In other words, LKY is implying he will live long enough to be around for the next 2 elections. Holy Cow, another 10 years ! Before we can have some decent elections contested in an honourable manner like the Japanese.

I agreed with MM Lee this time.

PAP is just too strong and our opposition too weak to seize the advantage provided.

Frankly if we have a good opposition like Malaysian’s PAS, there is every chance to increase the votes for the opposition. At last, our government has done a good job of undermining the opposition during this past decade rendering them very infeective.

Friends all told me that they are fed up with the govt but some have no chance to vote otherwise wehreas others could not simply throw their vote at any unviable alternative. Imagine an independent candidate can come to file for candidacy in his slippers and don’t have any election campaigning!

The opposition may need to take the enxt few years to gather a good team of capable men to paln for the next election and build from there.

There is every chance that a GRC will be toppled from the way I see it.

People are fed up with the govt and many are from the retrenched 40s upwards category with an uncertain future.

The heavy iibflux of foreigners are also a big contentious issue for the country especially when they are seen as job snatchers.

People standing in election now may have at least 40% chance of winning the constituency.

Of course he’ll live for another 10 years… they’ll extract corneas, lungs, livers and hearts from living and death Singaporeans and PRs. Look he’s not even wearing spectacles. Not sure what is happening to his wife, what they have done with her.

http://sg.news.yahoo.com/cna/20090903/tap-470-excesses-liberal-system-regulati-231650b.html

“Mr Lee said: “I spent 15 years thinking out these safeguards and finally persuaded my younger colleagues that we needed this because they can’t guarantee that they’ll each time provide a better team than the opposition, just because it has been done in the past.”

if his team is not the best why he still want them to remainin power? can S’pore afford it?

& my goodness, 15 years to come up with ideas to stay in power? that’s not what he’s paid to do!

hallmarks of a junta!!

he seems desperate every day passed by to constantly remind singaporean of what his plans is all about recently after 44 years still in controlling.

why is he so afraid of letting other to do the job? all that he claimed sowhatever only being said by him and no one else. is this illusion to him or he is being so selfish that only his familee tto ake over at least another 2 elections?

he has all the top talented elites and why is he still damn worried to death about all what he claimed? i thought they are supposed to be best of the bests and able to run even wheh he is gone? is he senile and confused and cling on power so much that he didnt realised what is he talking about?

he is indeed troubled!

Error in Title?

PAP will “win” next two elections: Lee Kuan Yew

“Friends all told me that they are fed up with the govt but some have no chance to vote otherwise wehreas others could not simply throw their vote at any unviable alternative. Imagine an independent candidate can come to file for candidacy in his slippers and don’t have any election campaigning!”

Since when has PAP makes any “credible” opposition “credible”. Looking back now, in my opinion, the current regime “character assassinated” everyone one that post a challenge and the citizens just swallow them wholesale.

“even if the opposition took power by a “freak result,” it won’t be allowed to fire top police, army and other officials without the approval of the president, who is appointed by a committee of government officials.”

Of course they cannot fire them. These top officials are needed to arrest
the people who are elected thru a freak result.

The “freak result” phrase keeps getting repeated, as though voting oppositions
means doing something out of the ordinary.

Since when has PAP makes any “credible” opposition “credible”. Looking back now, in my opinion, the current regime “character assassinated” everyone one that post a challenge and the citizens just swallow them wholesale. – 7) Dumb and dumber ,

maybe old fart didnt realised that instead of opposition party being threat to him, the people are actually the ‘opposition’ in general. i think he knows and sense it and that’s why he so afraid of being loose out thus so crap threats he made recently.

“maybe old fart didnt realised that instead of opposition party being threat to him, the people are actually the ‘opposition’ in general. i think he knows and sense it and that’s why he so afraid of being loose out thus so crap threats he made recently. ”

Maybe, that may also explain why the influx of new citizen…. – to replace the current ones since the birth rates is so low, coupled with people migrating.

In my opinion, it’s a desperate measure as the new citizens will realize sooner or later that they are facing the same problem as the existing ones, their sons have to go NS, increasing higher cost of living, worsen job market and increasing competition, etc.

MM is arrogant and complacent

He is trying to reinforce the msg to us humble slaves that it’s pointless to fight against the kingdom he has established.

With each passing year, he has tightened the security measures to ensure that it gets harder and harder for the opposition to win anything (they would be lucky to be able to retain their current wards).

Now with each GRC being helmed by a Minister – it is quite impossible to win. Even if a ‘freak of nature’ happens, I can only pray tt every vote is being accounted for so the results will be really what they are.

Somebody pls get him a book on “Learning to Let Go” cos obviously he has difficulties doing so – he seems to think the empire is his and his alone (tog with his family). And he is still trying to brainwash us after so many years tt the opposition is ‘evil’ and ‘out to squander’ away our national reserves when the fact is – who has been making losses all this while?

I have a few questions

1) Why would it be a freak result if the opposition took over? What i would consider freakish is that there is a twice elected President who nobody ever voted for.

2) Where do the loyalties of the President lie? To Singapore or the PAP? Does he block the reserves simply because it’s the plan of an opposition govt regardless of the merits of the plan?

3) Aren’t top officials or the civil service for that matter supposed to be politically neutral? Does LKY mean that the top officials are in place not because of their capabilities but because they are PAP cadres?

4) Does he mean that if the opposition won by a majority vote, the President and top officials will ignore the will of the people?

Sounds to me like that accusations of a famiLEE dynasty are not unfounded. The MM has all but confirmed it.

oh ya and to add on – who has been getting fat pay checks on this while too?

Some cunning fox wants the citizens to think that election is a game, a number game to be more specific

15 yrs to think of ways to safeguard the national coffers? then, why no change of management at temasick, when mistakes after mistakes being made??

I believe LKY is really mad. He is so afraid of losing. I wonder why singapore can have such a person as a leader.

LKY said he spend 15 years to think of all these. So he think he is god. Without him, singapore will sink? On the contrary, LKY is the one causing the down fall of Singapore.

Then he mentioned about the President. The late President Ong did a job as a President should do, then what happen to him?
Now, the current President looks more like a dog, than behaving and doing the job as a President. I thought President should act as a balance force in the system, but yet the current one looks like a servant of LKY.

LKY is really power craze.

Why are people constantly threatened with the possibility of losing reserves if opposition is voted in the parliament ? This is a lame and invalid reason for not having oppositions in parliament.

Might be a good time to see the other parties get their act together and prove that they don’t exist simply to counter what the PAP says, because my impression of them is that they exist only because PAP exists. I haven’t been convinced that the other parties in Singapore are able to provide feasible alternatives, instead of rhetoric that everyone likes to indulge in far too much.

well, he could be genuinely paranoid about the future of Singapore or unable to envision a Singapore without PAP. I certainly can’t, at the moment.

So who is exactly the one running the country right now, MM or PM ? Why is the PM not making any noise while the MM is making so much noise ?

Man Propose but God Dispose.

LKY once commented: A brillant father will has a brillant son…….So what has happened & caused to his eldest grandson (his mum), that resulted Ho Jinx entered into famiLee scene.

When Seng Han Tong got burnt and on the road to recovery, the local media keep publishing his photos, so why there ain’t any photos or news on old man’s wife from the media since last year?……No news mean Bad news.

The more he talks, the more people hated him. Many Singapoeans (young & old) are reaching to the boiling point. It will come to a stage where people will just Vote for Oppositions who ever they are.

FamiLee star is no longer shining brightly & getting dimmer each day.
LKY is no s’pore idol.

Singaporeans will Not be patient to wait for 10yr (3650days) to know PAP still exist or not because by then the reserve will be dried up, GST & inflation will be sky high.

It is not so much whether PAP will win in election but rather whether LKY will breathe in the next second. Many will cheers of old man passing.

Dear SinKaporean, any one could predict the future but the future is in your own hand. Use your vote come the GE. I will. Unless we stand shoulder to shoulder to boot out this tyrant, the future of our children will suffer just like we are. We and our fore fathers had made a big mistake, I just hoped we learn from it and do the right thing. He may continue to intimidate us by his dire predictions, but how well off are we? Japan and Taiwan had shown the way forward and it is time we fellow them. They had (PAP) 50 years to build a nation and we still had a nation of transient who no longer is proud to be a SinKaporean. Men suffered because employers find it cheaper to hire FT & FW without NS obligation and our women and children also suffere also as the men could not earn enough to keep them in comform. Is that the way of live our fore father wanted? 50 years is long enough in a live time. We had trusted the PAP and it is time to give the opposition a chance. Our pension money (CPF) is squandered away and no one take responsibilities for it. Is that a good gahmant? Is there any country in the world that pay its ministers in million of dollar a year in wages and the rest of the citizens had their pay frozen for the last 10 years? I know we have to compete with China & India but ministers are paid to find solutions and not just help themselves to the nation wealth which sadly is what we have now. Shall we have more of the same for our children if one had any? We are aways reminded that our neigbour had corruptions, yes it is true but we have one better. We legalised it and they (PAP) could take what they want openly. Are they doing any better to cope with the current world recession compare to say Malaysia? I for one say they are not. All we have to do is just open our eyes and talk to people in kopi tian.People are suffering big time. Bills are going up for every day household goods. I think we should ask ourselves what sort of live do we want for our children? Could they (PAP) be trusted.In a democracy we do not build a dynasty but one is build in before our eyes. The kennedy in USA was build through open elections, all on their own merit not just because daddy is boss man so son also become boss. If we SinKaporean are not careful, we may become slave without realising it one day in the not too distance future.The founder could be the distroyer also. When are going to get wise? We had sleep walk for the last 50 years and are we going to so the same for the next 50 years?We may be frighten but if we all cast our vote wisely come the next GE, atleast history will record we have tried regardless of the results. We all know Taiwan & Japan had done it and the countries are still around. Are we all moron, gullible and incapable of independence thinking.

In 10yrs time, LKY will be 95, the only old man still earning millions. Even Japan’s LDP has been replaced by DPJ, when’s our turn leh?

You can bet your last dollar the next President will another PAP puppet just like our present one or who knows they might extend the present puppet for another term given he has done all that he has been asked of by the PAP.

Rest assured the PAP knows if he were to stand against anyone in a voter election he will surely loose. Even a layman will be voted in against him. Thats why they asked Ong Teng Cheong not to stand coe they know he would have won easily and be a torn in their side.

So looks like the present President might be earning a few millions more as the highest paid President in the whole wide world! Wow we should all be proud of him cos it’s another first for SINGAPORE!

Him predicting that he will win the next two elections is just so much bravado talk. He has to sound brave and garang in face of adversity. As with the investment debacles at GIC and Temasek and his readings of the economy, he will once again be catastrophically wrong. The PAP will win the next election with a much reduced majority, and they will lose the one after next, by a narrow margin, and then they will start to make trouble, destabilise the new govt and stage a comeback. But if the new Opp govt is steady and can “manage” them, albeit with ISA etc. then democracy will have a chance, and the Opp will have an opportunity to prove themselves.

did that pompous bourgeoisie charbo (catherine lim) of leisure asked that stupid question about “freaked result”? If it becomes a reality..i suggest the army should send her to some pigs farm for intellectual rehab! And that senile crap can join her as well!

The only viable opposition that can materialise will be when the old man passes on — and a split occurs within the PAP. That is inevitable. The split that is — as well as the passing of the Old Guard.
My lament is that after over 40 years of independence, we have yet to see the emergence of a viable opposition. Japan has one — it finally dislodged the LDP. Indonesia has seen change with the departure of the despotic Suharto — and its economy is barelling along quite nicely. Korea — South Korea that is — has also weathered the changes in its political strcture.
Even our dear old neighbour, Malaysia, has seen tumultuous changes. We can hope that it is all for the better. At least, the Barisan Nasional is not wringing its hands and saying that all is doom now that the Paskatan is making inroads.
Let’s hope that we will also see political maturity in Singapore, and the emergence of a viable opposition. The people of Singapore deserve one after 40 years.

Its not surprising what he says.
According to Martin Lee, HK human rights lawyer, the PAP has been able
to engineer the GE results in a way they would know right down to which opposition candidates would be elected and which would be defeated.
I hope the tide of change we noticed recently across the world would continue
to sweep right here in the next GE

I “didnt know” that our President was appointed by a committee of government officials to protect their jobs….I always thought he is an elected President by the people as a check and balance to the Government.

Maybe the person can publish a book on “Dummies’ guide to formulate safeguards for a country”. How were bills for all these safeguards passed in the parliament ? I bet they were passed in the same manner as the recent the “Public Order Act “, 82 yes-votes and no questions ask as usual. Perhaps building two casino was also a “safeguard”. Decisions are always being made without people consultation or feedback and they just make all the rules they like.

Is there something else that we’re missing?

Is he saying that pap is expecting to lose more seats is the next 2 elections?

…. So that by the 3rd, they may be out?

Then there’ll be no “freak” results but something which evolved over 10 years.

Let’s all work towards that shall we?

Governments are arbitrary constructs of the people. If people rebel, there’s nothing much governments can do for their power is derived from the very same dissidents.

Like Gilbert, I do agree with MM Lee. Unless something huge happens (like some major corruption scandal) within the PAP, opposition parties will not be able to capture much seats. Maybe, if the wind blows right, a GRC or two, but PAP will still be the majority (and, for that matter, a two-thirds majority).

But of course, this is no reason why we ought to throw our hands up in the air and give up.

I guess it all boils down to what MM Lee means by winning. Winning can simply refer to capturing MP seats. Winning can also refer to capturing enough MP seats to form Government. So what does MM Lee mean by Opposition not winning? Unable to capture more than 2 seats at the next GE?

Why Singaporeans simply don’t care:

“…if you’re looking for the guilty, you need only look into a mirror. I know why you did it. I know you were afraid. Who wouldn’t be? War, terror, disease. There were a myriad of problems which conspired to corrupt your reason and rob you of your common sense. Fear got the best of you, and in your panic you turned to the now high chancellor, Adam Sutler. He promised you order, he promised you peace, and all he demanded in return was your silent, obedient consent.” – V

Dear S’porean,

Firstly, in regards to the vote. Do cast to opposition for the sake our future. We have to reduce the percentage of the votes going to PAP. If you still refuse to accept such an arrangement, do void the vote so that % will less for PAP. If not, they will think that most of us support them. Have a thought of it and do remember give our opposition a chance to fight for us.

Secondly, in regards to LHL. He has just the tilte but no power. A this moment, MM is still calling the shots everywhere. He still demand respect and royalty from all fields. In fact I quite pitty him as his age , he should enjoy life now. He should learn to let go and let the new leaders take over and move on. Times has change, he just cannot use the old authoritive method comanding around.

Lastly, election had to fair to all especially to opposition. Time frame was so short for anybody to made a choice of vote for the next 4 years. We as the voters should voice out for the change so that everyone got the time to select our new leaders.

#28, Gabriel,

well written,
The DPJ whiched defeated long governing LDP, was founded by veterans spilt from LDP, so they know the game rules
In Malaysia, Anwar came from UMNO
In China, some founding members of China communist party were from KuoMingTang, KMT.
Therefore, you can expect pap use heavy hands on ex YP who joined opposition parites in GE.

If my memory is correct, recall that in 1990, after Goh CT took the PM position, he once commented that a possible two parties system may emerge if there is a split in PAP, his comment was quickly shot down by MM Lee ( the SM Lee).

So, there are many roads that lead to Rome, hoping that pap will split is a far dream, for the tight control of cadre voting system in pap makes it hard to split. This is a page copied from Malayan Communist Party.

To hope of a strong opposition party evolve by itself, gathering willing and talents to form a new govt is also uphill given the fears of being targeted and victimized by govt should u get involved in opposition parties’ activities.

So, pap has succeeded in controling the pipeline, hence MM can sound like a crystal ball teller in predicting when and the odds and chances of an aletrnative govt…

…. well he and his disciples can continue to dominate for as long as they could sweet talk you into giving them more “landslide election victories”, but the people will be the loser if such unhealthy situation continues.

Why only 2? If I have total control of the mass media, sue anybody I don’t like, I can draw electorial boundaries and steamroll the parliament with funny rules like GRC, I will win the next 10 elections, why only 2?

in spite of such a position they are only confident of 2 elections… ithey must really be screwing up badly.

Is the MM thus implying that the present President is beholden to the PAP as well as the top police, army and civil service officials?

In which democracy is a political party able to exercise influence over civil servants when that party is no longer in power?

Is MM trying to hold on to power through unfair means?

To plan for the toppling of the current regime, we may need a major shift of thinking and mentality among the population.

Election will only be viable if voters can make good choices between an opposition party and the ruling party. Right now, our main problem is a lack of good suitable candidates representing the opposition. Without a reasonably good oppostion, there can be no changes – that’s the crux of a democratic election. And this is also the only way for change.

PAP is smart – they have invalidate the opposition so much that there is no one to block their progress, however badly they perform in governance.. In other words, they are almost invincible by virtue of their planning and scheme as mentioned by Gabriel (28). Our people are also motivated to work doubly hard to make ends meet so much so that they are politically apathetic or too tired to care about politics.

Too many people I spoke to simply care about making a living rather than going for political change – which I believe is part of the government’s scheme. Why would MM Lee these few years fight so hard for tens of thousands of foreigners to become citizens? Chances are these foreign-based citizens will pledge allegiance to the ruling party who hands them their passport to prosperity – all at the expense of many Singaporeans who remained jobless up till now.

To plan for deep seated changes, many capable people may need to make sacrifices and stand up for election either as independent candidates or for opposition parties.

Their sacrifices will allow people to realise that there are viable options besides voting for the current government.

I think many SIngaporeans feel that the next election will be one that will change the political climate of Singapore. Many GRCs will be fiercely fought – not only the one at Aljunied GRC.

PAP will want to delay the GE till next year when the economy turns for the better. MM Lee senses that this time round he will face one of his fiercest election in history. I doubt that he can last for another two more elections. PM Lee HL will probably hand over in five years’ time – he knew that he is not doing a good job.

My sensing is that the time has come for great changes within our country. The current recession plus numerous mistakes made by the government provide great incentives for the oppostion to make an impact. There an never be any other better time…

“PAP will win next two elections: Lee Kuan Yew”

Not if I have anything to say about this!

At the rate Temasek is losing our hard-earned money, it doesnt require an irresponsible opposition-turned government to lose it in 5 years.

[...] I have mentioned about MM’s confidence on his system to safeguard the regime, news broke. http://theonlinecitizen.com/2009/09/pap-will-next-two-elections-lee-kuan-yew/ took from [...]

Is it me or do people agree that this guy making comment 40 is sounding like Viswa and need a bloody wake-up call ? Keep making rhetorics like he’s very knowledgeable.

What is the price of elitism ? Look at what the country has become because of this idealogical thinking that only elites can run the country well. they just help themselves with the country’s wealth. If we keep searching for promising opposition figures, then we are falling in the trap of PAP. That will buy them time and history will keep repeating itself again and again and again. Vote in opposition and do not judge political candidates by qualifications. We have paid too much a price for our mistakes in the past and should not be so gullibl;e this time.

Otherwise “all our hard-earned savings could go in five years,” he said. “I spent 15 years thinking up these safeguards.”

”’( well said mr lee! all your hard earn money? you spend 15years to safeguard your family? we would say yes you did!”)

opposition will finish the saving in 5years? how could you predict when you are losing billions in split seconds?
atleast they waste the money helping us singaporeans in 5years to make a better life rather than you wasting billions in you own share and trades..for your own benefits!!

Singapore’s elder
statesman Lee Kuan Yew said Wednesday that he expects his People’s Action Party to win the next two elections to extend its grip on power by as much as 10 more years

”(to extend your pap grip on power by as much as 10years??

this sentences shows how greedy your are!!
this sentences shows you are more concern of power rather than we singaporeans life and families and children!

“But if we don’t find a good team in the election after that, and the opposition gets a good team together, we are at risk.”

”( can you mr lee kuan yew be more specific on who is the we are at risk?)

from what we read the whole article it shows that you and your entire family will be at risk! can we put it that way to you? yes it is indeed.

if the opposition took power by a “freak result,” it won’t be allowed to fire top police, army and other officials without the approval of the president, who is appointed by a committee of government officials

what crap is this?? you are out that means your son follows you together. there is no such thing you and your family still in power!!

if the pap is out your are out as you are the founder of it and you will be the one to lost it. so just accept it and move on. don’t put your son as president as it doesn’t serve any purpose as you will be playing the game behind your son and your son follow the game you order him to. in that way what differents does it make?

Sounds likw thia old man had already planned his alternative move to replace the next elected President to be someone within or close to his family hah! so even if their party lose, the next new govt will still not be able to touch the nation reserve without the President’s permission. Possible reason? could it be they’ve already emptied the entire reserve and without any access to opening up the vault, no one would ever no if those $billions belonging to the people of singapore is still there, right or not?

YOU CAN’T HANDLE THE TRUTH!

it is time for PAP to lose 1 GRC AND 3 SINGLE SEATS

1 GRC & 3 Singles? what? is that all we singaporeans can do after torturing us for the last 44 years? c’mon you victims of singapore can do much better than that!

The ramblings of the weak. :( Are there any political sites out there that cater to the intelligentsia?

Talking about freak election, wonder if this is already in their plan.

‘Is the MM thus implying that the present President is beholden to the PAP as well as the top police, army and civil service officials?’ kim san @ 39

Now you why LKY insists on paying out of this world salary to his Ministers and
top civil servants ?
Human nature are just like animals, you do not bite the hand that feed you and
so far Old Man has proven to be correct. Our civil service works just like the branch of the PAP.
Only thing is the Civil Service are stupid not to know who actually pay their salaries.
Many of PAP candidates and Ministers are drawn from the Army and Adminstrative Service

He will be lucky if Tanjong Pagar GRC is not contested. I can bet my life savings he will lose that seat. Majority wants him out even though they still prefer the PAP. With regards to their confidence of being in government for the next 10 years, haven’t they heard about political tsunami. Singapore is on course for that event. It is inevitable and will come at the most unexpected circumstances.

Yeah!!! Game on. : ) Let’s see if he & his elite BS lackeys can out live me. He knows where me vote goes as long as I m still alive. It’s about time to put some balance in the scale of power.

So hor, after 50+ comments hor, the question still not answer leh.

Will the army be called in if ” freak result” happen?

Contrary to your beliefs, your one vote is futile in tipping the balance of power. LOL :)

8) SoSad on September 3rd, 2009 5.17 pm “even if the opposition took power by a “freak result,” it won’t be allowed to fire top police, army and other officials without the approval of the president, who is appointed by a committee of government officials.”

Of course the old man knows very well that if the new govt can change all the top police and army officials, he and all those corrupted MIW will be in deep shit, probably could even end up in prison too, with all their wealth confiscated back to the country.

“Will the army be called in if ” freak result” happen?”

That depends on how aggressive the opposition will become. That’s when the army has to decide on securing their own livelihood or sacrificing their self-interests for the country. I’m a cynic so I wouldn’t hesitate to predict the former to happen.

[i]took power by a “freak result,” it won’t be allowed to fire top police, army and other officials without the approval of the president, who is appointed by a committee of government officials.[/i]

and leekuanyew was tellin us that the president of singapore is people elected president…no wondered even hoching is immuned in gettin FIRED…
biggest joke is when/if the government falls in the hands of fresk or whatever FAIR election..who cared whether president have power or not? even uncle sam political rules is whichever party won..the ambassadors can be replaced as lon as he can support the candidates…

Singapore is ready for a two party system.
Asians are waking up to understand what is politics.
It’s all about CHANGE….

Philippines
Indonesia
Thailand
South Korea
Taiwan
Japan
Malaysia (next change)
Singapore (coming soon)

“Will the army be called in if ” freak result” happen?”

Of course, wayang wayang to make things as though the freak thingy is from the oppositions even if its planted by them. Believe me, it will be a freak election and they will still claim back the power automatically, whether you like it or not.

Changing for changing’s sake? LOL :D

Does anyone realize how biased this article quoted above is? MM Lee was simply answering a question about whether the military will be utilized in the event of a ‘freak result’ in elections. The controversial words like ‘freak result’ came from the question! not from MM Lee’s biaseness towards the opposition. The article did not even quote the original question or establish the context of MM’s answer… typical sensationalist reporting that use distorted facts and forced punchlines..
and still so many ppl are jumping on how this quotes show how MM is power crazed, arrogant, etc… :s does anyone really believe PAP has done so badly that any opposition is better for the future of Singapore?

and so what if PAP is still in power 10 years from now? is the current political drama in malaysia, thailand very attractive? does anyone really think the opposition can do a better job than the current govt?
I am surprised that so many ppl don’t appreciate the current singapore and the govt more.
our tax rates are much lower than other devp countries (while our govt don charge income tax for e first S$20,000 earned, thereby helping the poor, USA charges at least 10% even for its poor!)
our economy is recovering much better than many other countries.(this is v good considering we are just an island city-state!)

if MR LEE KUAN YEW has been a good leader and had given us singaporeans a better life and future and handling singapore like no other then why only 2 election more? why another 10 years more? he should rules forever and singaporeans will be by his side till his grave

but now he just want to finish out all singaporeans and top it up with 99.99% foreign in 10years and he will let go. by then what can our opposition do?how are they going to run the country if it is at the limit where by only 00.01% singaporeans left?

first of all at after 10years does anyone if so will vote opposition?
that shows pap rules forever in the hand of his son and soon new generation of pap and it take another 5years to completely clear off singaporeans

TO:
47) tiredsingaporean on September 3rd, 2009 8.39 pm

you are right. there is something wrong somewhere that they restrict other from looking into it. to preserve the truth all this years.

PAP is totally out this time and the goverment alone with opposition? very soon the truth will be dig out in no time and the president will have to step down with nothing but humilation to himself and his dearly father and familees………

Talking about freak election,

why name it freak election??

is it because lee kuan yew is freaking out of the opposition like what would possibly happen to him like how it happen in japan?

maybe the japan election freak him out but instead he name the opposition a freak indirectly.

this is nasty

MM is saying that Malaysia’s and Japan’s latest elections are both “freak results”. When there is a “freak result” in Singapore this coming elections, the police and army will be mobilised and Singapore will be like Myanmar. Sad thing is he will not live to see this coming elections and thus the “freak result”.

“I spent 15 years thinking up these safeguards…”

I laughed when I read that line. He can be so frank with Singaporeans and yet there is nothing the opposition can do about it because they know LKY is right.

The opposition has to pull up its socks if it wants a chance at earning a few million a year. Blaming its competition is not going to cut it with the majority of sound-minded Singaporeans. It’s always hilarious to see them do that.

By the way, who amongst the opposition can anyone see having the smarts to conclude a free-trade agreement with another country? I always wanted to find that out. I use the FTA only as an example as trade is arguably freaking important to this tiny island nation. I understand some are still concerned about toilet cleaners, etc.

by Come Together*, formerly known as R.o.D

* A song from Abbey Road by The Beatles

Lee, who now has the title of mentor minister, said even if the opposition took power by a “freak result,” it won’t be allowed to fire top police, army and other officials without the approval of the president, who is appointed by a committee of government officials.

Wow.. this just means no matter what it is… Letting go of full power is just out of the question even if they are no longer in power….

Am I the only one who thinks that BusinesWeek is becoming irrelevant?

by Come Together*, formerly known as R.o.D

* A song from Abbey Road by The Beatles

“PAP will win next two elections: Lee Kuan Yew”

That’s one Highfalutin idea….

1. who is ready to take over the MM ? Its high noon liao wor.

2. what would the leader who replace him be like? can he be as gung ho, garang ?

3. who in your opinion has the x-factor of an ambitious politician?

4. who will take over GI…..? succession planning???? high noon?

5. what will be our future be like?

6. in what ways will our opposition scene change after the ….. of the ….. man?

7. will there be a new harl……for all of us to look forward to?

as you can see, full of questions. i very the hsien leh

@56
1 vote will have resounding effect, as one so wisely stated and i quote
“In an aircraft carrier, you can be playing soccer in one corner and have jets taking off in another, and the carrier remains stable,”. “In a rowboat, it makes sense for everyone to row in the same direction.” (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/12/07/AR2008120701924.html)

pls take notice of the term ‘everyone’. that’s why i think it is unwise to brush it off as inconsequential.

however, the point of the calling in the army, in the event of the freak results occurs is moot. as pointed out by Kishore Mahbubani, who quoted Dr Goh Keng Swee when the PAP suffered the 1st defeat in 1981, (paraphrased from ST article Can Singapore Fail) ” We failed because we did not even conceive the possibility of failure”. it has only strengthened their resolve to conceive even greater possibilities of failure, in the hopes of getting back Hougang and Potong Pasir.

Regards

It seems to me that the pap has started to throw a lot of smoke screens recently to divert our attention from issues such as jobless rate, FT/FW/PR, high influx of new immigrants, etcs. I expect this tactic will continue until the next GE. The purpose is to instill fear in singaporeans that if pap falls singapore will falls definitely.

This is what I call slow poisoning. Day in day out, week in week out through local media TV, local newspapers the pap will broadcast to all household that only pap loves singapore and only pap can rule singapore well. Opposition parties do not love singapore and will destroy singapore.

ever wonder why LHL spent so much time on racial harmony issue? Could it be that pap wants to divert our attention from those issues that I mentioned above? Or could it be that there is really conflicts between the new immigrants and FT/PR with the rest of the local breed singaporeans chinese, malay, indian, eurasian? If we view the new immigrants and FT/PR as a “race” then there is a possibility.

You want to complain about unaccountability of government?

Here’s a great example of what we do NOT have in Singapore: a U.S. congressman throws out interviewer questioning national debt. Have a look.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UjbPZAMked0&feature=channel_page

Cheers.

by Come Together*, formerly known as R.o.D

* A song from Abbey Road by The Beatles

40) Gilbert Goh on September 3rd, 2009 8.06 pm
“To plan for the toppling of the current regime, we may need a major shift of thinking and mentality among the population.”

Agree but i think based on last 2 elections and I still could not believe the outcome, that they never even win any GRC, I am pessimistic about the loyal opposition’s chances. To be honest, i really have not seen them progressing even up to now.

I just hope new citizens who come in have this kind of mentality and thinking. Its faster this way. Old dogs cannot learn new tricks. Mentality change requires a lot of time.

I prefer to give up on existing singaporeans.

Many of the opposition supporters who turned out by the tens of thousands at each rally in the last 2 elections are still stunned and bitter about the lack of progress. Many are reported to have migrated. I fear to think how many more would give up their pink IC and red passport and withdraw their CPF IF they continue to not even win 1 grc and so lets not even talk about a landslide victory.

I want to migrate but finding it hard being jobless. Any of you know of any nice country like australia would want me and i am jobless, let me know. I not sure how to apply for skilled migration without my old job which is high-skill-based.

Every words that I’ve read from him, I could only make one conclusion, typically “Abuse Power”.
Sad to see that Opposition are not working hard at the ground and takes this good opportunity to gain voters supports.

omg, the old man can play erection for next 10 years !

LKY: Otherwise “all our hard-earned savings could go in five years,” he said. “I spent 15 years thinking up these safeguards.”

The very system he devise to keep himself in power can very well be used against him.

i tend not to expect much from our loyal opposition anymore.

But there is a consolation prize for all.

Its based on Time and it must and will happen.

A guaranteed consolation prize.

77) Fong M.Y. on September 3rd, 2009 10.46 pm
“…Sad to see that Opposition are not working hard at the ground and takes this good opportunity to gain voters supports. ”

My heart weeps for the loyal opposition Supporters! You are the best!

Opposition leaders, we have given you our support in the last 2 elections. I hope you reciprocate by giving us the best shot you have, every ounce of your ability and energy.

If no wins, I quit. The end.

every news that lee kuan yew comes out with his word and sentences make people hate him more and more. the way he wrote all that it says:

i’m in power i’m in power.
i’m in grip of all singaporeans
i’m in control

Ladies and gentleman, let us just ponder what SGP will be like 10 years from now with PAP still leading us….by then, if we want to change, it would have already been to late….

And with regards to our hard earning money been gone, he seems to have forgot someone with the initial HC who heads a SWF lost a large portion of that so called savings? so the 15 years was spend thinking of safe guards against outside force, but not from within?

I really hate to see that singapore 10 years from now

What freak election result is LKY concern about ? when we have the following :-

Freak arrangement of father,son and daughter-in-law running state funds.

Freak election system under PMO, intimidation tactics, GRCs, etc,etc

Freak system of truth and justice with a compliant media and judiciary.

Freak system of governance with non accountability and selective transparency.

Freak system for choosing a puppet President, where no one gets to vote at all.

Freak system of democracy consisting of 81 MPs with no mind of their own.

Most of all, it takes a freak to think only about clinging on to power even if it means jeopardizing the entire country and its people.

By using this phrase “freak result”,not only is he insulting the opposition,he is also insulting those who vote for it.We being insulted by our own leader………
To him,the result will not be deemed freakish if the PAP wins.Implying that you are a freak if you vote for the opposition,his statement doth reveal the high-handedness of this political organisation.

77) Fong M.Y. on September 3rd, 2009 10.46 pm
Opposition are not working hard at the ground and takes this good opportunity to gain voters supports

the question is. not opposition is not working hard if it does, so will they not wanting to work hard to win the heart of singaporeans and make a change that would benefits singaporeans and them too? it is their future and ours we are talking here.

definately they will want the change they will want to win and to help singaporeans.

but the problem is…., we singaporeans keep voting for PAP and how does it stand a chance for the opposition to win?

the only thing opposition should do is approach singaporeans the more the better and talk to them even not the time of elections.

1. The current gov has already shown they are prone to mistakes – massive losses and still hanging on to exhorbitant pay.

2. Importing PRs by the 1000s – Notice on a plane back from China/Xiamen, old men and ladies (cant speak English) and young people are from China are carrying Singapore Red passports. Do you now understand how our citizenship has become a commodity like toilet paper for the sake of winning election.

3. Election 2011 – Last 2 elections was done at 4 year gap. Noticeably a lot of unhappy market sentiments still lingering on from the recession which is yet to be over. It looks to be that MM is going to delay this further to ensure better chances at poll.

4. 2 Elections more before opposition – I think he is saying if he is not around, his son will live till 90 just like him and make sure his grandson will continue their PM legacy.

Average and poor Singaporeans are the ones to suffer. So if you want to continue to accept and vote for them, be ready to accept harsher realities after next election.

The incumbent government has put in place several measures to ensure ‘even if oppositions win’, things like reserves will still be guarded.

To read between the lines,
1) Oppositions are greedy lots eyeing the money from our reserves.
2) Current government is hindering the healthy development of their political opponents.

The oppositions should consider lodging legal suits against MM for defamatory and unfair practices.

In that case, we should all vote for the opposition and prove him wrong, pompous ass.

Malaysians must be laughing at us for having such a “lao bu si” who talks too much for an elder statesman.

For the sake of all Singaporeans, please just go home and play monopoly…by yourself.

In that case, we should all vote for the opposition and prove him wrong, pompous ass.

Malaysians must be laughing at us for having such a “lao bu si” who talks too much for an elder statesman.

For the sake of all Singaporeans, please just go home and play monopoly…by yourself.

another 2 election not in sight, yet can say such a thing? something not right…

this is the first time he concurs the possibility of PAP losing out in general election in the near future. it was unheard before. at least not even him thinks that PAP will rule for another 1000 years.

unfortunately he painted a bad image of opposition as if they are thirsty for power for the sake of destroying country reserves. does that amount to defamation? perhaps the opposition must charge him in court just like the way he did that to the opposition in the past

looks like MM Lee will “demolish” S’pore’s fortunes as he has done to all who does not see eye-to-eye with him…

Aiyoh…why keep talking about our neighbours…you all like them so much why don’t migrate to the AWESOME Malaysia then? You will be twice as rich and apparently much happier with the government there. GO NOW and all the best. :)

Cheers~

Re #40, Gabriel, you said that …

PAP will want to delay the GE till next year when the economy turns for the better. MM Lee senses that this time round he will face one of his fiercest election in history. I doubt that he can last for another two more elections. PM Lee HL will probably hand over in five years’ time – he knew that he is not doing a good job.

I agree with most of what u said but not the above

1) PM LHL will not step down till his sons get the rank of Lt Col or above

2) Watch for MM’s daughter to stand in the next GE, she tries hard to project a close to people image and ST has given her weekly space to write story, in short, image building and warm up for GE

3) LHY’s son in Oxford is the next Lee’s princleing to watch, well, he claime dthat he got straight As in GCE A but failed in CL2, and he said that he has NO PASSION in the mother tongue, wow, straight talk but rootless !

4) PM said that the next PM will be in his 30s standing in next GE, LHL first stood in 1984 and became PM in 2003 ( 2004?),

It takes 19 years to groom a PM, he may not last another 19 years ( as he is already 57) with same energy, unless he appoints 5 to 7 DPM to help him…( we already have a MM, 2 SM and 2 DPM, don’t be surprise to have more DPM !), so, he can be around for another 10 years at least,

If anything happens to him before that, pap may appoint an interim PM for 5 yaers, till his sons or the new PM is ready.

Ng Eng Hen is the one to watch if an interim PM is needed…

at the end, the pap will not let go Sg control no matter what, unless more singaporeanvote wisely for accountability, check and balance and remove the sleeping ruling MPs

My comments from this reading:

1. LKY said, “I spent 15 years thinking up these safeguards.”
Is that an admission that he has been plotting for 15 years to put these “safeguards” in-place to hinder opposition? Is this an open admission to OPPRESSION rather than DEMOCRACY? Or is this his and PAP’s definition of democracy?

2. “Lee Kuan Yew said Wednesday that he expects his People’s Action Party to win the next two elections to extend its grip on power by as much as 10 more years.”
I have not heard of such proclamation from a leader in any democracy except in, maybe, Zimbabwe. Can such an open display of confidence by an elected official be representative of a democratic state?

3. As for #2 Gilbert Goh’s comment on the opposition, “our government has done a good job of undermining the opposition during this past decade rendering them very infeective.”
To Gilbert and those who think alike, I can only say that you’ve been effectively “poisoned” by the skewed local media. Stay away from The Straits Times or any other Party mouthpiece! Who is to say that guy in flip-flops filing for candidacy is not as capable as the clowns in WHITE? Just because the candidate like Mah Poh Tan who runs on a PAP ticket means he/she is credible? Capable? Viable?

I say, put them on the spot, vote for them and see what they can do! They could be the second coming of JBJ. Afterall, we are assured that the next 2 elections will see a majority PAP anyways!!

The old fart thinks he can be around to fix the outcome for the next two elections.
I hope the Opp will surprise him and the sissy son by contesting in their wards.

It will be the mother of all political contests and of course I hope for a freak result !

he is so arrogant and the PAP thinks that they can still control the country even though the people vote them out.

Mr LKY is shooting himself in the foot. His speech only show that he really thinks Singaporean are all stupid and dumb. His arrogant will be his and his party downfall. He even tells everyone they he has tweaked the system so that even if the people choose a new government, they will not get control in managing the nation. There will be ridiculous restricting for any new government. They cannot even use the international reserves to do anything.

What type of democracy is this. SO even if we elect a new government, the new government will not be able to make changes? Where in then world does such democracy exist?

Why is Mr LKY so proud about all these selfish and undemocratic schemes that he put in place. He really wants to be the first emperor of singapore?

Good bye, Jon Bon Nolti!

1. Jobless and choosy.

2. It is great the opposition leaves Singapore. It shows their hypocrisy, if not, their inability to tough it out when the going gets tough. Running Singapore isn’t for wimps.

80) Today I cried on September 3rd, 2009 10.52 pm

“If no wins, I quit. The end.”

Yet another ‘loyal’ opposition. I am having a field day here, folks!

Yamamoto

“Ladies and gentleman, let us just ponder what SGP will be like 10 years from now with PAP still leading us….by then, if we want to change, it would have already been to late….”

Once again, another meaningless statement. An argument without a premise. Etc. Typical of the opposition. No solid arguments. Grasping at straws. =D

Yamamoto

I imagine the next 10 years will be great when the ‘loyal’ opposition decides to prove where their concerns really lie when they leave Singapore – themselves.

only wimps play dirty, have lots to fear (because they know they are not up to standard) & are too afraid to face that truth! :P

To mice is nice,

So where will you migrating to? =)

Why doesn’t anyone want to migrate to the U.S.?

Oh, you will get to really enjoy the democratic process in that country I tell you. You’ll love it. You’ll love the number of issues at stake over there it might be your political wet dream.

Oh, how about Malaysia? Okay, that’s a little more difficult I admit.

It’s embarrassing for the ‘loyal’ opposition and this online space that the comments on the Washing Post article seem to be more constructive and balanced. Truly.

Oh boy!Our MM.LEE really has a messiah complex.Without Him and His heavenly
hosts,our Singapore will slide into oblivion.After His passing,He has His kingdom
well in placed by anointing a president to jargar our Singapore interests.Assuming
that this president is clean and honest.Question.Is the president going to decreed
himself/herself to be president for life and has power to pick future presidents at
his or her choosing?Mr.Lee where is your confidence in your own country citizens.
Remember!,CORRUPTION,not OPPOSITION Parties,that will bring down a country
and plunder its wealths.PRESTON LOON

Come Together, fomerly known as R.o.D

post #103 on September 4th, 2009 3.11 am

////So where will you migrating to? =) ////

Pada Branca? i dun think got any FWs there right?

Live another 10 years?
Don’t worry, trust me.. it will be soon.

LKY can hand on to all the power that he wants. But it will be over for him in a twinkling of an eye. How long can he live? He knows that it is not the present stage that he needs to worry – jailing opositions, playing underhand tactics to put himself and his family members at prominent positions so that he can reap in the billions rightfully belonging to Singaporeans. It is the eternal condemnation that he has to face. The restitution for him will be so great that LKY will regret what he had for those people he repressed and suppressed. No worries, it is a matter of time, he will face the biggest Boss of all. I dont wish to be in his position. Gain power and money for this life but loses his soul forever.

I hate the way he put it so self-confidently thinking he has planned his move move for 15 years. If the citizens wanted them out, they have to leave amicably and not thinking of secretly toppling the new elected govt. I also presumed how he has plotted his son to be PM, his daughter-in-law to be the head of Temasek and all his family gangster to be heading some important establishments.

He even mentioned how he has used the police force and army officer at his whims & fancy and even the president is under his charge should a new govt arise. This is a very scary thing to say because it shows the loopholes of Singapore system and our judiciary system is even more questionable.

Singapore belongs to the people not the PAP. PAP is not a nation. It is just a party that can be renewed or changed if Singaporean deemed fit. The morale of our NS men is not high, 3 millions disgruntled Singaporean against a few hooligans in parliament and see who is outnumbered. If pap is too forced too hard on the people, it will definitely backfire and the party will perish forever in bad name for generations.

We are not interested in the hardware of this country as painted by Lee Hsien Loong, we want a Singapore with soul.

Given their desperation to win, I think they will try anything possible in order for them to achieve their means. Why is there no exit poll in Singapore to check on them?

Is there going to be stuffing of ballot boxes like in Cheng San? Given their hold on so many institutions of power, who will dare to whistle blow on them if they really play cheat?

Put it this way fellas. MM is not dumb. He knows the PAP is finished, kaput! It no longer is the same force it once was – and death is now at its doorstep.

His bold declaration that the PAP will go on for another two terms is nothing but a desperate ploy to have Singaporeans believe that his son’s team might be the only remaining ‘good’ team left for Singapore.

I suggest the Alternatives take their cue from this and start building their own teams. The time is also ripe for professionals with political aspirations to join forces with the alternatives. The doors to a political career has just been opened and the prospects look better in the alternative camps.

MM has a poor mentality. Why pap govt can use the reserves, and the opposition govt. can not ?? Why in 5 years the reserves will dry up if under opposition govt ?? He always think that opposition is bad, and any how use the money. I tell you it is the pap govt that any how use the money, paying themselves billions of $$ , losing 40 billions and nothing happens to the CEO ??

aVoice@63: It is not true that the poor pay 10% in taxes the USA. The poor get tax rebates in cash when they file their income tax. Of course they pay services tax when you buy anything which could range anywhere from 6 – 9% depending on which state and county you are in, but Singapore is no better in this aspect withe 7% GST.

To #)2 Gilbert

Are you implying that you will continue to cast your vote for Pap for another 2 terms to govern us until the oppositions are ready? How can they be ready when the people defer them?

I will cast my vote for any party who has been fighting hard for years ie Low Thia Kiang, Chiam See Tong or Chee Soon Juan team. Now I have another choice – the RP. There is no lack of choices in the ballot box. Nobody trusted pap 4 decades ago and they fought hard (to some despicable extend) to win the heart of the people. Now that pap has lost the trust of its people from the ground, alternatives parties can reclaim power again. It isn’t difficult, they just need to provide heartware to the people (tactic employed by pap in the past) since we have the infrastructure ready.

PAP is no longer the people party, president is no longer the people president which is a sure thing now and in the future, Nobody knows what hidden agenda they might harbour to keep themselves in power and our money frozen in their safe.

For the sake of our next generations, give whatever we have to trust the alternative parties for now, give them the name, the prestique and confident so that they can attract more professionals to to build a loving & gracious society for everyone. Do not trust what SPH said about the alternative parties, we know too well what were reported and their motives.

Many professionals wanted to join the alternative parties – frontline and backroom – me included. I do know of people like lawyer, teachers, accountants and businessmen/women to cannot agree with the current govt. In order for them to succeed, we need people like you to at least trust them, vote for them.

A good start is better than nothing at all. If we need your support for oppositions, will you give it to them so that we, the professionals, knowing the alternative parties have strong mandates from you so that we feel at ease serving these parties. If alternative parties do not have people mandate, than pap will create lots of obstacles for anti-pap professionals to serve the people. This LKY message is already a testament to our fear.

If we don’t take action now, we never will – even two terms later.

this is the same guy who said that S’pore is entering a golden era.

How credible is he?

He is frail.

LKY always play the same vinyl record when it comes to opposition politics – the plundering of the nation’s wealth, reserves, etc. Same accusation, prediction and threats. By this alone, he has committed slander. He can get away with this because he controls the appointment of all the critical office holders in government.

Singaporeans should question LKY and his PAP govt:
“Without transparency and accountability, how do we know that the nation’s wealth is well managed, intact, has not been plundered, accurately and genuinely accounted, etc?”

If LKY believes that Singaporeans should trust him and his family based on his track record, then he is senilely mistaken. Singaporeans have awaken to a new dawn while LKY is heading for the sunset abyss, with his family in tow.

These measures to protect the people’s money seems good to me.. what if the elected opposition leaders decide to pay themselves so much money and pretend they deserve it? what if it is more than the leaders of the most powerful countries in the world… scary thought!!

Oopss.. That will definitely happen unless they decide to take a pay cut…

I agree with MM.
Since confident, lets see if they hold the election this year.
Why wait till next year? Refresh the mandate and have another good 5 years.
Next year, everything is unknown.
Everything can change.

I never seen opposition walking about.
To be fair, they do but seriously, honestly, how many of us ever seen them walking about, even from far? I have never. Ever.

63) aVoice,

I need to correct your statements.

“Does anyone realize how biased this article quoted above is? MM Lee was simply answering a question about whether the military will be utilized in the event of a ‘freak result’ in elections. The controversial words like ‘freak result’ came from the question! not from MM Lee’s biaseness towards the opposition. The article did not even quote the original question or establish the context of MM’s answer… typical sensationalist reporting that use distorted facts and forced punchlines.. and still so many ppl are jumping on how this quotes show how MM is power crazed, arrogant, etc… :s”

1. Though you are correct that the phrase “freak result” came from the question, and not MM Lee himself, it appears that you could jolly well be the one who has taken the phrase out of its context. The discussions were not about if MM Lee is the one who first spoke about the phrase, but rather on the respondents’ dissatisfactions and viewpoints with regard to the statement made by MM Lee.

“does anyone really believe PAP has done so badly that any opposition is better for the future of Singapore?”

2. No one is in the position to affirm or refute it, including you. Only time will tell.

“and so what if PAP is still in power 10 years from now? is the current political drama in malaysia, thailand very attractive? does anyone really think the opposition can do a better job than the current govt?”

3. It is all about choice – THE constuitional rights of the citizens.

“I am surprised that so many ppl don’t appreciate the current singapore and the govt more. our tax rates are much lower than other devp countries (while our govt don charge income tax for e first S$20,000 earned, thereby helping the poor, USA charges at least 10% even for its poor!) our economy is recovering much better than many other countries.(this is v good considering we are just an island city-state!)”

4. You have fallen to the very criticism you have alleged and condemned. It is too narrow minded to assess the performance of a government by using tax rates and a general statement that “our economy is recovering much better than many other countries” in an over-simplistic manner. Amongst others, one fundamental error you have made is that it is WRONG to assess the performance of a country on the sole guideline of economic performance, just like how you would assess the performance of a corporation.

119) Everything is Finite. Life is Finite. on September 4th, 2009 10.26 am ,

neither did i see any pap walkin in my constituency except when election is near which means once in few years of walking the constituency.

If based on LKY’s current assessment of when the army should move in to protect the reserves from being plundered, then shouldnt the army have moved in by now to remove his family from power?

I see many of the posters here present logical and intelligent views. Why don’t you join the opposition and stand for next election? I hope you can help bring change.

Another 10 YEARS? 50 no enough meh?
Can we survive that? Oh God please have mercy on us!
Does he believe that he will live another 10 years? Ya, why not? with organ(harvesting) transplants, he will live live on & on. & i suppose only we will not live to see Singapore liberated.! He is going to lose everything & we will be the witnesses to that. The fall is harder when you are higher.

21)Tom:
“The more he talks, the more people hated him. Many Singapoeans (young & old) are reaching to the boiling point. It will come to a stage where people will just Vote for Oppositions who ever they are.”…….

Yes, now that you mention it, i realiise that i started ‘disliking’ him only in the recently times, not before!
Seeing him ‘as he is’ without the coloured lenses has made me see him in a different light, as someone out to ‘destroy ‘ all that we have! How could i love him anymore?

However, i must admit that i used to admire him for his ability, integrity (which i believed he had) & respected him as our founding father. i was so fond of him & trusted him completely & ‘believed’ that he would take us to ‘greater heights’ but never expected that he would lead us to the deepest ‘abyss’ !
Thank you MM, for destroying my faith in you!

The president is that powerful?
Ok, now i got the msg..
MM is ‘hinting that he will be the next President?
Beware Singapore, the mighty & all powerful president is on the making.. we will NEVER see our ‘money’.

Could there be something ‘brewing’ that we are not aware of?
It looks more like MM is now ‘worried’ that PAP will no longer be in power in the ‘near future’ ( no need not 2 elections)…..
Losing the trust & support of many Singaporeans , he must have sensed that Singaporean themselves are becoming more & more opposed to the ruling party. Perhaps there is a ‘nagging’ in him that PAP will be losing ‘big’ including GRCs & not just single seats!

Our opposition parties are not as incompetent as he portrays them to be. He know that many credible candidates will be joining or have already joined the opposition parties, which is why they are not able to find any for themselves.

It is now obvious that despite the character assassinations, ISA, IMH, etc… of the opposition party members, Singaporeans do not seem to ‘believe’ them anymore & are moving towards the oppositions parties.

It has come to a stage where it does not matter anymore who the candidate is , as long as he is not a PAP, he/ she will get myr vote. This trend must be a worrying factor for the PAP’s who are desperately trying to divert our attention to trivialities rather than the isuues concerning us.

The oppositions cannot work openly for the time being, their goals/agenda cannot be revealed, as it will be squashed immediately as it rises.

MM may think that he & his cronies are the only brilliant ones ones who are ‘entitled’ to rule Singapore forever, but somewhere in this island there are much more brilliant Singaporeans ‘waiting to emerge’ to put the Regime in past record. All that is needed is that we vote the oppositions when the time comes.

68) Come Together
“By the way, who amongst the opposition can anyone see having the smarts to conclude a free-trade agreement with another country?”

The current regime has been using this same trick over and over for the past decades, and you still buy that?Moreover, there is PerSec, Ministries, etc to help the minister. The minister just need to appoint the right person for the job. haha… I think you ever heard the term “no one is irreplaceable”?

50) OriginalResonance on September 3rd, 2009 8.53 pm
“The ramblings of the weak. :( Are there any political sites out there that cater to the intelligentsia?”

P65.sg. You should go there. “Great” minds there. Bye bye.

63) aVoice
“I am surprised that so many ppl don’t appreciate the current singapore and the govt more. Our tax rates are much lower than other devp countries (while our govt don charge income tax for e first S$20,000 earned, thereby helping the poor, USA charges at least 10% even for its poor!)
our economy is recovering much better than many other countries.(this is v good considering we are just an island city-state!)”

May be you want to share how much you earn a month and how many mouth can you feed using your salary alone. Followed by if you got retrenched, how long can your savings (amount?) last?

68) Come Together on September 3rd, 2009 10.17 pm
“I spent 15 years thinking up these safeguards…”

His safeguard will not work. Our law allows the President to be handpicked, hence, it works both ways. The one in power just need to put his “president” up there when they become the “majority” seats – this is something singaporeans must learn – never give out “blank cheques” anymore.

75) Come Together on September 3rd, 2009 10.41 pm
“You want to complain about unaccountability of government?

Here’s a great example of what we do NOT have in Singapore: a U.S. congressman throws out interviewer questioning national debt. Have a look.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UjbPZAMked0&feature=channel_page”

Your point is? Cannot complain when you see no accountability?

76) Jon Bon Nolti
“I prefer to give up on existing singaporeans.”

You got it wrong, it’s not about fellow Singaporeans, it’s about what you believe. If you believe the current regime can provide you and your family a better tomorrow, you vote for them. If you don’t, vote someone else.

I am not anti-establishment, I am anti-incompetence government and their policies affects myself and my family.

85) ALL singaporeans
“the only thing opposition should do is approach singaporeans the more the better and talk to them even not the time of elections.”

Singaporeans should actively engage in the social/political sphere instead – we have way pass the marker where the opposition “begs” Singaporeans to vote them. If you can stand up for yourselves, all the better.

Like what 86) ChinesePRbyTheThousands has stated, Average and poor “Singaporeans are the ones to suffer. So if you want to continue to accept and vote for them, be ready to accept harsher realities after next election.”

MM Lee Kuan Yew is confident that PAP will rule Singapore for the next ten years which is likely to be the Case. As it stands, there is no opposition party capable of forming the Government by itself or in a combined majority within the Next Two Elections.

However, the PAP does not seem to be able to hold on much longer after the ten years mentioned by MM Lee. The Sentiments on the Ground are obvious with growing discontent and the MM saw it fit to intimidate electorates by threatening to use the Army in case of a freak election result whereby the PAP gets unseated.

From the looks of unfolding political/social events and developments, dangers of failures are lurking conspicuously. Mentions of demonstration, protest, uprising and revolution were taboo and unheard of, now they are common in Cyberspace and bandy publicly.

Some veteran politicians are getting wise, they plan and contemplate retiring from politics, hoping and praying to enjoy their fortunes in peace and free from political consequences.
The dangerous signs are too potent and latently disastrous for them to ignore.

patriot

Patriot,he can try to use the army…but one thing, look at dear Philippines whereby someone use the army and hope to suppress the people and in the end, that someone was kicked out

And if they are truly as good as they say, why would they have to worry about the case of freakish result? cos i think they know where they stand right now

Hi Yamamoto:

i am very agreeable to your two comments.

Cheers !!

patriot

He has provided lots of wrong analysis these few years.

Hope this time he is right, else the next election the PAP will be like the LDP in Japan.

old fart’s words all along so negative to singaporean is to create fear among us. by now all these words said by him only and no one else, HE IS REAL FREAK HIMSELF!

100) Come Together, fomerly known as R.o.D

Geez, Rod, before you comment on others, please wake up your mind ;-) without contemplating what I am asking and you can go about shooting your mouth off, but guess what, that’s not surprising from someone like you, no matter what you call yourself…

My statement is a question of what if…and what ifs tends to be off the mark…for better or for worse…and someone like ROD doesn’t seems to understand the concept of Change….Rod, if you want to know what happen to a system that doesn’t change, do yourself and Us a favor, look around….

Organizations like the Big3 car maker, Japan’s gov & civilization has fallen from grace due to their arrogance and their inability to change…in a previous post somewhere, using another name, somebody has been telling people to source from reputable source etc etc, and not been trapped by their close-mind, but why does this same person seems to be the frog in the well…Rod, things needs to change to survive, even something like a virus, mutates to serve its purpose…

I am indeed having a field day, enjoying whatever entertainment Rod Who Calls Himself/Herself Comes Together Now provide….thanks alot rod

Thanks a lot Patriot….

I mean, which NSF or NSMen will pick up arms against unarmed civilians? if our dear leader does that, ordering in the army if there is an ‘unlikely’ freakish result,they will become the same as we-know-who

And to add on, someone like our dear esteemed LKY is supposed to be a visionary correct? so this visionary has already seen what the tide of changes is going to do to them

To whatever you call yourself now,

My statement is a question of what if…and what ifs tends to be off the mark…for better or for worse…and someone like ROD doesn’t seems to understand the concept of Change….Rod, if you want to know what happen to a system that doesn’t change, do yourself and Us a favor, look around….

Organizations like the Big3 car maker, Japan’s gov & civilization has fallen from grace due to their arrogance and their inability to change…in a previous post somewhere, using another name, somebody has been telling people to source from reputable source etc etc, and not been trapped by their close-mind, but why does this same person seems to be the frog in the well…Rod, things needs to change to survive, even something like a virus, mutates to serve its purpose…

Organizations like the Big3 car maker, Japan’s gov & civilization has fallen from grace due to their arrogance and their inability to change…in a previous post somewhere, using another name, somebody has been telling people to source from reputable source etc etc, and not been trapped by their close-mind, but why does this same person seems to be the frog in the well…things needs to change to survive, even something like a virus, mutates to serve its purpose…

132) Yama-moto

“I mean, which NSF or NSMen will pick up arms against unarmed civilians? if our dear leader does that, ordering in the army if there is an ‘unlikely’ freakish result,they will become the same as we-know-who”.

His “army”. Not Mindef.

PS: Your forgot about the Gurkhas and WKS.

132) Yama-moto

“I mean, which NSF or NSMen will pick up arms against unarmed civilians? if our dear leader does that, ordering in the army if there is an ‘unlikely’ freakish result,they will become the same as we-know-who”.

His “army”. Not Mindef.

PS: You forgot about the Gurkhas and WKS.

It will be a “freak result” if PAP is elected again. Time to command the army and bring in the police force to protect our savings, otherwise it will mark the end of our hard-earned CPF money because we know there is a jinx that has a habbit of throwing away our monies during her pleasurable shopping spree.

What happens on the 11th year?
Have singaporeans prepared an alternative gomin yet?

Waiting for the last minute?

Have gomin supporters ever Questioned ?

If so, what answers do they have or not have?
If not, what does it mean?

What are they doing about it?

Have they considered the voices on the ground? Their fellow comrades?
How do they feel?

Oh, please !!! Spare us. All the safeguards inplaced are for absurdly selfish intent of satisfying your greed for unlimited power.

You do this by having an iron grip on all things, including the money earned by our hardworking forefathers, and only to have them squandered off by your stupid daughter-in-law !!!

Please, it’s time for you to step aside and die graciously. It’s the only redemption you can do for yourself before you find more ppl pissing at your grave sooner or later.

Hi Freaked,

There is no such thing as a freak result. Even if 60 percent of the electorate were to vote for an alternative party, the PAP will still win 80 seats in parliament.

People think that fighting the PAP is as simple as having a wonderful program for the people. No such thing. Even with a charismatic orator ten times better than LKY to promote its program, it will still be an uphill task.

If the electorate remains timid, disinterested and fearful, then toppling the PAP becomes quite impossible. Of course it is a different story if the electorate feels enough is enough – which is what people like you and me – are counting on.

To defeat the PAP, you not only need a team of dedicated alternatives. You will still face problem even with highly credible candidates. Why? Because you have to tackle the PAP, layer by layer.

The first layer is the MSM. Other layers follow, for example, the Court of law, the police force, the ISA and many more. The final layer has always been LKY himself.

To have LKY suddenly coming out to address all these issues in recent times mean only one thing – that the whole PAP machinery get itself oiled and ready for battle. The first layer has been put in place. This will lead us into the GE where the other layers will be battle-ready. At the end of all this is the certainty that there will be no freak result for the PAP.

I think it is very serious for MM said that army may be use against us. He got be shot. Who is calling the shots: People or the gov. Without people giving you the power, you think you call shots all the time.

So folks, we must force the PAP to hand over the gov this coming election. They simlpy do not have the heart for us except POWER. Is sad to see MM come down to this stage in life. I think I will throw away his memior.

For those people still hanging on PAP do think carefully what kind of life your childrens and yourself wants!! Remember, we can change it, if we want to. Give ourselves a chance to have better life with more opposition voices in the House.

Oh I forgot to add. The only solution to getting rid of the PAP is us, you and I.
Come the next election, we, the people must have a slogan of our own.

Get Rid Of The PAP.

Remember, we are not voting for an alternative. We are voting to get rid of the PAP. This will be our aim at the next GE.

If we don’t start, we will never get out of this hegemony. The momentum must be started. It has been too slow for too long (not taking any credit away from those who dared stand for elections and for those who have won).
We must vote for Change. Painful as it Will be, but a pain we must all bear to regain our dignity as a People, Country and Nation.

Change the constitution.

Better still, scrap the constitution. If Yuan ShiKai can declare himself from president to emperor, i don’t see why PAP cannot scrap the Westminster Parlaimentary system (only in name) and declare a ONE party rule, like the chinese communist.

How?

If PAP can hold long enough for the USA to weaken such that the pacific “belongs” to China.

What the republicans are doing now to Obama will only weaken their country further. American capitalist lobbies are fighting for control in their domestic affair, little by little, the “capitalist” from China are rising and will supplant the americans!

Who needs democracy?! Every despot in the world can then openly declare the era of democracy is over. Welcome to the new era of the “enlightened One Government Rule” aka one party system (what system!?)

The ONE GOV system has evolved, learning from the mistakes of the last few centuries of imperial and democratic rule. Therefore, they can claim to be enlighten and strong in leadership and at the same time, benevolent. (haha…)

Human history has come a full circle.

Wan Shui, wan shui, wan wan shui…

let’s wait for america to fall.

sigh.

With a two-third majority in parliament, off course he can pass any schematic law to protect the president, the top police and military leaders but he forgot that if the opposition who come into power with more than two-third majority in parliament also can dismantle all the schemes that he has set up unless he is still around to launch a twenty first century operation cold store with the help of his lackey police and military leaders.
In fact all PAP MPs including his son cannot be smarter than him or go against his will unless they want to face the danger of the same operation coldstore that was done by him 44 years ago to arrest all his own party members who go against him. This operation really speak volumes what type of a man he is???
I believe our younger generations do not condone this kind of action to grap power for whatever noble reasons.
Actually he is no better than the Mymmar Generals who created the Aung San Sukyi Legend that actually live with us for the past 44 years since operation cold store.

Re: 99) Come Together, fomerly known as R.o.D on September 4th, 2009 2

….“If no wins, I quit. The end.”

Yet another ‘loyal’ opposition. I am having a field day here, folks

Now, let’s look at those defeated PAP candidates, how many of them stand still ?
Anson 1981 By-election, do you see Mr. Pang Kim Hin anymore ? Maybe you see him in Central point

Mr. Mah Bow Tan, was defeated by Chiam in 1984, he entered Parliament in 1988 through a GRC.

Where is Mr Tang Guang Seng after he was defeated in Hougang ?

Mr. Andy Gan, Mr. Ng Pock Too, where are they ?

It is true that opposition parties need to bring in more professionals, but they are not lack of backbones comoared to pap candidates.

The trouble is rather, some less than impressive opposition candidates refuse to go away, they don’t bring freshness and energy to the new voters.

He was only talking cock to boast confidence.

His own PAP ministers don’t even have the guts to say something like that.

If they are so sure, start the elections now.

PAP will win next two election?

I don’t think so. Their approval rating will drop to historic low by then.

Why are we so demoralise? Who care of what Senior Lee is talking?

Voting are control by us, Just vote for oppoistion. As long as there is an increase of opposition seats win during the election, WE ARE THE WINNER. Hope that Little Lee vote percentage go down as low as 50%, and it will disgrace Senior Lee.

Use your Vote wisely this time SIngaporean.

With the army, police, elections dept, judiciary, local media all helping MIW, how can they not win??? Also don’t forget the GRC.

This loaded declaration by MM is very clear that he has NO plans for any other party to run Singapore. If Singaporeans can still accept such threats and still vote PAP, then Singaporeans truly deserve the govt they elect. The 10 years is not really just the longevity of his party but he estimates that’s how long he may still be alive for.

It is very VITAL that there must be enough manning by opposition members to accompany TRANSPORTING/Conveyance (be on board the vehicles)* of ballot boxes to vote counting stations to ensure no foul play. This is key cos if the Opposition should have won instead of “lost” thru rigging, then it is a grave injustice to the majority of Singaporeans who voted against PAP. The opposition must hire enough people to man the contested constituency. Must be VIGILANT!!!

*In some countries, lorry loads of minerals, sand, ore, electronics..etc are switched midway on route to warehousing/shipping bays. Oldest but most neglected trick in the book.

http://www.reuters.com/article/latestCrisis/idUSSIN451618

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Fri Sep 4, 2009 3:29am EDT

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SINGAPORE, Sept 4 (Reuters) – A power struggle in a Singapore opposition party descended into a street brawl using hammers and screwdrivers, leading to serious injuries and 21 arrests in a city-state known for being safe and politically stable.

Singapore police said on Friday they arrested 19 men and 2 women, aged up to 69, after a fight broke out on Thursday among members of the Singapore Malay National Organisation, one of various small political parties that have never won a seat in parliament.

The party, formed in 1951 as the Singapore arm of Malaysia’s ruling United Malays National Organisation (UMNO), left UMNO in 1965 when Singapore became independent from Malaysia.

Police said the group’s members could face up to 10 years in jail and caning if found guilty for rioting and being armed with a deadly weapon.

For decades Singapore’s ruling People’s Action Party has won nearly all parliament’s seats. There are currently two opposition members in a 93-seat parliament. (Reporting by Nopporn Wong-Anan; Editing by Neil Chatterjee)”

Is there any substantive conversion to be had here. Goodness. Nothing but whines. No self-respect whatsoever.

Comments from our “abang” (especially for the majority race of Singapore) across the causeway:

http://themalaysianinsider.com/index.php/world/36730-safeguards-in-place-even-if-pap-loses-lky-

Safeguards in place even if PAP loses: LKY
written by K Das, September 03, 2009

“…
Real minister mentor. No wonder the world respects him though he is a leader of a tiny dot of a nation.
He constantly thinks and maps out the guide post for the survival, security and prosperity of Singapore and advises his young ministers accordingly.

Nothing can be guaranteed fail-proof. Yes you can’t dip into the reserves, change the army and police chiefs without the approval of the President. But it can only work for an interim period. Come the next presidential election, after the people-backed Opposition already had taken over power, they can put up their own candidate to unseat the incumbant and unlock all the locks put in place.

…
written by wira, September 03, 2009
LKY gave the ultimate guarantee before.
That even as he were to be laid to his final rest, at the last second, if he sensed something were not right, he would rise up …..
…
written by greateagle, September 03, 2009
I suppose when you together with your band of brothers mould a castle from a mudbank its only natural to lock and fortify it with whatever you can get your hands on to keep the enemy at bay.Goodluck MM Lee & Singapore you deserve to lock and fortify.

Here we have not only castles,we have black gold,and whatever nature has bless us with but sadly its being taken by the very people suppose to look after it to satisfy their greedy and corrupt ways.

…
written by LWC, September 03, 2009
This is why he’s the Mentor not the Mental like TDM. He is respected worldwide unlike TDM. He’s acting his age unlike TDM who’s like a spoilt brat. He’s speaking like a genteel diplomat unlike TDM who’s speaking like he’s… sometimes he says this but do that… hard to put a finger on the old Dr.

TDM wants respect and he gets it from his cronies and to those who dunno much. He’s like a celebrity in a circus. Event organisers still invite him overseas… u know why? Cos he says such controversial and dumb things that organisers like cos it drives awareness.

…
written by Length Rui, September 03, 2009

This is an excellent guide from Minister Mentor Lee Kuan Yew. The following stand out.

…… “Otherwise, they promise the sky and spend the money and all our savings will go in five years,” ……

…… He noted how the president could count on his council of advisers, comprising experienced economists and businessmen, to advise him on what would be best for the country going forward. ……

…… “We’ve set in place a President with blocking powers, so any opposition that comes in will find that they cannot touch the reserves,” ……

…”

Frankly after reading through so many well written comments, there are only two viable choices for the current govt to be toppled:

1. The whole population decided to choose the opposition, who suddenly gets their art together, and won a landslide miraculous election over the PAP. What is the chances of this happening within the next two GE? Almost nil.Our oppostion is lame and weak and can’t be trusted to do a good job despite tens of thousands attending their election rallies. I don’t know why but you tell me why people don’t elect them. Are Singaporeans too fickle minded or afraid to vote otherwise? I don’t have the answer here. My take is that the opposition will NEVER get their act together due to a combination of reasons chief of which is our population is being coerced through unfair tactics to back away from political ambition. There is too much fear within us to take a step into danger ground and stay for election. It is like giving an arm when we stand for election here.Prove me wrong for those who disagree with me.

2. The people of Singapore gets so upset over the blunders of the current government that they decided to demonstrate, attracting like-minded people along the way. They move out to the streets and as the gathering gather steam, many more thousands join them. The week long public protests along the streets force the current regime to seriously reconsider their agenda and governance.What are the chances of this happening? Also almost nil.

Our people lack the cutting edge of the Thais, Filipinos, Indonesias , Chinese (China) or even Malaysians. They all took to the streets even though they knew that the army will be sent in to dislodge them especially for the Chinese. My friends in China told me when they gather to protest through SMS and internet, they have no fear – only faith that what they think is right ought to be done. To me, that represents guts plus alot of partiotism – not in the governance but in their country. That is what we need to incalculate into our population – maybe our own children. They need to study hard but they also need to know the right from the wrong. We all don’t want our children to fall into the hands of the same tyrant that rules over us with seemingly outstretched hands of help but mostly containing empty words.

If you look through the history of most entrenched governments that got toppled, they are either voted out by legitimate voting system or the people power took to the streets forcing the hands of the government to bend. Can this happen here?

Don’t ever hope that there is a split within the PAP so that an alternative party will arise, that is what the government is trying to reinforce into the people. That will also never happen. They know that the population is very aghast during this period and there is a huge chance that their voting majority will decrease but so what? They still have enough votes to form the next government trust me.

Unless a miracle happens, Singapore will be the same for the next two GEs. MM is not stupid here – he knows his cards well and talks sense. He is the master strategist when it comes to election know-how. When he is gone, there is some chance that some opposition may gain some ground but not overtake the current regime.

It is only up to our country to prove him wrong this time. right? But can we??

Nobody wants option 2 which results in a serious effect on foreign investor sentiment until something as serious as Neda of Iran incident occurs. Please keep your powder dry.

Option 1 is very viable and very real, given the swell of discontent. Which is why ST and LKY is gearing up in the past week, issuing comments etc. What the opposition needs to do is to seize the initiative and act upon it

“They still have enough votes to form the next government trust me.”

Probably, with a much reduced majority, IF the polls are not rigged. Hopefully Mr Kofi Annan can advocate supervision of these ballots. But at least our voices will be heard.

@114 Ravi philemon
Of course US citizens have tax rebates, Singaporeans do as well.. In fact, amongst the many rebates for this year 2009, there’s 20% rebate for all taxpayers and 40% for property tax rebate etc. I think these rebates are quite significant compared to the 7% GST.. But in any case, thanks for your input.

@120 Depresso

“2. No one is in the position to affirm or refute it(if opposition will do better than the current govt), including you. Only time will tell.”
“3. It is all about choice – THE constuitional rights of the citizens.”

only time will tell? so cliche. in any case, can you name a sig number of opposition politicians that you deem capable of running this country? why do you choose the opposition? I believe as an island nation and as The Symbol of Peace and HARMONY in the region, a radical/polarized politic scene is not good for our future or our livelihood, and so I choose to support the current govt.

“4… Amongst others, one fundamental error you have made is that it is WRONG to assess the performance of a country on the sole guideline of economic performance, just like how you would assess the performance of a corporation. ”

I merely used the tax rates and economic recovery as an example, not the sole criteria. besides, most people care most about their livelihood and I think you also should think more about quality of living before thinking about your “constitutional right”. politics is not everything… there are more impt things like racial harmony, (relatively) clean govt, and peace. spore has done well not only economically but socially as well.

@125 dumb and dumber
“May be you want to share how much you earn a month and how many mouth can you feed using your salary alone. Followed by if you got retrenched, how long can your savings (amount?) last?”

what are you trying to say? that I am wrong simply bcuz of my financial status?? tell you the truth, I came from a poor neighbourhood and I got through my student years thanks to bursaries, and financial aid. But I don’t think my lack of $$ is the govt’s fault… and i don’t think I really have a lack of $$, because I realize how lucky i am compared to less developed countries! why do you think our govt is incompetent? which govt in your opinion is better? somehow I don’t believe any govt will live up to your high expectations…

“why do you think our govt is incompetent?”

Mat Selamat Kastari, $40000000000 later and no apologies or regret.

+ Our dear leader and party PAP has not really suggested a good plan out of current economic doldrums, apart from banging the same old gong.

We are the poor servants of the overfed, good-for-nothing aristocrats – we are fed and have a roof over our heads, we should be seen (working) and not heard, we live in peace & harmony under our masters watch and we should never mind how much they pay us and how much we have to work.

Its ok to accept our fate, but to ask people to realise how lucky they are, its like the aristocrat masters rubbing salt into the servants wound.

LKY /// I don’t see any problem in the next election or probably in the next one after that ///

With the Grim-Reaper breathing down his neck, LKY is well aware that the 2011 elections might be the last he will be witnessing. With the present mood of the people, LKY knows that the opposition is going to make quite significant headway in the 2011 elections. But LKY knows that the 2016 elections are a different ballgame altogether.

From his words “or probably in the next one after that” he knows by 2016 elections, Singaporeans are not going to put up with the shenanigans of the PAPies anymore. There is only so much what the people can take from the PAPies.The doubt in his words quoted speaks for itself. By 2016, with LKY gone by then, rest assured, the PAPies will be handed their come-uppance by the populace.

The chances of the opposition winning the next general elections (note the plural terms) is like a snowball’s chance in hell! The public scandal by the PKMS is symptomatic of the opposition parties here, dumb, real dumb, and real dumb and incompetent.

Even if I dislike some of the current policies, I wouldn’t want the opposition people within 10 feet of me!

Someone predicted we were entering a Golden Period–6 mths before we entered the worst recession since 1929.
Looks like we have to wait 10 years to reach the real golden period–when we finally get rid of these graduate mother prioritiser that suffers from the infamous Wee Su Min elitist syndrome.

Dumb opposition,

Wrong strategy! If you want a clever opposition, you will first need to VOTE OUT the current ruling party. Remove the THREAT or level the playing field, will be the first step, so that clever people don’t have to risk everything to come forward.

Dumb opposition for now is good enough. As long as we don’t end up with another overbearing one who we cannot get rid for another 50 yrs, we will be heading for progress. To get better we must accept what is available. One step at a time.

For the next election one point to consider and to act vis a vis the wider strategy is to nibble at pappy.

Look for the weak and stand alone seats and one of them is my constituency. Yishun

Not to say more when you have a MP who is so gutless and the Hokkien and other Chinese have a word for it and it means no balls and so he does not sign any letter to the authorities when he speaks up for you. The signatures and all of them are from his musclemen or musclewomen.

This seat is sure to fall.

There is at least one of them.

No mention of name of MP.

This one is a junior minister of two ministries and a junior for many years.

This one can fall easily.if opposition plan their campaign meticulously and expose his gutlessness.

Chinese and I am not sure of other ethnic groups expect their MPs to be full of guts.

Oh, aVoice, isn’t it about time you learnt that one should never throw pearls to pigs.

These are people who, most likely, have nothing to lose; either because they have the ability to leave Singapore if things go wrong or they are at the lower end of the income scale.

It is a toss up between the typical Singaporean asking what’s in it for me and scratching a democratic itch then about the goal of having one high quality party of good minds exchanging power with another. Indeed, a dumb opposition is good enough for now!

Here’s why the opposition is reaping what it is sowing for itself: It starts with the fundamental premise that it is all about voting for people with great minds. Such people want to work with other quality people. That’s just a fact of life. If the opposition gets such people on board, others might just fellow. The onus is entirely on the opposition just like AMD is responsible for its own success, not Intel.

So why aren’t such people jumping on board? The opposition does not offer anything substantive, which does not grab the people’s attention even though most Singaporeans are smart enough to know a sound idea when they hear one, which leads to no inertia in their push, which leads to quality people with lives to live and mouths to feed giving them the proverbial finger. Plus, the majority of Singaporeans are getting more affluent and they do not want things to change. Failure accomplished, indeed.

Having said all that though, of course, it’s always the establishment’s fault. Or is it.

#153 Gilbert,
“Don’t ever hope that there is a split within the PAP so that an alternative party will arise, that is what the government is trying to reinforce into the people.”

Agree with both my hands and legs.
I would never let myself to rely on that rumor.

We the people who wants change have to make it happen by our efforts and will because the bull’s thingies will not drop from the sky. To dream and pray and hope the opposition will be more garang is also naive.

We need to form a new opposition party. I am ready to support a new party.
The existing opposition have been given way too many chances. They have disappointed many.

Fellow citizens, if you form a new party and the leaders are more proactive and smart than the existing ones, I will be there to support your rallies.

I voted for WP because there was no other option. I hope there will be a new option in the coming election.

I have to add a qualification to my above post. There are some who will whine about the PAP making things for the opposition in many different ways. They have been well documented.

Remember, LKY, could have up and leave Singapore in the early days. He stayed and took on the opposition. He delivered a lot of speeches which proved he had something between his ears to offer a Singapore. Gained power, changed Singapore into what it is today so many may feel aggrieved.

My goodness, that’s more than what I can say about the opposition of today.

Dear all- For those who believe in an alternative to PAP, let there be FREAK RESULTS!

FREAKS! FREAKS! FREAKS! FREAKS! FREAKS! We want FREAKS!

161) Rurehe on September 4th, 2009 10.49 pm
” For the next election one point to consider and to act vis a vis the wider strategy is to nibble at pappy.
….
This seat is sure to fall.
”

I last 2 election rallies by the loyal opposition was electrifying because of the turnout was so huge.

But pls remember what that translated into – zilch. not even 1 GRC was won.

This to me is still a puzzle. I still cannot understand why the mismatch – largest supporter turnout , no wins.

I was stunned why no GRC wins in the election 2001 (66.8% walkover, a mere 638,903 citizens voted).
I still cannot accept that.

I was shocked and awed why no GRC wins in the election 2006 (43.4% walkover, a mere 1,150,003 citizens voted).
I still cannot believe my eyes and ears.

82:2 => for those educated in maths, is this ratio reflective of the 33.3% win by the loyal opposition ? Are the 33.3% Represented? I can only say I am not sure.

And who is making effort to reach out to this 33.3%? I am one of them and I have never had handshake from our loyal opposition leaders and members.

reference materials:
http://www.singapore-elections.com/parl-2001-ge/
http://www.singapore-elections.com/parl-2006-ge/

(all about voting for people with great minds)

Yes, this is what singaporeans are “supposed” to want, I believe, and the bitter medicine was served because of that, but we have to ask ourselves this…does this same great minds serves the interest of the people? do we want people with great minds? or do we want people with a good mind and great heart…

More often then not, organization will utilize extraordinary benefits to entice these great minds to work for them….however, some great minds produce results and there are those who end in disaster serving their own needs rather then the interest of the stakeholders…if anybody wants an example, please look at Enron…

So it all ends with the famous quote from Deng Xiao Ping “I don’t care if it’s a white cat or a black cat. It’s a good cat so long as it catches mice.” but please don’t bring in cats that can’t catch mice

We are witnessing the result of 50 or so years of LKY suppression of opposition parties in Singapore right now. Anybody who dare to support or be part of the opposition had been taken to court and bankcurrupted. JJB & Dr.Chee came to mind. Opposition had no or limited access to the mass media both electronics and print. While the PAP had total access. The whole system is skewed against the oppositions. Singaporean must be prepared to help the opposition prior to election to balance the playing fields a little bit, otherwise it will be a onesided fight. In the past, opposition members were labelled communist even if they were not and put into prison thank to ISA. However, the new PAP weapon is bankcurupcy. How many opposition members do we know that had not been bankcupted yet. The election is not just between PAP and the opposition but somewhere Singaporean had a major role to play. In the past we were mere spectators when the gahment destroyed the opposition without a squeek from any one of us. We are now reaping the results of our inaction. Singapore is poorer for it. It is never too late to realise our mistaken and make amend. We must stand shoulder to shoulder to see this change through. It may be our only chance for many years to come.

Packing up and leave, taking the easy way out, let me see…

Mao Zedong could have done that in China….Chang Kai Shiek could have done that but was forced into it and flee to ROC…but why did they stay? was it for the people or their quest for power?

However, we must admit the fact, yes LKY did play a significant part in building up singapore, however, we must also remember that no one man can build a country on his own….and thus singapore success must be attributed to the other forefather and peoples

“Plus, the majority of Singaporeans are getting more affluent and they do not want things to change. Failure accomplished, indeed.”

Really? No need to argue, please do not rig the polls.

Come Together

post #162 on September 4th, 2009 11.26 pm

“The opposition does not offer anything substantive…”

but for too long, the same MIW does not welcome anything other than their worldview, not even among themselves. one old man so instinctively “demolishes” any alternative voice without a second thought.

perhaps you do not know or remember how opposition MPs are “set upon” for offering anything substantively different. ;)

the way Lily Neo was put down, really grabbed my attention!! :P

“FREAKS! FREAKS! FREAKS! FREAKS! FREAKS! We want FREAKS! ”

u mean like in 20 years time, a 106 year old MMM “Minster Mentor Mummy”, risen from the dead to protect Singapore.

As the saying goes, nothing lasts forever. Its proven true many times in the past two years, now again in the recent Japan’s election, the DPJ has taken over the goverment. As I see it is the beginning of a new era where change is everywhere, change from an egoistic, self-serving and material-centred government to a people-centric and socially responsible government who take care of both the economic and social welfare of the people. A government that put trust on their people who are educated more on morals and social responsibility rather than on rewards for future economic achievements and success. This change is pre-destined by the one above and nobody can stop it not even the almighty LKY with his diligent 15 years efforted plan.
Japan is considered to be on the upstream and any change upstream will definitely flow downstream, so you can expect awesome ,unbelievable changes in the coming elections. Just wait and enjoy it. Cheers

mice is nice

that example has been quoted but there are people who are like the commercial, listen only to the good stuf!

did he mean his next life? lol

hi Yamamoto,

on September 5th, 2009 12.48 am mice is nice

“that example has been quoted but there are people who are like the commercial, listen only to the good stuf!”

that commercial is a spoof of…

keke… 8)

170) mice is nice on September 5th, 2009 12.20 am

1. My point was that the pitch should be directed to the people, the majority of whom will listen to sound ideas. The people are the one who brings inertia to any push by an opposition. Hence, you are wrong in your approach.

2. You are a little too concerned about what the PAP have been doing. If you really must scratch that democratic itch, stick to building a house on solid foundation. A quality opposition that is. I think if we could get one or two more parties with quality minds that can govern, instead of only coming up with emotional arguments all the time, that truly will make Singapore a shining city on a hill. The current band of clowns not in whites are not worth anyone’s time.

3. Lastly, I will submit the Lily Neo incident was not positive for anyone.

Be more cheery people. Isn’t it tiring being all wound up all the time.

Relax. Smile. Laugh.

=D

Better someone normal with a heart then someone smart without the heart….further more, how many of the ones in white are the clowns on parade?

Come Together

post #176 on September 5th, 2009 1.22 am

your point 1:

the pitch was not directed to people then to who (or what)??

brainless drones? programmed to react in a certain way. these drones certainly cannot perform. :P

my approach? since when?

your point 2:

it affects me (not just me lah) directly & indirectly, should i not be concerned?

solid foundation like HDB up, up & away?

“If you really must scratch that democratic itch…”

if you have nothing to contribute silence is a better option. otherwise other people may mistake you for having an itch, not me… :P

your point 3:

how come the double standards (wrong approach VS not positive) from your point (1)?

can you tell me if she
a) directed her pitch to people whom will not listen to sound ideas?
b) approach is wrong? if so who is right person/s?
c) was she too emotional in your opinion?

aiyoyo

sure win?

no need to draw a cross & drop in the paper liao, zzzzzzz

aiyoyo

I think PAP wont be afriad if they lose just one or two GRCs.

We should also be looking at how the whole govt will be toppled.

If we simply wish for every election that this GRC or that seat will be lost then we will all be scratching the surface.

That is what the govt also want us to believe in – its ok for them to lose their one or two GRCs – its no big deal. That is probably why they are so confident of winning the next GEs easliy. The opposition or the population is being hoodwinked all t ese eyars that the fight is about winning the mere GRC and not the whole election i.e toppling the current regime.

We have to think big and hopefully achieve big. If everytime we go for election and expect to win one or two GRCs we are wasting each other’s time.

If you want to shake the ground, just topple AMK GRC and Tanjong Pagar, they would not be allowed to hold any minister position. Unless they change the rule… ha ha ha

At this point in time, Sngaporeans are unrealistically wishing for the PAP to be ousted, i say unrealistic because there are no opposition strong enough to replace them and as such the Citizens have no choice.

Frankly and here i maybe badly wrong; most Singaporeans are by now very numbed, apathetic and can’t be bothered with what happen and is going to happen to SIN. Most of us do not have idea how this tiny island can progress, economically, politically and socially from here on, much of the population are now trapped with fighting for their own survivals and wellbeings.

We do see growing emigrations of Singaporeans to other countries and unbelieveablely large immigrations of foreigners into SIN. This invariably unsettle and upset the Nationalistic Feelings of the Locals and therefore the loyalty of the average citizen. The Love for this country is dwindling by the day as more money loving foreigners are invited to work and to settle here. To say that these foreigner settlers will be able to love SIN is all but a joke, their motives are predicated on money and physical safeties for themselves and their fortunes. Loyalty to SIN will be the last item in the minds of these imported settlers.

Do correct me; i see very vicious developments taking place that i believe, are eroding the harmony of our original multi-racial, multicultural society. Singaporeans today are not living as Singaporeans but as an Individual Entity, concern, indulge and immerse only with his/her own survival and interest. As the pursuits in living are inculcated by the National Ethos to be materially affluent, selfishness is naturally inculcated and each man is an island becomes the norm in people’s relation.Can we honestly say that we are concerned for the survivals of the Government and Country ??? Or are we only interested in our own survivals and wellbeings? Which is which ??

The Leadership of SIN has shown itself beyond the shadow of a doubt that, it is itself more concerned with its’ own wellbeing than that of the country and its’ citizens. It had shown glaringly itself that Leaders are in politic for the sake of remunerations and returns first and foremost, all others are secondary. I am afraid that the citizens are fully imbued with the same mentality now and it is each to his/her own now. Unless and until the Leaders can show that they are in politics for the sakes of the People and the Country, i AM AFRAID OUR WELLBEINGS AND WELLBEING OF THE COUNTRY WILL HAVE TO DEPEND ON OUR OWN FATES.

I believe the Citizens have very little faith in the Leadership now and the most disturbing and worrying situation now is that the Leaders and the Citizens do not even have faith in the successions and political developments coming our ways.

IS THERE NOT A SENSE OF LOST OF DIRECTION AND WHERE OUR LEADERS ARE LEADING US TO??

patriot

LKY can mumble what he wishes. This coming election will see Aljunied GRC going to the opposition provided PAP do not change the electoral boundaries.
10 years LKY will be into the dust and turn in his grave to see his son LHL nursing his recurrence cancer and out of the political scene.

WKS, Dhanabolan, Mah Boh Tan (MBT), etc will be has beens. Collecting their huge bank deposits and enjoy life out of Singapore. What loyality do they have but because of the huge paycheck, when old man is not around.

This is a likely scenario when opposition consolidated good ground to slowly
chase all the PAP cronies out for good. MAJULLAH SINGAPURA !!

187) toppleamkGRC on September 5th, 2009 9.49 am

maybe its not a bad idea to send a strong signal by way of 1 GRC?
The question is which 1?
I do not expect more than 1 GRC to be lost.
So, it depends on the people which GRC can send the best signal across.

I mean , i just hypothesizing the event if people really wants change.

To me, actually, in the last election, if only the opposition fielded in more talents and engaged the people more, they could easily have won 1 GRC. What to do? the alternative nation depends on the capability of this opposition team. If they cannot convince the people, there is nothing we can do. so hsian.

188) leesjuanpat on September 5th, 2009 10.21 am
“…. This coming election will see Aljunied GRC going to the opposition provided PAP do not change the electoral boundaries.”

Your last 2 election syndrome has relapsed?
I have not even seen a opposition doing their walkabouts.
That is such a fundamental and basic thingie they need to do.
Where are they?
hallllooooooo?? opposition ? its the weekends , do your walkabouts if you have not done so. I waiting at hougang mall for you.
You coming or not?
Lets come together.
what time?
when ?
place?
sure or not?

Around the world, civil servants are paid to work for the well being of the people in their countries.

For the last 15 years we pay our ministers and the boot-lickers billions to build fortresses of their own.

Fair to Singaporeans?

//Lau Tak Hua

As if George does his rounds in his constituencies?

It didn’t stop him from getting tons of money to buy election votes the last time.

193) wow on September 5th, 2009 4.14 pm

are u trying to use that as excuse for them not to do their rounds?

2 wrongs does not make a right ( figure of speech)

the fact remains, the opposition still should do their rounds.

I am still at HG Mall.

When election comes, we have set up a network of 23,000 Singaporeans all ready to vote for the opposition. Use the MLM method, each Singapore tell another 5 Singaporeans and these 25 persuade 5 other friends and the network will spread like wild fire. Out of 5 people, two may still be part of the 66.6 no balls Singaporeans but I think the tide is changing quite rapidly to the opposition’s favour. Somehow, be confident, we will have a credible opposition in the next election. One Sylvia Lim is comparable and credible to all the monkeys we have in cabinet and parliament today! ( including the prataman)

#195 Aki,

here is where we need a skillful and effective compilation of all known issues into an info package concise yet subtantial enough to remind the naive and apathetics and youths what the important real issues are that the 33.3% are pushing for.

we also need a big team of Volunteers. The opposition people are too small to be effective. Volunteers need not be partisan. They can be Apathy-Busters. They help to show the reason why singaporeans should be concerned about their country and scial and poltical issues. Remember, any issue can potentially be political issue. The fact that an issue can be political does not mean we avoid talking about it or run away from it. The People are the ones who awards the mandate. They must be held responsible at least partially. Thus, the People must know and take interest and comment on the issues. Dun run away from it and hope it will go away.

1. Does anyone know what is 80% of the electorate ’s opinion of the gowermin?
I am not even asking what is the opinion of the 90% or 95%.
Too many walkovers.
Does the IPS know?

If you need signs that the elections are coming, here is one

http://www.straitstimes.com/Breaking%2BNews/Singapore/Story/STIStory_425293.html

#2 Gilbert Goh:

The Slipper man is Mr Chia, please respect the man for at least he dared to stand out and become a candidate for people. Its the MSM that coined him the name slipper man, everybody will have the first for everything. But why police wanted to fine him $2500 for screening a banned political film if the PAP is not afraid of him going for the next GE?

http://chiatilik.wordpress.com/2009/06/24/i-want-to-retire-from-politics-and-they-are-giving-me-the-chance-to-go-with-a-bang/

http://chiatilik.wordpress.com/

Don’t underestimate the power of the media, even in the form of single A4 sheets. Oppos should promote themselves by publishing TOC’s stories in print, along with their proposals and distribute them via coffee shops. Find the shops who also had enough of the current govt. You will find that the general public will ask for them when drinking or dinning at the coffee shops. Words will spread that it is a much better read than ST as it hides nothing.

Such arrogance of LKY is so typical of these millionaire ministars who bootlick him all the way to riches and glory. Anyway, LKY’s prediction and words of wisdom of late have been WAY OFF THE MARK. So I’d rather trust the weatherman’s report. Is LKY suggesting paying ministars more money in order to assemble his next team over his grave? He can increase ministars’ salaries over all Singaporeans’ dead bodies!!!

#197,

hello agent008, this is volunteer agent019.
“Oppos should promote themselves by publishing TOC’s stories in print, along with their proposals and distribute them via coffee shops.”

The problem is i really do not see or have witnessed or experienced the oppos doing anything that engages the public.
I really dunno what they are thinking and doing.

A very interesting article titled ‘The Dictator Speaks” in the New York Times. i wonder if any of you have read it?

http://www.nytimes.com/1996/11/14/opinion/the-dictator-speaks.html

‘Information Technology & Political Control In Singapore”

http://unpan1.un.org/intradoc/groups/public/documents/APCITY/UNPAN002726.pdf

#202,

“However, the increasing social complexity accompanying the city-state’s
economic development has posed challenges for the authoritarian system. In particular,
the PAP has found that more diverse social interests require some sort of political
accommodation to preempt pressure for civil society.”

does it mean that blogs are pressure-releasing valves? at the same time info collector?
what is your view on NMP scheme? what is it used for?

128) Yamamoto on September 4th, 2009 11.20 am

And if they are truly as good as they say, why would they have to worry about the case of freakish result? cos i think they know where they stand right now

VERY TRUE!! if they are as good as taking care the nation then why the army?why fear the freaks election? why fear losing their seats when they know they are right all this while?

coz it is time that they realise singaporeans are no fools. all this years of white men has party turn white infront and black at the back of them and soon it will be black men and this election we singaporeans will not say it will be a freaks election but smoothly vote them total out without any riots and freaks behaviour.

no worries as we singaporeans are well behave as mention by mr lee kuan yew so now as a well behave singaporeans we will quitely and smoothly queue to vote you out. thanks

I guess it all boils down to what MM Lee means by winning. Winning can simply refer to capturing MP seats. Winning can also refer to capturing enough MP seats to form Government. So what does MM Lee mean by Opposition not winning? Unable to capture more than 2 seats at the next GE?

winning is all they care about.

to keep in power is what they want

as to squeezesingaporeans more and keep telling that he does this to safeguard singaporeans and singaporeans future.

this is CRAP and enough mr lee and your pap

TO: PROFESSIONAL

Are you implying that you will continue to cast your vote for Pap for another 2 terms to govern us until the oppositions are ready? How can they be ready when the people defer them?

you are 100%right!

why do we have to think that oppositon will not perform any better then PAP?

have you singaporeans even try to give them a chance even once? NO
have you singaporeans strongly voted them in?NO
have you singaporeans even see their hard work to give singaporeans a better life?NO

how can all this possible when we keep voting for PAP and assume opposition not doing their best and doesn’t show a very best result for singaporeans to feel that it is worth to vote them in?

does opposition have to wave a billions dollars to singaporeans and says”here is all your money and future if you vote for me.

but PAP give us peanuts package and we right away vote them strongly in thinking they care for us atleast rather then opposition gave us nothing but words.

well singaporeans if you are not employed how do you show your skills time to time to the company to make them even think you are worth it?

very simple.the only way is for the opposition to gain the power to fight against PAP and LKY for singaporeans if they really care for us and our future is:

bring in JBJ JEYARATNAM people in. all the old timers who had stand side by side with JBJ. this are the few people who will teach the talent to the younger generation who in opposition to bring down PAP one for all all for one.

if this message been heard by JBJ JEYARATNAM people. please help us we will stand for you!!

I have told my family that I would disown any of them if they vote for PAP.

PAP’s pro-foreigner policies, HDB profiteering of $172,398 per flat has left me ill-able to buy a flat and start a family.

Imagine how you feel against someone who has CASTRATED you. This is how I feel!

I would vote for a dog instead of them. (No offense to man’s best friend)

207) singaporeans slave:

“very simple.the only way is for the opposition to gain the power to fight against PAP and LKY for singaporeans if they really care for us and our future is:’

Yes but we must also support them instead of questioning their credibility…

“remember that all through history the ways of truth and love have always won. There have been tyrants, and murderers, and for a time they can seem invincible, but in the end they always fall. Think of it … always.”
Mahatma Gandhi

170) Koenig Caparo ….

///// I last 2 election rallies by the loyal opposition was electrifying because of the turnout was so huge. But pls remember what that translated into – zilch. not even 1 GRC was won. This to me is still a puzzle. I still cannot understand why the mismatch – largest supporter turnout , no wins.//////////

Looking at the massive traffic jams leading to rallies each night, I guess it is because mostly the same people attended most of all the rallies, myself included, and they come from all over SG, they could be from walkover wards, so they could not vote.

So with a crowd turnout of 100,000 each night, and if they came from all 84 wards, its a sprinkling of 1200+ only from each ward.

That could be the reason.

win by use of force is it?

“183) Yamamoto on September 5th, 2009 2.24 am

Better someone normal with a heart then someone smart without the heart….”

I hear you and agree 100%. I do not mind voting for someone who graduated from primary one. We need people who actually care for us instead of their multi-million paychecks.

i wonder why MM is so old and still want to be in power, my guesses are:

1. he die die want to have a state funeral

2. his family can benefit financially while he is still in control.

Any1 can share what companies or properties the famiLee managed to obtain by this way?

just look at what pkms did…..
opposition in singapore is rubbish
what a bunch of no life morons, go get a proper job LAH

pkms riot doesn’t shows that the rest of opposition that stands for us singaporeans in the coming election are they same as what this so call morons did.

they might the the bad apple among the good ones. so this is to lower the support of oppositions and to vote or PAP and when the vote is over.

good luck singaporeanssss. you will be rioting among yourself while the goverment enjoy the fines they impose to you and the jailed term you faces. not to mention the living cost and so on.

so both in and out of the prison.. you singaporeans life are merely the same. just that the one in prison has a guard and the one outside is watch by mr lee kuan yew. both side you get sqeeuze as he is in POWER.

don’t forget who is in POWER as you singaporeans gave that power that actually is your swaet and blood each day you pay them and pay.

the old says’;” PAP ” pay and pay.

//nabil

I wonder what kind of jobs the 1st generation of PAP people were doing before they got into power?

Definitely not CEOs or MDs.

(well maybe one or two but not the whole cohort)

It didn’t stop them from beating the brits and building the fondation of modern Singapore.

I don’t know why there is an obsession with the opposition’s profession.

To take on PAP, requires courage. They should be respected for that.

the best is write all the point and ways that singaporeans has been badly affected by the mishandling singapore by lee kuan yew and his PAP. what singaporeans will face in future and what has happen now which we all know well that ST won’t published it out.and ST only post the old stories and about good part of the white men and the constribute of lee kuan yew and pap in the past years.
but what about their mistake and greediness and gain power as self interest?does they voice up in ST about that? how about the billions paycheck for and billions been lost?does they voice up in ST too?NO! even we singaporeans has our mistake and continuos mistake will result us in losing our job or even family. but lee kuan yew has been always right even he is wrong. this is the time that singaporeans should pull him down and make him realise where he stand and where we all singaporeans stands! NOW OR NEVER!!

this is all you singaporeans should write from your heart and :

print out as many copy as possible remember your tumb prints not to be holding it. then put each letter in an envolope and post it in the mail box of each HDB block in as many areas as possible. this will stay yourself unknown till the letter been spread out and as time go on we will voice up and gather as one singaporeans as many as we can to vote out PAP and to past a message to them we are in power of our land!! not him and his billions dollars paycheck buddies.

trust us singaporeans. do this and we will put fear in LKY and PAP. this is not riot but the story to write and pain and benefits that we lost the kind of life we are living in the hand of greediness and in power and power each years by them.

if singaporeans got no guts even to do this as we are doing now then call off the courage to vote PAP out guess singaporeans will vote PAP happily and suck up later.

vote out PAP we all don’t need LEE KUAN YEW.

“Otherwise “all our hard-earned savings could go in five years,” he said. “I spent 15 years thinking up these safeguards.”

What a tragic irony and full of ballony , spend 15 years to think of that yet it only took less than a year for the beloved daughter in law to clean one third of the account in losses.

PAP will bankrupt S’pore!!

they have a solid track record for that!! 8)

Are the elections nearing? Omen: Gopalan Nair is getting persecuted.

222) Beng

Sign #1: PKMS fight news gets more publicity than it deserves
Sign #2: The latest PAP book
Sign #3: (if I may quote you) Gopalan Nair is getting persecuted. (I did not know that)
Sign #4; This mornig paper CPF 4% interest for another year
Sign #5: The election machinery has been activated, GROs, ROs, sent for traing/refreshere now.

I am curious to know of Readers’ opinions.

1. If they lose, would there be new jobs created?

I mean would existing workers be disappointed to the extent of migrating leaving many vacancies for those who rejoice to fill the void thus creating many jobs?

i mean people have left due to disappointment with oppos no strength. Would the same happen if the reign no more?

A new reality?

i don’t trust the present PAP and gov, they seems to be doing policies (FT, casino) that benefit the rich and elite, but never consider the long term effect on ur average singaporean and society values.

They eliminated their competition (our future hope) through those black ops (operation coldstore …). The longer they stay in power, the harder it is for us to recover!

No wonder a good dick once said … Lee Con U

223) KopitiamApek on September 6th, 2009 8.11 am

Sign #3. Saw it on the Channelnewsasia website. See yourself:

http://www.channelnewsasia.com/stories/singaporelocalnews/view/1002981/1/.html

223) KopitiamApek on September 6th, 2009 8.11 am

Sign #3. Saw it on the Channelnewsasia website. See yourself

Are Singaporean apathetic about politic in Singapore ? No, i don’t think so. Just look at the number of comments on this new. It is 200++. The longest i have seen.

The influx of the FT started to give the Singaporean problems about 10 years ago., after the 1998 Currency Crisis, in a progressive way.

The PAP is the emblem of “fear to lose” –kiasu. Every thing they do, they must win. Perhap that is the attitude of our founding father. Don’t forget that all our millionaire minister are selected by LKM.

Birds of the same flock fly together. So KIASU PAPee will try all means to win, even at the cost of marginalizing the Singaporeans that have support them for the past 44 years.

Imagine,
what could the result be like IF
the Entire Electorate get to vote.

The past have seen substantial numbers not able to vote.

Election should be about the People actually Voting.

227) paplast stand on September 6th, 2009 11.17 am

“Are Singaporean apathetic about politic in Singapore ? No, i don’t think so. Just look at the number of comments on this new. It is 200++. The longest i have seen.”

that is a mirage.
i personally have posted 2 comments.
There is less individuals who commented than you have assumed.

200 + is the ‘the longest’? so average is lesser?

I hereby debunk you about your view on apathy.
And i do so with a lot of regret and sadness.

228) Sue Anne Hoong

They have been shifting the goal post by changing electorial boundaries evry election.
I always wondered how did they manage to change them so accurately such that the votes against them gets neutralised after each goal post shift, and the resultant outcome still leads to their having the majority votes.
I found the answer talking to a source which I shall not disclose.

Party members (both sides) records the vote counts of each poll box before they are sealed. Each GRC is divided into many polling districts, each district has a few boxes, each poll box designated for voters from a few HDB blocks (or streets if pte pty).

So eureka, they know where their support is good, and where not too good. Thus the continual boundary shift election after election, that’s how we have the ridiculous electrorial boundary of today whereby Serangoon Gardens is in Marine Parade and Simei is in Aljunied.

But there is a limit to goal post shifting. When adjacent support continue to dwindle there is only so much they can shift to a point that it would not help to push up the % anymore.

It is happening in quite a number of areas already.

Now they are resorting to HDB en-bloc, move the non supporters physically to change the %.
It’s happening at Hougang.

But there is also a limit to how much of that can be done.

since they are gonna win the next 2, what is the harm in making sure all vote?
i mean this is a valid question is it not?

Where is the Lizard lately?

ref my post #230

HDB en bloc at Hougang.

http://www.asiaone.com/Business/My+Money/Property/Story/A1Story20071115-37090.html

ref my post #230

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Singaporean_general_election,_2006

ref my post #230

http://aceproject.org/ace-en/topics/bd/bdy/bdy_sg

Re: 230) KopitiamApek on September 6th, 2009 12.48 pm

APek is right.

1) In Hougang, PAP’s Eric Low distributed free breakfast to residents of the district with strongest WP support, one month before GE2006, and they lost, so came the punishment of re-location.

2) In 1961 and 1963, after pap lost honglim constituency, they demolished houses along merchant street ( where a hotel stand today )

3) In 1980 and 1984, govt gave FREE upgrade of 2 five room hdb point blocks and they charge the rest of 10 + 3 to 4 room HDB block for upgrading in 2002, they also demolishede two other 4 room HDB flat and have the land vacant till now

4) Same thing happened to Bedok South after the sizeable voters swing to pap from 1997 to 2001, lots of upgrades were done.

This is Carrot for the 5 room flast and Stick for the rest.

This is dirty Pork barrel Politics !

if MM Lee say so, it must be so.

234) KopitiamApek on September 6th, 2009 2.00 pm

wow, en-bloc = free money gains for leaseholders If they sell. So, smart.
is LTK chances of winning slimmer now? whats he gonna do?
or what can he do?

lou ti wu mak?

235) Kow Kee Seng
////3) In 1980 and 1984, govt gave FREE upgrade of 2 five room hdb point blocks and they charge the rest of 10 + 3 to 4 room HDB block for upgrading in 2002, they also demolishede two other 4 room HDB flat and have the land vacant till now//////

Which area are these flats?

//////// 4) Same thing happened to Bedok South after the sizeable voters swing to pap from 1997 to 2001, lots of upgrades were done.//////

The upgrades at Bedok area is about all done. So now no more carrots to give. And the voters are not stupid either. They got the upgrade, so now nothing to lose, free to choose who to vote.

The upgrade carrot will have less impact this election as many HDB blocks already got upgraded. They can only used in in areas yet to be upgraded, which generally are those with higher support (contrary to what most believe, the areas with higher support actually is placed further down the queue for upgrading)

237) Gookie

Actually the affected blocks are all rental blocks. The affected residents gets zilch!
The rest are market, hawker centre and shophouses, the tenants may not be residing in that contstituency.

Kopitiam Apek

1) The hougang blocks demolished were indeed rental blocks, but more than 2/3 are sg citizens, the low income families. i.e. They are voters

2) The affected 4 room and 5room HDB flats in my earlier posting, are in Telok Blangah, a high opposition votes area from 1976 to 1991.

3) Singaporean have this tendency, they support a cabinet minister lead single ward or GRC in general.

Jayakumar came into Bedok gradually swing the support to pap with carrots, therefore the electoral map can see the 6 members GRC include MM, SM Goh, PM, Jayakumar, Teo Chee Hian, TKhaw BW ; etc, together they yeild 35 seats for pap, which is 43 % of total Parliamentary seat.

PAPies are good in electoral calculation, they use
a) Protection of minority representation to create 3 to 4 members GRC in 1988 and 1991

b) Then they use efficiency of town council operation, which has nothing to do with electoral democracy, to increase GRC to 5 to 6 members

c) Now they use efficiency benchmark to gauge town councils, purpose is to highlight pap town councils’ “success” ( which came with unlimited funding )

Whatever and however Oppositions are able to organize themselves will not stop the PAP from winning the Next Two to Three Elections. Much of electioneering gimmicks and ploys by the Incumbent have been elaborated by many netizens.

The Question that lingers is, will the next ten to fifteen years be as peaceful as it is now, without social turmoil, large scale industrial chaos, crimes and politic induced unrests???

patriot

Sigh…. and this brings us back to the consolation prize. Slowly but surely.
Only that is achievable.
Sigh…

//KopitiamApek

//The upgrade carrot will have less impact this election as many HDB blocks already got upgraded. They can only used in in areas yet to be upgraded, which generally are those with higher support (contrary to what most believe, the areas with higher support actually is placed further down the queue for upgrading)

How does he know this?

238) KopitiamApek

Quite right about that carrot part…so when you are done giving carrot, the stick appears!

240) Kow Kee Seng

/////3) Singaporean have this tendency, they support a cabinet minister lead single ward or GRC in general.//////

////, therefore the electoral map can see the 6 members GRC include MM, SM Goh, PM, Jayakumar, Teo Chee Hian, TKhaw BW ; etc, together they yeild 35 seats for pap, which is 43 % of total Parliamentary seat.////////

In reality they only got 6 strong candidates, the others were free riders.

244) Yamamoto

///////// Quite right about that carrot part…so when you are done giving carrot, the stick appears //////

But they do not have much of a stick to wield at voter anymore, do they.
If flat already upgraded liao, they cannot undo that.

//KopitiamApek

Please dont go around frightening the voters of Low Tk.

All is not lost for the opposition.

247) FPC on September 6th, 2009 5.31 pm //KopitiamApek

/////// Please dont go around frightening the voters of Low Tk.
All is not lost for the opposition. ///////

I do not understand your comment.

Would a coalition of opposition parties be formed and try to win over a GRC first?

The purpose:
1) To show to the rest of Singaporeans the oppositions are ‘united’ and serious to bring change to Singapore political landscape.
2) To bring attention of all Singaporeans on how our PAP government going to re-draw the GRC electoral boundary
3) To allow more Singapoare residents have a ‘taste’ of constituencies under the care of oppositions.

Looking at the last election result of Aljunied GRC, i do believe the chance for the opposition parties to win a GRC is very near.

ApApA

post #249 on September 6th, 2009 10.13 pm

“Would a coalition of opposition parties be formed and try to win over a GRC first?”

you are not alone with such a thinking, but thinking further along the line when things go wrong. would it result in a blame game if the coalition is barely united, with different sets of idealogy (on how to bring about progress, or even agree on what progress of S’pore means)?

we’ve seen quite alot of taichi from pappies. this is how pappies work, winner takes all the credit, none of the responsibilities. a loose coalition may end up like this too, though i may be wrong.

if opposition parties want to join forces with another, they do not need posters here egging them on. they would have done so on their own, for they have the economies of scale to better their odds against a powerful opponent.

Didn’t get the chance to read the full speech he gave, but dear god he seems to be under the belief that given the chance to rule, any party other than PAP would be corrupted. So opposition government cannot tap on reserves while only PAP can? It’s as good as saying he spent 15 years thinking of how PAP could rule Singapore forever.

Some people will leave long enough to see the evil of his own doing.

Wonderful posts. #191, 195, 196, 199, 216, to name just some of them. Keep the momentum going — and we might see some positive results. Faint heart never won fair lady, so have the courage of your convictions ans speak out, using your head and heart.
For the opposition to move forward en bloc, a good strong leader — charismatic, credible and brainy — is required. More likely, he or she will come from the top 5 per cent of the populace. Will that good man — or woman — step forward? The nation needs you.
Grassroots connectivity is the key to galvanising mass support. In the past, the unions and the student movement provided the rallying cry. Maybe, it is still not too late to mobilise these support bases. I don’t mean, the NTUC or the inert university associations. I am referring to the grassroots bodies in the heartlands. The opposition would need a good organising secretary — with training in perhaps MLM — to get the ball rolling.
Last but not least, a propaganda chief. I use the word propaganda for want of a better word, but you will understand what I mean. The hearts of the people must be won over — and you can do this through words and images. The power of the media is well known. TOC is a step in the right direction. But it needs more people, armed with the might of the pen, rather than the sword, to sway the minds of the apathetic masses.
A kingdom for the horse, cried the king in distress.
A good leader for our vote, cries this people in distress.

For those who said oppositions are weak, you are very wrong. Twice, Worker’s Party almost captured a GRC. That GRC was the now defunt Eunos GRC. Back in 1988, WP received 49.11% of votes, a mere hair breath of capturing it. In 1991, they garnered 47.62%. If Eunos were to be around now, I am very sure it will be captured by WP.

However, PAP used their dirty tricks and split it up. A few other GRCs were also in danger of being captured by opposition : Cheng San GRC in 1997 garnered 45.2% of opposition votes. And lo and behold, it was torn up again.

Finally, last election, Aljunied GRC garnered 43.91%. Whether it will be torn apart again by the stooges of PAP next election remains to be seen. If it is still around, those in Aljunied GRCs, if you have voted for WP, good job and continue to vote for them. If you have voted for PAP, shame on you. Redeem yourself by voting for opposition and help our country have more opposition to check on PAP and prevent them from importing foreigners en mass and losing billions of our CPF and reserve money.

Those currently staying in these few regions, you can do your part of voting in opposition or convince your neighbour to do so. This is for your own sake. Do not let the party that continue to take away jobs from Singaporeans and give it to foreigners to remain there with no one to check on them.

Proof to LKY he is WRONG. That PAP will never get a clean sweep in the next 10 elections.

Objectives :
1. Next election : vote at least one GRCs worth of oppositions into parliament, along with a few SMCs. Two GRCs if you can do it.
2. Election after next : vote in at least 25% to 35% of opposition MPs into parliament. Deny PAP their 2/3 majority if we can, and deny them the ability to pass stupid laws to suppress people further and enrich themselves even more.

It would be sweet justice for all Singaporeans if LKY can see PAP losing or even crumbling on his death bed.

Time to wake up now, people.

aVoice at 158),

“only time will tell? so cliche. in any case, can you name a sig number of opposition politicians that you deem capable of running this country? why do you choose the opposition? I believe as an island nation and as The Symbol of Peace and HARMONY in the region, a radical/polarized politic scene is not good for our future or our livelihood, and so I choose to support the current govt.”

You are confused over the statements you have made. The subject of our discussion in the previous post is the future, and NOT the past. Moreover, the past does not necessarily represent the future and change is the only constant in this universe.

“I merely used the tax rates and economic recovery as an example, not the sole criteria.”

I will take it that you had genuinely meant your statement to be one of an example, though I would appreciate if you could be clearer in your future representations. (P.S. Criteria is plural, you might wish to note.)

“besides, most people care most about their livelihood and I think you also should think more about quality of living before thinking about your “constitutional right”.

Could you kindly enlighten what is it about your comment that “most people care most about their livelihood and I think you also should think more about quality of living before thinking about your “constitutional right”? I cannot seem to make logic out of this statement, especially the portion about livelihood, quality of life and constitutional right.

“politics is not everything… there are more impt things like racial harmony, (relatively) clean govt, and peace.”

Thank you for agreeing to my first reply to you that the performance of a country should be assessed not only from the econmic aspect, but from other aspects as well.

Pertaining to your comment that “spore has done well not only economically but socially as well”, I shall leave it to the individuals to agree or disagree with you. The discussion itself can already be a topic for a dissertation.

Is time guys to move on to next play level.Speak to as many people as possible about this web so that they are aware what is going on. Is good that this web can be translated to many languages. Kudo to TOC. Many of the chinese speaking may not know about this web site. Do tell so that they can post online their views. Cheers to new S’pore!!!!!

Re: 254) btan on September 7th, 2009 12.34 pm

{ For those who said oppositions are weak, you are very wrong. Twice, Worker’s Party almost captured a GRC. That GRC was the now defunt Eunos GRC. Back in 1988, WP received 49.11% of votes, a mere hair breath of capturing it. In 1991, they garnered 47.62%. If Eunos were to be around now, I am very sure it will be captured by WP.

However, PAP used their dirty tricks and split it up. A few other GRCs were also in danger of being captured by opposition : Cheng San GRC in 1997 garnered 45.2% of opposition votes. And lo and behold, it was torn up again. }

Yes, u r right on. PAP does this for several reasons too

1) MM claims all credit of past 50 years’ progress, even at his pap comrades’ expense.

Have you notice the disapperance of old consituencies’ name from electoral map, only Tanjong Pagar remains.

Or pap erase name of constituencies where they were defeated or had a disgrace MP
Kreta Ayer (Goh Keng Swee)
Rochor (Toh Chin Chye )
Hong Lim ( One Eng Guan )
Telok Ayer (Ong Bang Boon)
Crawford ( Low Yong Nguan )
Sepoy Line ( Wee Toon Boon )
Anson ( Devan Nair and JBJ )

Cheng San Road was a main road crossed AMK from upp Thomson to Serangoon Garden, before HDB flats were built, but Cheng San GRC will never revive.

Hence, the younger generations, up to late 30s hardly know the true history of Singapore, including those “brainy” born with silver spoon new MP.

With such constant revision of history, how would singaporean ever have sense of belonging ?

Govt dont wnat us to think, to question, we are educated to do operational job, a outdated formula for attractive low cost manufacturing MNC investment.

As Sg moves into high tech era, govt now tell us that only FT can help to bring in investment, that might be true, b’cos pap have more than successfully brought up 2 generation of obedient sheeps in Sg.

Is this good for Sg Inc ?

Think about it.

I like to imagine what are the reasons people would not vote for them.

1. want them to be better – swallowing a bitter medicine. send signal.

2. want them to be more transparent.

3. want to know total how much loss in addition to what are reported, if any.

4. want a proportionate People Representation in terms of seats. 82:2 does seem to be a bit strange when a whopping 33.3% did not want to give them the mandate.
some may want something more balanced like 72:12 or 62:22 or 52:32.

5. Some may disagree with the pricing of HDB for 1st time buyers.

6. Some may disagree with FT policy. Not FT directly. I suspect people know and accept reasons for FT. ITs the proportion and number of FT they may disagree. These are 2 different things. But naive people may not be able to tell left from their right.

7. Some may not like CPF component that in effect from cost perspective is making them less attractive to hire. Its a different thing to say that people can be more productive than FTs to get hired. Hiring is done before able to see your productivity.
Still got constant disruptions from work to do some duties. Still got cheaper younger FTs can choose from. Still got FTs accept contract post with great pleasure compared to locals in general. The fact remains, cpf component costs the employer more in this aspect alone.

When son follow father into high office we have a begining of a Dynastic. Keeping power within the family is not what a true democracy desired. We are helpless and they do what they want. They don’t consult but just tell us. It is time we tell them and our only mean is via the ballot box. All of us want change as the last few years had been hard on most citizen. Increasing cost of living, unemployment, frozen wages and influx of FT & FW to add more misery. The increasing homeless people and long free food queue at free charity centres show that the bottom strata of our society had reached breaking points. Our gahment is still sticking to their gun that no socicial help for these people.How much more suffering must we see and endure before we decide to do something about it?

The elderlies are the ones who played a big role in their never-ending dominance.
This bunch of people.
Can their minds change?
IF their minds change, what happens?
The youths comes came to earth not long ago.
So, definitely a lot to do with your moms and dads generation.

They are generally not the vocal type nor as well educated as the newer generations.
Vocal types ones do exist – they just vocal in their own small coffee shop or kpkb to their family members and very close friends only.

The result?

of course, not all are like that. But few and far between.
Hong lim park protest for mini bond hit mainly adults and senior citizens.
How many turned up? Visa vis Hong Kong.
Same bank, same products, same race, same asians , same financial hub, education.

You tell me what is going on. Anything to do with mentality? Wat affected mentality?
I think its pure coincidence . you agree?

Either he is proven wrong,
or he is proven correct.

I urge oppos to offer depression treatment for your supporters in the event you never even win any GRC or worse, 83:1 where potong is the paiseh.

Fear mongering? It worked in the past. Nobody could be trusted to govern SinKapore except PAP- got it? There is no good politician except PAP. We had grown up since 1959 and hopefully we are wiser. He will continue to use fear and treat to keep PAP in power. Are we ready to think independently? Or we still need to be told how to think or better still he think and decide for us? Shall we let the old boy continue to fantacise and we do the real thinking for ourselves? The time is here and now for all of us to take our destiny back into our hand. Result speak louder then words. We must send him the result what that regime deserved in the GE and that would be a proper parting gift for him to take with him to his maker.

dont care boundary or what, just go vote opposition and send a strong message!!! or continue to live and complain!

251) b on September 7th, 2009 12.25 am
So opposition government cannot tap on reserves while only PAP can? It’s as good as saying he spent 15 years thinking of how PAP could rule Singapore forever.

a corruptor talking about corruption, what a dirty world we live in today.

hi ,

have anyone heard about the young ntuc and giving away of 2nd hand pc to the low income families?

does anyone know from where does the money come from to fund this thingie?

i mean i was wondering if LTK could also get this kind of funding and make his HG ward people happy? i mean for low income ones lah.

actually, new pcs can se as cheap as around 400+ complete with LCD and vista home. i saw at computer shop.

For me and my household, we will treat the next GE as the last chance to vote so that my country will not be taken by foreigners.

Even if a lousy opposition take over and squandered $57B of our coffers in the process of learning the ropes, it is ok we can “fire” him in the next election! Better than the $58B that was squandered away by the current leaders and no accountabilty.

hey, lat’s probe MM Lee how he arrive at that conclusion!! that

“PAP will win next two elections”

Absolute Power Corrupts…Absolutely

post #265 on September 8th, 2009 12.52 am

let’s be more gracious if any opposition were to run our glorious little country. have to see how they make up for it, unless they also into taichi-ing the responsibility, then by all means they are not serving the country.

any new team will have their hands full,
1) bringing about accountability :)
2) charting new direction for S’pore
3) getting some pro-pappies (civil servants) to toe the new line
4) face a downed MIW “make noise” to discredit the team
5) etc (i dun know what i dun know…)

it will be challenging times, if its realised, the new team can make a “distress” call to all who have migrated to return. ;) brain drain reversal!

its time to say NO to,
1) “faster, cheaper, better”
2) 1st world education but 3rd world salary
3) non-answers from ivory towers
4) greed
5) growth-at-all-cost
6) being economic digits
did i miss out any others?….

Re: 265) Absolute Power Corrupts…Absolutely on September 8th, 2009 ….

[ Even if a lousy opposition take over and squandered $57B of our coffers in the process of learning the ropes, it is ok we can “fire” him in the next election! Better than the $58B that was squandered away by the current leaders and no accountabilty. ]

dear pal, i sahre the same sentiment with you, but as the white intrenet soldiers already gear up for fight, writing thois way will fall into their hands, they will discredit all opposing voices are irresponsible and irrational.

Do not give them the vote is correct, but do not let them use our writing to con others’ votes is equally importantly

The original people’s figher’s PAP is long dead, in its place must emerge a real people’s voice. it is a long way but an overdue mission !

All signs point to a snap election in Dec this year after a “successful” APEC meeting in Nov, the starits times will publish praises from foreign leaders, especially Sg’s master USA in the APEC, as a tesimony to gain votes.

268) Seah Mei Kok.

Agree. It just irks me that Singapore is so ill-managed in recent years and people’s voices are not heard.

@269) Teh Chiang Wann on September 8th, 2009 8.04 am

Apec?

What if Obama didn’t turn up and sent his VP instead, and say something bad about Singapore, just like what Al Gore did to Malaysia/ Tun M in 1998!

264) observer on September 7th, 2009 10.59 pm

just to comment on old computers, and not y ntuc, i heard that its possible to get for $1 or free eg. when companies collapse or the nett book value becomes $1 when companies decide to scrap the old machines. not sure accurate understanding or not.

269) Teh Chiang Wann on September 8th, 2009 8.04 am
I heard from my friend who also suspected it might be in dec.
usa economic news very nice leh.

whether they win or not is not my priority. i just want to vote.
i pray no walkover.

271) Wishful thinking

Someone will retort that it is rubbish….and we know who will say it…..

and don’t forget, who went to US to speak stuffs about Obama….

265) Absolute Power Corrupts…Absolutely

Correct, how bad can it get when the current talent that forms up the top echelon in singapore cause such loses and need not be accountable….

the more someone tries to say that the opps will squander away our reserves, it always seems that they are pointing the fingers back at themselves….when you point a finger at someone,at least 3 are pointing back at u….

And i doubt the opps can do worse then the current leaders….only a fools will learn from his own mistake…the wise will learn from the mistake of others and I hope the opps will learn how not to invest and how not to be unaccountable…

Unless the mindset of Sporean voters change overnight and unless the opposition parties can offer a stronger team, I am afraid the PAP will continue to win the next few GEs, perhaps with reduced majority. Sporean voters are just too kiasu and kiasi to vote for a change. By and large, most Sporeans are comfortable with their lives, hence why need to rock the boat ?. Also, most Sporeans are just too occupied with their own lives chasing after the so called 5Cs. Where in the world they have the time for change. In a materialistic and money crazy society like ours, people are more concerned on how to get that promotion or how to make more money , buy private properties etc etc etc then to care about politics. The ruling party knows it and they know how to capitalize on it too. I just hope that I can be proven wrong by Sporean voters in the next GE.
The wind of change may finally have arrived after all.

when the old Lee vanishes from politics, the young Lee shows signs of fatique, the 3rd generation lee not ready to do much, the window is before 2016, proabably 2 elections, then the pap kingdom will begin to crack

some better leaders may emerge in pap to correct the wrong course or a good coalition opposition alliance emerged

Let’s pray.

275) Retired And Jobless

Sometimes it may change….look at how diehard supporters change side in Japan because they are sick of the ruling party

what do farmers do when they suspect that teir livestock is infected with a virus? do they take the risk letting it spread or destroy the current stock to be on the safe side?

what more if virus IS detected among the livestock? can they be allowed to spread?

8)

#278,

well, it depends on who strikes the final blow first.

so many questions so few answers, if any at all.

so funny.

A Lesson from Honest Abraham Lincoln :
Abraham Lincoln was reported to have said,
1.You cannot bring about prosperity by discouraging thrift.
2. You cannot strengthen the weak by weakening the strong.
3 You cannot help strong men by tearing down big men.
4.You cannot help the wage earner by pulling down the wage payer.
5. You cannot further the brotherhood of man by encouraging class hatred.
6. You cannot help the poor by destroying the rich.
7. You cannot establish sound security on borrowed money.
8. You cannot keep out of trouble by spending more than you earn.
9. You cannot build character and courage by taking away man’s initiative and independence.
10. You cannot help men permanently by doing for them what they could and should do themselves.

//Ang Kong Kia

1.You cannot claim to be in prosperity if you are spending like a small fraction of what you earn.
2. You cannot strengthen the weak by weakening the strong unless the strong is bullying the weak. govt in history have always love to bully the ordinary people.
3 You cannot help strong men by tearing down big men unless the big men are criminals or are bullying men.
4.You cannot help the wage earner by pulling down the wage payer unless the wage payer is excessively exploiting the wage earner that is is just slightly better than not working by working for him.
5. You cannot further the brotherhood of man by encouraging class hatred unless the target seeks to incite the hatred of the class with exploitation and manipulation.
6. You cannot help the poor by destroying the rich unless the rich is feeding on the poor.
7. You cannot establish sound security on borrowed money which is why we should banned lending monies to the government with the CPF.
8. You cannot keep out of trouble by spending more than you earn and therefore there is a need to check on govt to see if they are investing(spending) moderately.
9. You cannot build character and courage by taking away man’s initiative and independence.
10. You cannot help men permanently by doing for them what they could and should do themselves unless you had promised them you would do the service and take their monies but later refuse to perform the service.

Unqualified statements are an initiation to silly decisions.

//Ang Kong Kia

1.You cannot claim to be in prosperity if you are spending like a small fraction of what you earn.
2. You cannot strengthen the weak by weakening the strong unless the strong is bullying the weak. govt in history have always love to bully the ordinary people.
3 You cannot help strong men by tearing down big men unless the big men are criminals or are bullying men.
4.You cannot help the wage earner by pulling down the wage payer unless the wage payer is excessively exploiting the wage earner that is is just slightly better than not working by working for him.
5. You cannot further the brotherhood of man by encouraging class hatred unless the target seeks to incite the hatred of the class with exploitation and manipulation.
6. You cannot help the poor by destroying the rich unless the rich is feeding on the poor.
7. You cannot establish sound security on borrowed money which is why we should banned lending monies to the government with the CPF.
8. You cannot keep out of trouble by spending more than you earn and therefore there is a need to check on govt to see if they are investing(spending) moderately.
9. You cannot build character and courage by taking away man’s initiative and independence which is why conscription over a long period (more than 1 year) harms the citizen.
10. You cannot help men permanently by doing for them what they could and should do themselves unless you had promised them you would do the service and take their monies but later refuse to perform the service.

Unqualified statements are an initiation to silly decisions.

some observations to share:

1. nday rally speech : reminded us of the past and compared with 50 years later . technology , from the west mainly, do change with time.

2. white book : invited the ‘old guards’. nostalgia.

3. the elderlies gave them strong support in the past 50 years. These are the typical singaproean.

==
[On opposites]

1. i personally have not feel they Exist – never seen them. anywhere.
walkout? where? handshake with residents? where?
Even tho i live in HG more than 1 decade.

2. i personally do not think they have done what is possible under the current boundaries. This is strange. weird . if you compare how politicians especially an opposte behaves in other countries. Why? the reality is unclear.

3. what sms have they sent?
what emails have they sent?
what talks have they conducted?
I never seen them in Hong Lim Park.

so, what is it they have been doing in the last several years post the last election?

4. Is the oppposte ambitious enough? what are the new leaders they have in their team?
I have not seen any since the last election.

5. Is there anyone gung ho enough to inspire the youths?

6. What is the succession plan of Chiam? What is happening and gonna happen to Potong Pasir?

7. HG ward enbloc. What is LTK doing to win votes there? Why he is yet to campaign in a GRC?

8. now:
82:2
next : 81:3 ??? why not?

9. 50 years should be enough time for forming a strong team. Where is it?
What is the Reality?

A.
Regardless if there is a strong on-par team offered, however, i suspect the oppost will still get much of the 33.3% diehard votes
and for this, they should feel grateful . Do provide counselling services to your voters if there is no improvement in the coming election results. You owe them their effort (clapping, shouting) time and trust. 3rd time shock may be too much mentally for some.

B. To me, the 33.3% being represented by 2 is a strange and pathetic situation.

C. Please do more to educate the people.

in singapore, the largest employer is said to be ……
the private sector + public sector.

now, who are theose who are jobless?
who are those who form the 33.3

can this info be revealed?

MM uses the men in white book launch to “reconcile” with his rival old comrades

But he offered no apology. He thought bringing back these old men and women to old Parliament house chamber would erase his iron fists and acts of cruelty to detain with trial of many rivals for many yaers

Ask: will he forgive his rivals if he was in their shoes ?

This is election plot again.

Older singaporean are very forgiving too, including many leftists’ supporters if they read newspapers and see such photos of handshakes

MM and his factions changed Singapore’s physical face but not without sacrifies of many chinese educated folks whose support he used.

He is a shrewd politician, we want a 1005 clear hsitory, that is actually a book written by Lim Chin Siong published in 1990 before his death.

Given that opposition will never win the next election,
i worry and wonder will there be social unrest ?

fortunately, i am glad to realise, singaproeans are all well tamed, so-2-speak, unqiuely like no where else.

“now, who are theose who are jobless?
who are those who form the 33.3″

33.3% will not consist of PAP paid cronies who does nothing useful, spout useless PAP propoganda all day and lose the people’s money that is for sure.

what is absence in Sg, is the swing voters or independent voters who are open to different ideas and without die-hard loyalty to one political party

This group of voters decide most developed nations ‘ election results, and they are the basis of two parties democracy.

In sg, the pro-pap group listen 101% of what govt said without a question.
The anti-pap group denounce pap no matter what policies govt do

few, if any, use cool and rational mind to decide.

What causes this, many resaons

1) State-controlled media

2) super short election campaign ( 9 days in almost every GE )

3) Restriction of political activities in non election time, so a 5 years term will see political activities for 19 days, from dissolve of parliament to voting days, the rest of 1,806 days you don’t hear alernative voices to govt’s statements

4) The emphasis of 5C in MOE approach….

5) You name it…

There is nothing much to look forward to given that 99.999% of opposition have not changed or shown something impressive since the last election.

so, 99.999% its not gonna win.

fortunately i will still vote for them even tho they failed to impress time and time again.

reason: there is no other choice. 1 choice out of 1.

Evil triumphs, when the good men do nothing.

So one PAP’s possible desperate act would be to install LKY as the next President. And GCT for the next term after him. They wld have no dearth of pple – Tony Tan, Dhanabalan, even Ho Ching, Jayakumar…to seal the fate of the reserves. What a bloody scam we have all gotten ourselves into after 50 years!

heh, “by-standers” who are indirectly aiding evil are not doing any good either.

& its always these “by-standers” who absolve themselves from the guilt & blame, just because they are not the poster boys for flying brickbats. like they are oh-so-holy. lol…

66.6% “by-standers”?

Really, there’s no surefire proof against even getting the ‘right’ President into power. LKY can continue his Machiavellian way of politics and edge Singapore steadily towards total disillusionment and despair, and the people will just have to react with the only resourse – violence or mad acts. If the repression leads to utter discontent, who is to stop the power of the disenfranchised and discontented to outvote the PAP’s choice of Prez. Anti-PAP forces can elect their own choice of Prez if they have the full and unconditional support of the people behind them. So unless LKY also has a ruse to stop us changing Presidents to our liking, he shld not be so smug. Don’t tempt fate, I’d say.

The President will always be their choice as no other candidate will be given the “COE” to complete. They will continue to win elections with bigger GRCs, extorbitant deposit (that’s why MP allowance was also raised), walkovers, freebies, ungrading threats and defamation suits. Plus a population that is waiting for the next man to take action. That’s the reality.

PAPa dont preach

285) Who knows the democraphics of 33.3 on September 9th, 2009 5.23 pm

I guess the demographics of the opposition voters belong to the low and lower-end of middle income earners. With the record unemployment plus Singapore has grown more expensive to live in compared to 2006 (last GE); more people who were formally in the middle income bracket has moved into these potential opposition voters.

Dear Old Man

Ain’t your carrot (high pay) policy designed to get the best team? If you are so confident of your high pay policy, why have doubt PAP will not get a better People than the opposition?

Don’t you think you are slapping yourself on the face? Or are you trying to admit that you now have a bunch of pigs in PAP including your son? And you fear it might be worst than this in the future?

#297 I guess,

” With the record unemployment plus Singapore has grown more expensive to
live in compared to 2006 (last GE);”

Assuming the number of unemployed is in excess of 100K (someone show me the link to the stats), we need to find out how many of this are citizens ( having the right to vote) compared to the number of PRs. Is the unemployment rate not based on Residents?

assuming 50:50, only 50k are unemployed?

Divide this 50K by the number of GRCs and wards, how much is left?

Factor in those employed in GLCs and public sector.

The effect and result is clear.

But i still am a fan of LTK, if you know wtf i mean.
He is what we have, not that he is the best ever.

292) white raven on September 10th, 2009 1.51 pm

So one PAP’s possible desperate act would be to install LKY as the next President. And GCT for the next term after him. They wld have no dearth of pple – Tony Tan, Dhanabalan, even Ho Ching, Jayakumar…to seal the fate of the reserves. What a bloody scam we have all gotten ourselves into after 50 years!

This old man has successfully lured all his cronies into legalised corruption by paying themselves $millions through the taxpayers money just to keep him in power. Unless if this corrupted person be removed from power by the people , unless there is foreign power intervention, the fate of the singaporeans will just have to be sealed.

yes, our fate is already sealed even before it began.
only 1 thing that is sure we can expect.
but i cannot say it here.

sinkaporean mentality (66% whom voted for PAP) are those “don’t see coffin, don’t weep” until PAP sucks them to the last drop than they can open their eyes!

CONCLUSION FOR ALL COMMENTS –
TIME FOR A CHANGE ! THE CHANGE IS IN YOUR HANDS.

NO CHANGE = NO IMPROVEMENT= FOREVER THE SAME !

The problem i see is mostly those who struggling with low wage and having a hard time as a result of intense foreign imports may most likely vote against.
These maybe the 33.3 .
These may be those who seldom go online.
These maybe living in 3 rooms.
These maybe renting.
These may be too occupied with long working hours and work that they only have time to sleep and work , work and sleep that they are not reading alternative blogs. Only have time to pick up free ‘tabloid’ style newspapers and MSM.
These may be not just IT unsavvy but also less educated and not strong in english. But strong in singrish.

In summary, i theorise why even though 33.3% voted Against the ruling party, only a little speck of this population are reading Alternative blogs and news.

In short, change will not come until the fat lady sings.

I am not sure who can rebut me.

who knows, maybe the new citizens will bite the hands that feed? for despite given the “goodies”, they may not be as dumb as thought out to be.

they may not come from so called 1st world countries, but they may have the street smarts to see ahead, that includes trouble. who is to stop them from casting their votes as they please?

from the little i know these “newbies” may be more political savvy given the fact they lived through incompetent govts. some of them are rather well connected to the situation on the ground, racial enclaves like little Thailand, Phillipines, Myanmar, China, etc helps them keep one another updated.

it may seem alittle far fetched & i got no facts to back me up lah. the truth is out there?

ya, i agree that new citizens may be more democracy savvy than locals. some china citizens impress me for being more vocal and politically savvy than some ‘waiting for instruction’ people.

chee has proven he possesss the qualities of a strong political leader.
in my view, he is more gungho than all opposition i know. we can see how much he tried to reach out to the majority. he is a leader who we can expect will try all ways possible to reach the people.

He is the only credible opposition leader in my view. a REAL politician.

I am wiling to vote for any party other than Foreigners Action Party.

Yes, Chee is a good choice. I don’t even mind voting for Chen Shui Bian.

At least, he protected his country from foreigners (China)

Our gov? They let imports stomp over our land.

We really need better leadership. It keeps getting worse.

1) We used to have local dramas of reasonable quality. Now it is outsourced to China (why wants to watch Shaolin Monks??) and now the weekday drama is outsourced to Malaysia’s NTV 7. What the heck is wrong?

2) Our news programs are pitiful. They either buy cheap videos from China or taiwan’s tv stations, have no videos to show, or report on utterly insignificant issues like how a retrenched wall-street banker has become a tour-guide. What the heck is wrong?

3) We used to have affordable housing. Now HDB prices are shooting off the roof with HDB profiteering and foreigners playing with speculation.

4) An education in NUS used to mean something. Now it is just a freebie that any 2nd rate foreigner can get. Local NUS grads can’t even get good jobs anymore.

5) There is not even a national identity anymore. We are like a pot of Rojak soup boiling over into the fire.

6) We used to have national athletes we were proud of. Now we buy them from overseas and pretend that SG wins when they win. It was excruciating to watch Lee JW playing against the Chinese player. It was not SG vs China. It was China vs China.

What is wrong with the country? Has it gone mad?

How much are our dear ministers really paid? Is it really jus the millions of dollars that they declare to us?
how many of them sits on the directors board of the temasek controlled companies (bought using our hard earned monies) and get directors fees for doing nothing?

# 309) sand

Now you know why our MM Lee passed a new bill that its even illegal to check on any MPs background some years earlier, if I’m not wrong. The salaries they are getting are nothing compared to those whiter white cronies who are sitting on the board of directorship of numerous stateboards just to play golf and collecting year ends millions while some of you people are still having problems with your 3 meals.

#306,

Chee is indeed a real politician – he demonstrated with the struggles real politicians go thru.

He has never punched anyone, killed anyone , stabbed anyone, robbed anyone, set fire to anyone etc. He is a very gentleman opposition politician. Very tamed by international standards.

He is ahead of his time. Singaporeans dare not support him. Singporeans rather believe rumors.

the other type of opposition are those who appear during election rallies. This does not mean they never do other things. its just that i never see them inaction except during rallies. those few days. and then anpther 5 years or so of …….

The good news is that I will get to see PAP loose an election and become an opposition party.

The bad news is that LKY will not get to see it… Oops!…may be that’s also good news for him…

311) Where is pinkelitis ?

///////// He has never punched anyone, killed anyone , stabbed anyone, robbed anyone, set fire to anyone etc. /////////

almost everyone in Singapore outside of Changi Prison fits the above description.

We are livning in an age where people with vested interests or self-interests tell black as white, and white as black. That’s the beginning of the end of a country; time and again history has proven that to be so.

Who have had wasted the people’s hard-earned savings?

Who is drawing big pay cheque for themselves?

Who is suspecting others will squander away the people’s hard-earned savings?

#314

Who have had wasted the people’s hard-earned savings?
Who is drawing big pay cheque for themselves?
Who is suspecting others will squander away the people’s hard-earned savings?

Check the facts. See the budget documents at MOF’s website. This is a recurring misconception.

You find that:
= personal income tax do not contribute a lot to the revenue

= GST does not contribute a lot either
if you do not pay tax, or are in the lower tax bracket, then you are not really contributing a lot to the fiscal revenue

= the expenditure for politicians and parliamentary appointment holders is tiny when it is compared to the fiscal “stimulus” this year

= making the MPs work for free doesn’t even help to finance any form of welfare by much

//check the facts

This is another beautification ploy by PAP.

A low income person might not contribute (on paper) to the fiscal revenue much.

However, he contribute by lending monies to the govt through the CPF which he receives a small interest (maybe negative interest depending on the inflation rate). This sum of monies will not be able to be taken out by the person either because it is not high enough or it is locked up in an ever costly HDB flat, which is the second way he is contributing to the fiscal revenues. I forgot to add that the medisave account savings though substantial is hardly taped by the individual. It is just lying them to insure the govt from paying / subsidizing medical cost like most developed nations.

That function could have been replaced by universal health care insurance.

Then there is NS where normally you should be getting 24K, but instead you get 4800. Not to add in the enormous cost of missing opportunities where you could save monies for the 2 years to pay for a good professional cost later.

If GST is so insignificant, why the reluctance to lower it during economic downturn? Why put it in place in the first place? The cuscaded nature of this tax and the cost of collecting this tax is low.

The govt on paper doesn’t collect a lot of monies from you as tax but it provides housing, car ownership license and things that you use at a superhigh price. The difference between this taxation and the other ways is that it hits you hard upfront by a big amount instead of taking a small amount little by little at a time.

Keep denying that the low income people contribute.

We shall see how long the low income group will tolerate the pap crap.

//check the facts

“= making the MPs work for free doesn’t even help to finance any form of welfare by much ”

I wonder how many of you really think PAP MP works for the people.

This is a joke.

//check the facts

“= the expenditure for politicians and parliamentary appointment holders is tiny when it is compared to the fiscal “stimulus” this year”

This is a standard technique by the govt (as demonstrated by the expensive mrt gates as compared to Taiwan).

You claimed to put out a huge stimulus.

But most of the monies go to the rich GLCs, which the govt TH owns.

In between there is a small leakage to other groups.

As a result, the TH paper looks less dire (after losses in the banks) , the monies didn’t leave Singapore Govt much, and the govt earns publicity.

Didn’t ordinary people benefit?

I wonder how did other developed countries like Germany manage to run their countries with an even smaller “expenditure for politicians and parliamentary appointment holders” in relation to their revenue and in relation to their population size.

Reading “Check you facts” almost want to make you want to give more monies to the PAP people.

However, when you realise these people do nothing, you would decide better not to.

//check the facts

“= personal income tax do not contribute a lot to the revenue”

How I wish he could arrive from “this” to the conclusion that we should NOT pay income tax…since it is so insignificant.

That would be a first.

BTW, which countries have personal income tax making a major portion of the fiscal revenue? If there isn’t, then why should “check your facts” shoot us down for claiming that the govt is taxing us too much? His example prove nothing.

“if you do not pay tax, or are in the lower tax bracket, then you are not really contributing a lot to the fiscal revenue”

Now, I know why the govt keeps protecting the rich and not protecting the poor. These rich people are paying their salaries not ordinary you and me.

I haven’t see a developed country with the rich paying less tax than the poor and both shares the same level of govt protection (to a certain variance).

I don’t know why Singapore has to differentiate itself in this regard and what gains does it give to singaporeans.

And yes, I think you are from the govt, “check your facts”.

//296) L on September 10th, 2009 4.56 pm

//PAPa dont preach

Yeah, PAP don’t preach. They exploit and squeeze the ordinary people.

Remember the govt pays a lot of monies to smart finance people to come up with all these schemes to squeeze you.

Please please don’t fall for it.

//check the facts

“= the expenditure for politicians and parliamentary appointment holders is tiny when it is compared to the fiscal “stimulus” this year”

This analogy remains me of the frequent display of firepower in the SAF in all the exercises but most of us know that is it just for show.

The real substance is a lot less than the real stuff.

It is like a woman with A cup pretending to be C using push up bra.

It is only good to look (to a certain extent) but it doesn’t feel like the real thing.

//check the facts

“= the expenditure for politicians and parliamentary appointment holders is tiny when it is compared to the fiscal “stimulus” this year”

The seemingly huge stimulus, didn’t reverse the recession and produce anything significant.

The expenditure on the politicians and appt holders could be tiny relative to the so-called stimulus, but their efforts or end result of their efforts is even tinier as shown by the number of serial cock ups last year.

Sad…

#315) the expenditure for politicians and parliamentary appointment holders is tiny when it is compared to the fiscal “stimulus” this year

dude (or girly) wrong comparison!
-1 to u

“check the facts”, go check ur facts on the ground. Ah bian is already in jail, soon it is ur masters turn!

////I wonder how many of you really think PAP MP works for the people////

let me clarify this myth that our MP is working to help the ground people:

about 8 months ago, fellow netitizen wrote to me that his foreign bride was banned by MOM from coming to Singapore after their marriage because his wife used to work in Singapore holding on to a work permit. I agreed to meet him at nearby to understand his case. He shown me 4 MP’s letter that shockingly from the same standard template and 4 returned letters from MOM using also the same reply template. His request is reasonable, he want MOM to tell him when the ban expire so that he can be reunited with his foreign wife. It is so hard to give a answer?

The 4 stupid west side MPs just simply type the same thing and expect different answer from MOM. I told him to stop looking for the MPs and drafted a letter to MOM on his behalf. In my letter to MOM, I reason that if a PRC came to Singapore to work illegally, she will most likely to get a sentencing of 2 years ban from coming to Singapore under the criminal law. I ask MOM, if married without permission from them is a violation of law? If so, why his wife cannot be given a deadlie for the ban to enter Singapore. I further support with the fact that his wife working in Singapore left with good conduct (I told the netitizen to get her ex-employer to write her the testimonial). So why the MOM can’t give a definite answer on this simple request? I told him to send this draft to the highest authority in MOM work permit department instead of going to the counter.

Immediately after this email was sent, he was called by the MOM officer to wait for their call some where in Jun this year. 3 months ago, the netitizen SMS me and told me that his wife had been approved by MOM to come into Singapore.

To hell, with Singapore MPs, they are a bunch of good for nothing people.

Dear “check the fact first”

if PAP is really doing their work, then there isn’t any need to check the fact to begin with. There won’t even a place like TOC if they are working. Demand and supply, you ought to know that. Yah??? You should be the one checking the fact first.

Yes, there are people who don’t pay tax. However, PAP is not stupid when come to robbing the people, to ensure everyone pay, GST was introduced. I suggest that such reasoning used by you should go to say it to a K1 children.

Like FPC, I believe you come from PAP. Only PAP is as lame as you.

RED-man,
Generally MP is nothing but relayer of message. They just relay the message to whoever in charge without really fighting fighting for it. The message is none of their concern since they are just messenger. You see it in parliament when majority of the MP and NMP are nothing but messenger of the ground. They just bring the message into parliament and fight not for it. You wonder why they are paid so much as nothing but messenger and I wonder it too.

#326) Daniel

The prolem in Singapore is that majority of the govt here is that their right hands do not really know exactly what the left hands are doing because all their HODs are busy cracking their heads just to please their bosses boss up there and finally to only one man, hoping to get recognized and get promotion ($$$). So, even within its own ministry, their various depts are still more concern about competing each other rather than a whole. This is exactly whats happening to most of them (MPs) in parliament. Nothing new all these years.

66.6% in the last election when everything was still doing ok.

now with so much hoo-ha on the ground, still expect to win with a convincing margin? I dont think so.

Like many others, i also foresee the opposition capturing a GRC this time round…some ministers are a total waste of the millions we pay them.

I agree with most here that the next GE will be more exciting than watching the world cup finals.

Obviously the 66.6% will go down drastically and if lucky enough the oppositions may even win big time this round, unless those MIW plays dirty by riggng the poll or even announcing false results which is highly possible this time as they know they are loosing popularity day by day now. After all they still command the spf and army to use them as they wish, hopefully those in the spf and military force still remember that they too have parents who are the suffering victims from those MIW bandits and know who are their real enemies instead of following order blindly all these years.

The 13-episode documentary seires 大国崛起, produced by China which gives an objective and good coverage on the rise and fall of the superpowers since mid 15th century till the recent Soviet Union.

LKY claimed that he had watched the show.

What has Singapore learned from the show?

Continuous shutting off of alternate views?

Continuous arrogance and complacency?

Continuous application of past success formulars while knowing that yesterday’s success could be today’s failure?

Continuously doing the same thing the same way while knowing that we can’t expect having different result by doing the same thing same way.

i wonder about what/where sources newly minted citizens get their news fix from. locals papers? internet? or by word of mouth from their motherland?

PAP can only control local media, but outside? look what happen when to S’pore’s venture into telecoms business in Thailand & Indonesia for indications of “success”. lol…

315) check the facts

If you are talking about that. Income tax ain’t that much, GST still ok…but Perhaps you can look at the fact that on top of taxes and GST, 20% of your income goes into CPF that is only usable when you buy a flat or you are at that age…so don’t tell me that contribution isn’t significant

so what does that money goes to? into our SWF investment scheme

“the expenditure for politicians and parliamentary appointment holders is tiny when it is compared to the fiscal “stimulus” this year”

Did you only check from 1 website, or did you fail to notice that our dear leaders can hold other positions in GLC that generates paychecks too? Oh , and why did you fail to mention that our leaders are getting paid way higher then other world leaders like obama. if you are talking about comparing pay vs fiscal stimulus, look at LHL and stimulus vis-a-vis obama and stimulus…does that tell you anything? please, take things in context, not at the surface value….what a joker

“making the MPs work for free doesn’t even help to finance any form of welfare by much”

Paying them at that rate doesn’t seem to produce any noticeable results, maybe only a few manage to shine

Check the fact, what you post is the recurring misconception…so please do not try to tell people here that theirs are…. what you post are just at the surface value, omitting stuff that will contradict your point

@ 315)
If someone is talking about taxes. Income tax ain’t that much, GST still ok…but Perhaps that person can look at the fact that on top of taxes and GST, 20% of your income goes into CPF that is only usable when you buy a flat or you are at that age…so don’t tell me that contribution isn’t significant

so what does that money goes to? into our SWF investment scheme

“the expenditure for politicians and parliamentary appointment holders is tiny when it is compared to the fiscal “stimulus” this year”

that person only check from 1 website? Oh , and why did the person fail to mention that our leaders are getting paid way higher then other world leaders like obama. if you are talking about comparing pay vs fiscal stimulus, look at LHL and stimulus vis-a-vis obama and stimulus…does that tell you anything? please, take things in context, not at the surface value….

Check the fact, what you post is the recurring misconception…so please do not try to tell people here that theirs are…. what you post are just at the surface value, omitting stuff that will contradict your point

what to do, some people select the facts that look good on them & pass off as the whole thing. true they presented facts, but to do so partially, to distort the real situation.

332) mice is nice

so that they can claim they did not lie (which is true)
what they did not tell you is that they presented a selected part of the whole truth

True lies, as Arnie would say. :)

Selective perception, people only see what they want to see….

dynasty rise and demise…this is just normal cycle of life, whether is pap or the great united states….etc are no exception..

perhaps time is not too far away

MM should just zip up.

When MM says that if the opposition seize power by “freak” election, he is clearly insulting the integrity of the voting citizens. He is saying that no normal, conscious, intelligent, morally guided citizen can make such monstrous “errors” unless they are freaks. To layer his condemnation to this abomination, he makes it very clear that the newly elected opposition government will NOT have powers over the police force, army and President. Wow, this is a world’s first. Then what is the significance of a democratic election?

There’s no doubt any more that they will not let go and will do whatever necessary to stay in power. They will declare martial law when the opposition wins big. Just wait and see.

It got me thinking why they pay such high salaries to their yes man ministers. While it may sound good on print that it is used to deter corruption, the much bigger political weapon is to BUY support. Imagine those spineless ministers and civil servants earning big bucks-will they goes against their paymasters to fight for an ideal of equality and lose everything? Of course not. Equality is for poor people. The super rich is mighty fine to have the rest of us scrubbing their floors and polishing their cars.

A king is useless if his own army turns against him. Look at all evil regimes, one example, Burma. Why does the junta still stay in power when the people voted Aung San Suu Kyi as their legally elected new leader. It’s the army/police supporting the junta because they are well fed and paid.

So now we have MM the man himself declaring without apology that even if they lose, PAP will still be in power. He has no fear, no regrets, no apologies, no heart, no soul. Let’s see how this saga plays out. It will be a messy affair and history will notoriously remember tyrants far better than saints.

This is what happens when you let a lawyer run a country?

Food for thought:
What’s the difference between God and a lawyer?
=> God doesn’t think he’s a lawyer. ..:P

#340
MM LKY has passed his era. His rhetorics of a freak election and what not is spoken by a man who do not know how to let go when still in glory. He is clinging on to his last breath enjoying the 3.2 million annual paycheck when the poor and destitute Sporeans are living a hard existence.

In a democracy, chosen by the people, a new government controls all aspect of live and the citizens. LKY is instlling fear to the ignorant about the police, the army and civil service etc will not be controlled by the elected opposition in his term of ‘freak’ election. LKY is testing the intelligence of Sporeans. He is such an old fool now.

Please we beg you, exit gracefully and live your reminiscences of your glory days
with your grand children and maybe with better karma, you can see your great grand children like my mother now at 93 years old. Poor but happy and a good heart. My mother will attain enlightment not you.

maybe the police, army & civil service will vote the pappies out, who knows?

When a political party remained in power for a long time as in the case of PAP since 1959, it is difficult for them to contemplate defeat and out of power. It seemed that they had owned us and the country. Our country had lack checks and balances since independence when the Barisan socialist party was destroyed, all its founders were put in prison under ISA. We were all spectators and none of us fight to keep the opposition. We took in everything we were told. There were communist and out to destroy Singapore. When PAP suceeded in destroying the opposition they also made sure that there was none to replace it. They literally do what they want as there was no one to ask question and challenge any unpopular policies. Generally, the majority population stayed out of politic, more interested in making money and bringing in food for the family. A few brave souls that did, spent many years in prison and we Singaporean did nothing about it. Partly, we lack a figure head to organise any protest. There was a total lack of interest in politic and PAP was left to do what they like regardless. The issue that got Singaporean interested was the wages paid to ministers when it was first announced. But when it went ahead, the issue die down soon after. There was no fellow up as the was no one to organise and keep the issue in the public mind. PAP total control of the media had a big role in creating public apathy toward issue of importance to the country. PAP had discouraged open debates on most issues. Importing large number of FT/FW is anther example. Changes to CPF rules is another issue that had a great impact on Singaporean.It was implemented with no consultation, regardless of the social impact it had on the citizens. A totalitarian form of government is in fact what we have for many years. We must wake up and do what is necessary to restore democracy in our country.

When a political party remained in power for a long time as in the case of PAP since 1959, it is difficult for them to contemplate defeat and out of power. It seemed that they had owned us and the country. Our country had lack checks and balances since independence when the Barisan socialist party was destroyed, all its founders were put in prison under ISA. We were all spectators and none of us fight to keep the opposition. We took in everything we were told. There were communist and out to destroy Singapore. When PAP suceeded in destroying the opposition they also made sure that there was none to replace it. They literally do what they want as there was no one to ask question and challenge any unpopular policies. Generally, the majority population stayed out of politic, more interested in making money and bringing in food for the family. A few brave souls that did, spent many years in prison and we Singaporean did nothing about it. Partly, we lack a figure head to organise any protest. There was a total lack of interest in politic and PAP was left to do what they like regardless. The issue that got Singaporean interested was the wages paid to ministers when it was first announced. But when it went ahead, the issue die down soon after. There was no fellow up as the was no one to organise and keep the issue in the public mind. PAP total control of the media had a big role in creating public apathy toward issue of importance to the country. PAP had discouraged open debates on most issues. Importing large number of FT/FW is anther example. Changes to CPF rules is another issue that had a great impact on Singaporean.It was implemented with no consultation, regardless of the social impact it had on the citizens. A totalitarian form of government is in fact what we have for many years. We must wake up and do what is necessary to restore democracy in our country

The early founders and contributors to PAP were Dr Toh Chin Chye, Dr Goh Keng Swee, Lim Chin Siong, Devan Nair, S Rajaratnam and Lim Kim San and many more. Sadly all the early co-founders were written out of Singapore history. The name all Singaporean know is LKY.It just goes to show what type of person he is.He took all the glory when in the 80s he persuaded all the old guards to step down to make room for the younger generation but he remained to this day. To top it all, he dominated his son to lead PAP – the birth of the Lee Dynasty?How many of our younger generation is familiar with the names of the early leaders?
Do any one out there know whether the children of the first generation leader is in the present government?

“Sadly all the early co-founders were written out of Singapore history.”

Worry not. Very sure many will remember LKY just like they remember Hilter. History will never allow blind eyes to dictatorship, tyranny and oppression.

“The truth, as Mr Seow recounts in his book To Catch A Tartar, was that he had been in discussion with PAP stalwarts Mr Devan Nair (former president) and Dr Toh Chin Chye (former deputy prime minister), who had grown disillusioned with the party they had helped found, to enable the former solicitor-general to take part in the 1988 general elections as an opposition candidate.”
http://yoursdp.org/index.php/news/singapore/2791-seelan-palay-submits-francis-seow-video-for-rating

This means that even founders of original PAP have agreed that old fart and his leegime went too far oppressing the people that they help Francis Seow to setup opp party to bring the PAP back to earth. So if we want to pay respect and homage to all founders of PAP (except for the old fart who create his version of greedy PAP known as New PAP ) , we should boot out the New PAP out in next election.

If the Dear Leader goes, the PAP goes with him. So it’s all dependent on how long more he is around. If he sees himself living to 96 then maybe PAP will win the next two elections. Once his other half goes, it will take a heavy toll on him. It appears his lifelong partner may not live longer than him.

maybe the old man will see PAP fall in front of him, den kick bucket (cannot tahan?)? lol…

The implications of MM LKY of the scenario of a opposition,’s victory in future elections amount to nothing but absolute blackmail of the hardworking citizens that they would not be able to enjoy their fruits of their labour i.e. their cpf savings. Mind you, the present govt. by their rules and constant changing policies have no intentions of doing so anyway. So what have u guys got to lose, pray tell me. Stop living in cuckoo land guys and wake up to the years of deceit and broken promises and vote with your conscience

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Singaporeans i am sad to see we are all in Jurrasic park…..
Very soon FT will dominate you and will earn triple the salary then you although they do the same job as yours.PR will come in with fake degress and will drive posh cars leaving you to take MRT and BUS.

This is already wht is happening…Singapore becomes a landing platform for eurpoean countries.since most of the singaporeans see europeans as a higher cast and seems to bend down whenever they talk.its no point complaining because we fail to stand united.there are many races in singapore someway or the other the chinese look down on the malays and the malays on the indians and so on when a gap is form foreigners take this a chance to penetrate inside.

if you dont see the sitaution in a birds eye view you will forever keep complaning.
A true example that is happening right in front of me…..

A comes to Singapore fm India in the hope to make a living….having life hard finding a job he starts from executive job than goes up to manager than senior manager.

Now senior manager A have a chance to select candidates tell me who will he select singaporean or someone from India

To Him since he came from a hard life in india he will give a priority to the one coming form India or China as singaporean can always find job elsewhere

Now you see the chain reaction and the bottleneck our goverment have put us in.
then it goes on…..do you want to see our granfather working in macdonalds whereas these idiots granfather sit in some faraway land getting money thru western union.

Wake up !!

I think the concern is whether opposition can even field enough people to fight all the seats. I want to vote. No more walkover.. 2 elections already… surely not the 3rd time round..