A thinking foreigner will realise that if this place is so attractive, why is the PAP throwing them money and begging them to stay? He’ll be the one begging us to accept him!

post #80 on September 18th, 2009 8.17 am

////It might be a bad idea to use lures but it might be the only necessary step forward in addressing the arrogance of the PAP. We can tackle the slippery road later – after tackling the PAP.

I therefore agree with @75) Sue-Anne Hoong, but the problem is who is going to sponsor all these prizes?

We are having a diverse range of suggestions on how to deal with the PAP and every idea put forward must be seriously considered. I too like the suggestion by Agent008. There are small and big ways on what we can do to help bring Singapore back from its gallivanting trail.////

alternatively, prizes can be more modest? instead of pricey game consoles, food vouchers to moderately but mid-market food outlets can be considered. also not forgetting shopping vouchers from departmental stores in $20 -$?? denominations.

useful vouchers from:
. major departmental stores,
. electronic/gadget stores,
. hypermarkets,
. food outlets,

… may have a wider appeal, in my opinion. i agree opinions may differ, but prizes should not cater to a target audience too specific as doing so risk alienating others.

;)

Other prizes can be considered like PS3 or XBox games instead. These costs around $40-$60 . Its up to the imagination. There are many other types of prizes costing less than a 100.

As for the sponsor, my personal idea is Mr Tan Kin Lian. He is retiring well after decades in NTUC income.

Shops can be co-opted to give away or sell at cost price in return for promoting their brands or shop name or franchise.

If we don’t consider these options, some other Blogs with a lot of funding may be able to do this and materialistic youths may be swayed over there.

Internet can be Mainstream also. There are mainstream media on the internet also in my opinion. We use internet everyday. So, internet IS MAinstream.

I analysed the singapore situation over many years and seen how things work.

IT TIME!

How does the govt favour the immigrants over Singapore Citizens?

All thinking Singaporeans know that our Government favour immigration / immigrants.

The calibration is made to make them look good before the election.

After the election, I guess it will be back to their “Immigration / immigrants come first” policy”.

It might be a bad idea to use lures but it might be the only necessary step forward in addressing the arrogance of the PAP. We can tackle the slippery road later – after tackling the PAP.

I therefore agree with @75) Sue-Anne Hoong, but the problem is who is going to sponsor all these prizes?

We are having a diverse range of suggestions on how to deal with the PAP and every idea put forward must be seriously considered. I too like the suggestion by Agent008. There are small and big ways on what we can do to help bring Singapore back from its gallivanting trail.

1) Raise the anti pap votes as high as possible, bring their vote tally down to below 55%

2) Vote out those GRC MP who have never contested in past 2 GE

3) Be brave to voice your dissenting voice everywhere, tell others but in measured and rational way

DONT frighten off the swing voters, the more radical we sounds, the more votes PAP gather

They used to boast about Singapore being an educational hub filled with skilled people. But when it comes to job, they lament we have no talent and used it as an excuse to bring in FT (including foreign farmers) in the hope to mitigate the lower birth rate here. When the jobless rate gone up & wages depressed because of FT policies, they started to blame & shame Singaporean with higher education for not wanting jobs with low wages. Thereafter smoked us that such low jobs requires exceptional skills too and than came up with spur to tease our intelligence. So they tell us to put aside all decades of our tertiary educations, past experiences in MNCs and go into training to become cleaner, security guards, waiters, and other kind of labourers for a small sum just enough to feed the govt but not us. Afraid that the people will protest, they enacted laws to silence us, tie us with it and beat us into submission to accept their statistic as it is with falsified rosy picture, & pap newspaper were also quit to jump in, wanting the people to show praise and gratitude for their job “well done”. The whole system is a well-plotted and co-ordinated group of bullies and take on Singaporeans who are grieved. Is this the type of mandate we want that they do not wish to bow to talented Singaporean but continue to bootlick FT (including 3rd world farmers).

Such bitterness only the ground can feel but it won’t be long when election comes.

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22) prettyplace on July 8th, 2009 1.29 pm Even the SPURS numbers reported in CNA was wrong…
from 83,500 + 43,600=124,100. Somehow, they managed to get 124,500.
Wonder what happened to the 400.

Their lies are so blatant….Restructuring was mentioned in year 2000, i guess….and till now with all their training programmes they have not managed to restructure….

what nonsense……almost 10years and they cannot reskill people…..I am sure they will mention the same story again…

The only way out for Singaporeans is to VOTE PAP OUT….send a clear message….Stop the bullshit….make them work for us……not shame us….or test our intelligence….

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23) ACACIA on July 8th, 2009 2.23 pm Yes 22) , I’ve always said this, Vote the PAP out. Singaporeans have to be brave and now is the time. The opposition are more than capable today and many would join to help us through this mess this country and people are facing.
It seems too that the policies that come out are not well thought through. Who finally approves these policies, the ministers, perm secs …..?
People are smarter now to see through the errors of policies. They are not perfect but they cannot be one sided too.

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I proposed solutions before on how to get youths to come here and post their honest comments.

I suggested using PSP, PS3 , XBox, iPhones, iPods and stuffs like these as lucky draw prizes . 1 Lucky draw chance per day of posting. Multiple posts per day counted as 1 to discourage people posting for the sake of getting more lucky draw chances.

At the end of each week or bi-monthly, get mr Tan to present at Hong Lim park to the lucky winner, who can be any age TOC reader to encourage all to post what they feel. For uncles and aunties , prizes like massage vouchers, health supplements etc. For working adults, return tickets to nearby countries.

We need to engage them. Time is running out. I dun wan to kpkb all my life, u know.

Like 4D and toto, if try and try again, one day we may make it. Make the decision seriously like your future depends on it.

i’m ready too. and so are most of my friends.
we really need a change of govt. getting really sick from this cancer called pap.

With a fat pay slip and rubbing with Chinese friends, one can even contemplate retiring to China and buy a village named after oneself. The organ transplate bill fit the picture nicely too if one has monie$$. All meticulous planning, do you think? Ha, ha…

You have a point there but it does not address the point I was trying to make; which is: that the government take responsibility for being the cause of all these cheap foreign labour. Passing the buck to us, or the employers and even the workers themselves is simply wrong.

Imagine the contractor you have engaged to renovate your home, using cheap and unskilled workers, and when things don’t turn out the way you have expected it to turn out, you tell your contractor about it, and he starts blaming you for not looking after his labourers.

@ 53) theforgottongeneration makes the point better than me.

I am curious, why a Singaporean male is required to be enlisted for NS. I am curious what are the duties of a female citizen.

Sometimes the answer on the former question is varied and vague. Eg. that it because we are successful and therefore need to deter jealous western democracies or that in case of a freak result in an election. Other times, the answer is only begging the question, cyclical in nature; that it is because we are singaporean males. However to the latter question, I was not inquisitive enough to seek them till now.

I am curious to what are the duties of a female citizen?

In this age of sexual equality, why should women be denied the opportunity to be drafted to serve our country?

so curious

you left out one important characteristic. Kia Cheng Hu