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	<title>Comments on: Law Minister defeats “Reporters without Borders’” straw man</title>
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		<title>By: stupid</title>
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		<dc:creator>stupid</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Nov 2009 04:43:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>law? incapable system leaded by incapable person in the court, great singapore</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>law? incapable system leaded by incapable person in the court, great singapore</p>
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		<title>By: george</title>
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		<dc:creator>george</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Nov 2009 03:42:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You may think this ironical or contradictory, but I find Shanmugam&#039;s words, like so many others of his colleagues in similar situations when faced with a foreign, significant, highly educated, well informed and intelligent group, to be good news.

Those cliche statements exposed a proclivity of Shan and his contemporaries in the cabinet to regurgitate some standard, committed to memory, SOP lines to please their masters.

It is groupthink stuffs as strongly held by them as a used toothpick. I am fairly confident that as soon as the master leaves the scene, such robotic statements would also be discarded and expunged from their memory.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You may think this ironical or contradictory, but I find Shanmugam&#8217;s words, like so many others of his colleagues in similar situations when faced with a foreign, significant, highly educated, well informed and intelligent group, to be good news.</p>
<p>Those cliche statements exposed a proclivity of Shan and his contemporaries in the cabinet to regurgitate some standard, committed to memory, SOP lines to please their masters.</p>
<p>It is groupthink stuffs as strongly held by them as a used toothpick. I am fairly confident that as soon as the master leaves the scene, such robotic statements would also be discarded and expunged from their memory.</p>
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		<title>By: Rich man with little money left</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rich man with little money left</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 31 Oct 2009 10:23:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think a few readers have been too harsh on our  multi-millionaire elites.

I feel that they are so Honest, Fair, UnBiased that their interest is always to Serve the Country more than themselves, if any.

This is what i call Serving the People with the highest level of Integrity. This is what i call Public Service. What a public servant!

Shanmugam, you are so great, generations of youths will remember you for your good deeds. You really earn your money in a respectable way. You should be elected by the citizenry in a SMC given your credibility. You are sure to win hands down, by a landslide.

you the man!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think a few readers have been too harsh on our  multi-millionaire elites.</p>
<p>I feel that they are so Honest, Fair, UnBiased that their interest is always to Serve the Country more than themselves, if any.</p>
<p>This is what i call Serving the People with the highest level of Integrity. This is what i call Public Service. What a public servant!</p>
<p>Shanmugam, you are so great, generations of youths will remember you for your good deeds. You really earn your money in a respectable way. You should be elected by the citizenry in a SMC given your credibility. You are sure to win hands down, by a landslide.</p>
<p>you the man!</p>
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		<title>By: promisory meesoto no hum</title>
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		<dc:creator>promisory meesoto no hum</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 31 Oct 2009 03:36:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In which Country was the act committed?
Can RwB annually give assessment of the singapore situation without being sued, using their same standard applied to all countries they assess ?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In which Country was the act committed?<br />
Can RwB annually give assessment of the singapore situation without being sued, using their same standard applied to all countries they assess ?</p>
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		<title>By: Animal Farmers</title>
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		<dc:creator>Animal Farmers</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 31 Oct 2009 03:26:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Kangaroos are kangaroos. Whether there is a report by Reporters without Borders, or Reporters with Borders, or Reporters who Bothers, kangaroos are still kangaroos, animals that is.

The beauty about this deliberate campaign to make itself look pretty by disguising the Kangaroo as a humane Human Being, by at least three big kangaroos, when their Emperor happens to be visiting the US, is that it reflects the deliberate plan  and pains they had gone into this in order to blur the perceptions of the world. This reminds me of the story of the Little Red Ridding Hood who was being conned by the greedy wicked wolf. This is tragic.

Perhaps the end justifies the means. But how long can the veil of rationalistic and perverted reasonings last? One can fool all the people sometimes. One can fool some people all the times. BUT one can never fool ALL the people ALL the time!

Why are we seeing more and more of the Emperor Without Clothes these days?  Even highly trained professionals are stooping so low to help convince all of us (and the world at large) that the Emperor is wearing clothes, when they themselves are living it up in the same Nudist Camp with the Emperor, exposing their own nakedness for all to see!

Tragic!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kangaroos are kangaroos. Whether there is a report by Reporters without Borders, or Reporters with Borders, or Reporters who Bothers, kangaroos are still kangaroos, animals that is.</p>
<p>The beauty about this deliberate campaign to make itself look pretty by disguising the Kangaroo as a humane Human Being, by at least three big kangaroos, when their Emperor happens to be visiting the US, is that it reflects the deliberate plan  and pains they had gone into this in order to blur the perceptions of the world. This reminds me of the story of the Little Red Ridding Hood who was being conned by the greedy wicked wolf. This is tragic.</p>
<p>Perhaps the end justifies the means. But how long can the veil of rationalistic and perverted reasonings last? One can fool all the people sometimes. One can fool some people all the times. BUT one can never fool ALL the people ALL the time!</p>
<p>Why are we seeing more and more of the Emperor Without Clothes these days?  Even highly trained professionals are stooping so low to help convince all of us (and the world at large) that the Emperor is wearing clothes, when they themselves are living it up in the same Nudist Camp with the Emperor, exposing their own nakedness for all to see!</p>
<p>Tragic!</p>
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		<title>By: Daniel</title>
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		<dc:creator>Daniel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Oct 2009 17:06:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;If RwB’s report is untrue or wrong then have RwB been sued already?

If not , tell me the Why.&quot;

&quot;Reporters Without Borders is an international non-governmental organization that aims at defending journalists and media assistants imprisoned or persecuted for doing their job and exposes the mistreatment and torture of them in many countries. It fights against censorship and laws that undermine press freedom, gives financial aid to journalists or media outlets in difficulty, as well to the families of imprisoned journalists, and works to improve the safety of journalists, especially those reporting in war zones.  Website: www.rsf.org/&quot;


So how can kangaroo even sue those Reporters that are without any Border ? Anyway, Singapore can make history and cuckoo by suing RWB, and insist that suing take place in the tiny red dot with summary judgment as usual. After all, suing is done entirely using state money without accountability to citizens anyway. With each sue, our kangaroo reveals its tail little by little.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;If RwB’s report is untrue or wrong then have RwB been sued already?</p>
<p>If not , tell me the Why.&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8220;Reporters Without Borders is an international non-governmental organization that aims at defending journalists and media assistants imprisoned or persecuted for doing their job and exposes the mistreatment and torture of them in many countries. It fights against censorship and laws that undermine press freedom, gives financial aid to journalists or media outlets in difficulty, as well to the families of imprisoned journalists, and works to improve the safety of journalists, especially those reporting in war zones.  Website: <a href="http://www.rsf.org/" rel="nofollow">http://www.rsf.org/</a>&#8221;</p>
<p>So how can kangaroo even sue those Reporters that are without any Border ? Anyway, Singapore can make history and cuckoo by suing RWB, and insist that suing take place in the tiny red dot with summary judgment as usual. After all, suing is done entirely using state money without accountability to citizens anyway. With each sue, our kangaroo reveals its tail little by little.</p>
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		<title>By: Aunt Sally</title>
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		<dc:creator>Aunt Sally</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Oct 2009 16:30:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If RwB&#039;s report is untrue or wrong then have RwB been sued already?

If not , tell me the Why.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If RwB&#8217;s report is untrue or wrong then have RwB been sued already?</p>
<p>If not , tell me the Why.</p>
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		<title>By: smallsound 858</title>
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		<dc:creator>smallsound 858</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Oct 2009 15:24:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;the credibility of this whole website will increasingly by called into question.&quot;

Frankly if it is left alone, yes if it is left alone, to grow without any interference, it will grow from strength to strength. So do not worry to much about its credibility, it should least bothers you as you are not going to lose a single bit.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;the credibility of this whole website will increasingly by called into question.&#8221;</p>
<p>Frankly if it is left alone, yes if it is left alone, to grow without any interference, it will grow from strength to strength. So do not worry to much about its credibility, it should least bothers you as you are not going to lose a single bit.</p>
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		<title>By: Singaporekid</title>
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		<dc:creator>Singaporekid</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Oct 2009 15:13:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;What I’m trying to do is not to side with PAP or anti-PAP forces, but to goad both sides to evolve to a higher level of debate. Only with such a development can Singapore nurture a new generation of politically-conscious citizens.&quot;

I salute your high mission in wanting &quot;to goad both sides to evolve to a higher level of debate.&quot;

Blah blah blah only with such a development can Singapore nurture a new generation of politically-conscious citizens. What a sterile goody-goody pretentious unwanted deed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;What I’m trying to do is not to side with PAP or anti-PAP forces, but to goad both sides to evolve to a higher level of debate. Only with such a development can Singapore nurture a new generation of politically-conscious citizens.&#8221;</p>
<p>I salute your high mission in wanting &#8220;to goad both sides to evolve to a higher level of debate.&#8221;</p>
<p>Blah blah blah only with such a development can Singapore nurture a new generation of politically-conscious citizens. What a sterile goody-goody pretentious unwanted deed.</p>
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		<title>By: JW</title>
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		<dc:creator>JW</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Oct 2009 10:08:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>smallvoice 585  #49

&quot;If TOC continues in its campaign to discredit the Government at every turn in the hope...What I’m trying to do is not to side with PAP or anti-PAP forces, but...&quot; 

The PAP has discredited itself by allowing (itself) to be dominated by one man and famiLEE.  The PAP government is wasting public money by having two irrelevant positions, MM and SM, and also by appointing a over-paid president who is like having a permanent hoilday. 

The PAP government can redeem itself if they allow for a non-SPH newspaper to function freely, non-PAP linked TV and radio stations to operate freely. 

In fact , it should be a notch lower because the PAP government does not even allow private satellite dishes to operate.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>smallvoice 585  #49</p>
<p>&#8220;If TOC continues in its campaign to discredit the Government at every turn in the hope&#8230;What I’m trying to do is not to side with PAP or anti-PAP forces, but&#8230;&#8221; </p>
<p>The PAP has discredited itself by allowing (itself) to be dominated by one man and famiLEE.  The PAP government is wasting public money by having two irrelevant positions, MM and SM, and also by appointing a over-paid president who is like having a permanent hoilday. </p>
<p>The PAP government can redeem itself if they allow for a non-SPH newspaper to function freely, non-PAP linked TV and radio stations to operate freely. </p>
<p>In fact , it should be a notch lower because the PAP government does not even allow private satellite dishes to operate.</p>
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		<title>By: smallvoice585</title>
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		<dc:creator>smallvoice585</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Oct 2009 07:38:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dear 34) singaporedaddy,

Yes, I like to bark at different trees because barking at the same tree all the time without any positive response is self-defeating, if not downright boring.

The PAP is the PAP.  They are the way they are.  Barking at them will not change them.  In fact, going by experience, in response, they will harden their position.  Anyway, they are but just one political option for Singapore out of potential many. 

We should not waste time and energy pointing out the many apparent inconsistencies in their position which are well known by now.  

If TOC continues in its campaign to discredit the Government at every turn in the hope that this will encourage people to vote against the PAP at the next GE, its wishful thinking will not bear fruit.  More likely, the credibility of this whole website will increasingly by called into question.  That would be a pity.

What I&#039;m trying to do is not to side with PAP or anti-PAP forces, but to goad both sides to evolve to a higher level of debate.  Only with such a development can Singapore nurture a new generation of politically-conscious citizens.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dear 34) singaporedaddy,</p>
<p>Yes, I like to bark at different trees because barking at the same tree all the time without any positive response is self-defeating, if not downright boring.</p>
<p>The PAP is the PAP.  They are the way they are.  Barking at them will not change them.  In fact, going by experience, in response, they will harden their position.  Anyway, they are but just one political option for Singapore out of potential many. </p>
<p>We should not waste time and energy pointing out the many apparent inconsistencies in their position which are well known by now.  </p>
<p>If TOC continues in its campaign to discredit the Government at every turn in the hope that this will encourage people to vote against the PAP at the next GE, its wishful thinking will not bear fruit.  More likely, the credibility of this whole website will increasingly by called into question.  That would be a pity.</p>
<p>What I&#8217;m trying to do is not to side with PAP or anti-PAP forces, but to goad both sides to evolve to a higher level of debate.  Only with such a development can Singapore nurture a new generation of politically-conscious citizens.</p>
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		<title>By: Beware and Be Awaken</title>
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		<dc:creator>Beware and Be Awaken</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Oct 2009 05:47:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The name/title &quot;Singaporeans for Free Speech and Transparency&quot; seems to be a misnomer to me; and its website of the same name/title seems to be a camouflage for just the opposite for all intents and purposes. That is how I feel about this website, which has just been put up recently, possibly by some agents of those in power or their party.

Take a close look and monitor it closely; see for yourselves and draw your own conclusions.

Netizens should be more aware of the Cyberwar being launched by certain powerful people against the commoners using the Internet as a platform to make themselves heard.

It is quite obvious to me that TOC is one of those that are being targeted, especially when articles and comments reveal the wrongs, hypocrisies or contradictions being perpetuated in our society by the people in power, their stooges or their armies of minions.

Therefore, readers should be more discerning and awaken to hidden agendas of certain websites and commentators. Read in between the lines!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The name/title &#8220;Singaporeans for Free Speech and Transparency&#8221; seems to be a misnomer to me; and its website of the same name/title seems to be a camouflage for just the opposite for all intents and purposes. That is how I feel about this website, which has just been put up recently, possibly by some agents of those in power or their party.</p>
<p>Take a close look and monitor it closely; see for yourselves and draw your own conclusions.</p>
<p>Netizens should be more aware of the Cyberwar being launched by certain powerful people against the commoners using the Internet as a platform to make themselves heard.</p>
<p>It is quite obvious to me that TOC is one of those that are being targeted, especially when articles and comments reveal the wrongs, hypocrisies or contradictions being perpetuated in our society by the people in power, their stooges or their armies of minions.</p>
<p>Therefore, readers should be more discerning and awaken to hidden agendas of certain websites and commentators. Read in between the lines!</p>
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		<title>By: Daniel</title>
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		<dc:creator>Daniel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Oct 2009 05:34:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Law Minister defeats “Reporters without Borders’” straw man&quot;

Such a strange title. Our clowns never defeat anyone, they just bulldoze their way through using highfalutin nonsense and twisted logic. 

A better title could be 
&quot;Law Minister versus “Reporters without Borders’” straw man&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Law Minister defeats “Reporters without Borders’” straw man&#8221;</p>
<p>Such a strange title. Our clowns never defeat anyone, they just bulldoze their way through using highfalutin nonsense and twisted logic. </p>
<p>A better title could be<br />
&#8220;Law Minister versus “Reporters without Borders’” straw man&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: LeeLL</title>
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		<dc:creator>LeeLL</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Oct 2009 05:29:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Its never a problem with this PAP Government.
Now that the people have detected the legal discrepancy.
They will soon convene Parliament and pass a law to make 
it legal for the advisers to do so.
And make it retrospective too!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Its never a problem with this PAP Government.<br />
Now that the people have detected the legal discrepancy.<br />
They will soon convene Parliament and pass a law to make<br />
it legal for the advisers to do so.<br />
And make it retrospective too!</p>
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		<title>By: Robox</title>
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		<dc:creator>Robox</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Oct 2009 04:35:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Re: &quot;The Law Minister must know that RwB judges every nation’s press freedom standards by the same measure – so how could he expect special “objective” treatment for Singapore? After all, Singapore was not ranked below Kenya and Congo in press freedoms this year without reason.&quot; - Pritam Singh

I believe that K Shamugam  - I wonder what the initial &quot;K&quot; in his name might stand for - actually did raise the case of Kenya and Haiti in New York in terms of how Singapore might have ranked in this survey.

But I ask this: did he, or the innumerable civil servants who carry out his research tasks while he takes credit for their work, actually take the pains to find if the media in Kenya and Haiti REPORT those rapes and other atrocities that occurred in the countries BEFORE railing about THEIR superior standings in the RSF report before whining in New York?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Re: &#8220;The Law Minister must know that RwB judges every nation’s press freedom standards by the same measure – so how could he expect special “objective” treatment for Singapore? After all, Singapore was not ranked below Kenya and Congo in press freedoms this year without reason.&#8221; &#8211; Pritam Singh</p>
<p>I believe that K Shamugam  &#8211; I wonder what the initial &#8220;K&#8221; in his name might stand for &#8211; actually did raise the case of Kenya and Haiti in New York in terms of how Singapore might have ranked in this survey.</p>
<p>But I ask this: did he, or the innumerable civil servants who carry out his research tasks while he takes credit for their work, actually take the pains to find if the media in Kenya and Haiti REPORT those rapes and other atrocities that occurred in the countries BEFORE railing about THEIR superior standings in the RSF report before whining in New York?</p>
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		<title>By: Donaldson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Donaldson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Oct 2009 02:40:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Robox,

Thanks for pointing out Melanie Kirpatrick of WSJ.


Cheers
Donald</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Robox,</p>
<p>Thanks for pointing out Melanie Kirpatrick of WSJ.</p>
<p>Cheers<br />
Donald</p>
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		<title>By: T</title>
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		<dc:creator>T</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Oct 2009 02:18:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Simple confusion of press freedom with economic freedom, prosperity and safety. The question is - what is the reason and cause for this obfuscation?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Simple confusion of press freedom with economic freedom, prosperity and safety. The question is &#8211; what is the reason and cause for this obfuscation?</p>
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		<title>By: Robox</title>
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		<dc:creator>Robox</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Oct 2009 02:05:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes. Donaldson @ #35 is right. The rankings have always been about media *openess* from the outset, and this can very readily be discerned from the criteria used as posted by Agatha.

Additionally, the RSF rankings have only become a feature in Singapore&#039;s political landscape only in the last few years. (I don&#039;t know as yet if they had actually been doing this for much longer.) But Singaporeans ourselves have been railing against the lack of openess for much longer. RSF is only confirming what Singaporeans have always known: we don&#039;t have much to crow about in the department of free speech/expression and the free flow of information in our publicly funded institutions such as the media.

However, there is one point that Donaldson raised that I disagree with:

Re: &quot;Anyway, from 1 Sep 2008 to 1 Sep 2009, our dear government did not initiate any law suit against any journalists. This is a big factor why our press freedom ranking improved to 133rd.&quot;

Melanie Kirpatrick of WSJ was sued earlier this year.

But I would attribute the improved standings to the *pressure* exerted by the openess in the centrist media online such aas this one. So many things would have gone unreported if not for the centrist media online first reporting them right down to the language of openess.

This is actually a salute to the centrist media establishment online.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes. Donaldson @ #35 is right. The rankings have always been about media *openess* from the outset, and this can very readily be discerned from the criteria used as posted by Agatha.</p>
<p>Additionally, the RSF rankings have only become a feature in Singapore&#8217;s political landscape only in the last few years. (I don&#8217;t know as yet if they had actually been doing this for much longer.) But Singaporeans ourselves have been railing against the lack of openess for much longer. RSF is only confirming what Singaporeans have always known: we don&#8217;t have much to crow about in the department of free speech/expression and the free flow of information in our publicly funded institutions such as the media.</p>
<p>However, there is one point that Donaldson raised that I disagree with:</p>
<p>Re: &#8220;Anyway, from 1 Sep 2008 to 1 Sep 2009, our dear government did not initiate any law suit against any journalists. This is a big factor why our press freedom ranking improved to 133rd.&#8221;</p>
<p>Melanie Kirpatrick of WSJ was sued earlier this year.</p>
<p>But I would attribute the improved standings to the *pressure* exerted by the openess in the centrist media online such aas this one. So many things would have gone unreported if not for the centrist media online first reporting them right down to the language of openess.</p>
<p>This is actually a salute to the centrist media establishment online.</p>
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		<title>By: stupid</title>
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		<dc:creator>stupid</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Oct 2009 01:45:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>fair? it is joy from singapore</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>fair? it is joy from singapore</p>
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		<title>By: Terrified</title>
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		<dc:creator>Terrified</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Oct 2009 01:39:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Shanmugam is in no position to query and doubt the ranking did by Reporters wtihout Border. His voice is not representative of Singaporean voices.  Thus, as a PAP members whose party owned the MSM, he should just &quot;SHUT UP AND SIT DOWN&quot; instead of causing embarassing to Singaporeans.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Shanmugam is in no position to query and doubt the ranking did by Reporters wtihout Border. His voice is not representative of Singaporean voices.  Thus, as a PAP members whose party owned the MSM, he should just &#8220;SHUT UP AND SIT DOWN&#8221; instead of causing embarassing to Singaporeans.</p>
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