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		<title>By: Mental Illness in Singapore &#8211; A Cause for Concern? &#124; Greysteppenwolf</title>
		<link>http://theonlinecitizen.com/2009/09/where-is-msms-thorough-investigation/comment-page-2/#comment-170264</link>
		<dc:creator>Mental Illness in Singapore &#8211; A Cause for Concern? &#124; Greysteppenwolf</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Dec 2010 23:36:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] In other words 9% of Singapore&#8217;s population suffers from one kind of mental illness or another. Though we are doing relatively better than other countries such as the US which has a rate of 28.8%, I think having 1 out of 10 people suffer from a mental illness is sufficient cause for concern, especially if you read the World Mental Health Survey report that was undertaken precisely because the problem of mental illnesses is no laughing matter. So what is Khaw Boon Wan going to do about this? Does he intend to look into the causes of mental illnesses?  Nonetheless TOC has pointed out that the inappropriate use of these statistics by Khaw Boon Wan to compare Singapore with other developed countries. TOC points out that statistics for Singapore was acquired from an Institute of Mental Hospital survey while the statistics for the other countries were acquired from a survey conducted by the WHO &#8211; creating an unequal basis for comparison. (Read it here) [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] In other words 9% of Singapore&#8217;s population suffers from one kind of mental illness or another. Though we are doing relatively better than other countries such as the US which has a rate of 28.8%, I think having 1 out of 10 people suffer from a mental illness is sufficient cause for concern, especially if you read the World Mental Health Survey report that was undertaken precisely because the problem of mental illnesses is no laughing matter. So what is Khaw Boon Wan going to do about this? Does he intend to look into the causes of mental illnesses?  Nonetheless TOC has pointed out that the inappropriate use of these statistics by Khaw Boon Wan to compare Singapore with other developed countries. TOC points out that statistics for Singapore was acquired from an Institute of Mental Hospital survey while the statistics for the other countries were acquired from a survey conducted by the WHO &#8211; creating an unequal basis for comparison. (Read it here) [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Yamamoto</title>
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		<dc:creator>Yamamoto</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Sep 2009 12:15:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, if anybody wants me give an example of groupthink and learning disability....i think i know what to say</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, if anybody wants me give an example of groupthink and learning disability&#8230;.i think i know what to say</p>
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		<title>By: IMH</title>
		<link>http://theonlinecitizen.com/2009/09/where-is-msms-thorough-investigation/comment-page-2/#comment-105467</link>
		<dc:creator>IMH</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Sep 2009 10:50:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What Khaw said in Parliament is inconsistent with the increasing applications by the public prosecutors and complied with by our judges to commit accused to the Institute of Mental Health for weeks at a time unless the accused plead guilty even for minor charges.

Remember that Boon Suan Ban is being held at IMH for LIFE ( President&#039;s pleasure) even though Boon had not been shown to have committed ANY crime. His defence in a criminal defamation charge against ex=CJ had been ordered SEALED.

The guy who torched MP Seng Han Tong is believed to be in IMH.........and so is the teenager who threw a chair against a door at an MPS.

Last week the ST carried a report that a taxi driver who was ordered remanded at IMH had the sub-Court order discharged by the High Court, but he faced contempt of court proceedings, even though the sub-court judge had not even thought about accused being in contempt.

So in so far as what Khaw had said, the reality might be different...........at least from the point of view of the public prosecutor.

Getting back to the credibility of our MSM or the lack of it, once again, people should be reminded of what then Legislative Assemblyman Lee Kuan Yew had talked about the Press SINGING THE PRAISES of the (ABSOLOUTE) power in control of the govt. despite of the FACTS. (Perhaps someone who has the text of what Mr Lee had said then, could post it here for those who might not have read to acquaint themselves with reality)

People should get REAL about the role of the MSM...............which is being the MOUTHPIECE of the</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What Khaw said in Parliament is inconsistent with the increasing applications by the public prosecutors and complied with by our judges to commit accused to the Institute of Mental Health for weeks at a time unless the accused plead guilty even for minor charges.</p>
<p>Remember that Boon Suan Ban is being held at IMH for LIFE ( President&#8217;s pleasure) even though Boon had not been shown to have committed ANY crime. His defence in a criminal defamation charge against ex=CJ had been ordered SEALED.</p>
<p>The guy who torched MP Seng Han Tong is believed to be in IMH&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;and so is the teenager who threw a chair against a door at an MPS.</p>
<p>Last week the ST carried a report that a taxi driver who was ordered remanded at IMH had the sub-Court order discharged by the High Court, but he faced contempt of court proceedings, even though the sub-court judge had not even thought about accused being in contempt.</p>
<p>So in so far as what Khaw had said, the reality might be different&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;..at least from the point of view of the public prosecutor.</p>
<p>Getting back to the credibility of our MSM or the lack of it, once again, people should be reminded of what then Legislative Assemblyman Lee Kuan Yew had talked about the Press SINGING THE PRAISES of the (ABSOLOUTE) power in control of the govt. despite of the FACTS. (Perhaps someone who has the text of what Mr Lee had said then, could post it here for those who might not have read to acquaint themselves with reality)</p>
<p>People should get REAL about the role of the MSM&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;which is being the MOUTHPIECE of the</p>
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		<title>By: gemami</title>
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		<dc:creator>gemami</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Sep 2009 03:48:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Patriot,

Thanks for the further reinforcement and the compliments too. The feeling is mutual and it is always a pleasure to share thoughts with you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Patriot,</p>
<p>Thanks for the further reinforcement and the compliments too. The feeling is mutual and it is always a pleasure to share thoughts with you.</p>
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		<title>By: patriot</title>
		<link>http://theonlinecitizen.com/2009/09/where-is-msms-thorough-investigation/comment-page-2/#comment-105403</link>
		<dc:creator>patriot</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Sep 2009 03:20:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Gemami:

your rejoinder at #57 provides me much palliation and encouragement. The Reinforcement and the Clearer Deciphering from Your Comment#57 bring much joy and meaning for me to be a netizen.

&quot;There is much work left for the few of us to break this norm&quot;. Nothing can be more true than this conclusion of yours&#039;. If only we have been less blind a  follower, we would not have been led by the noses and be misled to where we are today.

Yes, admittedly it is not easy to see through the schemers of things, especially those exercise by professionals with authorities in high offices, however, we must ask ourselves should we not be objective. Blind faiths are like religiosity to an imagined perfect being which none exists. Neither should we be cowed into blind submissions or be forced to believe propaganda thrown at us from our leaders.

Gemami: 

I must say that i have good companies in many of You in Cyberspace and You are one that i find most eloquent and your ability to reason truly admirable. Thank You much for the interactions.

From: Yourstruly patriot</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Gemami:</p>
<p>your rejoinder at #57 provides me much palliation and encouragement. The Reinforcement and the Clearer Deciphering from Your Comment#57 bring much joy and meaning for me to be a netizen.</p>
<p>&#8220;There is much work left for the few of us to break this norm&#8221;. Nothing can be more true than this conclusion of yours&#8217;. If only we have been less blind a  follower, we would not have been led by the noses and be misled to where we are today.</p>
<p>Yes, admittedly it is not easy to see through the schemers of things, especially those exercise by professionals with authorities in high offices, however, we must ask ourselves should we not be objective. Blind faiths are like religiosity to an imagined perfect being which none exists. Neither should we be cowed into blind submissions or be forced to believe propaganda thrown at us from our leaders.</p>
<p>Gemami: </p>
<p>I must say that i have good companies in many of You in Cyberspace and You are one that i find most eloquent and your ability to reason truly admirable. Thank You much for the interactions.</p>
<p>From: Yourstruly patriot</p>
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		<title>By: gemami</title>
		<link>http://theonlinecitizen.com/2009/09/where-is-msms-thorough-investigation/comment-page-2/#comment-105381</link>
		<dc:creator>gemami</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Sep 2009 00:24:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Patriot,

Excellently commented @ 53! I understood your comments in #23 &amp; #24. They were meant to cut both ways too. 

It is THE problem with our Singapore society. We have come to a point where we uphold the wisdom of people in authority without ever questioning them and the decisions they make. 

We become unthinking citizens, constantly echoing their voices without truly understanding their meanings, especially the hidden ones. We become mouthpieces without realizing it.

The one most guilty is our MSM. Unfortunately, it is also the one with the strongest influence, so much so that each and every Singaporean has now  become one big walking, talking and living MSM. 

There is much work left for the few of us to break this norm.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Patriot,</p>
<p>Excellently commented @ 53! I understood your comments in #23 &amp; #24. They were meant to cut both ways too. </p>
<p>It is THE problem with our Singapore society. We have come to a point where we uphold the wisdom of people in authority without ever questioning them and the decisions they make. </p>
<p>We become unthinking citizens, constantly echoing their voices without truly understanding their meanings, especially the hidden ones. We become mouthpieces without realizing it.</p>
<p>The one most guilty is our MSM. Unfortunately, it is also the one with the strongest influence, so much so that each and every Singaporean has now  become one big walking, talking and living MSM. </p>
<p>There is much work left for the few of us to break this norm.</p>
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		<title>By: Spanoj</title>
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		<dc:creator>Spanoj</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Sep 2009 17:04:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>For me, Trust ended with the mini bon bons.
Trust has to be earned just like you cannot demand people to respect you or not to curse you in their minds or behind you or spit on your grapes.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For me, Trust ended with the mini bon bons.<br />
Trust has to be earned just like you cannot demand people to respect you or not to curse you in their minds or behind you or spit on your grapes.</p>
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		<title>By: Fat Hope</title>
		<link>http://theonlinecitizen.com/2009/09/where-is-msms-thorough-investigation/comment-page-2/#comment-105361</link>
		<dc:creator>Fat Hope</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Sep 2009 17:01:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And you called those REPORTERS in MSM journalist? They only regurgitate, lock stocks and barrels. Superfiicial, shallow, stepping over one another to come out with the next piece to please the masters.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And you called those REPORTERS in MSM journalist? They only regurgitate, lock stocks and barrels. Superfiicial, shallow, stepping over one another to come out with the next piece to please the masters.</p>
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		<title>By: Fat Hope</title>
		<link>http://theonlinecitizen.com/2009/09/where-is-msms-thorough-investigation/comment-page-2/#comment-105360</link>
		<dc:creator>Fat Hope</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Sep 2009 16:57:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>An apology is needed from Khaw. Years ago they grilled Chee in Parliament over one mistake, and since then labeled him as a liar, cheat. MIW is not so white afterall.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>An apology is needed from Khaw. Years ago they grilled Chee in Parliament over one mistake, and since then labeled him as a liar, cheat. MIW is not so white afterall.</p>
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		<title>By: patriot</title>
		<link>http://theonlinecitizen.com/2009/09/where-is-msms-thorough-investigation/comment-page-2/#comment-105311</link>
		<dc:creator>patriot</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Sep 2009 09:25:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dear Gemami #47:

Four Parties were involved; Minister Khaw, Minister Lui and their MOUTHPIECES Straits Times and Channel News Asia.

The Self-proclaimed religious(Buddhist), the &#039;better respected politician&#039;  Minister Khaw mentioned a World Mental Health Survey(WMHS)2004, done by the World Health Organization, which did not include Singapore, to answer a question about the rates of mental illness in Singapore compared to other countries.
 
According to this  Article by Li Bihui,  Minister Khaw engrafted a IMH(Institue Of Mental Health) obtained figure of 5.6% into the WMHS 2004(which did not include Singapore) as the Answer in the Parliament Meeting. The MSMs; Straits Times and Channel News Asia, then published the Answer in their News Reports without  verifying the Authencity of Minister Khaw&#039;s Answer to the Parliament Query. Then came the Acting Minister Lui who pronounced that their MSMs were &#039;thorough&#039; in investigating reports before publishing them. May i take it that he meant that his MSMs verify all facts before publihing them.

I connected the Piety to Religion(self-claimed) of Minister Khaw and the Self Confident and Self Righteous Acting Minister Lui as impeccable and unfailing leaders. And therefore, the MSMs and those Singaporeans who found, believed and respected the Ministers should not have doubted the integrities of them. What i was implying is that since the MSMs and some Singaporeans have such undying trust in the Ministers, causing them(amongst the parliamentarians and the MSMs) not to feel  the neccessities to verify the correctness(political and factual) and truth of what came out of their (horses) mouths. That feeling of &#039;not neccessary to check(verify) the facts was the cause of the Oversight that i wrote.

Some Singaporeans that i have spoken to are still very trusting of our leaders, very much liked some older folks who rever MM Lee to the extent that the Latter can never be wrong or will forever a wiseman be, faultless. Such blind faith and trust are detected from time to time in the Blogosphere including comments made in TOC.

I doubt Singaporeans are all as discerning when it comes to ascertaining the integrities and respectabilities of our leaders, there are plenty of idolizing and blind faiths prevailing in the citizenry. Me said it before and will repeat the calling here again, let us pay our respects to anyone(regardless of the stature) after the person has no more capacity to do any evil, anyone kicking and breathing could do wrong anytime or be foolish for a moment. AND THERE ARE OTHERS WHOSE EVILS ARE ONLY DISCOVERED LONG AFTER THEY STOP BREATHING. 

Let me say i meant it not just tongue-in-cheek, i did a digging too.

patriot</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dear Gemami #47:</p>
<p>Four Parties were involved; Minister Khaw, Minister Lui and their MOUTHPIECES Straits Times and Channel News Asia.</p>
<p>The Self-proclaimed religious(Buddhist), the &#8216;better respected politician&#8217;  Minister Khaw mentioned a World Mental Health Survey(WMHS)2004, done by the World Health Organization, which did not include Singapore, to answer a question about the rates of mental illness in Singapore compared to other countries.</p>
<p>According to this  Article by Li Bihui,  Minister Khaw engrafted a IMH(Institue Of Mental Health) obtained figure of 5.6% into the WMHS 2004(which did not include Singapore) as the Answer in the Parliament Meeting. The MSMs; Straits Times and Channel News Asia, then published the Answer in their News Reports without  verifying the Authencity of Minister Khaw&#8217;s Answer to the Parliament Query. Then came the Acting Minister Lui who pronounced that their MSMs were &#8216;thorough&#8217; in investigating reports before publishing them. May i take it that he meant that his MSMs verify all facts before publihing them.</p>
<p>I connected the Piety to Religion(self-claimed) of Minister Khaw and the Self Confident and Self Righteous Acting Minister Lui as impeccable and unfailing leaders. And therefore, the MSMs and those Singaporeans who found, believed and respected the Ministers should not have doubted the integrities of them. What i was implying is that since the MSMs and some Singaporeans have such undying trust in the Ministers, causing them(amongst the parliamentarians and the MSMs) not to feel  the neccessities to verify the correctness(political and factual) and truth of what came out of their (horses) mouths. That feeling of &#8216;not neccessary to check(verify) the facts was the cause of the Oversight that i wrote.</p>
<p>Some Singaporeans that i have spoken to are still very trusting of our leaders, very much liked some older folks who rever MM Lee to the extent that the Latter can never be wrong or will forever a wiseman be, faultless. Such blind faith and trust are detected from time to time in the Blogosphere including comments made in TOC.</p>
<p>I doubt Singaporeans are all as discerning when it comes to ascertaining the integrities and respectabilities of our leaders, there are plenty of idolizing and blind faiths prevailing in the citizenry. Me said it before and will repeat the calling here again, let us pay our respects to anyone(regardless of the stature) after the person has no more capacity to do any evil, anyone kicking and breathing could do wrong anytime or be foolish for a moment. AND THERE ARE OTHERS WHOSE EVILS ARE ONLY DISCOVERED LONG AFTER THEY STOP BREATHING. </p>
<p>Let me say i meant it not just tongue-in-cheek, i did a digging too.</p>
<p>patriot</p>
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		<title>By: Agent008</title>
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		<dc:creator>Agent008</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Sep 2009 09:09:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Is this the first in the 50 yrs, of messing with stats, rankings, reports and what nots?  If not for the internet, LiBihui&#039;s writing will never see the light, and we will never get to know about it.  Do we not have the right to doubt or distrust the Govt?

If I accept Khaw&#039;s report, my question to him will be what will the Health Ministry be doing since everything is fine?  Is there any plan to improve mental health in Spore or is he saying there is NO NEED since we are ranked amongst the lowest in the problem.  If there is no need, is there any plan to prevent any deterioration of the problem? Is there any plan to protect the patient and public&#039;s safety with respect to mental illness?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Is this the first in the 50 yrs, of messing with stats, rankings, reports and what nots?  If not for the internet, LiBihui&#8217;s writing will never see the light, and we will never get to know about it.  Do we not have the right to doubt or distrust the Govt?</p>
<p>If I accept Khaw&#8217;s report, my question to him will be what will the Health Ministry be doing since everything is fine?  Is there any plan to improve mental health in Spore or is he saying there is NO NEED since we are ranked amongst the lowest in the problem.  If there is no need, is there any plan to prevent any deterioration of the problem? Is there any plan to protect the patient and public&#8217;s safety with respect to mental illness?</p>
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		<title>By: prettyplace</title>
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		<dc:creator>prettyplace</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Sep 2009 07:06:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank You Li Bihui.....I am sure you are a wonderful student with an eye for details.

The MSM again has shown that it is a joke  and worst Khaw has given not wrong details but an inaccurate picture....and even worst No Body has questioned him on these details....shows how well they are all enjoying their salaries.

Wee done again Li Bihui and TOC for putting up properly diseminated information.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank You Li Bihui&#8230;..I am sure you are a wonderful student with an eye for details.</p>
<p>The MSM again has shown that it is a joke  and worst Khaw has given not wrong details but an inaccurate picture&#8230;.and even worst No Body has questioned him on these details&#8230;.shows how well they are all enjoying their salaries.</p>
<p>Wee done again Li Bihui and TOC for putting up properly diseminated information.</p>
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		<title>By: Winston Chu</title>
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		<dc:creator>Winston Chu</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Sep 2009 07:02:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Straits Times is no New York Times, they are not CNN, they are not BBC, they are the twin of or alike The People&#039;s Daily in China.

Their job is to amplify tiny success of pap govt, blackout any dissenting voices and bad news.

For example, they published that Temasek Holding had recouped most of its loss, so we puzzled, we paid the TH execs million $ and they not only failed to capitalize the weak market with their massive fund, they infact chalked up huge loss as if that IT SHOULD BE the way

Straits Times is completely muted in presenting a balanced view, surely it is shameful, but what can Singaporean do when there is a SPH, first controlelled by a PAP former minister Lim Kim San then by a former DPM Tony Tan

People, cast your votes with foresights and be courageous !</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Straits Times is no New York Times, they are not CNN, they are not BBC, they are the twin of or alike The People&#8217;s Daily in China.</p>
<p>Their job is to amplify tiny success of pap govt, blackout any dissenting voices and bad news.</p>
<p>For example, they published that Temasek Holding had recouped most of its loss, so we puzzled, we paid the TH execs million $ and they not only failed to capitalize the weak market with their massive fund, they infact chalked up huge loss as if that IT SHOULD BE the way</p>
<p>Straits Times is completely muted in presenting a balanced view, surely it is shameful, but what can Singaporean do when there is a SPH, first controlelled by a PAP former minister Lim Kim San then by a former DPM Tony Tan</p>
<p>People, cast your votes with foresights and be courageous !</p>
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		<title>By: Harrison</title>
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		<dc:creator>Harrison</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Sep 2009 06:28:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Thorough investigation is only applicable to other than matters involving PAP. Do I have to spell this out to you, Singaporeans?&quot; Lui&#039;s thought.

&quot;Please don&#039;t blame us for not digging deeper because we are only suppose to report what the ministers said. No more and no less. If there&#039;s any mistake, it&#039;s the minister&#039;s problem, not ours.&quot; Journalists&#039; thought.

Therefore, Singaporeans are bombarded with advertisements everyday to make MSM palatable.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Thorough investigation is only applicable to other than matters involving PAP. Do I have to spell this out to you, Singaporeans?&#8221; Lui&#8217;s thought.</p>
<p>&#8220;Please don&#8217;t blame us for not digging deeper because we are only suppose to report what the ministers said. No more and no less. If there&#8217;s any mistake, it&#8217;s the minister&#8217;s problem, not ours.&#8221; Journalists&#8217; thought.</p>
<p>Therefore, Singaporeans are bombarded with advertisements everyday to make MSM palatable.</p>
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		<title>By: Ephraim Toi</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ephraim Toi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Sep 2009 05:54:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Readers, 
All your opinions, views, grouses no use wan.
There is only 1 way for the MSM to change. Real change.
You know it and so do i.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Readers,<br />
All your opinions, views, grouses no use wan.<br />
There is only 1 way for the MSM to change. Real change.<br />
You know it and so do i.</p>
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		<title>By: gemami</title>
		<link>http://theonlinecitizen.com/2009/09/where-is-msms-thorough-investigation/comment-page-1/#comment-105285</link>
		<dc:creator>gemami</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Sep 2009 05:39:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Patriot,

I thought your comments were made tongue-in-cheek. It is true that Khaw can be considered a pious man and a better-respected politician, but to reason away this blunder as an over sight is stretching it a wee bit too far.

Considering the way the PAP operates, one cannot but conclude that it is a deliberate attempt to deceive – using valid data and giving it an ambiguous twist – with the calculated intent to create confusion, in the hope that the deception will be sold to listeners. Only a conniving person can get away with it.

So no, my dear friend, I have to disagree. It is not an oversight.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Patriot,</p>
<p>I thought your comments were made tongue-in-cheek. It is true that Khaw can be considered a pious man and a better-respected politician, but to reason away this blunder as an over sight is stretching it a wee bit too far.</p>
<p>Considering the way the PAP operates, one cannot but conclude that it is a deliberate attempt to deceive – using valid data and giving it an ambiguous twist – with the calculated intent to create confusion, in the hope that the deception will be sold to listeners. Only a conniving person can get away with it.</p>
<p>So no, my dear friend, I have to disagree. It is not an oversight.</p>
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		<title>By: btan</title>
		<link>http://theonlinecitizen.com/2009/09/where-is-msms-thorough-investigation/comment-page-1/#comment-105283</link>
		<dc:creator>btan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Sep 2009 04:58:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s very simple. Boycott all MSMs. Stop buying their newspaper or even patronising it.

Hit them in the pocket. There are so many good, accurate and truly balanced info in new media as it is.

After that, MSMs have two choices : continue to spew nonsense and become extinct (since no on bother to read and their advertising revenue decreases) or they have to earn a spine and start reporting truth.

Let&#039;s use LKY&#039;s own tactics against them. Hit their pocket.

Boycott MSM now!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s very simple. Boycott all MSMs. Stop buying their newspaper or even patronising it.</p>
<p>Hit them in the pocket. There are so many good, accurate and truly balanced info in new media as it is.</p>
<p>After that, MSMs have two choices : continue to spew nonsense and become extinct (since no on bother to read and their advertising revenue decreases) or they have to earn a spine and start reporting truth.</p>
<p>Let&#8217;s use LKY&#8217;s own tactics against them. Hit their pocket.</p>
<p>Boycott MSM now!</p>
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		<title>By: Daniel</title>
		<link>http://theonlinecitizen.com/2009/09/where-is-msms-thorough-investigation/comment-page-1/#comment-105276</link>
		<dc:creator>Daniel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Sep 2009 04:14:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>3 Legs Good 2 Legs Bad ,
you can imagine the amount of creative accounting goes into Temasek and GIC based on their own set of assumptions which give give them the leeway to embellish their figures for hoodwinking and feeling good. No surprise that they cannot afford to open their book for scrutiny and transparency.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>3 Legs Good 2 Legs Bad ,<br />
you can imagine the amount of creative accounting goes into Temasek and GIC based on their own set of assumptions which give give them the leeway to embellish their figures for hoodwinking and feeling good. No surprise that they cannot afford to open their book for scrutiny and transparency.</p>
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		<title>By: kcuftoekli</title>
		<link>http://theonlinecitizen.com/2009/09/where-is-msms-thorough-investigation/comment-page-1/#comment-105275</link>
		<dc:creator>kcuftoekli</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Sep 2009 04:00:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>愚民政策 (Obscurantist policy)?
What do we expect the performance of MSM under this policy?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>愚民政策 (Obscurantist policy)?<br />
What do we expect the performance of MSM under this policy?</p>
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		<title>By: patriot</title>
		<link>http://theonlinecitizen.com/2009/09/where-is-msms-thorough-investigation/comment-page-1/#comment-105274</link>
		<dc:creator>patriot</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Sep 2009 03:58:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am very happy to get minus 14 points at this moment.

Hope the minus score will go higher.

I sincerely thank those who bother to read my comments #23 and 24.

May I say that i do not, absolutely do not condone the FAILURES of the MSM and the MINISTERS mentioned. Their complacencies are a disgrace to the Leadership.

I like to express my heartfelt appreciations to Yamamoto #25 and Smallvice585 #38 for their responses.

patriot</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am very happy to get minus 14 points at this moment.</p>
<p>Hope the minus score will go higher.</p>
<p>I sincerely thank those who bother to read my comments #23 and 24.</p>
<p>May I say that i do not, absolutely do not condone the FAILURES of the MSM and the MINISTERS mentioned. Their complacencies are a disgrace to the Leadership.</p>
<p>I like to express my heartfelt appreciations to Yamamoto #25 and Smallvice585 #38 for their responses.</p>
<p>patriot</p>
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