity.
We have been waiting for almost 50 yrs for dawn, what is another 2 yrs?
Lets wait  &amp; see what unfolds.........
Let him do what he came to do, perhaps, he IS &#039;playing&#039; our kind of music, with &#039;subliminal messages&#039; we only need to &#039;listen&#039;.....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lky has finally  made a&#8217; great blunder&#8217; by introducing Mr Viswa as a NMP to Singaporeans. Perhaps he isn&#8217;t aware of the &#8216;damage&#8217; he has done to his &#8216;Dynast&#8217;y'!  Far-sighted &amp; yet &#8216;slip&#8217; of the mind?It is unfortunate that he failed  to realize that even an elephant can slip &amp; fall!</p>
<p>By providing the exposure(platform)  for  Mr Viswa, he has unknowingly  &#8216; thrust&#8217;  Mr Viswa  into the &#8216;limelight&#8217; where Mr Viswa &#8216;conquered&#8217; the hearts of most, if not all Singaporeans with his Maiden Speech! Yes, it is &#8216;Love at first sight&#8217; -here to stay for a long long time. He shot to popularity  overnight, which none of the pappies were able to.</p>
<p>Sure, we are bitter with MR Viswa over a &#8216;recent &#8216;controversy&#8217; (if i may say so) regarding the removal of the speech @ LK school of Public Policy on TOC, but it is more like a &#8216;lovers quarrel&#8217; which will take care of itself when this issue is blown over, because deep down we know  that Mr Viswa  was genuine when he made both the speeches, and that he will continue to be so in the future. No one has made such an impact on us up till now or even &#8216;moved&#8217; us to this degree.</p>
<p>He could be &#8216;planted&#8217; &amp; all this could be a&#8217; wayang&#8217; with him as the&#8217; lead actor&#8217;. Let it be, so what, the outcome will speak for itself when the time comes.<br />
But, my guess is,  Mr Viswa could be  testing the ground just like the pappies may be &#8216;testing&#8217; him too!<br />
He may be using the &#8216;platform&#8217; (given to him so willingly),  to &#8216;understand&#8217; Singaporeans better, what our million-dollar salaried ministers failed to do!</p>
<p>Whether he came in&#8217; willingly&#8217; or  &#8216;was necessitated&#8217;, is of little importance to us.Now that he is here,  he knows he needs to do -treading  the ground cautiously without  being &#8216;cornered&#8217; or even being &#8216;checkmated&#8217;!<br />
In his own words:<br />
&#8220;Heroes are important, &#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230; but dead heroes are of no use to anyone, at at least in the Singapore context.<br />
A living hero?</p>
<p>Lets not forget, he is a strategist and must be a good one too, otherwise he wouldn&#8217;t have been chosen as a NMP by the REGIME!.<br />
Don&#8217;t they always pick the best ones &amp; turn them into goons!<br />
But not this man, he knows his strategy, that is why he is so confident.<br />
 A leader in the making with the charisma of LKY 50 yrs ago(my parents used to &#8216;adore&#8217; lky)-minus the aggression!</p>
<p>Maybe from now onwards, our politics will not be so boring anymore.<br />
Let&#8217;s see what happens after 2 yrs&#8230;&#8230;,<br />
It &#8216;may&#8217; be possible after his term, Mr Viswa may just resign from his NMP post &amp; stand for elections as an Opposition &amp; GARNER  all our votes  or chose to &#8216;join&#8217; the pappies &amp; lose our votes &amp; trust completely, or even leave politics entirely!<br />
Its either this or that  or that, there is no &#8216;middle-path&#8217; in politics!</p>
<p>My view is, instead of &#8216;brick-batting&#8217; him, just because he is not taking our side, lets not doubt his sincerity.<br />
We have been waiting for almost 50 yrs for dawn, what is another 2 yrs?<br />
Lets wait  &amp; see what unfolds&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;<br />
Let him do what he came to do, perhaps, he IS &#8216;playing&#8217; our kind of music, with &#8216;subliminal messages&#8217; we only need to &#8216;listen&#8217;&#8230;..</p>
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		<title>By: gemami</title>
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		<dc:creator>gemami</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Sep 2009 00:14:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Eric,

“&lt;i&gt;Many (journalists) have independent and critical minds, but unfortunately are constantly stone-walled&lt;/i&gt;” : Eric.

The most unfortunate and sad thing about Singapore is that we have enough talents to hold our own but yet chooses to confined them into quarters that serve to entrench the stranglehold on power of an elite group of people.

The same model is transplanted in every government institution including the entire civil service – the latter geared more toward a PAP service than a civil one. What is even worse is that those independent bodies that are supposed to uphold justice and equality are also given in to adopting this model of serving the PAP elites more than the people. Examples are our court of law, our police and particularly, our news mediums.

I agree that change can come about if our heartlanders decide so but I will stop short of being too over optimistic. There are the many PAP tentacles to content with, as mentioned above. For me, the most telling ones are the ridiculous re-drawing of electoral boundaries, the threat of defamation suits and the distortions of facts by our MSM.

However, you did mention an excellent point – the role of the grassroots – and using it to lend better reach to the heartlanders. It is sad, very sad, that the alternatives are not doing as much as we hope they would. 

Our hopes rise with every election only to be killed of immediately after. They really need to review their outreach programs. As you have commented, Singaporeans can see through honesty and sincerity, and will not shy away from giving support to those who fall into these descriptions.

But you know what? I still get the feeling that we could just end up like Japan before we start to see changes. It may already be too late for regrets now.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Eric,</p>
<p>“<i>Many (journalists) have independent and critical minds, but unfortunately are constantly stone-walled</i>” : Eric.</p>
<p>The most unfortunate and sad thing about Singapore is that we have enough talents to hold our own but yet chooses to confined them into quarters that serve to entrench the stranglehold on power of an elite group of people.</p>
<p>The same model is transplanted in every government institution including the entire civil service – the latter geared more toward a PAP service than a civil one. What is even worse is that those independent bodies that are supposed to uphold justice and equality are also given in to adopting this model of serving the PAP elites more than the people. Examples are our court of law, our police and particularly, our news mediums.</p>
<p>I agree that change can come about if our heartlanders decide so but I will stop short of being too over optimistic. There are the many PAP tentacles to content with, as mentioned above. For me, the most telling ones are the ridiculous re-drawing of electoral boundaries, the threat of defamation suits and the distortions of facts by our MSM.</p>
<p>However, you did mention an excellent point – the role of the grassroots – and using it to lend better reach to the heartlanders. It is sad, very sad, that the alternatives are not doing as much as we hope they would. </p>
<p>Our hopes rise with every election only to be killed of immediately after. They really need to review their outreach programs. As you have commented, Singaporeans can see through honesty and sincerity, and will not shy away from giving support to those who fall into these descriptions.</p>
<p>But you know what? I still get the feeling that we could just end up like Japan before we start to see changes. It may already be too late for regrets now.</p>
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		<title>By: Orlando Moon</title>
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		<dc:creator>Orlando Moon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Sep 2009 15:18:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#224,
&quot;Besides the two non-PAP MPs, my sensing is the political alternatives are not working the ground sufficiently. &quot;

I cannot disagree with you. This is what I feel as well.
To be honest, living in hougang, I have never met a WP member or any opposition member walk up to me to chat. I say again, NEVER.

I dun know what these people are doing.

Opposition parties all over the world have progressed recently.

sigh....


Maybe, it makes sense to import new citizens with better genes? like more creative , garang and able?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#224,<br />
&#8220;Besides the two non-PAP MPs, my sensing is the political alternatives are not working the ground sufficiently. &#8221;</p>
<p>I cannot disagree with you. This is what I feel as well.<br />
To be honest, living in hougang, I have never met a WP member or any opposition member walk up to me to chat. I say again, NEVER.</p>
<p>I dun know what these people are doing.</p>
<p>Opposition parties all over the world have progressed recently.</p>
<p>sigh&#8230;.</p>
<p>Maybe, it makes sense to import new citizens with better genes? like more creative , garang and able?</p>
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		<title>By: fffyugyut</title>
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		<dc:creator>fffyugyut</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Sep 2009 14:58:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>wah mr Viswa Sadasivan i think i are very good in talking.

too bad you are not a lawyer.

if you are lawyer, people want to sue you also difficult to win you.

i think there is a very very famous lawyer that sue people who anyhow say things few years ago also will lose to you. forget his name. very famous one.

because you use heart to talk. 

if there are a very good lawyer like you that can help ngos to fight court case when they are sue, then singapore will be a even more democratic society.

happiness, prospersity and progress for us.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>wah mr Viswa Sadasivan i think i are very good in talking.</p>
<p>too bad you are not a lawyer.</p>
<p>if you are lawyer, people want to sue you also difficult to win you.</p>
<p>i think there is a very very famous lawyer that sue people who anyhow say things few years ago also will lose to you. forget his name. very famous one.</p>
<p>because you use heart to talk. </p>
<p>if there are a very good lawyer like you that can help ngos to fight court case when they are sue, then singapore will be a even more democratic society.</p>
<p>happiness, prospersity and progress for us.</p>
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		<title>By: FeverGUY</title>
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		<dc:creator>FeverGUY</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Sep 2009 14:02:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Viswa should quit as NMP and join the opposition! What a waste for him to be NMP! If he is elected as an MP, he do not have to ‘kowtow” to PAP!&quot;

He owes PAP a living lah. He knows it. He will never join opp party. I bet my Sparky&#039;s dog food on it. He kowtow? My goodness he wanted to hold balls but didn&#039;t do it as he expected. :&lt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Viswa should quit as NMP and join the opposition! What a waste for him to be NMP! If he is elected as an MP, he do not have to ‘kowtow” to PAP!&#8221;</p>
<p>He owes PAP a living lah. He knows it. He will never join opp party. I bet my Sparky&#8217;s dog food on it. He kowtow? My goodness he wanted to hold balls but didn&#8217;t do it as he expected. :&lt;</p>
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		<title>By: c-p-k</title>
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		<dc:creator>c-p-k</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Sep 2009 12:57:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The fact that this had to happen reflects badly on the garment.
In a country where there is democracy, not democracy aspired, 
where fair comment is allowed, nay encouraged, Viswa&#039;s two 
speeches would not have batted a single eyelid.
It is really sad that in self-proclaimed democratic Sinkapoor 
anyone without a good word to say about the garment has to
constantly look over his shoulder for fear of being victimized in 
some way or other.
Viswa is just your average citizen voicing his concerns about
what he sees as things going wrong and asking the garment to
put them right. Nothing wrong, right? Wrong! In Sinkapoor you&#039;re 
expected to &quot;sit down and shut up&quot; if you have nothing good to 
say about them. Such is the climate of fear built up over many 
decades of according &quot;special treatment&quot; to detractors and 
dissidents that our instinct for self-preservation is honed to a 
fine edge. There is no need for ob markers as we are self-
censuring ourselves to death!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The fact that this had to happen reflects badly on the garment.<br />
In a country where there is democracy, not democracy aspired,<br />
where fair comment is allowed, nay encouraged, Viswa&#8217;s two<br />
speeches would not have batted a single eyelid.<br />
It is really sad that in self-proclaimed democratic Sinkapoor<br />
anyone without a good word to say about the garment has to<br />
constantly look over his shoulder for fear of being victimized in<br />
some way or other.<br />
Viswa is just your average citizen voicing his concerns about<br />
what he sees as things going wrong and asking the garment to<br />
put them right. Nothing wrong, right? Wrong! In Sinkapoor you&#8217;re<br />
expected to &#8220;sit down and shut up&#8221; if you have nothing good to<br />
say about them. Such is the climate of fear built up over many<br />
decades of according &#8220;special treatment&#8221; to detractors and<br />
dissidents that our instinct for self-preservation is honed to a<br />
fine edge. There is no need for ob markers as we are self-<br />
censuring ourselves to death!</p>
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		<title>By: socrates</title>
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		<dc:creator>socrates</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Sep 2009 11:39:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think the heat is too hot on him. Isn&#039;t it so? He needs time and space to cool off. Is that not so? And I think he doesnt want to be a tool of TOC. Is that not so?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think the heat is too hot on him. Isn&#8217;t it so? He needs time and space to cool off. Is that not so? And I think he doesnt want to be a tool of TOC. Is that not so?</p>
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		<title>By: Hotshot</title>
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		<dc:creator>Hotshot</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Sep 2009 11:30:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We want clever people to live in this stupid place? Think again!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We want clever people to live in this stupid place? Think again!</p>
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		<title>By: Agent008</title>
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		<dc:creator>Agent008</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Sep 2009 11:28:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You can bet States Times will be lapping it up if the speech is pro-PAP ideals, and that will be ok even if out of context.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You can bet States Times will be lapping it up if the speech is pro-PAP ideals, and that will be ok even if out of context.</p>
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		<title>By: We are the BOSS</title>
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		<dc:creator>We are the BOSS</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Sep 2009 10:35:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Now we get a clearer picture of NMP.... they are elected by papies not us.
What&#039;s the point you go to a &quot;close door&quot; speech and don&#039;t allow the media to publish the speech content... catch no balls!!! ??? or may be he has no balls.... haha</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Now we get a clearer picture of NMP&#8230;. they are elected by papies not us.<br />
What&#8217;s the point you go to a &#8220;close door&#8221; speech and don&#8217;t allow the media to publish the speech content&#8230; catch no balls!!! ??? or may be he has no balls&#8230;. haha</p>
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