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		<title>By: plopp</title>
		<link>http://theonlinecitizen.com/2009/09/requiem-for-a-dream/comment-page-2/#comment-106814</link>
		<dc:creator>plopp</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 Sep 2009 07:05:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Poignantly written.

As a student it pains me how many of my teachers are now ironically seeking to fire us up to dream and encourage us to leave aside our GPAs and look beyond the tiny prisms of our worksheets.

Maybe the rot&#039;s set in too deep.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Poignantly written.</p>
<p>As a student it pains me how many of my teachers are now ironically seeking to fire us up to dream and encourage us to leave aside our GPAs and look beyond the tiny prisms of our worksheets.</p>
<p>Maybe the rot&#8217;s set in too deep.</p>
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		<title>By: commentator</title>
		<link>http://theonlinecitizen.com/2009/09/requiem-for-a-dream/comment-page-2/#comment-106274</link>
		<dc:creator>commentator</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Sep 2009 02:36:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dare to dream? It is my dream that someone else will be the next PM soon - and he will be a FT. Can the current PM please endorse this dream?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dare to dream? It is my dream that someone else will be the next PM soon &#8211; and he will be a FT. Can the current PM please endorse this dream?</p>
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		<title>By: Phua Kai Lit</title>
		<link>http://theonlinecitizen.com/2009/09/requiem-for-a-dream/comment-page-2/#comment-106260</link>
		<dc:creator>Phua Kai Lit</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Sep 2009 01:13:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If you do not try to follow your dream, you are likely to end
up &quot;living a life of quiet desperation&quot; (in a job you hate).

 

Most men lead lives of quiet desperation and go to the grave with the song still in them (Henry David Thoreau)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If you do not try to follow your dream, you are likely to end<br />
up &#8220;living a life of quiet desperation&#8221; (in a job you hate).</p>
<p>Most men lead lives of quiet desperation and go to the grave with the song still in them (Henry David Thoreau)</p>
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		<title>By: yj</title>
		<link>http://theonlinecitizen.com/2009/09/requiem-for-a-dream/comment-page-2/#comment-106115</link>
		<dc:creator>yj</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Sep 2009 12:12:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey.. who says engineering can&#039;t be a &lt;a href=&quot;http://coe.berkeley.edu/labnotes/0106/coolalum.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt; dream job?&lt;/a&gt;

I wonder if the sterotyped pragmatism might be a result of our level of economic development back then. 

Whatever the reason, there&#039;re more and more young people pursuing their dreams. 

Give it time.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey.. who says engineering can&#8217;t be a <a href="http://coe.berkeley.edu/labnotes/0106/coolalum.html" rel="nofollow"> dream job?</a></p>
<p>I wonder if the sterotyped pragmatism might be a result of our level of economic development back then. </p>
<p>Whatever the reason, there&#8217;re more and more young people pursuing their dreams. </p>
<p>Give it time.</p>
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		<title>By: commentator</title>
		<link>http://theonlinecitizen.com/2009/09/requiem-for-a-dream/comment-page-2/#comment-105872</link>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Sep 2009 11:57:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Below lyrics aptly describe the city (or silly) state we&#039;re in. (no pun intended)  

Sweet dreams are made of this
Who am I to disagree?
Travel the world and the seven seas
Everybody&#039;s looking for something
Some of them want to use you
Some of them want to get used by you
Some of them want to abuse you
Some of them want to be abused</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Below lyrics aptly describe the city (or silly) state we&#8217;re in. (no pun intended)  </p>
<p>Sweet dreams are made of this<br />
Who am I to disagree?<br />
Travel the world and the seven seas<br />
Everybody&#8217;s looking for something<br />
Some of them want to use you<br />
Some of them want to get used by you<br />
Some of them want to abuse you<br />
Some of them want to be abused</p>
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		<title>By: Broken_sinkee</title>
		<link>http://theonlinecitizen.com/2009/09/requiem-for-a-dream/comment-page-2/#comment-105858</link>
		<dc:creator>Broken_sinkee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Sep 2009 10:01:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I actually agree with James. You see, fulfilling a dream is not just about doing one thing and then everything falls on your lap. This only happens to one in a billion. Most successful dreamers may take years, even decades to see their dreams come true.... and they deal with ridiculous odds.

And believe me, getting parents&#039; approval is the LEAST of your worries. The next hurdles are professional criticism, whether the existing industry accept you, finding good teachers to train you in that dream profession etc etc. The list is endless. And if you are not blessed to be in a rich family, you may have to work a day job and still fuel this dream.

I&#039;m not discouraging anyone. I&#039;m just telling the truth and giving a good picture of the odds one will face. i hope more will have the guts to face them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I actually agree with James. You see, fulfilling a dream is not just about doing one thing and then everything falls on your lap. This only happens to one in a billion. Most successful dreamers may take years, even decades to see their dreams come true&#8230;. and they deal with ridiculous odds.</p>
<p>And believe me, getting parents&#8217; approval is the LEAST of your worries. The next hurdles are professional criticism, whether the existing industry accept you, finding good teachers to train you in that dream profession etc etc. The list is endless. And if you are not blessed to be in a rich family, you may have to work a day job and still fuel this dream.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not discouraging anyone. I&#8217;m just telling the truth and giving a good picture of the odds one will face. i hope more will have the guts to face them.</p>
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		<title>By: A</title>
		<link>http://theonlinecitizen.com/2009/09/requiem-for-a-dream/comment-page-2/#comment-105777</link>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Sep 2009 02:26:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s awfully saddening to see the majority of the comments to this article.

Constantly pushing the blame to other parties. Such anger, resentment, vindication!

Such cold pragmatism at its pinnacle:

&quot;Well written nonsense. Indeed, this must be a literature teacher, to be so divorced from reality. If those boys, those would-be musicians were from wealthy families, maybe they could have tried to live their dream. Or maybe if their parents were of the rare sacrificial breed. But in the end, life happened.&quot;

Life happened? Life is more than just merely living. Your life is in your hands - you are the one who gave up your dreams, gave in to &quot;life&quot;.

I agree with this article - it&#039;s truly well-written and inspiring.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s awfully saddening to see the majority of the comments to this article.</p>
<p>Constantly pushing the blame to other parties. Such anger, resentment, vindication!</p>
<p>Such cold pragmatism at its pinnacle:</p>
<p>&#8220;Well written nonsense. Indeed, this must be a literature teacher, to be so divorced from reality. If those boys, those would-be musicians were from wealthy families, maybe they could have tried to live their dream. Or maybe if their parents were of the rare sacrificial breed. But in the end, life happened.&#8221;</p>
<p>Life happened? Life is more than just merely living. Your life is in your hands &#8211; you are the one who gave up your dreams, gave in to &#8220;life&#8221;.</p>
<p>I agree with this article &#8211; it&#8217;s truly well-written and inspiring.</p>
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		<title>By: lefleche</title>
		<link>http://theonlinecitizen.com/2009/09/requiem-for-a-dream/comment-page-2/#comment-105766</link>
		<dc:creator>lefleche</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Sep 2009 01:02:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I once had a student who excelled in art. her portfolio showed a talent in designing clothes and the use of textiles. she told me her dream is to become a wedding gown designer. i encouraged her to pursue it, go to Laselle or NAFA to learn design but her parents wanted her to to something &#039;stable&#039; like engineering.  her parents told her art is useless and designers are not as &#039;stable&#039; as &#039;engineering&#039;. 

i asked her this question, &quot;anyone can study to become an engineer by sheer hard work but do you think everyone has the talent for design?&quot; i told her i wish that one day she will pursue her talent and become the next vera wang or tan yong. i also shared with her that with a change in economy, most of my peers who were in the &#039;good&#039; courses (engineering) have left the profession. they end up same-same (teaching) as someone like me from the &#039;lousy&#039; courses (arts/social sciences). engineering no longer guarantees a &#039;stable&#039; job. i told her with globalisation, talent can be maximised anywhere in the world and not just in singapore. as an educated person, she should start to think global.

its been quite a fews years already. i&#039;ve lost contact with this student. i hope she had pursued her dream.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I once had a student who excelled in art. her portfolio showed a talent in designing clothes and the use of textiles. she told me her dream is to become a wedding gown designer. i encouraged her to pursue it, go to Laselle or NAFA to learn design but her parents wanted her to to something &#8217;stable&#8217; like engineering.  her parents told her art is useless and designers are not as &#8217;stable&#8217; as &#8216;engineering&#8217;. </p>
<p>i asked her this question, &#8220;anyone can study to become an engineer by sheer hard work but do you think everyone has the talent for design?&#8221; i told her i wish that one day she will pursue her talent and become the next vera wang or tan yong. i also shared with her that with a change in economy, most of my peers who were in the &#8216;good&#8217; courses (engineering) have left the profession. they end up same-same (teaching) as someone like me from the &#8216;lousy&#8217; courses (arts/social sciences). engineering no longer guarantees a &#8217;stable&#8217; job. i told her with globalisation, talent can be maximised anywhere in the world and not just in singapore. as an educated person, she should start to think global.</p>
<p>its been quite a fews years already. i&#8217;ve lost contact with this student. i hope she had pursued her dream.</p>
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		<title>By: Observer</title>
		<link>http://theonlinecitizen.com/2009/09/requiem-for-a-dream/comment-page-2/#comment-105763</link>
		<dc:creator>Observer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Sep 2009 23:32:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My dreams were built on a life outside of Singapore, and it has been fulfilled. Thank you Singapore.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My dreams were built on a life outside of Singapore, and it has been fulfilled. Thank you Singapore.</p>
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		<title>By: James</title>
		<link>http://theonlinecitizen.com/2009/09/requiem-for-a-dream/comment-page-2/#comment-105749</link>
		<dc:creator>James</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Sep 2009 18:26:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well written nonsense. Indeed, this must be a literature teacher, to be so divorced from reality. If those boys, those would-be musicians were from wealthy families, maybe they could have tried to live their dream. Or maybe if their parents were of the rare sacrificial breed. But in the end, life happened.

The boy who jumped? A weakling. Those who eventually fulfill their dreams are also those who are courageous, those who are resilient. To try to succeed even of the odds are stacked against him. This boy was not it. He took the cowards way out and the world is rid of a useless weak human being. All the better for the gene pool.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well written nonsense. Indeed, this must be a literature teacher, to be so divorced from reality. If those boys, those would-be musicians were from wealthy families, maybe they could have tried to live their dream. Or maybe if their parents were of the rare sacrificial breed. But in the end, life happened.</p>
<p>The boy who jumped? A weakling. Those who eventually fulfill their dreams are also those who are courageous, those who are resilient. To try to succeed even of the odds are stacked against him. This boy was not it. He took the cowards way out and the world is rid of a useless weak human being. All the better for the gene pool.</p>
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		<title>By: kremlini</title>
		<link>http://theonlinecitizen.com/2009/09/requiem-for-a-dream/comment-page-2/#comment-105732</link>
		<dc:creator>kremlini</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Sep 2009 15:16:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot; Look around you, look at the adults, at your own parents.. Working in their jobs, 
living out a daily drudgery, dreaming of another life. So why not wake up to that other life that you dream about?&quot;

Many are so myopic that they only focus on themselves and not even know how many new citizens are in our midst already.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8221; Look around you, look at the adults, at your own parents.. Working in their jobs,<br />
living out a daily drudgery, dreaming of another life. So why not wake up to that other life that you dream about?&#8221;</p>
<p>Many are so myopic that they only focus on themselves and not even know how many new citizens are in our midst already.</p>
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		<title>By: Bring back the good ole times</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bring back the good ole times</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Sep 2009 15:07:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#59, 
Engineering? haha.
i came from a batch of poly grads where by now, most are not working in engineering.

make a guess why.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#59,<br />
Engineering? haha.<br />
i came from a batch of poly grads where by now, most are not working in engineering.</p>
<p>make a guess why.</p>
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		<title>By: 17-yr-old</title>
		<link>http://theonlinecitizen.com/2009/09/requiem-for-a-dream/comment-page-2/#comment-105725</link>
		<dc:creator>17-yr-old</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Sep 2009 14:19:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yesterday, I had a chat with my uncle. He asked me what course did I take up in Poly. I said its a course that I was interested in.

He questioned me, &quot;Why not you take a proper course like engineering?&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yesterday, I had a chat with my uncle. He asked me what course did I take up in Poly. I said its a course that I was interested in.</p>
<p>He questioned me, &#8220;Why not you take a proper course like engineering?&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: mymotherflat</title>
		<link>http://theonlinecitizen.com/2009/09/requiem-for-a-dream/comment-page-2/#comment-105718</link>
		<dc:creator>mymotherflat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Sep 2009 13:48:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>this weekends durin the hari rayas holidays, i noticed 1 downtrend...
in the year 2006...durin that hari raya festive seasons..you would have seen 1 big nuclues family with 1 colour bajus in hand..family to family...
this hari raya?..sad to even see 1 complete united family in 1 colour set of sarons/kebayas...all seem to mixed liked handmedown clothes...if our prince take no notice..then the grassroots leaders must be colorblind as well
so who booastin here the economy is good and UP?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>this weekends durin the hari rayas holidays, i noticed 1 downtrend&#8230;<br />
in the year 2006&#8230;durin that hari raya festive seasons..you would have seen 1 big nuclues family with 1 colour bajus in hand..family to family&#8230;<br />
this hari raya?..sad to even see 1 complete united family in 1 colour set of sarons/kebayas&#8230;all seem to mixed liked handmedown clothes&#8230;if our prince take no notice..then the grassroots leaders must be colorblind as well<br />
so who booastin here the economy is good and UP?</p>
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		<title>By: Broken_sinkee</title>
		<link>http://theonlinecitizen.com/2009/09/requiem-for-a-dream/comment-page-2/#comment-105655</link>
		<dc:creator>Broken_sinkee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Sep 2009 02:27:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great article. I wish i can see articles of this standard in our mainstream papers instead of drivel like Ms (left on the shelf) Sumiko Tan&#039;s. 

Singaporeans aren&#039;t the only people in the world grappling with dreams and reality. Even in the most developed countries, a small percentage of people actually get what they want in life, and most come to grips with a dream and what is really achievable. 

The larger issue is how singaporeans deal with setbacks or find a compromise between what is possible and a mere dream. I&#039;m going to give the other side of the story, as someone who has dealt with the pains and trials of cradling an unrealistic dream in singapore -

When your parents and friends oppose your wishes, it might be because they CARE ABOUT YOU. They look at your dream profession, and look at how many people live comfortably in this job, and know what you&#039;ll be in for a very rough time. They can&#039;t bear to see you suffer, doing something few respect and turn professional in, so they give you an outright NO.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great article. I wish i can see articles of this standard in our mainstream papers instead of drivel like Ms (left on the shelf) Sumiko Tan&#8217;s. </p>
<p>Singaporeans aren&#8217;t the only people in the world grappling with dreams and reality. Even in the most developed countries, a small percentage of people actually get what they want in life, and most come to grips with a dream and what is really achievable. </p>
<p>The larger issue is how singaporeans deal with setbacks or find a compromise between what is possible and a mere dream. I&#8217;m going to give the other side of the story, as someone who has dealt with the pains and trials of cradling an unrealistic dream in singapore -</p>
<p>When your parents and friends oppose your wishes, it might be because they CARE ABOUT YOU. They look at your dream profession, and look at how many people live comfortably in this job, and know what you&#8217;ll be in for a very rough time. They can&#8217;t bear to see you suffer, doing something few respect and turn professional in, so they give you an outright NO.</p>
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		<title>By: GABRIEL</title>
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		<dc:creator>GABRIEL</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Sep 2009 00:33:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great stuff KJ. Long may you live to produce more gems. I shall do my little bit - and send your piece to all the members of my family, in Singapore and outside. And my friends too. Thanks KJ.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great stuff KJ. Long may you live to produce more gems. I shall do my little bit &#8211; and send your piece to all the members of my family, in Singapore and outside. And my friends too. Thanks KJ.</p>
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		<title>By: passerby</title>
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		<dc:creator>passerby</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Sep 2009 21:39:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>read what a random guy called dm has to say:
http://www.darkmirage.com/2009/09/19/dreams-are-not-for-asia/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>read what a random guy called dm has to say:<br />
<a href="http://www.darkmirage.com/2009/09/19/dreams-are-not-for-asia/" rel="nofollow">http://www.darkmirage.com/2009/09/19/dreams-are-not-for-asia/</a></p>
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		<title>By: Michelle</title>
		<link>http://theonlinecitizen.com/2009/09/requiem-for-a-dream/comment-page-2/#comment-105611</link>
		<dc:creator>Michelle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Sep 2009 12:52:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To Gemami, totally agree with your points here. There is great injustice in Singapore and the world. I merely exhort that we fight it or get around it for that will always be preferable to staying in a rut (not) of our own making. There&#039;s so many people in Singapore and on this site, blessed with the gifts of creativity and humour and parody and making portmanteau words, and I just bet that they will rise up and create such works of art that we shall all weepn to see them.

Cheers, Michelle</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To Gemami, totally agree with your points here. There is great injustice in Singapore and the world. I merely exhort that we fight it or get around it for that will always be preferable to staying in a rut (not) of our own making. There&#8217;s so many people in Singapore and on this site, blessed with the gifts of creativity and humour and parody and making portmanteau words, and I just bet that they will rise up and create such works of art that we shall all weepn to see them.</p>
<p>Cheers, Michelle</p>
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		<title>By: From a fan</title>
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		<dc:creator>From a fan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Sep 2009 12:27:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Beautiful. That was stunningly beautiful. 
Hats off to you KJ. Your articles are the brilliant gems in the huge dunghole that is Singapore journalism (and I&#039;m not just talking about the mainstream media here).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Beautiful. That was stunningly beautiful.<br />
Hats off to you KJ. Your articles are the brilliant gems in the huge dunghole that is Singapore journalism (and I&#8217;m not just talking about the mainstream media here).</p>
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		<title>By: not credible</title>
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		<dc:creator>not credible</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Sep 2009 08:36:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#47 Kelvin Tan

That&#039;s just your reading of it, but I don&#039;t find it persuasive. Anyway, if there&#039;s one person whose words we need not read between the lines, it is the PM (other than the holy MM himself lar). It&#039;s only the lesser ministers and the ST that u need to read betw the lines. Or listen with a huge pinch of salt. 

U left out the most important point in your list also: 

PM Lee said all that so that dreaming Singaporeans can achieve happiness, prosperity, and progress for the PAP.</description>
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<p>That&#8217;s just your reading of it, but I don&#8217;t find it persuasive. Anyway, if there&#8217;s one person whose words we need not read between the lines, it is the PM (other than the holy MM himself lar). It&#8217;s only the lesser ministers and the ST that u need to read betw the lines. Or listen with a huge pinch of salt. </p>
<p>U left out the most important point in your list also: </p>
<p>PM Lee said all that so that dreaming Singaporeans can achieve happiness, prosperity, and progress for the PAP.</p>
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