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		<title>By: protestant</title>
		<link>http://theonlinecitizen.com/2009/10/new-citizens-outstripping-net-increase-of-existing-citizens/comment-page-2/#comment-113023</link>
		<dc:creator>protestant</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 31 Oct 2009 07:38:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I read that PAP wanted to control votes. Hence increase immigrants will get them more votes. U know better pay than what they have in China. Yeah. Dirty tricks.
Is time to kill someone.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I read that PAP wanted to control votes. Hence increase immigrants will get them more votes. U know better pay than what they have in China. Yeah. Dirty tricks.<br />
Is time to kill someone.</p>
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		<title>By: protestant</title>
		<link>http://theonlinecitizen.com/2009/10/new-citizens-outstripping-net-increase-of-existing-citizens/comment-page-2/#comment-113021</link>
		<dc:creator>protestant</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 31 Oct 2009 07:18:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Kill. the immigrants and those who bring them in. Is becoming pest to our nation.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kill. the immigrants and those who bring them in. Is becoming pest to our nation.</p>
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		<title>By: SS Stirrer</title>
		<link>http://theonlinecitizen.com/2009/10/new-citizens-outstripping-net-increase-of-existing-citizens/comment-page-2/#comment-112192</link>
		<dc:creator>SS Stirrer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Oct 2009 23:02:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>guys

i read lots of blogs and a lot of us are asking what is the govt going to do about the situation where locals are losing jobs and foreigners are coming in to replace them.

The reality is -- the govt is NOT going to do anything. they are the cause of the problem.  YOU have to do something about it yourself</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>guys</p>
<p>i read lots of blogs and a lot of us are asking what is the govt going to do about the situation where locals are losing jobs and foreigners are coming in to replace them.</p>
<p>The reality is &#8212; the govt is NOT going to do anything. they are the cause of the problem.  YOU have to do something about it yourself</p>
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		<title>By: SS Stirrer</title>
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		<dc:creator>SS Stirrer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Oct 2009 22:38:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To George (post #1)

The question is not what is the Govt going to do about it.  The question should be :  What are YOU going to do about it ?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To George (post #1)</p>
<p>The question is not what is the Govt going to do about it.  The question should be :  What are YOU going to do about it ?</p>
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		<title>By: Uproar</title>
		<link>http://theonlinecitizen.com/2009/10/new-citizens-outstripping-net-increase-of-existing-citizens/comment-page-2/#comment-111187</link>
		<dc:creator>Uproar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 Oct 2009 08:40:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>At the point when we&#039;re having one of our worst economy crisis, our jobs loses are in its worst shape but the PRs and new citizen had increased even at a faster rate. 

Plainly, it shows the government has no concern for the common Singaporean.

We need a change of government.... It&#039;s now or never!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>At the point when we&#8217;re having one of our worst economy crisis, our jobs loses are in its worst shape but the PRs and new citizen had increased even at a faster rate. </p>
<p>Plainly, it shows the government has no concern for the common Singaporean.</p>
<p>We need a change of government&#8230;. It&#8217;s now or never!</p>
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		<title>By: complain</title>
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		<dc:creator>complain</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Oct 2009 12:42:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>They are trying to control the vote so that they always win. 
It might back fire now bcos of Internet. People in this country must know their dirty tricks. If not, we will all be history.
I c 2 many jobless Singaporean now, yet the immigrants are the one that get employed.
This is really sad.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>They are trying to control the vote so that they always win.<br />
It might back fire now bcos of Internet. People in this country must know their dirty tricks. If not, we will all be history.<br />
I c 2 many jobless Singaporean now, yet the immigrants are the one that get employed.<br />
This is really sad.</p>
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		<title>By: death upon mankind</title>
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		<dc:creator>death upon mankind</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Oct 2009 22:40:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>govt. is not the people, they will never know why birth rate so low. and by the way, how do we know the real reason for this high influx of foreigners. low birth rate could just be an excuse</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>govt. is not the people, they will never know why birth rate so low. and by the way, how do we know the real reason for this high influx of foreigners. low birth rate could just be an excuse</p>
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		<title>By: DuraiKiller</title>
		<link>http://theonlinecitizen.com/2009/10/new-citizens-outstripping-net-increase-of-existing-citizens/comment-page-2/#comment-110087</link>
		<dc:creator>DuraiKiller</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Oct 2009 06:16:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>show them our frustration!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>show them our frustration!</p>
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		<title>By: DuraiKiller</title>
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		<dc:creator>DuraiKiller</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Oct 2009 06:16:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Why wait? show them our frustration!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why wait? show them our frustration!</p>
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		<title>By: Surprise</title>
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		<dc:creator>Surprise</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Oct 2009 11:38:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Woner is our exiting PAP system same as those of Japan . In short it pass on from one generation of Minister to their related . 

Anyonce could name or reply the existing MP, Miniters relations in the current PAP government. 

Heard this is the tree  ----------- LKY , GCT, Tony Tan, Yeo Ning Hong (Ex minister /PSA Chairman), Now Defence Minister Mr Teo are all realted . Just wondering how many of their related are sitting at the GIC and related bodies. 

Why the Chairman of the new civil aviation institute are appointed. In short everyone need to apply for a post of job but many dont need to for special VIP. 

There go for Temasik too. More to name if you know ????? Highly questionable style of management . 

Employer ask do you have experience and skills . What skills do you need ????</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Woner is our exiting PAP system same as those of Japan . In short it pass on from one generation of Minister to their related . </p>
<p>Anyonce could name or reply the existing MP, Miniters relations in the current PAP government. </p>
<p>Heard this is the tree  &#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8211; LKY , GCT, Tony Tan, Yeo Ning Hong (Ex minister /PSA Chairman), Now Defence Minister Mr Teo are all realted . Just wondering how many of their related are sitting at the GIC and related bodies. </p>
<p>Why the Chairman of the new civil aviation institute are appointed. In short everyone need to apply for a post of job but many dont need to for special VIP. </p>
<p>There go for Temasik too. More to name if you know ????? Highly questionable style of management . </p>
<p>Employer ask do you have experience and skills . What skills do you need ????</p>
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		<title>By: Surprise</title>
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		<dc:creator>Surprise</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Oct 2009 11:24:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Whatever is it . Key is DARE TO CHANGE AND GO FOR THE CHANGE &#039;&quot; . vOte them out totally and tet the new selected govt , if any and see what their policies are and how they tackle the problems (micro and macro economics issues). 

Afterall PAP style is external factors and we cannot do much if the economy not doing well . But getting the World highet paid. Make no difference to us who is governing at the end of the day. 

Reality issue - Many graduate , under 40&#039;s no jobs are blue Singaporean. Asking them what the givernment is doing or what they can do . Key is not this grioup of people are relying on the govt. Key is their task to be able to foresee, anticipate and make changes to keep the employment market competitive , relevant to the new entrance as well as for existing employees. 

Even with 4.99 million population . Key has it help the local economy and revitalise it . In what ways ???? Or it cost more hardship with this growing FT, PR that is taking away the local jobs. All claimed are talent  ??? . 

Ou education system is the best in the World . Yet we are not able to create the World Class Talent . Highly questionable. With more students coming in the educational hub is like a commercial hub to the government. Worse is yet to come and more will be staying to take Blue Singaporean rice bowl and university education. 

Local without jobs are virtually not able to afford the high education cost. This is a visious circle that wa happening during the 70&#039;s and 80&#039;s . Local are denied a University Education with the shutting of Nayang University and able blue Singapore talent ( rich go abroad), average stay and poor stuck without a unversity education. Now got wings cannot fly due to lack of the university education. 

Vote them out ..and have a better life . Move ahead and move along to a New World. 

DARE TO CHANGE AND GO FOR THE CHANGE . 

Civil servants are not allowed to hold two jobs. But PAP Ministers , MP are aloowed to hold many corporate appointments (getting director&#039;s fee) and yet running their own business. Is this the talent or the time evotion to the community. And the world highet paid too.  anything that benefits them is acceptable. 

Legalise Earning = Free Corruption and above all . 

Illegalise Earning = Corruption ? ? or Illegal Earnings  or Against the Rules of Law.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Whatever is it . Key is DARE TO CHANGE AND GO FOR THE CHANGE &#8216;&#8221; . vOte them out totally and tet the new selected govt , if any and see what their policies are and how they tackle the problems (micro and macro economics issues). </p>
<p>Afterall PAP style is external factors and we cannot do much if the economy not doing well . But getting the World highet paid. Make no difference to us who is governing at the end of the day. </p>
<p>Reality issue &#8211; Many graduate , under 40&#8242;s no jobs are blue Singaporean. Asking them what the givernment is doing or what they can do . Key is not this grioup of people are relying on the govt. Key is their task to be able to foresee, anticipate and make changes to keep the employment market competitive , relevant to the new entrance as well as for existing employees. </p>
<p>Even with 4.99 million population . Key has it help the local economy and revitalise it . In what ways ???? Or it cost more hardship with this growing FT, PR that is taking away the local jobs. All claimed are talent  ??? . </p>
<p>Ou education system is the best in the World . Yet we are not able to create the World Class Talent . Highly questionable. With more students coming in the educational hub is like a commercial hub to the government. Worse is yet to come and more will be staying to take Blue Singaporean rice bowl and university education. </p>
<p>Local without jobs are virtually not able to afford the high education cost. This is a visious circle that wa happening during the 70&#8242;s and 80&#8242;s . Local are denied a University Education with the shutting of Nayang University and able blue Singapore talent ( rich go abroad), average stay and poor stuck without a unversity education. Now got wings cannot fly due to lack of the university education. </p>
<p>Vote them out ..and have a better life . Move ahead and move along to a New World. </p>
<p>DARE TO CHANGE AND GO FOR THE CHANGE . </p>
<p>Civil servants are not allowed to hold two jobs. But PAP Ministers , MP are aloowed to hold many corporate appointments (getting director&#8217;s fee) and yet running their own business. Is this the talent or the time evotion to the community. And the world highet paid too.  anything that benefits them is acceptable. </p>
<p>Legalise Earning = Free Corruption and above all . </p>
<p>Illegalise Earning = Corruption ? ? or Illegal Earnings  or Against the Rules of Law.</p>
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		<title>By: kpsg</title>
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		<dc:creator>kpsg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Oct 2009 18:52:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>our government sucks, i no longer even watch the national day parade, its time to vote pap out of office. we cant drive the PRs &amp; FTs away, but we can drive some of the MPs out of their seats</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>our government sucks, i no longer even watch the national day parade, its time to vote pap out of office. we cant drive the PRs &amp; FTs away, but we can drive some of the MPs out of their seats</p>
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		<title>By: ILoveHarry</title>
		<link>http://theonlinecitizen.com/2009/10/new-citizens-outstripping-net-increase-of-existing-citizens/comment-page-2/#comment-109163</link>
		<dc:creator>ILoveHarry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Oct 2009 15:58:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It seems as if PAP is bringing in many foreigners to our &#039;Noah&#039;s Ark&#039; which is already cramped enough and granting them citizenship or even PR in a period of less than 10 yrs (used to be the SOP).  As a first generation of Singaporean (my parents are from M&#039;sia), who have been born and bred and indoctrinated into Singapore life, I find it disturbing. I wonder why are we giving space to ingrates, especially those people from China. They are rude, uncouth and they like to shout at our counter staff as though they are the owners of Singapore. They always claim Singaporeans &#039;bully&#039; them and &#039;take advantage&#039; of them. So damn untrue. We Singaporeans are the bochap type of people who may be uncomfortable with much foreign presence but we have the dignity to keep our feelings to ourself. You think that with these unreasonable people, Singapore govt may out them in no time but NO, we have to keep them and bow down to them cause China is a rising power and so if they cr*p on us, we have to swallow it.

To quote roughly what the Australian PM Kevin Rudd said: &quot;If you don&#039;t like the country, LEAVE. Nobody&#039;s forcing you to stay and you can go whenever you want. Just don&#039;t change whatever culture or lifestyle that is already embedded in Australia.&quot;

This is what our govt should do, but did they do it, NO! They only seem to quiver to the presence of China people which i fail to understand. Why is our MM who has been praised as fearless in challenging British authority and subsequently, communist threats, do nothing in the presence of increasing China population. Has he become from a warrior from defeating a communist tiger to become a mouse?

Cont&#039;d with my grouse with increasing number of foreigners, our unis. Our local unis seems to reject locals but bring in more foreigners. Even a uni student commented when he entered the lecture hall, he seems to see many foreigners in the LT. Why is it that Singapore men have to waste two yrs of their life serving NS and defending the nation from threats, only to come back to civilian life and  find out that his place in uni is not even secure and is probably taken up by a foreigner who don&#039;t serve NS/ don&#039;t pay IRAS any cent? Is this justice to the blood, toil and sweat offered by our brave NS men?

And lastly, why are maids always allowed to escape death penalty whenever they commit a murder? While our Singaporean employers are always fined/jailed for the slightest mishap to our maids? This is nothing more than  PAP bending their backs to please our foreign friends cause in PAP&#039;s eyes, Foreigner first, locals second. Is this what you have been working for?

Before you blast my parents being one of those foreigners, I shall just drop a few facts. My parents came in the 1970s, when the international world taught Singapore got no hope, and worked hard to provide decent housings for me. They pay taxes, appreciates the Singapore lifestyle and is already Singaporeanized. Least, they never even complained once.

I&#039;m not surprised if Singapore will join China as the next province if they don&#039;t stem the flow.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It seems as if PAP is bringing in many foreigners to our &#8216;Noah&#8217;s Ark&#8217; which is already cramped enough and granting them citizenship or even PR in a period of less than 10 yrs (used to be the SOP).  As a first generation of Singaporean (my parents are from M&#8217;sia), who have been born and bred and indoctrinated into Singapore life, I find it disturbing. I wonder why are we giving space to ingrates, especially those people from China. They are rude, uncouth and they like to shout at our counter staff as though they are the owners of Singapore. They always claim Singaporeans &#8216;bully&#8217; them and &#8216;take advantage&#8217; of them. So damn untrue. We Singaporeans are the bochap type of people who may be uncomfortable with much foreign presence but we have the dignity to keep our feelings to ourself. You think that with these unreasonable people, Singapore govt may out them in no time but NO, we have to keep them and bow down to them cause China is a rising power and so if they cr*p on us, we have to swallow it.</p>
<p>To quote roughly what the Australian PM Kevin Rudd said: &#8220;If you don&#8217;t like the country, LEAVE. Nobody&#8217;s forcing you to stay and you can go whenever you want. Just don&#8217;t change whatever culture or lifestyle that is already embedded in Australia.&#8221;</p>
<p>This is what our govt should do, but did they do it, NO! They only seem to quiver to the presence of China people which i fail to understand. Why is our MM who has been praised as fearless in challenging British authority and subsequently, communist threats, do nothing in the presence of increasing China population. Has he become from a warrior from defeating a communist tiger to become a mouse?</p>
<p>Cont&#8217;d with my grouse with increasing number of foreigners, our unis. Our local unis seems to reject locals but bring in more foreigners. Even a uni student commented when he entered the lecture hall, he seems to see many foreigners in the LT. Why is it that Singapore men have to waste two yrs of their life serving NS and defending the nation from threats, only to come back to civilian life and  find out that his place in uni is not even secure and is probably taken up by a foreigner who don&#8217;t serve NS/ don&#8217;t pay IRAS any cent? Is this justice to the blood, toil and sweat offered by our brave NS men?</p>
<p>And lastly, why are maids always allowed to escape death penalty whenever they commit a murder? While our Singaporean employers are always fined/jailed for the slightest mishap to our maids? This is nothing more than  PAP bending their backs to please our foreign friends cause in PAP&#8217;s eyes, Foreigner first, locals second. Is this what you have been working for?</p>
<p>Before you blast my parents being one of those foreigners, I shall just drop a few facts. My parents came in the 1970s, when the international world taught Singapore got no hope, and worked hard to provide decent housings for me. They pay taxes, appreciates the Singapore lifestyle and is already Singaporeanized. Least, they never even complained once.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not surprised if Singapore will join China as the next province if they don&#8217;t stem the flow.</p>
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		<title>By: ILoveHarry</title>
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		<dc:creator>ILoveHarry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Oct 2009 15:35:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It seems as if PAP is bringing in many foreigners to our &#039;Noah&#039;s Ark&#039; which is already cramped enough and granting them citizenship or even PR in a period</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It seems as if PAP is bringing in many foreigners to our &#8216;Noah&#8217;s Ark&#8217; which is already cramped enough and granting them citizenship or even PR in a period</p>
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		<title>By: Lionbred</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lionbred</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Oct 2009 04:00:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Scrap N.S and reservist training, there would be less resentment against foreigners and there will be a more level playing field. Employers find reservist call ups burdensome and this puts singapore male citizens at a disadvantage!  They prefer P.Rs and foreigners.  Why should singapore male citizens sacrifice 2 years of their lives before getting real jobs when anybody can just walk, drive or fly in and get one. Will LHL ever address this question? Patriotism is a 2 way street. The government should not expect citizens to just give and give and get peanuts in return!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Scrap N.S and reservist training, there would be less resentment against foreigners and there will be a more level playing field. Employers find reservist call ups burdensome and this puts singapore male citizens at a disadvantage!  They prefer P.Rs and foreigners.  Why should singapore male citizens sacrifice 2 years of their lives before getting real jobs when anybody can just walk, drive or fly in and get one. Will LHL ever address this question? Patriotism is a 2 way street. The government should not expect citizens to just give and give and get peanuts in return!</p>
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		<title>By: Old, Jobless And Poor</title>
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		<dc:creator>Old, Jobless And Poor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Oct 2009 07:26:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>New (instant) citizens get instant benefits, e.g. baby bonus, GST credit etc etc etc  just like local born citizens.  We suckers have toiled for years paid our taxes, done NS, or at least our children have done NS or will be doing NS, yet we get the same benefits as new citizens who may not have paid any taxes at all. Maybe only the highly qualified professionals have paid some taxes. I wonder what sort of immigration is this. Indeed, soon local born Sporeans will be the minority. The majority will be the PRs and new citizens. Sporeans should wake up now and start thinking what will happen to us and our children and future generations if the floodgate remains open forever. There must be some sort of a quota system to stamp the free flow of intakes.  The floodgates cannot be opened forever.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>New (instant) citizens get instant benefits, e.g. baby bonus, GST credit etc etc etc  just like local born citizens.  We suckers have toiled for years paid our taxes, done NS, or at least our children have done NS or will be doing NS, yet we get the same benefits as new citizens who may not have paid any taxes at all. Maybe only the highly qualified professionals have paid some taxes. I wonder what sort of immigration is this. Indeed, soon local born Sporeans will be the minority. The majority will be the PRs and new citizens. Sporeans should wake up now and start thinking what will happen to us and our children and future generations if the floodgate remains open forever. There must be some sort of a quota system to stamp the free flow of intakes.  The floodgates cannot be opened forever.</p>
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		<title>By: Big Brain</title>
		<link>http://theonlinecitizen.com/2009/10/new-citizens-outstripping-net-increase-of-existing-citizens/comment-page-2/#comment-108734</link>
		<dc:creator>Big Brain</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Oct 2009 17:14:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Many parents are talking about going to a greener land to call home for the sake of their children&#039;s better future. Unless their children are prepare to work long hours and get paid like a foreigners. My suggestion to them is why must we as parents go away from our mother land for the sake of our childrens&#039; future, why not we vote out the bunch of greedy million $$ minister instead. Yes, make use of of rights to vote, vote out the bunch of greedy million $$$ minister. Fear no more, stay put in our mother land, vote out the greedy million $$$ minister. PAP we don&#039;t like and need you anymore, get lost PAP, get lost for the sake of our childrens&#039; future.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Many parents are talking about going to a greener land to call home for the sake of their children&#8217;s better future. Unless their children are prepare to work long hours and get paid like a foreigners. My suggestion to them is why must we as parents go away from our mother land for the sake of our childrens&#8217; future, why not we vote out the bunch of greedy million $$ minister instead. Yes, make use of of rights to vote, vote out the bunch of greedy million $$$ minister. Fear no more, stay put in our mother land, vote out the greedy million $$$ minister. PAP we don&#8217;t like and need you anymore, get lost PAP, get lost for the sake of our childrens&#8217; future.</p>
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		<title>By: where is the zero</title>
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		<dc:creator>where is the zero</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Oct 2009 12:07:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;You suggested more free private media, more competition, Ok why not? Go ahead, I am with you. For the purpose of this post, let us not digress.&quot;

you did mention Quan Yifeng, Guoliang and Li Guohuang and about competition. my follow up on having more freer media just came out naturally (too tempting an example for anyone to have missed it). in our dear country, it is not difficult to find many other examples. call it digression if it suits you but I find it appropriate to zero in onto a bigger problem rather than picking (blaming) on lesser mortals who can only make noise and complaints. What else can most of us do, protest and then get &quot;whacked&quot; ?? I am a law-abiding citizen (sarcasm intended). 

&quot;Laugh at life. Don’t complain, do your best and seize all opportunities instead of hide in a shell to protect yourself from competition These two – they have character – they are worthy of emulation. The fittest will always survive., somehow It is the sub mediocre that clamour for protection&quot;

&quot;To some extent, out of charity perhaps, I agree that the government should provide some protection, but it is not in the total interest of the country if carried to the extreme. .&quot;

Thank you for telling me. carried to the extreme ? mind you, this is singapore. I hope you are not getting the order of &quot;blame&quot; mixed up. 

&quot;As for singlish, i wish it is as simple as adding a lah to otherwise grammatical correct sentences lah. Singlish is more than that. It constructs sentences based on chinese sentence structure. Verbs and nounts are swopped in position sometimes, many many other incorrect constructs, it is obvious. Fact is, parents baby talk in completely broken grammar translated from chinese sentence constructs. Parents hear wrong constructs of children, and leave it uncorrected. It makes my hair stand.&quot;

spoken language evolves due to many factors (there will be no end to hair splitting on details). this site http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_dialects_of_the_English_language on english alone may awaken you a little bit.

fact is some parents may not be as good as you and at least they are not shameful to speak out in a language as best as they can. else would&#039;nt it be easier for them to just communicate in their own dialects.

&quot;If we have to learn something DO IT WELL and do not vindicate our errors and omissions – that is the biggest problem with Singlish proponents.&quot;

you and me do not make the rules. english spoken here (singlish) will keep on evolving in its own way and will much influenced by the net collective mix of all the people here (even more so with so many different people coming from many different countries and having different level of english language proficiency - let alone their own native languages - among the many different age groups) - very much as someone may like to control. 

the invisible hand of some unforeseen &amp; unplanned force will always throw you with surprises and it tends to be swept under the carpet lest it bares for all to see the failure of some grand planning. Did we not have english as our 1st language and speak mandarin campaign.

&quot;The influx of foreign mainland immigrants will improve chinese singaporeans, speech habits in the long term.&quot;

For any matter, the different cultures (not just because we may have the same skin color) may prevent the necessary &amp; critical direct integration  (genuine &amp; not those announced loudly in the media just for the sake of visibility that something is being done) for the so-called good speech habits to be imparted.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;You suggested more free private media, more competition, Ok why not? Go ahead, I am with you. For the purpose of this post, let us not digress.&#8221;</p>
<p>you did mention Quan Yifeng, Guoliang and Li Guohuang and about competition. my follow up on having more freer media just came out naturally (too tempting an example for anyone to have missed it). in our dear country, it is not difficult to find many other examples. call it digression if it suits you but I find it appropriate to zero in onto a bigger problem rather than picking (blaming) on lesser mortals who can only make noise and complaints. What else can most of us do, protest and then get &#8220;whacked&#8221; ?? I am a law-abiding citizen (sarcasm intended). </p>
<p>&#8220;Laugh at life. Don’t complain, do your best and seize all opportunities instead of hide in a shell to protect yourself from competition These two – they have character – they are worthy of emulation. The fittest will always survive., somehow It is the sub mediocre that clamour for protection&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8220;To some extent, out of charity perhaps, I agree that the government should provide some protection, but it is not in the total interest of the country if carried to the extreme. .&#8221;</p>
<p>Thank you for telling me. carried to the extreme ? mind you, this is singapore. I hope you are not getting the order of &#8220;blame&#8221; mixed up. </p>
<p>&#8220;As for singlish, i wish it is as simple as adding a lah to otherwise grammatical correct sentences lah. Singlish is more than that. It constructs sentences based on chinese sentence structure. Verbs and nounts are swopped in position sometimes, many many other incorrect constructs, it is obvious. Fact is, parents baby talk in completely broken grammar translated from chinese sentence constructs. Parents hear wrong constructs of children, and leave it uncorrected. It makes my hair stand.&#8221;</p>
<p>spoken language evolves due to many factors (there will be no end to hair splitting on details). this site <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_dialects_of_the_English_language" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_dialects_of_the_English_language</a> on english alone may awaken you a little bit.</p>
<p>fact is some parents may not be as good as you and at least they are not shameful to speak out in a language as best as they can. else would&#8217;nt it be easier for them to just communicate in their own dialects.</p>
<p>&#8220;If we have to learn something DO IT WELL and do not vindicate our errors and omissions – that is the biggest problem with Singlish proponents.&#8221;</p>
<p>you and me do not make the rules. english spoken here (singlish) will keep on evolving in its own way and will much influenced by the net collective mix of all the people here (even more so with so many different people coming from many different countries and having different level of english language proficiency &#8211; let alone their own native languages &#8211; among the many different age groups) &#8211; very much as someone may like to control. </p>
<p>the invisible hand of some unforeseen &amp; unplanned force will always throw you with surprises and it tends to be swept under the carpet lest it bares for all to see the failure of some grand planning. Did we not have english as our 1st language and speak mandarin campaign.</p>
<p>&#8220;The influx of foreign mainland immigrants will improve chinese singaporeans, speech habits in the long term.&#8221;</p>
<p>For any matter, the different cultures (not just because we may have the same skin color) may prevent the necessary &amp; critical direct integration  (genuine &amp; not those announced loudly in the media just for the sake of visibility that something is being done) for the so-called good speech habits to be imparted.</p>
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		<title>By: sturmtruppen</title>
		<link>http://theonlinecitizen.com/2009/10/new-citizens-outstripping-net-increase-of-existing-citizens/comment-page-2/#comment-108556</link>
		<dc:creator>sturmtruppen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Oct 2009 03:33:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Zero,

thanks for the clarification.

I too agree with your view point that we should allow foreigners who can contribute to singapore in.

The current policy by the gov&#039;t to grab everybody they can grab at the expense of local citizens is ridiculious....

paying &quot;foreign talent&quot; students from china/india/etc education at the expense of our local kids....or giving out PRs like water.....allowing PRs with sibling to buy HDB flats but NOT over 35 years old....etc etc...

I believe PAP no longer work for the common local citizens anymore...and the gov&#039;t is no longer a gov&#039;t but a bunch of technocrats, over-studious scholars and etc....the gov&#039;t has became a board of directors and upper management where the bottom-lines and theirs positions comes first always....to the detriment to Singapore and its citizens.

It is so sad.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Zero,</p>
<p>thanks for the clarification.</p>
<p>I too agree with your view point that we should allow foreigners who can contribute to singapore in.</p>
<p>The current policy by the gov&#8217;t to grab everybody they can grab at the expense of local citizens is ridiculious&#8230;.</p>
<p>paying &#8220;foreign talent&#8221; students from china/india/etc education at the expense of our local kids&#8230;.or giving out PRs like water&#8230;..allowing PRs with sibling to buy HDB flats but NOT over 35 years old&#8230;.etc etc&#8230;</p>
<p>I believe PAP no longer work for the common local citizens anymore&#8230;and the gov&#8217;t is no longer a gov&#8217;t but a bunch of technocrats, over-studious scholars and etc&#8230;.the gov&#8217;t has became a board of directors and upper management where the bottom-lines and theirs positions comes first always&#8230;.to the detriment to Singapore and its citizens.</p>
<p>It is so sad.</p>
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		<title>By: Hades</title>
		<link>http://theonlinecitizen.com/2009/10/new-citizens-outstripping-net-increase-of-existing-citizens/comment-page-2/#comment-108515</link>
		<dc:creator>Hades</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Oct 2009 01:16:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So many posters here claim to be &quot;Singaporean&quot; and yet use terms like &quot;Sinkapore&quot;, &quot;Sillypore&quot;, etc.. Way to show love for your country, people! Remember, PAP is not Singapore, and Singapore is not PAP. Your anger at the PAP may be justified but by slighting the name of our country you&#039;re proving once and for all that PAP = Singapore.

As for all this hoopla about foreign talent, some of the comments people make almost makes me think that the PAP are the good guys, while the average Singaporean is a xenophobic, angry, whining layabout! I know this is not the case but really, if you glance at Sammyboy&#039;s unmoderated fora, the hatred for people from other countries and races is scary, and it is not a fringe population either. Are people aware how unnerving those comments get for people who come here with a desire to set up home and become new citizens or even those Singaporeans from the minority races? Who do you think they will vote for in every election because of the hatred? The MIW of course!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So many posters here claim to be &#8220;Singaporean&#8221; and yet use terms like &#8220;Sinkapore&#8221;, &#8220;Sillypore&#8221;, etc.. Way to show love for your country, people! Remember, PAP is not Singapore, and Singapore is not PAP. Your anger at the PAP may be justified but by slighting the name of our country you&#8217;re proving once and for all that PAP = Singapore.</p>
<p>As for all this hoopla about foreign talent, some of the comments people make almost makes me think that the PAP are the good guys, while the average Singaporean is a xenophobic, angry, whining layabout! I know this is not the case but really, if you glance at Sammyboy&#8217;s unmoderated fora, the hatred for people from other countries and races is scary, and it is not a fringe population either. Are people aware how unnerving those comments get for people who come here with a desire to set up home and become new citizens or even those Singaporeans from the minority races? Who do you think they will vote for in every election because of the hatred? The MIW of course!</p>
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