How are you all? May I begin by first offering my profuse apologies for the delay in replying (is this the place to even have such a conversation Memphisto?). You and the other tribes should remain calm – please understand we have always valued your friendship, as we do with TR; you could say friendship is the only thing that really matters to us; without friendship, there is no community; without community, there can be no fellowship and without fellowship there can be no such thing as peace and without peace; we can never prosper – do we understand each other?

You on the other hand must also understand there are limits to what we can realistic achieve here; we will certainly try to reason with them; but the time is not right; but always remember we have no right to stop people from saying this or that in the internet; but we can ALL certainly choose how we may wish to react to all these strange developments to draw either an intelligent or stupid conclusion.

To me the only thing that matters is the four houses of the guilds have all agreed unanimously after numerous discussions with us that there was NEVER any DDos attack on temasek review – why did TR represent otherwise? Irrelevant. What is their motivation? Irrelevant. Is SPH or TR telling the truth? Irrelevant again – we don’t go into other peoples houses uninvited and tell them how to run their household.

As I said, the only thing that matters to us is the copper gilded certainty that there was never any DDos attack on TR; it never even happened so much as once – so everything is as it should be – my friends let me try to put it into perspective, if the guilds are not losing any sleep over this matter and they have much more to lose – why are the rest of you so restless?

SD

SD how many people do you think are here. Silently watching and thinking what I am thinking right now?

http://www.temasekreview.com/2009/10/31/temasek-review-site-down-by-another-massive-ddos-attack/comment-page-4/

Today we all still in the dark! We dont even know whether there was actually a DOSS attack. Or even who launched it. If there wasnt a DOSS attack why was this elaborate cry wolf story hatched. Most worrying, we do not know whether it is safe to continue sinking money, time and resources into a place that is so uncertain and fraught with dangers.

More should have been done by the tribal elders to bring TR to account for their actions. Much more.

TR’s been giving brash replies to commenters and even censoring some comments. I guess they’ve recently stirred some hornet’s nest everywhere (they seriously need more editorial oversight than shooting articles off-the-cuff) and that made them paranoid thinking everyone is their enemy.

Obviously, TR is a fierce advocate of free speech. And among that, voicing doubts is the basis of checks and balance. This works both ways. You comment about people, people also comment about you. If TR really honour their conviction to this, they should also learn to manage it in a civil detached way.

In his latest reply to me, the admin questions why they should even answer to anonymous posters ( that’s me =) ) who doubt their version of truth. Then I answer – TR’s open letter to SPH is also anonymous. In fact, TR is not even a legal entity, whereas Geoffrey is a real person. TR has put his picture within their sights on their homepage. So, you see: TR – anonymous poster with no legal identity; while Geoffrey – real-life person with picture splashed openly on their site. That answers TR’s own question.

I find TR admin overly emotional. Comments on a site like TR are to be expected since the articles are so lop-sided. He needs to be civil and open, even under duress. He’s representing not just himself. If that can be, what need has he to censor free speech which is against his principle? To hide the truth? To project a squeaky picture with no blots?

Anyway, I miss wayang. I quit TR.

As such, this should be settled in China courts.

But i would prefer in internation court or the Hague.

hahaha

Or should TR just accept their expanation without asking for solid evidence that proves beyond reasonable doubt?

I don’t see the wisdom of raising this matter in either TRs or SPHs blog – and there is a very simple reason why; there currently exist 147 definitions of what is and is not a DDOS attack; and if one even includes both inbound and outbound DDOS attacks; the number of interpretations is multiplied significantly – even the best subject matter experts in this area remain divided on what is and is not a DDOS attack.

So it’s conceivable; both TR and SPH may not even be using the same terms of reference to discuss this matter. I really don’t see this as something that can be resolved by simply revealing info concerning server logs; if anything it will only confuse the vast majority of readers as they do not have either the inclination or knowledge (including myself) to make an informed decision concerning this matter.

Our concern is strategic; that is to say; we do not believe the internet is an effective platform to resolve this dispute – at best it will just sharpen the climate of fear further thus militating against free and responsible online discourse; at worst, it will be seized upon by eager beaver bureaucrats who are only to willing to use this as an excuse to roll out yet another set of draconian online rules, guidelines and legislation, which we are certain will have an adverse effect on growing the economic interest of the internet.

It would serve the interest of all parties immeasurably if both SPH and TR disengage from continuing their cat fight online WITH IMMEDIATE EFFECT and try to resolve their differences in a real world quorum – we believe this would not only preserve the social harmony in the internet; but it would also allow both parties to resolve their objects of disagreement in a more amicable and congenial setting – besides from what I am able to glean from all this; no one here is really interested in this petulant cat fight – if anything it can only serve as a distraction to more important subjects currently discussed in this excellent blog and elsewhere in greater blog-o-sphere.

We hope that both SPH and TR will consider the broader implications of what we have pointed out and more importantly respect the interest of most netizens – just as the sun does not revolve around both of you; neither does the celestial properties of the internet – they remain rightly quite indifferent, I am afraid.

Meanwhile I remain yours most reliably

SD (Internet Liaison officer of the brotherhood)

This is a diplomatic communiqué from Primus Aldentes Prime ( broadcast on all channels) – DC 234-0026 EP Doberman.