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	<title>Comments on: PAP will win next two elections: Lee Kuan Yew</title>
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		<title>By: David Tan</title>
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		<dc:creator>David Tan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Mar 2011 03:31:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dear Reader,
This is our chance to made a changed.First the policy of high paying minister job is a ploy to control those in office not to oppose him(LKY)Or they will lose their very high paying job  and suffered outside the PAP umbrella.Secondly where on earth high salary minister are not responsible and accountable for stupid mistake such as the over spending budget of YOG games.Does that mean that those under PAP umbrella will be sheild from prosecution.This made the argument of high reward for talent without accountabilities very confusing/contradicting.Obviously this argument of paying high salary to minister for talent is to enable a better control of those in office to be subservient or they will lose a very lucrative salary job which they will never be able to find outside.To me the current crops of Minister are mercenaries out to only enrich their pocket and not really working for our belove little island which we called home.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dear Reader,<br />
This is our chance to made a changed.First the policy of high paying minister job is a ploy to control those in office not to oppose him(LKY)Or they will lose their very high paying job  and suffered outside the PAP umbrella.Secondly where on earth high salary minister are not responsible and accountable for stupid mistake such as the over spending budget of YOG games.Does that mean that those under PAP umbrella will be sheild from prosecution.This made the argument of high reward for talent without accountabilities very confusing/contradicting.Obviously this argument of paying high salary to minister for talent is to enable a better control of those in office to be subservient or they will lose a very lucrative salary job which they will never be able to find outside.To me the current crops of Minister are mercenaries out to only enrich their pocket and not really working for our belove little island which we called home.</p>
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		<title>By: Ms TF</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ms TF</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Sep 2010 10:52:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Read the following article from FT supplement &quot;The Future of Cities&quot;.  

http://bit.ly/dj5Yrn 

I want to highlight the last paragraph that says &quot;It shows what you can achieve if you are willing and able to plan and implement something without asking the general public for permission&quot;.  

I think this sums up the very sad, but truthfully poignant tale of what Singaporeans have become.  A nation of non-critical thinking herds who does not have a voice to challenge, and will not even need rubber stamping from the all-deciding government.  We&#039;ll pay for the price the day comes without LKY because we didn&#039;t build enough opposition party (or a culture of diversity that promotes critical and robust debate among parties/citizens) is the start of the fall of Singapore.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Read the following article from FT supplement &#8220;The Future of Cities&#8221;.  </p>
<p><a href="http://bit.ly/dj5Yrn" rel="nofollow">http://bit.ly/dj5Yrn</a> </p>
<p>I want to highlight the last paragraph that says &#8220;It shows what you can achieve if you are willing and able to plan and implement something without asking the general public for permission&#8221;.  </p>
<p>I think this sums up the very sad, but truthfully poignant tale of what Singaporeans have become.  A nation of non-critical thinking herds who does not have a voice to challenge, and will not even need rubber stamping from the all-deciding government.  We&#8217;ll pay for the price the day comes without LKY because we didn&#8217;t build enough opposition party (or a culture of diversity that promotes critical and robust debate among parties/citizens) is the start of the fall of Singapore.</p>
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		<title>By: SidneyDelphy</title>
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		<dc:creator>SidneyDelphy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Aug 2010 07:21:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>15 years thinking these safe guards??!!!
hes wasting his 15years of life man! LOL!

Man....WHY kept thinking that the opposition are blood thirsty people will turn Singapore upside down if they are suppose to win by a freak results?

Cant this guy be more gracious??!!! i thought he always want us to be gracious but i nvr seen him gracious enough to accept opposition.

A balance government with the opposition is the very 1st step towards a healthy PARLIMENT!! Look at PAP now? So Stale with flys!! Rotten almost... god save us!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>15 years thinking these safe guards??!!!<br />
hes wasting his 15years of life man! LOL!</p>
<p>Man&#8230;.WHY kept thinking that the opposition are blood thirsty people will turn Singapore upside down if they are suppose to win by a freak results?</p>
<p>Cant this guy be more gracious??!!! i thought he always want us to be gracious but i nvr seen him gracious enough to accept opposition.</p>
<p>A balance government with the opposition is the very 1st step towards a healthy PARLIMENT!! Look at PAP now? So Stale with flys!! Rotten almost&#8230; god save us!</p>
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		<title>By: senior citizen</title>
		<link>http://theonlinecitizen.com/2009/09/pap-will-next-two-elections-lee-kuan-yew/comment-page-8/#comment-145058</link>
		<dc:creator>senior citizen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 09 May 2010 14:09:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So long I have a chance to vote, my vote will not go to the PAP, regardless of whom the opposition is.  Enough is enough.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So long I have a chance to vote, my vote will not go to the PAP, regardless of whom the opposition is.  Enough is enough.</p>
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		<title>By: taxiahkong</title>
		<link>http://theonlinecitizen.com/2009/09/pap-will-next-two-elections-lee-kuan-yew/comment-page-8/#comment-144667</link>
		<dc:creator>taxiahkong</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 May 2010 02:26:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>He should forecast how much TEMASEK holding and GIC will lose/gain in 10 yrs time.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>He should forecast how much TEMASEK holding and GIC will lose/gain in 10 yrs time.</p>
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		<title>By: Raymond</title>
		<link>http://theonlinecitizen.com/2009/09/pap-will-next-two-elections-lee-kuan-yew/comment-page-8/#comment-144570</link>
		<dc:creator>Raymond</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 May 2010 12:54:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I feel sad that &quot;skipper&quot; dont seem to know how the election is conducted at all. Could Mr Chiam or Mr Low or Silvia please come out and give a fair assessment as far as the manning and counting of votes is concern?  It is voters like TomDickHarry and skipper that frightens me what will happen if there are more of them.  Do Mr Chiam and Mr Low as some of the most respected opposition MPs also believe that it is not necessary to bother about the quality of the opposition candidates because you have people like TomDickHarry who will vote anyone that is in the opposition.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I feel sad that &#8220;skipper&#8221; dont seem to know how the election is conducted at all. Could Mr Chiam or Mr Low or Silvia please come out and give a fair assessment as far as the manning and counting of votes is concern?  It is voters like TomDickHarry and skipper that frightens me what will happen if there are more of them.  Do Mr Chiam and Mr Low as some of the most respected opposition MPs also believe that it is not necessary to bother about the quality of the opposition candidates because you have people like TomDickHarry who will vote anyone that is in the opposition.</p>
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		<title>By: skipper</title>
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		<dc:creator>skipper</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 May 2010 02:51:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Of course PAP will win the next 2 elections, in fact, they can win indefinitely. Who are the people manning the pollng stations? Who are the people counting the votes? They are civil servants, aka GOVERNMENT employees. Do we have an independent election commission? NO!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Of course PAP will win the next 2 elections, in fact, they can win indefinitely. Who are the people manning the pollng stations? Who are the people counting the votes? They are civil servants, aka GOVERNMENT employees. Do we have an independent election commission? NO!</p>
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		<title>By: TomDickHarry</title>
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		<dc:creator>TomDickHarry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 May 2010 16:27:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Anyone from Opposition I will vote u in regardless of your qualification. Currently, the s from these assemble batch created more social distress than having a common goal. Sad team.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Anyone from Opposition I will vote u in regardless of your qualification. Currently, the s from these assemble batch created more social distress than having a common goal. Sad team.</p>
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		<title>By: Raymond</title>
		<link>http://theonlinecitizen.com/2009/09/pap-will-next-two-elections-lee-kuan-yew/comment-page-8/#comment-144270</link>
		<dc:creator>Raymond</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 May 2010 05:53:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>inverted_CPF
Old stories maybe but true, only that it is natural that nobody want to bring out to glorify your opponents.  Yes people here used to work hard but the good times has made many Singaporeans becoming lazy and take everything for granted.  Same thing happening in the West, you have countries (like Greece)going bankrupt and yet the people still want to fight to retire at 40 so that they can enjoy free pensions. But who pay for these pensions? It is the taxpayers&#039; money but if everyone wants the good life and dont want to work, where is the taxpayer? True, the current government do supress freedom but for certain reason. As citizens we should point out the government&#039;s mistake and offer solutions. It is easy to criticise.  If you are your own boss or a Manager of a Company, you would realise whatever you do, even you do it for the benefit of your staff, there will still be pockets of unhappiness but the important thing should be, the things you do should benefit the majority and expect some still not happy. You can try to give a $1000 pay rise to all your staff.  Everybody should be happy isn&#039;t it.  No, some will come back to you to say he wants more because the other guy who gets the same actually doing less work than him. If you give in and give him more, there will be more complains - it is a never ending cycle of people being never satisfied. It is a very difficult job to balance everything.  One policy may make some happy and also some unhappy.  If the opposition comes to power, I am sure they will also implement policies which may not satisfy everyone...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>inverted_CPF<br />
Old stories maybe but true, only that it is natural that nobody want to bring out to glorify your opponents.  Yes people here used to work hard but the good times has made many Singaporeans becoming lazy and take everything for granted.  Same thing happening in the West, you have countries (like Greece)going bankrupt and yet the people still want to fight to retire at 40 so that they can enjoy free pensions. But who pay for these pensions? It is the taxpayers&#8217; money but if everyone wants the good life and dont want to work, where is the taxpayer? True, the current government do supress freedom but for certain reason. As citizens we should point out the government&#8217;s mistake and offer solutions. It is easy to criticise.  If you are your own boss or a Manager of a Company, you would realise whatever you do, even you do it for the benefit of your staff, there will still be pockets of unhappiness but the important thing should be, the things you do should benefit the majority and expect some still not happy. You can try to give a $1000 pay rise to all your staff.  Everybody should be happy isn&#8217;t it.  No, some will come back to you to say he wants more because the other guy who gets the same actually doing less work than him. If you give in and give him more, there will be more complains &#8211; it is a never ending cycle of people being never satisfied. It is a very difficult job to balance everything.  One policy may make some happy and also some unhappy.  If the opposition comes to power, I am sure they will also implement policies which may not satisfy everyone&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: inverted_CPF</title>
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		<dc:creator>inverted_CPF</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 May 2010 10:51:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>//Raymond

Old stories again and again.

All the other dragons did the same and the secret is obvious:

People here work hard and defer gratification.

People will eventually bring some sense to the govt.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>//Raymond</p>
<p>Old stories again and again.</p>
<p>All the other dragons did the same and the secret is obvious:</p>
<p>People here work hard and defer gratification.</p>
<p>People will eventually bring some sense to the govt.</p>
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		<title>By: Raymond</title>
		<link>http://theonlinecitizen.com/2009/09/pap-will-next-two-elections-lee-kuan-yew/comment-page-8/#comment-144112</link>
		<dc:creator>Raymond</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 May 2010 08:39:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To this day, I still believe Singapore has achieved the impossible.  How can a country, so small that it is actually a city only and even that much smaller than many other cities in the world including Bangkok, Beijing, Shanghai, New Delhi, Bombay and so on.  And yet within this small place with population of 3-4 million, we are able to achieve a standard of living and economic power much greater than countries hundred or thousand times bigger than us? How are we able to accumulate over the years since the PAP came to power in the 60s a sovereign wealth fund that is worth S$300 billion? Many more powerful and bigger countries don&#039;t have this money and envy us and if we are not strong militarily, could have devour us up like what happened to Kuwait by the then Saddam Hussein of Iraq. All these does not come without planning made years in advance.  And the government got to keep on planning for the future sometimes very unpopular it may be.  For why must the government think of how to look after the aged in 20 years time when it may not be in power? Why don&#039;t take whatever money you have and spend on popular policies to ensure you get elected the next round. If you buy insurance policies, you know the returns are hardly 2 to 2.5%(maximum), so how does the CPF managed to generate 2.5% on ordinary account and above 3% on the Retirement Account. Even insurance companies (the genuine agents) will advise you to keep your money in the CPF and not take them out to put into insurance as the returns are smaller. A country, so tiny that it is really a dot on the world map, with no natural resources yet able to rank themselves as some of the largest investors in countries like Vietnam, Malaysia, Thailand, Indonesia and even China in the earlier years.  Do you know that Petronas (the Malaysian oil co) receives royalties on the oil and they made annual contributions to their Government from their profit and the amount given to the latter for the past 5 years was enough to give every single Malaysian (young or old) to sum equivalent to Ringgit 5 million! Do we have the benefit of such easy money? All the money we have is earn from our exports of finished goods, tourism etc and the surplus in the government budget were saved up and that is how we have GIC and Temasek. The Government could made itself very popular by spending away all these surplus but is that the way we should do for our future generation?...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To this day, I still believe Singapore has achieved the impossible.  How can a country, so small that it is actually a city only and even that much smaller than many other cities in the world including Bangkok, Beijing, Shanghai, New Delhi, Bombay and so on.  And yet within this small place with population of 3-4 million, we are able to achieve a standard of living and economic power much greater than countries hundred or thousand times bigger than us? How are we able to accumulate over the years since the PAP came to power in the 60s a sovereign wealth fund that is worth S$300 billion? Many more powerful and bigger countries don&#8217;t have this money and envy us and if we are not strong militarily, could have devour us up like what happened to Kuwait by the then Saddam Hussein of Iraq. All these does not come without planning made years in advance.  And the government got to keep on planning for the future sometimes very unpopular it may be.  For why must the government think of how to look after the aged in 20 years time when it may not be in power? Why don&#8217;t take whatever money you have and spend on popular policies to ensure you get elected the next round. If you buy insurance policies, you know the returns are hardly 2 to 2.5%(maximum), so how does the CPF managed to generate 2.5% on ordinary account and above 3% on the Retirement Account. Even insurance companies (the genuine agents) will advise you to keep your money in the CPF and not take them out to put into insurance as the returns are smaller. A country, so tiny that it is really a dot on the world map, with no natural resources yet able to rank themselves as some of the largest investors in countries like Vietnam, Malaysia, Thailand, Indonesia and even China in the earlier years.  Do you know that Petronas (the Malaysian oil co) receives royalties on the oil and they made annual contributions to their Government from their profit and the amount given to the latter for the past 5 years was enough to give every single Malaysian (young or old) to sum equivalent to Ringgit 5 million! Do we have the benefit of such easy money? All the money we have is earn from our exports of finished goods, tourism etc and the surplus in the government budget were saved up and that is how we have GIC and Temasek. The Government could made itself very popular by spending away all these surplus but is that the way we should do for our future generation?&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Raymond</title>
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		<dc:creator>Raymond</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 May 2010 12:40:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>leesjuanpat
Talking of Thailand which practices somewhat true democracy other than they still have a king (who probably have the final say), Taksin wasn&#039;t voted out in the elections. He was kicked out when he went overseas by a group of people who professes freedom but at the same time could not wait for their turn at the ballot. The yellow shirts demonstrated when Taksin&#039;s people are in power, caused chaos in the streets and finally occupied Bangkok&#039;s airport and by freedom of speech and everything, got what they want by having a PM they wanted.  Some of these people who caused chaos became ministers or got into positions of power.  Now Taksin&#039;s cronies-the red shirts are giving trouble as tit for tat.  The government in power could not do anything because their yellow shirts supporters were also given the same freedom previously.  So is that democracy you are talking about and want to have.  A true democracy that you are talking about is what is happening now in Thailand.  You must have the freedom to arouse those around you without being threaten with jail or other punishment and to demonstrate freely in the streets.  Should Singapore practise such democracy and what would be the consequence? You look at China, do you think that they are able to achieve what is today with true democracy.  If Deng Xiaoping had not put down the students at TianAnMen, China could be in chaos today. Indonesian, after Suharto, tries to practice true democracy.  What happen? Despite their vast resources in abundance of oil etc, have they got far?  India, where you have freedom in everything, today, after 50 years, is still one of the poorest country in the world.  Their freedom resulted in nothing was done because everything must have 100% consensus before it can be implemented.  Over several times, democracy in India resulted in hung parliament, and governments changed hands at the expense of the poor. Because they practise true democracy, some MPs are even criminals and murderers and while in jail, can still remain in Parliament.  Is that the democracy that you want?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>leesjuanpat<br />
Talking of Thailand which practices somewhat true democracy other than they still have a king (who probably have the final say), Taksin wasn&#8217;t voted out in the elections. He was kicked out when he went overseas by a group of people who professes freedom but at the same time could not wait for their turn at the ballot. The yellow shirts demonstrated when Taksin&#8217;s people are in power, caused chaos in the streets and finally occupied Bangkok&#8217;s airport and by freedom of speech and everything, got what they want by having a PM they wanted.  Some of these people who caused chaos became ministers or got into positions of power.  Now Taksin&#8217;s cronies-the red shirts are giving trouble as tit for tat.  The government in power could not do anything because their yellow shirts supporters were also given the same freedom previously.  So is that democracy you are talking about and want to have.  A true democracy that you are talking about is what is happening now in Thailand.  You must have the freedom to arouse those around you without being threaten with jail or other punishment and to demonstrate freely in the streets.  Should Singapore practise such democracy and what would be the consequence? You look at China, do you think that they are able to achieve what is today with true democracy.  If Deng Xiaoping had not put down the students at TianAnMen, China could be in chaos today. Indonesian, after Suharto, tries to practice true democracy.  What happen? Despite their vast resources in abundance of oil etc, have they got far?  India, where you have freedom in everything, today, after 50 years, is still one of the poorest country in the world.  Their freedom resulted in nothing was done because everything must have 100% consensus before it can be implemented.  Over several times, democracy in India resulted in hung parliament, and governments changed hands at the expense of the poor. Because they practise true democracy, some MPs are even criminals and murderers and while in jail, can still remain in Parliament.  Is that the democracy that you want?</p>
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		<title>By: leesjuanpat</title>
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		<dc:creator>leesjuanpat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 02 May 2010 15:43:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Raymond

PAP&#039;s monopoly and unfair strategy against the opposition, practically give them no chance to be voted in. We saw what happened to creditable oppositions being sued till their pants dropped. 

I have to say vote PAP out &#039;gradually&#039; because we can see the present state of affair of our dis-united oppositions. LKY is right to say that PAP will win the next two elections. And I sincerely hope PAP will not. For change to be effective, all constituencies got to be contested, but I do not see this is possible at present for the opposition to do so.

For PAP to recruit new candidates to stand for election is easy. And many graduates or scholars will jump on the bandwagon to piggyback as MPs and enjoy  a good PAP life. Many were never be voted in.
Opposition has a tough time finding new good candidates, being obvious. That is the reason I show greater respect to a new opposition candidate than a PAP one.

Sylvia Lim is one good example of a true blue opposition with ability. And for that matter, any true blue opposition candidate that will fight for the welfare of the deprived S&#039;porean. PAP now is only interested in enriching their own coffer. I have voted for SL in the last election in Aljunied GRC. A fact that I will not be afraid off.

A change of government not necessary have to be a chaotic scenario like present Thailand. A peaceful change is possible. If PAP is to lose power, they must be morally prepared to pass on the government to whomever is elected in the near future and not create trouble like Taksin Shinawatra who is the main culprit behind unrest and riot in Bangkok. In defeat we must be gracious. No one can hold on to power forever. 

I am 4 years older than you. Have lived through the good and bad times of changes. We are no fool to put all our trust in PAP now. Public housing&#039;s is beyond the reach of many average young couple to buy. 

We must let our children and our children&#039;s children have a choice of good justice and under the PAP, this will never materialise without more true opposition voices voted into parliament not the co-opted NMPs and NCMPs. They have no constitutional power to influence policies, just  voices in the wilderness. LHL thinks we citizens are all fools. Look like we must thank him for being the main character in a wayang kulit show and the NMPs and NCMPs as actors. 

Raise the curtain for a new play in parliament - &quot;Prolonging a Dynasty in Singapore&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Raymond</p>
<p>PAP&#8217;s monopoly and unfair strategy against the opposition, practically give them no chance to be voted in. We saw what happened to creditable oppositions being sued till their pants dropped. </p>
<p>I have to say vote PAP out &#8216;gradually&#8217; because we can see the present state of affair of our dis-united oppositions. LKY is right to say that PAP will win the next two elections. And I sincerely hope PAP will not. For change to be effective, all constituencies got to be contested, but I do not see this is possible at present for the opposition to do so.</p>
<p>For PAP to recruit new candidates to stand for election is easy. And many graduates or scholars will jump on the bandwagon to piggyback as MPs and enjoy  a good PAP life. Many were never be voted in.<br />
Opposition has a tough time finding new good candidates, being obvious. That is the reason I show greater respect to a new opposition candidate than a PAP one.</p>
<p>Sylvia Lim is one good example of a true blue opposition with ability. And for that matter, any true blue opposition candidate that will fight for the welfare of the deprived S&#8217;porean. PAP now is only interested in enriching their own coffer. I have voted for SL in the last election in Aljunied GRC. A fact that I will not be afraid off.</p>
<p>A change of government not necessary have to be a chaotic scenario like present Thailand. A peaceful change is possible. If PAP is to lose power, they must be morally prepared to pass on the government to whomever is elected in the near future and not create trouble like Taksin Shinawatra who is the main culprit behind unrest and riot in Bangkok. In defeat we must be gracious. No one can hold on to power forever. </p>
<p>I am 4 years older than you. Have lived through the good and bad times of changes. We are no fool to put all our trust in PAP now. Public housing&#8217;s is beyond the reach of many average young couple to buy. </p>
<p>We must let our children and our children&#8217;s children have a choice of good justice and under the PAP, this will never materialise without more true opposition voices voted into parliament not the co-opted NMPs and NCMPs. They have no constitutional power to influence policies, just  voices in the wilderness. LHL thinks we citizens are all fools. Look like we must thank him for being the main character in a wayang kulit show and the NMPs and NCMPs as actors. </p>
<p>Raise the curtain for a new play in parliament &#8211; &#8220;Prolonging a Dynasty in Singapore&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Raymond</title>
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		<dc:creator>Raymond</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 02 May 2010 04:41:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>leesjuan-pat

Thank you for your comments. Just would ask you a question - how old are you?.  I am 61 and went through those hardship years where getting a job is so difficult. Those days, we admire great cities like Manila, Colombo (Sri-lanka, Bangkok etc.  We were much behind them in standards of living and everything.  Today what happen? Their nationals are now flocking to our country to be employed as labourers and maids, a job shun by our young Singaporeans.  Why and how come?  I do agree certain policies are implemented badly but tell me how many countries that you can name (with all the democratic freedom that you desire) have done well over the past 20 years.  Look at Taiwan, you really want our MPs to be throwing punches at each other and getting nothing done. In Thailand, you have Red shirts and yellow or pink shirts and the Army threading punches getting people killed all in the name of democracy and freedom of speech.  You know how small Singapore is?  While Bangkok is in chaos, tourists are still flocking to other resorts in Thailand like Phuket etc oblivious to what happen there because it is so far away.  Do you think that if we have a similar riots in say Ang Mo Kio, places like Jurong, Toa Payoh or the city areas will not be affected.  People will still do their business and can assume nothing has happened.  Are you aware that Bangkok alone is much bigger than Singapore as a whole? Other than criticising, I think we should put forward constructive suggestions as to how we can do better.  No country is totally free of problems, democratic or otherwise.  To me a totallitarian government is undisirable so can be said of a fully democratic one.  You will have chaos if everyone can oppose any policy because no policy can be 100% acceptable.  You should be happy if you get 70% acceptance.  30% will still oppose, perhaps you belong to this 30% group.  You suggest &quot;Vote for change for PAP out gradually..&quot;.  So you still hoping that the PAP will be in power for the moment and that you have no confidence that the opposition will be able to govern on their own.  So you want to vote in opposition for opposition sake but at the same time let the PAP as a government make all the mistakes and gunned them down gradually...... But with all this, let me give you what I really feel - Can Singapore survive as a nation for another 50 or 100 years. I really doubt because no matter how good the government can be, Singapore is really too small, and past history has proven that no small country can survive on its own. To me, an eventual merger with Malaysia, is the way forward but, of course, under different terms and circumstances which probably we will not live to see.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>leesjuan-pat</p>
<p>Thank you for your comments. Just would ask you a question &#8211; how old are you?.  I am 61 and went through those hardship years where getting a job is so difficult. Those days, we admire great cities like Manila, Colombo (Sri-lanka, Bangkok etc.  We were much behind them in standards of living and everything.  Today what happen? Their nationals are now flocking to our country to be employed as labourers and maids, a job shun by our young Singaporeans.  Why and how come?  I do agree certain policies are implemented badly but tell me how many countries that you can name (with all the democratic freedom that you desire) have done well over the past 20 years.  Look at Taiwan, you really want our MPs to be throwing punches at each other and getting nothing done. In Thailand, you have Red shirts and yellow or pink shirts and the Army threading punches getting people killed all in the name of democracy and freedom of speech.  You know how small Singapore is?  While Bangkok is in chaos, tourists are still flocking to other resorts in Thailand like Phuket etc oblivious to what happen there because it is so far away.  Do you think that if we have a similar riots in say Ang Mo Kio, places like Jurong, Toa Payoh or the city areas will not be affected.  People will still do their business and can assume nothing has happened.  Are you aware that Bangkok alone is much bigger than Singapore as a whole? Other than criticising, I think we should put forward constructive suggestions as to how we can do better.  No country is totally free of problems, democratic or otherwise.  To me a totallitarian government is undisirable so can be said of a fully democratic one.  You will have chaos if everyone can oppose any policy because no policy can be 100% acceptable.  You should be happy if you get 70% acceptance.  30% will still oppose, perhaps you belong to this 30% group.  You suggest &#8220;Vote for change for PAP out gradually..&#8221;.  So you still hoping that the PAP will be in power for the moment and that you have no confidence that the opposition will be able to govern on their own.  So you want to vote in opposition for opposition sake but at the same time let the PAP as a government make all the mistakes and gunned them down gradually&#8230;&#8230; But with all this, let me give you what I really feel &#8211; Can Singapore survive as a nation for another 50 or 100 years. I really doubt because no matter how good the government can be, Singapore is really too small, and past history has proven that no small country can survive on its own. To me, an eventual merger with Malaysia, is the way forward but, of course, under different terms and circumstances which probably we will not live to see.</p>
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		<title>By: leesjuan-pat</title>
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		<dc:creator>leesjuan-pat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 02 May 2010 01:43:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Raymond

Many of us, live through those years of nation building. We never deny that PAP had built up S&#039;pore to this day. And we do give credit for what they did. Mind you, WHAT THEY DID.

Gradually, due to lack of opposition voices, PAP becomes arrogant, insensitive, implementing many policies to their own advantage, not looking into the broader picture of many average citizens&#039; sufferingsd.

History has shown that, any government who rule with absolute power, is subjected to abusing the power the voters
gave them. LKY and his FAT PIGS are no different.

Can we not see the &#039;legal corruption&#039; that is happening under our eyes, but as citizens we cannot do anything because all are under the mercy of their despotic, authoritarian rule. WHY? Lack of true oppositions in parliament.

The recent NMP and NCMP increased in parliament, is just a false facade to make the PAP look good. LHL thinks we are fools. You can see how vehement Sylvia Lim opposed it but with all the &#039;faithful Dogs&#039; barking loud on a single voice, is there any effect? This is what I call- &#039;sweeping&#039; policies forced down our throats.

The redrawing of boundaries to PAP&#039;s advantage. The 6-people GRCs? Where in the world do you see such political imbalances. Only a draconian absolute insensitive and bullying-of-opposition PAP government can resort to such measures.

VOTE FOR CHANGE. FOR PAP OUT GRADUALLY.
ONLY WE CITIZENS CAN CHANGE THE CAUSE OF HISTORY. WE MUST BE BRAVE TO DO IT RIGHT!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Raymond</p>
<p>Many of us, live through those years of nation building. We never deny that PAP had built up S&#8217;pore to this day. And we do give credit for what they did. Mind you, WHAT THEY DID.</p>
<p>Gradually, due to lack of opposition voices, PAP becomes arrogant, insensitive, implementing many policies to their own advantage, not looking into the broader picture of many average citizens&#8217; sufferingsd.</p>
<p>History has shown that, any government who rule with absolute power, is subjected to abusing the power the voters<br />
gave them. LKY and his FAT PIGS are no different.</p>
<p>Can we not see the &#8216;legal corruption&#8217; that is happening under our eyes, but as citizens we cannot do anything because all are under the mercy of their despotic, authoritarian rule. WHY? Lack of true oppositions in parliament.</p>
<p>The recent NMP and NCMP increased in parliament, is just a false facade to make the PAP look good. LHL thinks we are fools. You can see how vehement Sylvia Lim opposed it but with all the &#8216;faithful Dogs&#8217; barking loud on a single voice, is there any effect? This is what I call- &#8216;sweeping&#8217; policies forced down our throats.</p>
<p>The redrawing of boundaries to PAP&#8217;s advantage. The 6-people GRCs? Where in the world do you see such political imbalances. Only a draconian absolute insensitive and bullying-of-opposition PAP government can resort to such measures.</p>
<p>VOTE FOR CHANGE. FOR PAP OUT GRADUALLY.<br />
ONLY WE CITIZENS CAN CHANGE THE CAUSE OF HISTORY. WE MUST BE BRAVE TO DO IT RIGHT!</p>
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		<title>By: Raymond</title>
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		<dc:creator>Raymond</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 May 2010 04:46:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is the first time I chance upon this website.  Many people likes democracy, the real one where you have freedom to do everything. But look at Thailand, Indonesia, Philippines - all these our close neighbours, has democracy help them eonomically?  Thais make a big mess of their country.  Fortunately, as a large country, they still survive.  Only the poor surfer.  But who is to fight for them.  All these people who opposed because they have democratic freedom, are generally well-to-do and knowledgeable.  Even if the country is in trouble, they will still live comfortably and enoy life. And when they managed to grap power, they will made more money - millions.  Is that what Singaporeans want?  Does Singaporeans understand how frigile we are?  We have no natural resources whereas country like Indonesia, Malaysia, etc have huge oil and other income.  They can afford to lose money but quickly their coffers will be re-plenished with free oil and minerals from the ground. Will Singapore have a second chance?  So LKY has to use draconian measures to get what he wants for the future of country.  In the process, he hurts and angers alot of Singaporeans who were pushed aside due to his measures.  In the 1960s, he uses very unpopular measures to re-settle farmers from Jurong so that today you have the Jurong Industrial Park giving thousands of jobs to Singaporeans.  If you are in your 20s in the 1960s, you would understand how difficult it is to get a job.  But the good years have created a lazy generation of Singaporeans who thinks that everything comes naturally through no efforts of anyone.  If there is any fault on PAP, I think they did not do well on educating the next generation of people, who must have heart and able to understand well what we went through.  Civil servants, especially the high fliers scholarship holders, have them too easy.  Straight out of Universiy, they were put in comfortable jobs earning 6 figure salaries.  In fact, what should have been done is that they should be put on attachments to those on the ground at least for a year or two so that they can feel how it works and when they are sitting on top, they will be able to implement policies which is more down-to-earth and workable. Opposition, there will be but I hope we have good opposition who do it because they love Singapore and have no where to go should it go down one day.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is the first time I chance upon this website.  Many people likes democracy, the real one where you have freedom to do everything. But look at Thailand, Indonesia, Philippines &#8211; all these our close neighbours, has democracy help them eonomically?  Thais make a big mess of their country.  Fortunately, as a large country, they still survive.  Only the poor surfer.  But who is to fight for them.  All these people who opposed because they have democratic freedom, are generally well-to-do and knowledgeable.  Even if the country is in trouble, they will still live comfortably and enoy life. And when they managed to grap power, they will made more money &#8211; millions.  Is that what Singaporeans want?  Does Singaporeans understand how frigile we are?  We have no natural resources whereas country like Indonesia, Malaysia, etc have huge oil and other income.  They can afford to lose money but quickly their coffers will be re-plenished with free oil and minerals from the ground. Will Singapore have a second chance?  So LKY has to use draconian measures to get what he wants for the future of country.  In the process, he hurts and angers alot of Singaporeans who were pushed aside due to his measures.  In the 1960s, he uses very unpopular measures to re-settle farmers from Jurong so that today you have the Jurong Industrial Park giving thousands of jobs to Singaporeans.  If you are in your 20s in the 1960s, you would understand how difficult it is to get a job.  But the good years have created a lazy generation of Singaporeans who thinks that everything comes naturally through no efforts of anyone.  If there is any fault on PAP, I think they did not do well on educating the next generation of people, who must have heart and able to understand well what we went through.  Civil servants, especially the high fliers scholarship holders, have them too easy.  Straight out of Universiy, they were put in comfortable jobs earning 6 figure salaries.  In fact, what should have been done is that they should be put on attachments to those on the ground at least for a year or two so that they can feel how it works and when they are sitting on top, they will be able to implement policies which is more down-to-earth and workable. Opposition, there will be but I hope we have good opposition who do it because they love Singapore and have no where to go should it go down one day.</p>
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		<title>By: thetruth</title>
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		<dc:creator>thetruth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Apr 2010 10:42:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Let me offer a different view than most.  As an outsider living the life of a true Singaporean.
I came to Singapore 2 years ago by choice.  Not because of work or promise of money.  Purely by choice to be with someone I love.  I left everything I knew behind to start a new life in Singapore.
I found a modest job after a few months to sponsor my employment pass.   I am paid 2.5k per month and live in a rented HDB (which takes half my pay every month)
 
When I first came here I had envisioned renting a place with a nice view, getting a car, and frequent trips visiting other countries in SE asia.  Singapore is clean, safe, and vibrant.  For the first year I lived and worked each day full of curiosity and desire to learn more about this place.
 
Spend time listening and living like an average Singaporean and you will see this country is a &quot;guilded cage&quot; as they call it.  Its pretty on the outside, but you find yourself caught in a cage that isn&#039;t so clean on the inside.
I like to call Singapore a &quot;playground for millionaires&quot; The gahmen likes people with money and will fast track them into the country and make sure they are comfortable.   These people can live without consequence and don&#039;t have much worry in this garden of eden as they call it.
The AVERAGE Singaporean works the hardest to provide for their families.  They make enough pay to keep up, but not enough to really enjoy or retire safely on as most of their money is still held by the gahmen (HDB, CPF, GST, ERP)
But the average Singaporean is scared to talk about these things.  The gahmen uses scare tactics to prevent people from speaking out.  Why else do we have to use &quot;gahmen&quot; in the first place?  They make it so it is comfortable enough to tolerate living here and working your fingers to the bone.
I am happy and encouraged by this site and by its readers.  Singaporeans need to wake up and speak their voice!  Stop being intimidated by the gahmen.  Don&#039;t believe the garbage that voting opposition party will cause instability or loss of resources.  That is BS spouted by the scarecrows to keep you in line.
Singapore does need reform.   Why?   Why can&#039;t Singaporeans get affordable housing?  Isn&#039;t that what HDB is for?   Why is there an Auntie older than my grandmother WORKING at a cafeteria cleaning our mess?  Isn&#039;t there a retirement for her?  How come there is only a small corner of this great island that I can speak my voice?  Isn&#039;t this a democratic republic?   Why must we all speak MANDARIN to secure a job in Singapore?   Isn&#039;t Singapore a multicultural society?  Why does 1 million dollars buy you a PR, but hard work and love for a country cannot?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Let me offer a different view than most.  As an outsider living the life of a true Singaporean.<br />
I came to Singapore 2 years ago by choice.  Not because of work or promise of money.  Purely by choice to be with someone I love.  I left everything I knew behind to start a new life in Singapore.<br />
I found a modest job after a few months to sponsor my employment pass.   I am paid 2.5k per month and live in a rented HDB (which takes half my pay every month)<br />
 <br />
When I first came here I had envisioned renting a place with a nice view, getting a car, and frequent trips visiting other countries in SE asia.  Singapore is clean, safe, and vibrant.  For the first year I lived and worked each day full of curiosity and desire to learn more about this place.<br />
 <br />
Spend time listening and living like an average Singaporean and you will see this country is a &#8220;guilded cage&#8221; as they call it.  Its pretty on the outside, but you find yourself caught in a cage that isn&#8217;t so clean on the inside.<br />
I like to call Singapore a &#8220;playground for millionaires&#8221; The gahmen likes people with money and will fast track them into the country and make sure they are comfortable.   These people can live without consequence and don&#8217;t have much worry in this garden of eden as they call it.<br />
The AVERAGE Singaporean works the hardest to provide for their families.  They make enough pay to keep up, but not enough to really enjoy or retire safely on as most of their money is still held by the gahmen (HDB, CPF, GST, ERP)<br />
But the average Singaporean is scared to talk about these things.  The gahmen uses scare tactics to prevent people from speaking out.  Why else do we have to use &#8220;gahmen&#8221; in the first place?  They make it so it is comfortable enough to tolerate living here and working your fingers to the bone.<br />
I am happy and encouraged by this site and by its readers.  Singaporeans need to wake up and speak their voice!  Stop being intimidated by the gahmen.  Don&#8217;t believe the garbage that voting opposition party will cause instability or loss of resources.  That is BS spouted by the scarecrows to keep you in line.<br />
Singapore does need reform.   Why?   Why can&#8217;t Singaporeans get affordable housing?  Isn&#8217;t that what HDB is for?   Why is there an Auntie older than my grandmother WORKING at a cafeteria cleaning our mess?  Isn&#8217;t there a retirement for her?  How come there is only a small corner of this great island that I can speak my voice?  Isn&#8217;t this a democratic republic?   Why must we all speak MANDARIN to secure a job in Singapore?   Isn&#8217;t Singapore a multicultural society?  Why does 1 million dollars buy you a PR, but hard work and love for a country cannot?</p>
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		<title>By: onefatcat</title>
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		<dc:creator>onefatcat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Apr 2010 16:03:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i doubt so. In fact most Singaporeans, though they appear to oppose against PAP&#039;s ideological views, they continue to vote for this political party despite faults they find within the government policies. This is because PAP has done a considerably good job in the development of Singapore over the past 40 so years and they have gained trust from the people, who believe in their ability and their leadership. It may take some time for us Singaporeans, maybe the younger generation to start pondering over a possible political shift in power or alternative style of political leadership.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i doubt so. In fact most Singaporeans, though they appear to oppose against PAP&#8217;s ideological views, they continue to vote for this political party despite faults they find within the government policies. This is because PAP has done a considerably good job in the development of Singapore over the past 40 so years and they have gained trust from the people, who believe in their ability and their leadership. It may take some time for us Singaporeans, maybe the younger generation to start pondering over a possible political shift in power or alternative style of political leadership.</p>
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		<title>By: sartisel</title>
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		<dc:creator>sartisel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Apr 2010 13:32:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>MM Lee has did whatever he can to ensure the balance of power will not shift. I believed his vision and ideals are theoretically good. However, there remains a factor of ambiguity of implementation.
As Murphy Law would operate, deviations from ideals arises from implementation of plans. These may lead to inevitably failures and downfall sooner than expected.
One good example is the current influx of foreigners. It is for correct that Singapore aging population needed new blood, but the alarming rate at which influx is occurring is too uncomfortable for citizens to accept.
The plans that are made for the progress of Singapore may ultimately cause the downfall of PAP.Once people becomes more practical as you taught them to, i am afraid they will supersede and search for countries with better retirement plans. How contradicting!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>MM Lee has did whatever he can to ensure the balance of power will not shift. I believed his vision and ideals are theoretically good. However, there remains a factor of ambiguity of implementation.<br />
As Murphy Law would operate, deviations from ideals arises from implementation of plans. These may lead to inevitably failures and downfall sooner than expected.<br />
One good example is the current influx of foreigners. It is for correct that Singapore aging population needed new blood, but the alarming rate at which influx is occurring is too uncomfortable for citizens to accept.<br />
The plans that are made for the progress of Singapore may ultimately cause the downfall of PAP.Once people becomes more practical as you taught them to, i am afraid they will supersede and search for countries with better retirement plans. How contradicting!</p>
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		<title>By: peppy</title>
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		<dc:creator>peppy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Apr 2010 18:54:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Elections is not only about balance and checks in the parliament, its also about running a constituency. To select an opposition for the sake of opposing and &quot;checks and balances&quot; is
1. Detrimental to your constituency
2. Detrimental to the parliament
3. Against democracy

If we really want democracy, then simple, just vote the best candidate without looking at other factors. Similarly, voting for the ruling party for the sake of it, is foolish.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Elections is not only about balance and checks in the parliament, its also about running a constituency. To select an opposition for the sake of opposing and &#8220;checks and balances&#8221; is<br />
1. Detrimental to your constituency<br />
2. Detrimental to the parliament<br />
3. Against democracy</p>
<p>If we really want democracy, then simple, just vote the best candidate without looking at other factors. Similarly, voting for the ruling party for the sake of it, is foolish.</p>
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