They have never been transparent with us. I doubt it will change now.

Time to vote for Change before Singaporeans become maids and cleaners for PRs and foreigners.

Hi Ganga

I think you’ve left out a couple of crucial piecse in this jigsaw puzzle. The number of Singaporeans who renounce their citizenship each year (7,000 last year) and the total number of Singapore born and bred citizens who live overseas on a long-term basis (currently around 200,000).

At the current rate, by 2015 around 50,000 Singaporeans would have given up their pink ICs. And 6 years later, the number of natural Singaporeans overseas could well be closer to half a million.

If you factor in these possibilities, perhaps we might be able to reach that cherished milestone sooner than later. :)

I can’t wait for the next GE. I had vote for the MIW all my adult life but this time, this time I am going to vote for Change.

I never attended an opposition rally before but this time, this time I will be going to as many as I can. I am sure there will be thousands and thousands who will be going as well. And the good thing is that all of us will be true blue Singaporeans coming together for a common good.

Lately everywhere I went I felt like this was no longer home. I was surrounded by so many different people all speaking a different language. Nothing seemed to bind them. There was no common identity. They were just hungry hoardes of people here to make as much money as they could and go back home. They don’t have the slightest intention of contributing anything to this country.

What is happening to my country? Why are they destroying it just for greed?

Why is WKS’s figure so different from the published truth from the Dept. of Statistics of S’pore. The same goes to Mabok Tan’s revelation and the HDB announcement.
It must be a kind of joke to test the ‘ignorance’ of the average S’poreans.

What has become the credibility of the government and for that matter the PAP? How can the citiziens ever believe them with their rhetorics and half-truth?

We have a choice and the choice is obvious before we become the minority true blue citizens of S’pore. Just exercise our rights on polling day CITIZENS and rescue Singapore.

Truth be told, i’m guilty as charged. Will be going overseas for my studies in 2012. High chance, I might not return. Home is where the heart is.

Lightning did strike the Merlion on the head right? What more signs do you need to tell you that the immigration policy will hurt us in the long run? Don’t tell me you are asking for a freak election? Huh?

Kudos New Era!!

I am voting for CHANGE too. It could be our last chance to save our beloved Country and Nation.

Yes, I am already a minority of the minorties in my workplace !

This is simply outrageous! We are minorities! Can you imagine the Indians and the Malays by 2015? They are all extinct by then. No more racial harmony! End of Singapore!

Already, Vivian B is over the moon that there are 4500 PRs serving
as grassroots leaders (we all know they are not politically impartial)
and PAP are already expecting for more of them to join.
Part of the hidden strategy of the PAP Govt is to give and increase the citizenships of these PRs so that as more Singaporeans support the
oppositon, it would negated by the votes of these people.
I should know, I have neighbours who are Indian and Chinese nationals
who unashamedly extoll the wonders of the PAP in helping them to settle
here

One minister has recently publicly said that S’pore is just a “global city”…..i.e. not a country. Must be a Freudian Slip.

Why are male S’poreans doing NS for then???

Let’s hope that 20 years later, nobody will admit that the open door ,free flow of foreigners policy is a flawed policy. By then, this country will be in deep shit because the foreigners would have bolted out by then, leaving S’poreans to clean the shit that they were not responsible for. The bilingual policy is one clear example of the high falutin policies of our blind MIWs following another blind man,
In the land of the blind, the 1 eye man is knig.

Those PRs who joined the grass-root organisations are most probably beholden to the PAP in one way or another. AND PAP will ensure that they are ‘well taken care of’. That is for sure.

Social engineering is still going on. Previously it was

1. Two Is Enough family planning – targeted at total population control.
2. Graduate Mother Scheme – targeted against the poor and minority races.
3. SDU – social matching schemes – targeted at subservient people.
4. Meritocracy – to create an elitist society rule by the hand-picked elites.

This time, it is more ruthless than before. It seems the aim now is to replace and/or overwhelm disgruntled Singaporeans who are likely to vote against the PAP with beholden and opportunistic PRs.

This is called “Population Cleansing”, no difference if not worse than Ethnic Cleansing in Pol Pot Cambodia, in Hitler Germany, in Apatite White South Africa, etc. It is done not by genocide but by subtle and cunning means. That is why they are so quick to tell you to migrate to other countries if you are not happy here.

Wake up before 2015!

okay lah..

more and more people like singapore..

it is a good thing !

more people for party singapore !!

pap policy is just want to control you forever, their top leader always told us he see things for the next 20 to 30 years at the GE rally. in fact, the whole environment is seem good for themself only, everythings is control by them, Mr. New Era, i agree with you, make sure never vote pap, don’t be cheated anymore, why 80% of our next generation should pay 20 to 30 years housing installement ? this is not swiss standard they promised us during 25years ago at GE rally. OUR YOUR SINGAPOREAN, PLAN FOR YOUR OWN FUTURE, DO NOT LISTEN TO pap ANYMORE. VOTE FOR MORE OPPOSITION

Singapore is not a country, it is a profit driven company. FT can contribute to the economy straight away once they arrive. While to use a Singaporean, the government need to invest in them, e.g baby bonus, education, medical, housing etc. So our company can maximized profit by importing ‘ready made’ worker, without need to invest in their training.
Ideally this FT policy is good if it really benefit true Singaporean. Unfortunately, majority of the profit generated only benefit a certain group of people.

Disturbing………..

Between 2007 and 2010 there will be a projected 4.5 fold increase in naturalised citizens. That is close to 2.5%. This will increase to 3% in 2011, when naturalised citizens will reach a number of 99,390.

Two points:

1. The rate of naturalised citizens who are eligible to vote should be higher than that of natural citizens, given that our immigrants are mostly economic migrants.

2. It would seem strange to expect successfully naturalised citizens to vote for the opposition parties, particularly when the bulk of these new citizens have only been naturalised since 2007 and are so very new.

(I welcome views to the contrary.)

Both points seem to indicate that this already guarantees a better than 3% in-the-bag votes for the PAP in the upcoming elections.

I have sent my two sons overseas to study, though I am not rich.

I sold off my 5-room HDB flat which I bought 30 years ago for only S$27,500 and made quite a decent sum, enough to finance my children’s overseas study. Now I am living in a rented flat in JB while working in the SIN City.

The rental there is very much lower, only RM$800 for a whole 3-bedroom condo unit. This is how I am surviving now.

I do not wish my children to come back to this SIN City. Once they graduated, they will either settle down in the respective countries where they are studying now, or go to the Middle East, or join me to stay in Malaysia, perhaps joining the Malaysian Armed Forces, for a brighter and better future.

Good luck to my fellow Singaporeans. Time and tide wait for no man (or woman, or man-woman). So, wake up and do something and stop complaining!

2) ilovesingapore on November 26th, 2009 12.45 am

Hi there and thanks for the input. The numbers cited from the Department of Statistics are the net figures and is after those who have renounced have been excluded. Their calculations have also been changed since 2003 and they are now not allowed to include overseas Singaporeans (reported as 180,000 as of 2008) or those who are not in Singapore for the most part of the preceding 12 months as part of the figures.

It is the same for the citizen numbers – if we add the number of births, add the number of new citizens and subtract the number of deaths, the increase would not tally with the final number – the difference could very well suggest how many Singaporeans are leaving each year.

I am a Singaporean leaving abroad and my view on this is because the govn’t is pushing the standard of living back home too high, too fast. I once read that if you are earning $3000 monthly, you belongs to the top 30% income earners in the country. Look at everything around you! HDBs, CEOs for cars, new shopping centres pooping up everywhere… Who pays for this???

PAP calls this economic stimulants but its is the every day singaporean who ultimately pays the price and hence resulted in our low birth rates.. How can we support ourselves, our parents and now our children… therefore the quickest fix is to hand out our PRship to Tom’s Dicks is Harry! Come on… the government expects these migrants to be loyal to Singapore?? I am over here for more than 3 years now and many of my friends still haven’t truely assimilated into the Aus culture and remains primarily Singaporean. It will take at least a generation for real assimilation! My children will be Australian, not me…

As for the PRs in Singapore, many see it as a quick get rich route to Yi Jing Huan Xiang (to return to their place of birth with wealth).. Especially the PRCs, knowing that China is becoming a global leader in economic power every day with unlimited opportunities.

Of more concern than foreigners being in the majority is the fact that the Singapore Government is reliant to a large degree on cheap imported labour to prop up the Singapore economy. This is a totally bankrupt approach.

I had always thought that the Government was correct in getting rid of the sweat shops in Singapore and moving into the high tech, information and knowledge industries. Obviously the Government has found that we are not creative and innovative enough to compete, but that is another sad story.

Instead of business activity going off-shore where the cheap labour is, all that is happening is that the cheap labour is brought to Singapore. Either way, the net result is no jobs for the locals and detriment to the bottom 50% of Singaporeans at least. The strategy is totally bankrupt and without a skerrick of concern for the great unwashed in Singapore. This is where the MM, the SM the PM and all the other Ms have completely lost the plot.

My dear “new era”, one-person-power really “not enough”, you must practice “multi-level” marketing skills in mobilizing all your connections, i.e., you must also convince and persuade your parents, your children if they are eligible to vote, all your relatives, all your friends, etc, to support your cause for change, as general election is all about number-game. Tell them the consequential if no-change is happening and all Singaporeans will become “extinct-spices” in the very near future that all of us can envision. You will suffer, your next generation will suffer, your next-next generation will suffer, and on and on and on…………. If no change has been initiated!!!!

@3) New Era on November 26th, 2009 1.45 am

[[I can’t wait for the next GE. I had vote for the MIW all my adult life but this time, this time I am going to vote for Change. ]]

I just hope there will be more awakened folks like you because if not, Singapore will one day go the way of the titanic and those sleeping voters will be wondering what the hell happened and how did it got to become that stage.

Shall teach all hypocrite SG ministers a lesson. Vote for Change in coming GE.

My dear “never vote pap”, an important slogan you missed out by the stupid and greedy miw proclaimed loudly and shamelessly in the previous GE held under gct’s manifesto, “Every Singaporeans Count”!!! My shit, people are losing jobs, losing home, losing private space, losing freedom, losing life-long saving(old uncles cheated by influx of pro…), losing and losing and losing……, due to the opening of flood-gate to opportunist’s influx to this tiny island!

@ 21) Die-Hard Singaporean on November 26th, 2009 11.41 am

I see you and I raise you! :)

What is the point behind all the tech parks, Biopolis, efforts by A*Star, EDB, MTI, whatever they are call now if we do not have more ‘higher quality’ jobs for qualified Singaporeans? Why should we take the DELL personal computer sales strategy of competing on bottom prices rather than offering value and quality at acceptable high prices (like APPLE).

If we are going back to the strategy which was deemed not to be beneficial for Singapore’s future, I really think the WRONG PEOPLE are earning millions from our taxes.

Our main strength is our people.

It’s not our tax incentives (which can easily be copied), not our location (logistics is a very low margin business now) and it’s not our role as a regional hub serving South East Asia (where Malaysia, Thailand or Indonesia could easily overtake us if they got their act together).

When people are your main strength, either you make the existing ones better by training them and giving good exposure or you import new ones with high pay or better living options. The latter option was the path taken by our MIW. It solves the problem earlier but it doesn’t last longer unless these people stay on to teach and share their knowledge.

The way to go is to always ensure there is always a plan to improve your local population so that they can continue to be branded value like APPLE rather than a easily replace commodity.

Seeing that the prominent policies in place by the MIW mainly help non-Singaporeans, I think we definitely need people who will serve Singapore’s long term benefits. Singapore for Singaporeans. Singapore for its patriots. Singapore for anyone who wants to contribute without sucking our blood and gambling our reserves.

…Singapore without an unchecked MIW!

Cheers!

Repeat after me:

VOTE FOR CHANGE, VOTE PAP OUT!

If U had the determination to vote for oposition go aghead, without listen to any platform propaganda. Just vote for any opposition contesting your ward. Is better to vote for a “Yes Man” in Paliament!

I think the author’s forecast is very likely to come true.
2015. This is merely a FEW short years away. A blink of an eye away.

When that materialise, its logical to believe that singapore will a super strong 1 party dominant state that may last another 50 years easily.

It would be Naive and UnIntellectual to Base On the last 2 election results to forecast the future and assume this Trend of Opposition will grow because the Game has changed Drastically.

The people has not Rejected any Policy in an official way . By the People , i mean the majority at least.

It puzzles me why it is so :
1. overcrowding : people accept.
2. PRs contributing to property price hike affecting younger buyers : people accept.

3. CPF policy : people accept . Health is not guaranteed for all. Wealth also. Jobs may be lost or people suffer unfortunate incidents or acidents. The poor who need money cannot withdraw from their cpf until retirement whenupon they only can draw a few hundred a month?

4. GRC system : people accept despite so many walkovers over several elections and despite no chance to vote if they are affected.

3. Gathering : Now more strict than previous strict.

4. Foreigners shop assistants unable to speak proper english to an extremey obvious way. Are these talents? Have people even demanded from their MP what is the criteria that certifies a Foreigner as a talent? Is there independent body of people doing this? What is meant by independent?

5. Transparency : HDB pricing . Questions raised again and again by Opposition in parliament. Where are the direct answers ? Am i missing something?
Why would citizens not be Interested? Apathy is the opposite meaning of being Interested in issues.

6. Sufficient Talents with the required Calibre : They do not join wish to help develop a stronger singapore opposition in parliament by joining or forming opposition parties. Bad reputation is not an issue. Form a new one with clean record talents. Its obvious people do not wish to contribute to building a opposition for singapore. Do these support a 1 party dominant system?

The above are, to me, Logical and Pertinent Questions. I am puzzled why singaporeans are think and behave like this? Which intellectual can quote me a another country in this entire planet who behave the same ?

This is totally InComprehensible.

Singaproeans need prove to they are 1st world Intellectuals. Having a cert means nothing to me if you lack political Knowledge. INGORANCE cannot be intellect. I am not saying i am better. There is a difference between not reading and discusing about polticial issues vs apathetic attitude where people never visit political websites and comment and worse, totally shut their brains to think and analyse the news referencing information on the net, not to rely solely on MSM.

Even some of the MP are not pure breed in S’pore. What do you expect the rest. They will bring in a lot more to our shore. Watch out!. Vote for the change in the coming election. Show them the peoples’ power. YES WE CAN!!!!

#30,

“Vote for the change in the coming election.”

But would it be too late already?
Its a simple Maths of
How many more new Opposition Supporters vs how many more non-Opposition Supporters out of the New Citizens population, imho.

Who knows how many new opposition supporters?
How many knows how many new citizens since last election and how many of them in TOTAL?
and
How many of these are non-opposition supporters?
Why they willing to drop their motherland citizen rights?
what say u ?

Please spread the news that the current polices is a genocide. Singaporeans must all stand firm in the coming election. It is they (PAP) perished or we (Singaporeans) perished. Compromise is no longer an option because MIWs have pushed their agenda too far this time.

Mohd Kadir on November 26th, 2009 11.16 am -

How Kadir? We’re not so lucky like you. Bumi here and bumi there also.

I have no money how to open business in Malaysia? Government only gives handouts and subsidies to Malays only.

Some more, not a Malay how to get a public sector job, low cost housing, special privileges, free education, scholarships for my children. Then my children have also to learn Malay in school for what? If no future.

Help lah, Kadir . . . .

i have already make up my mind for change after which i regretted so much the last election that i took at least 5 mins to decide who should i picked in GRC woodland. even the police officer and my wife were wondering y i took such a long time to decide at the counter.

but, what the heck! (shit!). i chosen pap which i cursed and swear eversince. it already sign and obvious reasons of the ruling party doings and the ball now is in PEOPLE COURT.

READ MY LIP, OPPOSITION! YOU’LL HAVE MY VOTE COUNT FOR SURE!

Its very clear.

It’s Genocide.

Singaporeans as we know it, will be extinct. A new “breed” of “Singaporeans” moulded by PAP will rise. Change the people, to suit the government.

We have to wake up from our slumber! I try not to be demoralised…

It’s like all the people are asleep in a giant vault and the oxygen is slowing depleting away. A few woke up, the question is should this few people rouse the rest up? Or let them die in their sleep. If we can rouse more true blue singaporeans up, perhaps we can combine our strength to break this vault.

Come On, all Singaporeans, LET WAKE UP!

Are new citizens of voting age allowed to vote upon receiving the pink ic?
Should new citizens be allowed time to know the system better before allowed to vote?

Can i have some answers?

Radlife66,
for the old fart, the end always justifies the means, even if it means that Singaporean face extinction in order for PAP to retain absolute power and to prevent those the dirty linen and skeletons in the closet from ever coming to light. Absolutely embarrassing government and statesman.

What can we do but be lead by the majority given that majority rules in democracy?

I feel kind of phobic about this situation. I feel helpless.

But i must stay strong.

Singapore is about to Change Drastically, if not already so :
Either we Get Changed (will influx change the country?)
or
We change

Which local political parties have officially spoken up or written about the foreigner influx problem?

Pornsak Doubai,
people did not accept any of the policies of the despondent gov, people simply just accept their fate and live apathetically. Many simply give up hope on this government and country, and see what comes their way tomorrow. Those who can leave, will leave, and those who cannot leave, will mostly “Shut up and Sit down”.

#66 Radlife66,

“Come On, all Singaporeans, LET WAKE UP! ”

That is no use. Many have screamed that back in the last 2 elections.
The main issue is majority either simply choose to avoid political issues and alternative information websites or they just won’t swing over.

Also, no one really knows out of all voting age citizens, new or native, how many really would support which side thanks to walkovers.

Correct me if I’m wrong.

Hey guys! I was just wondering – what IS the Singaporean? What makes him what he is? How may we describe him?

What, exactly, are we defending from the Depredations of the Foreigner?

VOTE FOR CHANGE, VOTE PAP OUT!

37) Utopia on November 26th, 2009 5.13 pm

I agree with you. After 50 years there must be many skeletons in the closet. That is why they will not stop working to prevent those skeletons from being exposed.

I remember how people were shocked reading about the truth behind NKF. That was small time.

This is much, much bigger. After 50 years working behind closed doors, there must be a lot that they don’t want the public to know.

I think it is time we opened those closet doors and see what is hidden behind. I am sure that even those Singaporeans who are politically apathetic would be very curious to see those skeletons.

Only one way we will get to see it. Vote for Change.

PS. Make sure that you have a strong heart when Change comes in the next elections. I expect that what will be revealed would shocked not only Singaporeans but the whole wide world, and maybe the universe.

Switzerland…for you people….

As i said, I am reading the MIW book….read it…you will see, how everyone came togather to make & build a nation…..

Now look at this place……funny things go on…that we cannot even get decent answers….

It is time to put people in who question the rationale of certain policies…..who else can do it….but oppositions…

Only threats can wake people up….now the fear of losing ones place in his/her own country has awaken most of you…i hope it results in a good mix of parties and people in parliment to make Singapore a better place for us all.

As I have said….the same fear of losing power and their govt must be felt by the PAP to get things done proper.

They want to ensure winning every election by using migration and dilution of population with injection of large number of foreigners. I think this is a dangerous move but to ensure winning at all cost, local citizens have become pawns. Anyway, when we know our votes dont really count anymore, then maybe too late too realise that we have been screwing ourselves by throwing votes away.

Reality

Appearance is not reality.
It’s pleasing, exciting
But also deceiving.

Elections, democratic
or otherwise, can
be rigged.

What is seen is not.
What is not seen,
works behind the scene.

The result conceived,
planned, executed
to military precision.

Check what is behind.
Who is behind?
Who does the dirty works?

Then the reality,
the vacuum, the void
will be filled.

You said you know,
you understand,
but really do you?

We must revenge for our lost Generation, Policy “STOP AT TWO” has murder & slaughter the “Innocent & Defencless” foetus, our belove Brother & Sister. Don’t ever let the FamiLEE escape. Vote for a Change and unseated the PAP.
The FamiLEE must be “HANG”

Hmmm… now that civil service not getting their fair share of year end bonus, looks like MORE ppl gonna have a reason to vote the current ruling out… *winks*

Singaporeans awake from your slumber. Listen to the collective CONSCIENCE, your heart – it’s time to vote the PAP out. It’s time to express your protest vote. It’s time to express your moral indignation at the govt’s foreigners-first policy.

The MIW have a very good job in striking fear in people – that if we don’t continue to vote for them, our economy will sink and our ricebowls will be gone – that’s a load of bull now.
Don’t listen to the crap. It’s time we Singaporeans throw off the yokel of fear that the MIW have subjugated us.
VOTE for the Opposition.

And what if by fluke the Opposition gets a majority vote? FEAR NOT, there will be good Singaporeans to rise to the occasion and form good government.
Do we think our fellow Singaporeans are so incompetent of governing? Surely, we must have higher opinions of ourselves? Surely, we don’t think that foreigners are better at ruling our country?

The hiccups that we’ll face – it;s all part of nation- building – part and parcel of growth.
So, arewe giving our country a chance to grow?
Vote for the Opposition. Register your protest – this is your BIRTHRIGHT.
USE IT!

Singaporeans ARE indeed Unique in every sense of the word.
We should be proud that we are, imho, the Most Cooperative citizens in the entire world past and present.

I suppose all other leaders in the world can only ENVY.

The Influx is , as told, CALIBRATED.

This TRUST between the citizens and the leaders enabled these wonderful policies to be implemented without much Resistance, if any at all.

I am impressed that they are confident of implementing these policies.
But then this is also Not Surprising at all.
Afterall, they Read the Citizens like the back of their Hands.

Absolute Cooperation is what resulted in todays singapore.

Well done!
Majulah!

wahaha!

Nov 26, 2009
Vietnamese man arrested

A 25-YEAR-OLD Vietnamese man was arrested for loanshark harassment early on Thursday morning.

Police received a call from a resident in Henderson Crescent at about 2.30 am reporting that a man was splashing paint and writing graffiti on the wall outside his flat.

Officers from Clementi Police Division arrived within minutes and immediately carried out a search of the HDB block and its vicinity.

Based on the description given by the victim, the officers spotted the man at the void deck shortly and arrested him.

Some paint marks were found on the suspect’s body. The officers also seized a red marker and a bottle filled with paint near the void deck.

Preliminary investigations revealed that the suspect is believed to have assisted in loansharking activities by carrying out harassment acts at debtors’ units.

The man will be charged in court on Thursday afternoon for loanshark harassment.

http://www.straitstimes.com/BreakingNews/Singapore/Story/STIStory_459365.html

You know thing are getting bad when illegal moneylenders bring in foreign talent as well. LOL.

We have 4 army general (NS) as ministers in the cabinet. And yes one of them is the PM. Are we are slowly going to be under military rule soon?

“You know thing are getting bad when illegal moneylenders bring in foreign talent as well. LOL.”

The masterminds are very likely to be foreigners as the police does not have sufficient information on the mastermind and their background. Can you even arrest foreign wealthy syndicate criminal with money to kill ? Your guess is as good as mine. Our clowns are justing pretending that these masterminds are local people, and pretending to control the situation. Wait till you see the IR open. Very sure the clown will even control the media more to make you feel good and safe. Caveat Emptor, next time you vote for the gov with your eyes wide open.

if singapore is just a city..therefore being a singaporean is just like a englishman living in london is called a londoner.

Therefore my nationality based on my race, I am a citizen of the Republic of China(Taiwan). Therefore should I urged the taiwanese government to start issuing passport to oversea chinese that wishes to return to the China but does not wish to live under the control of a communist regime.

Count me out SIngapore !

@4) leesjuanpat on November 26th, 2009 1.53 am

“….Why is WKS’s figure so different from the published truth from the Dept. of Statistics of S’pore. The same goes to Mabok Tan’s revelation and the HDB announcement.
It must be a kind of joke to test the ‘ignorance’ of the average S’poreans…..”

An aside — MBT recently officiated opening of the Zero Energy Building (ZEB) at BCA Academy, i.e. a solar powered building show-case. He mentioned payback of the investment as about 10-12 years. Seems harmless considering other countries with solar experience normally quote 15-25 years.

However, for anyone who read the ZEB’s price tag & looked at the peak installed capacity, the payback based on current oil prices would actually be a staggering 260 YEARS! I know this sounds ridiculous but the numbers are there for anyone who cares to scrutinize. Off hand, considering the size/usage of the building, I guess the price is at least 5-10x over-budgeted. So, another case of our ministers either lying about blunders in spending, or they are real sotongs, believing whatever scripts that are given to them to read – without even bothering to think or check the facts themselves?!?

Either way, paying civil servant high wages so that they wouldn’t be corrupt sure cultured a bunch of million-buck idiots, if you asked me!

@56 theforgotgeneration.

The inconsistency speaks for itself. Being high profile and ministers, as I said earlier,
they will just recite a statement given to them, without the slightest idea what ther are talking. That reminded me of my school days reciting poetry and felt elated because it rthymed well.

MTB and many ministers are a bunch of (_*_)s, releasing air from their asses.
We must know what to do to put these people in their right places !!

We vote for more OPPOSITIONS into parliament!!!

18) Mohd Kadir on November 26th, 2009 11.16 am -

Mohammed encashes his taxpayers’ subsidised flat and moved the money over to Johor; schooled his children at taxpayers’ expense here then sent them abroad to study on his income earned in Singapore; and later he’d encourage them to join the Malaysian Armed Forces.

How very very interesting . . . . .

It doesn’t make a lot of sense to just pick 2007-2008 and linearly extrapolate to 15 years ahead. The conclusions of this article make no sense.

they are only interested in getting their economy going singaporean not submissive and cooperative with them then get foreigners its one of their ways to fix us

Guilty as charged. I am planning on leaving 5 years later. Going to Penang to build a real nest.

I’d worked very very hard and saved….fingers to the bone.

8 years later today, I find the HDB prices rise like rocket. If I want to live near to my parents, I have to pay foreigners $100k+ more than 8 years ago for 3 room flat.

Words cannot begin to describe the bitterness I feel towards PAP and foreigner PRs.

8 years of my life, my blood and sweat money, going to foreigners to buy a home in my own country. Joke of the century!

The greatest health hazard in SG is not smoking or drinking. Mbt alone enough is able to take years of my life away.

Its time to save our very own local bred singaporean citizens before those MIW sell us all to the foreigners in exchange for more $$$ into their own pockets. There are already more and more people on the street getting very upset and angry about the way the govt treats our local citizens. Where are all our rights of being the nations very own local born citizens, we have served the country, we have served the nation and is this what we gonna get in return from MM Lee? where is your conscience, have you lost it because of money and greed? or have you destroyed the very bridge that we all built to bring you cross the damn river to this day?

Think PAP has really lost its touch with the native singaporean.
The deviation of benefit is too much between native sporean and foreigner(PR,Spass or whatever pass hoders they called).

At time, i would rather be a PR than holding the pink IC and whenever i rec SAF100 calling me to return for reservist, i would bear more hatred to the PR or whatever pass holders. Bottom line is what is the point of casting an mage of having army where it own citizen army already bear so much discontentment and grudges against the PAP

I would rather vote for a dog in the next GE.

At least a dog knows to protect the house from foreigners.

Why should I vote for some people who can’t even do what a dog does?

It’s good that more people are awakened. I can also see the number here growing. However, we are still a minority. Many Singaporeans are apathetic to politics. They are too busy worrying about their grades, their jobs or their financial obligations (or should I say, burden).

As I have mentioned before in one posting, if we truly want change, we must help the change. Help to grow the number here. Keep sending links to your friends. If you send to 10, it just take one of them to click on the link and that is a step forward. This one person may get interested in further reading and become a regular. He or she will then send links to friends and keep the ball rolling and the number swelling.

God bless you all : )

I like to know good people.
For this , i , like most singaporeans, are not against foreigners per se.
Just like foreigners want the best for themselves,
We the citizens also want to Defend our selves.

Our :
1. rice bowl
2. space
3. aspiration for economical public housing.
4. dignity

We shd have several blackouts a month so that more can be done on the marital beds.
Then we might not need imports.
Right?

I am a SINGAPOREAN. By birth , by the fact I did my 2 1/2 years of NS and also my 13 years as a reservist.

But of late I realised that this means nothing to the government. They glorify the foreingers and also the PR”s who come here by the pleasure of this government cos it realises that come the next election they are going to face a population that cannot today be brainwashed by all their so call gifts of monetary awards to fool them .

I dont begrudge those who want to come to live in singapore and become citizens but this government has shown that it does not appreciate what born and bred singaporeans have done for their country.
Our Ministers are apid so much money every month every year that they will say anything cos that’s what they are paid to do. What every increase be it the cost of housing, the cost of living, it has no impact on them cos theyare paid so much. We also hear of organisations asking for donations to worthy causes but I wonder whether any of our ministers have themselves donated to any of these. They always come as guest of honours and reap the accolades that should really go to the real individuals who put in all the hard work.

Sad to say, I have lost complete faith in our present government and our leaders. Why do we need 2 deputy prime ministers , 2 ministers mentor, 1 senior minister mentor soon there will be 2. Does this indicate that our PM is inept! ant the money that is paid to all these ministers run into millions and our President is also the highest paid in the universe!

Rest assured , come the next election, I will vote for the opposition and hope something will be done to appreciate what true born and bred singaporeans have done and contributed to our country and lets hope this government stops bragging about our foreign talent. I for one am sick and tired of hearing about it.

Farmer keeps 10 horses in ranch. All’s well.
Farmer see 50 wild horses nearby. Starts thinking.
Farmer ties up his 10 home bred horses inside ranch.
Farmer prepares buffets of fantastic fruits and vegetables inside ranch but away from local horses.
Farmer OPENS the gates…..and waits.
Wild horses sees great feast. Enters ranch.
Farmer closes gate and traps new wild horses.
Farmer start house breaking process.
Farmer makes lots of profit.
Farmer repeats process whenever.

So, who’s fault is it that local horses now starves? Blame the wild horses?
Nope.
SHOOT the GREEDY Farmer.
Animals are innocent. ;)

#58) Ronald on November 27th, 2009 12.17 pm

“” 18) Mohd Kadir on November 26th, 2009 11.16 am -

“Mohammed encashes his taxpayers’ subsidised flat and moved the money over to Johor; schooled his children at taxpayers’ expense here then sent them abroad to study on his income earned in Singapore; and later he’d encourage them to join the Malaysian Armed Forces.

How very very interesting . . . . . “”

Yes, Mr Ronald, I tend to agree with you in a way.

This only goes to show that the minorities among us are not stupid but the majority of the so-called “taxpayers” are!

[...] Review: Vivian happy that there are 4,500 new immigrants serving as grassroots leaders – TOC: By 2015, born and bred S’poreans may be the minority in S’pore – Today In Singapore: Citizenship Test [...]

The millions spent to integrate could have been used to increase the amount given to native citizen families which procreate or convert this into giving the husband more leave days to take care of wife and children or convert this into keeping women who are pregnant stay employed.

65) Economist on November 27th, 2009 8.35 pm

“I would rather vote for a dog in the next GE..”

I fully empathise with you but what makes you think it’s not a SNAKE. Worse still, a double-headed one.
No turning back then.
A snake is more venonous and the double-headed snake does one thing in front of you and another behind you.

The way I see it almost all aspiring opposition MPs are rattle snakes today. They are somewhat stained. These are not lies – CSJ put his hand into the workplace petty cash. James Gomez tried to do a David Copperfield but forgot checking out if CCTV was on the ceiling, Balraj Naidu, cadre of Reform Party, an international terrorism suspect, Imagine, Kenneth Andrew Jeyaretnam when needed a job wrote to SM Goh for help. Now, he wants to bite the hands that fed him. So much for values and virtues.

Btw, times are bad. Globalisation makes it worse in this “produce cheap plus good” trading system. The ground is more fertile for snakes to roam and make a living of unsuspecting and vulnerable preys. Right?

In the above article, it was quoted:

“…..at least 65 per cent of people born and bred who understand this place, who are part of this society and who know how we got here and why we must do these things… — MM LKY proclaimed last July….”

I have always wondered how they arrived at the figure of 35+% foreigners needed for Singapore. Appreciate anyone able to explain, educate or share thoughts on this matter. Is it:

a) they screwed along, always trying to hit maybe a GDP number (some say it is ethnic content driven), using all means to get there including screwing our birth rate and simply importing cheap labor… until bingo, that objective is achieved and it doing so, the foreigner content happens to escalate to 35%, or

b) they meticulously calculated and planned with meritocratic precision that 35+% is the best combination for Singapore economic/social well-being (using a secret formula like the 2-is-Enough policy which was supposed to project accurately 20-30 years into the future), i.e., we arrived at 35% by design, or

c) they are clueless, thus just pick a number from the hat.

@74) Shellfish on November 28th, 2009 1.38 pm :

You are right, in a sense. Lately, I am meeting FTs that are real “snakes” like what you described; one has been here 13 years, involved in PAP grassroots activities, speak English that none of the 20-30 in our group understands, a real selfish and devious character that hoards information instead of sharing with the rest, “volunteers” for the group without counselling with the group, etc…. Oh, he also has a Ph.D, so yeah… real FT calibre that our govt seems so desperate for. We did background checks on him and so far, he appears to be in Singapore for the ride — absolutely no worthwhile contribution to the development of Singapore, except maybe eat his share of the rice (quite a potty guy, lah). Seriously, when there was news about a body found floating in a river some time back, no one would be surprised if it was him…

@65) Economist on November 27th, 2009 8.35 pm

Oh dear, looks like its gonna be a 3-corner fight if I get to vote next — your dog, my cat and any opposition candiate that can spell ABC. Tough call, but my cat is the leading contender as yet….

take a walk thru the streets of london..who do you see?
pured cockney accent speakin michael caine slang?
noped all you hear are arabs/vietcong/pakistani/jewish/greeks
singapoor is goin on the same path soon
which is part of the reasons why i come home to 5
(wah sound liked mediacorp channel 5 advert)
~sigh~

The current government is becoming a monotonous regime and doesnt seem to
be worth that sort of high salary. Basically lack of innovative and creativity!!
At one hand they claimed they have made a wrong child birth policy back in the 70s but till today, i still couldnt see they make a point to understand its ground as in why it own citizens are not having more children, They can keep educating family planning or critising sporean not responsible. But they themselves has created a not conducive environment for us to produce more. Instead of finding way to get it own people to produce, they chose the easier way out by opening its gate and flood the island with their so-call FT which i see it a NO NO to long term solution. Their open door policies have not only resulting the lack of housing, creating unaffordable housing, lack of sch choice. Worst still, they have created a unbalance level of playing fields especially to it own males citizen which has given much advantages to PR instead of its own citizen. And till today, the PAP still do not realise how its own citizens has incurred the huge lost of opportunity cost. Im getting more and more fed up!!!
How i wish a strong opposition party will evolve soon to change all that!!!!

Soon to be minority sporean on November 28th, 2009 6.21 pm -

Are we still living in the stone age or what ?

Globalisation is the tsunami that is going to make many beggar countries of many. My god! And we are talking abt ants and ant bites.

Over the years the world population has grown into the double-digit billions. Non-renewal resources have gone scarcer. Unless, you die fast as Robinson Crusoe you have no choice but get suck into the competing global economy where you produce not only cheaper than others but better. Oh . .oh . . that’s hell of a tough job for a tiny no economies of scale resourceless island, right? And we arew complaining of ant bites.

We may not even be here in 10 years! We import practically everything from energy to food! Stupid! How to pay for these without exporting goods & services?

Politics aside. We really, really need very talented and creative people as resource. Malaysia can still eat peanuts exporting her minerals, produce, etc.

Can you idiots out there understand! I can really laugh reading these ignorant blogs.

I think if we had say Jerry Yang we shd pay him not 1 million but 10 MILLION.

How to compete with China today and others like Vietnam when they ram up?

78) Brinjal on November 29th, 2009 12.18 am

If you can you can.
If you cannot , S.U.&.S.D.

dont give excuses.

Imported new citizens exempted from NS can vote.
Born- and-bred NS serving 18-21 year-olds cannot.
What are we defending again? High- priced HDB inhabited by scooped-and-retire-back-home PRs?

@78) Brinjal on November 29th, 2009 12.18 am

I have difficulty following the logic. Sure, globalization is upon EVERY country; it doesn’t take a genius to know that — much less, seemingly from a rehearsed script. How that translates into the your paranoid reason for necessity to import en masse foreigners, some clearly of dubious quality, is hard to connect.

It would be more convincing if you could name some countries that have similarly imported 35+% foreign population as a means to compete globally, and that they found by not doing so in 10 years, they are dead. Frankly, I don’t see any other country taking this path.

Bread-and-butter issues of the common folk don’t count, is it? Maybe only if a nuclear bomb dropped squarely on your head would you consider it NOT an ant bite. No wonder GCT’s wife considered TT Durai’s pay was peanuts. Hence LHL current US$2.05m salary is made a non-issue — like another ant bite? Boy, you must be in the north Ivory tower or some cave.

Good question why we don’t have a Jerry Yang. What are thousands of our top scholars doing? Chasing ants and catching spiders in cosy govt departments? Or still “calibrating” the influx of foreigners? Any took the plunge in this economical downturn to lead by example — i.e. start-up successful home-grown industries employing Singaporeans and creating value-adding JOBS? Why, don’t tell us now our educational/scholarship system can’t turn out entreprenuers…. Hmm, must be another ant bite….

78) Brinjal on November 29th, 2009 12.18 am

Your argument reflected your ignorance and naive.
Personally, i felt a country of diluted identity and fading pride is something not to be taken lightly. Its not ant bite but a dog bite, idiot!!

Economies of scale doesnt just come from opening the gate, what you need is your own population that will have their roots sink permanently here to boost the domestic demand. You were not fool to say that spore import practically everything but you were pretty stupid enough to percieve we need to rely on foreigners to help us export cheap good and services

Many countries such as France and some of the europeans have been successfully populated their gene and need not flood their gate. Even so, some of the middle east countries having more foreigners than their local practised clear distinction of its own citizen. You were right that we need lots of creativity and innovative talent here but a clear distinction must be made between local and foreigners. Dont forget that this land was built by the local or their forefathers and in return is able to provide the opportunity for the foreigners else why would they want to come in the first place. In many way, i see the foreigners more to supplement the lack of human resource and the government has overly sell the word “foreigner talent”.

80) Think-about-it on November 29th, 2009 3.16 pm
“Imported new citizens exempted from NS can vote.
Born- and-bred NS serving 18-21 year-olds cannot.”

This is a serious allegation.
We need Transparent information on this issue in order to know the Truth.

We can almost smell Our common destiny.
Its prolly too late to Reverse this liao. Even if we make the same decision.

Apathy is it worth it?
Decisions, we made it.
Responsible, we are.
Too late now, yes.

Take a heli not HELL view.

This is no native born or not matter. It’s unimportant in today’s competitive global economy. You either LIVE or DIE is the question to ask. Look around the region from Laos, Cambodia to Indonesia. Native born so what? Look at the poverty. We’re a borderless world whether we like it or not. Goods and services must be sold for a country’s survial. Otherwise it’s death. We can’t close the country and pretend that there will be food on the table for everyone next.

Singapore imports and pay for practically everything with the hard cash it has from its export earnings.

Look at the vunerabilities -

(1) We don’t have a common market (ASEAN LOL) like the EU.
(2) We don’t have a hinterland.
(3) We don’t have the economies of scale.
(4) We don’t have space (700 sq km).
(5) We don’t have a viable internal market (4.5 million people).
(6) We don’t have mineral resources.
(7) We don’t have enough fresh water.
(8) We don’t have energy resources
(9) We don’t have a population ofl wealth creating people (businessmen & entreprenuers).
(10) We don’t have enough babies.
(11) We have an ageing population to slow productivity.

But we PAY to have a high caliber locomotive (government) that has taken us from 3rd to 1st world given our disadvantages. From a fishing village to a world renowned metropolis.

Only fools and envious outsiders (non-Singaporeans) would want to oust such a government. 44 good years!

Change back to a 3rd world country @$16 per day per household????? I’ll be really starving then and where got energy to even blog or money to pay for electricity to surf?

The gods must be CraZY then

I am always very tempted to talk back at people who always claim that PAP has brought Singapore from “fishing village” to a world “renowned” metropolis.

Is Singapore really a “fishing village” back in 1959 when PAP gained power? It must be the propaganda machine that is just too successful over the years that keep repeating it. Someone has said that if you keep repeating a lie so many times, it may just become true. Now I can really understand the nonsense that this sentence means. There are actually people who could believe in a blatant lie just because it has been repeated for so many times.

Singapore was NOT a “fishing village” when PAP gained power. Maybe it was when Standford Raffles took charge but Standford Raffles did not join PAP back in 1819 because PAP wasn’t even formed back then. Singapore was already the JEWEL CROWN of Southeast Asia, with the BEST infrastructure in terms of road network and port facilities in 1959 when PAP took over.

Well, I don’t deny PAP has provided economic progress for Singapore in the past but please don’t exaggerate it. PAP has inherited a good foundation in terms of port infrastructure, the best in Southeast Asia. This is the fact. Of course, it will also take good economic policies to further enhance our position as the Jewel of Southeast Asia but regrettably, although economically we have excelled relatively, but culturally, we have regressed very much right from the Renaissance city of Southeast Asia to the Cultural Desert of Southeast Asia under PAP’s rule.

I shall not go into details to rebut Japee’s 11 points here as it will become a great long winded thesis. Just cannot stand it when people tends to over exaggerate PAP’s merits which actually expose the the commenter’s total ignorance of Singapore’s social-political-economic history of the past.

Goh Meng Seng

85) Japee on November 29th, 2009 11.12 pm

Think out of the box!!! NATIVE of course will stay put to hold the land when is in threat lah. So what if u have lots of $$$ and when real threat approaching and nobody defend it. It will be worst than ur $16 per day per household

And who is asking to shut the border!!! cant u see from the blog that people is just seeking for more recognition as a citizen. As a matter of fact, would you let your guest sleep in your master bedroom or in the guest room?

Given the logic at #85, it simply means;

A borrows money from B to pay loanshark.
B works hard and repays A with interest too.
B wants A’s daughter to be his mistress.
B says A has NO basic rights & owes him.
B also wants A’s wife. Same reason.
B now wants A’s blood.
B basically owns A.
A protests!!!
B reminds A that without B’s earlier help, A could have been;
a) Killed by load shark.
b) turned into a slave or maid in other country
c) become a prostitute
d) 3rd world beggar

A reasons that although true initially, A could have:
a) Borrowed from someone else less conditional
b) Become even more prosperous without B’s eternal demands
c) become poorer but happier with dignity and freedom rather than now an eternal slave, better off no doubt, but still a slave.

We will NEVER know how things would have had turned out if A did not take B’s money. Could have been better, could have been worse. But at the present, is like a live frog being slow cooked in warmly heated waters. Eventually still dead.

With such #85 mentality, no wonder Wall Street Banks controls the world. More than US$1 trillion has now been pledged by US government for financial aid and more by other world governments, but less than 0.001% is reluctantly pledged to SAVE the world from serious Global warming and poverty; given if the world ends, ALL will perish.

Yea, such powerful logic.zzzzzzz

Indeed, the gods must be CraZY. Or maybe, just maybe, we need to PAY these gods even way way much better & faster so as to make life even cheaper..blah blah, and progress for our nation.

Life philosophy Idiot’s Guide:
Gratitude is NOT conditional nor being an eternal slave.
Everything else is simply an AGENDA.

Now, with gratitude, Shut Up & Sit Down !

@85) Japee on November 29th, 2009 11.12 pm

Somehow #85) Japee sounds like #78) Brinjal on November 29th, 2009 12.18 am. Are there model answers being circulated for apologists of our policies?

Would like to have a good discussion but to keep to the topic, I really fail to see HOW THE LISTED 11 VULNERABILITIES JUSTIFY HAVING A LARGE FOREIGN POPULATION HERE???

e.g.
“….(1) We don’t have a common market (ASEAN LOL) like the EU…..” — So by having a large FW/FT here, we will have a common market?!

“….(2) We don’t have a hinterland…..” — So by having a large FW/ FT here, we will have a hinterland?!

“….(7) We don’t have enough fresh water….” — You mean the imported FW/FT will bring to us more fresh water? The god of rain must be crazy then. What about gold? We don’t have enough gold. Can god of gold help also?

etc… etc… these 11 points are ridiculous for the discussion and are just bogeyman tactics.

@86) Goh Meng Seng on November 30th, 2009 12.34 am

I must say Goh MS arguments are very compelling. The oft “fishing village to first class country” is a spin out of actual proportions. Sure, credits must be given where due, no MORE or no LESS. Conversely, however, mistakes/bad policies must also be accounted for. But again, I don’t want to divert from the topic — least TOC start moderating me again!!

Back in the 1950s, Singapore is already an economy giant, together with Penang Island and Hongkong lol…We have a deep habour and we ply our trade from ships, didnt history tell us that…idiots only think we r a fishing village in the 1950s. If we are a fishing village, do u think we have the chinese commerce that supported China with their wealth during WW II….duh…u need to know History, it was like everything is credited to the PAP.

Without the PAP, we still prosper, and even more so, look at Hongkong, that we been trying to chase all the way from the 1990s. We overtake HK only because there is a takeover and many HKers move to Sg.

And we overtake Penang Island in the 1970s because the M’sia gov practises discrimination and the Indonesia chinese and the penang chinese came here…u think we owe it to the PAP?

The nation is bleeding dry while the PAP guys snapped up properties overseas and locality.

Why support a party that only scheme to be in control instead of the national interest?

What’s the problem?

The vast majority of Singaporeans — throughout history — have been “immigrants”.

I’m simply amazed at some of the xenophobic comments here. Oh well, I like reality checks!

Another PR running before his NS.

http://bbs.sgchinese.com/viewthread.php?tid=2606654&extra=page%3D2

“The INDIVIDUAL is the smallest minority in the world” — Ayn Rand.

I am simply tickled that group-think nationalism/xenophobia/jingoism/racism — the ugliest forms of collectivism imaginable — are all alive and well in Singapore. I had suspected that for a long time, and I would like to thank posters for providing “evidence” — anecdotal and weak as it may be — to bolster my kopi-tiam theory that Singapore is a Nation Of SHEEPLE which are so scared of being “diluted” by other species of sheep from flocks afar.

Not a single xenophobe is the slightest bit ashamed of his/her blatant bigotry. In fact, many display a tenor or being PROUD.

I’m so tempted to use the “N” word — that is “NAZI” — the group of similarly xenophobic folks who were so terrified of being “corrupted” by “foreign DNA” that their leaders instituted programs to keep the race “pure”.

“Singapore’s Sheeple Uber Alles! Down with the foreign barbarians! Keep my national gene pool PURE!”

Can’t handle being a “minority”? Too bad. Those bigots out there, in my opinion are an EMBARRASSMENT to humanity and a NATIONAL SHAME to the nation.

Go ahead, click the button below and vote. Do you really believe the S’pore gene-pool is so “pure” it needs to be protected against “dilution”?

Bloody Nazis. There, I said it! ;-)

My wife used to work in an audit firm where the interviewer (second in command) is an Indonesian, basically a PR. basically she gives almost zero chances to singaporeans and will tell the partner that the singaporean not interested in the job.

She used to tell me that the firm has foreigners to singaporeans almost 5 to 1.

Yup this will happen to us in the later part of our lives when we are old and therefore useless to the govt.

Brinjal:

Checking the data from the World Bank, the world population had not even hit 7 billion yet. What’s this “double-digit billions” you’re blabbering about?

Japee:

As history have it, the people who “brought Singapore from 3rd world to 1st world country” certainly were not paid millions in the process. They did it with much less pay, with much better result in the past. It looks to me that better pay had only led to complacency and worse performance.

Even then, we’re not 1st world country. We’re only 1st world CITY (so said some elite).

I am really really piss and sick of pap that put their own interest before country
we are becoming a minority , when i go to tampines it is like little manila
hearing the tagalog piss me off. Dont trust the PAP vote for change and if the oppostion is a dog i still vote for them. STANDUP true singaporean

i am piss really piss

I have a friend who is already a minority amongst the minority singaporean workforce. In his office of 10, 3 are from China, 2 from Indonesia, 3 from Thailand, 1 Singaporean Chinese and 1 Singaporean Indian. How irony….

97) FreO
“minority amongst the minority singaporean workforce”

Yeah, I experience too. A lot of Malaysian and China-ese workers crowding me out here.

Sighs~

@91) Matilah_Singapura on November 30th, 2009 12.07 pm

What’s the problem?

The vast majority of Singaporeans — throughout history — have been “immigrants”.

Ok, if that’s the case, how about we just abolish singapore citizenship, no more NS, all living here are just “immigrants”… We give up our singapore passports, and all foreigners will have to give up their passports too, so that all are equal…

@99 lim

No, I don’t agree that S’pore citizenship be abolished. However I do think it would be a good idea to make it VOLUNTARY, not left — in the ‘default’ case — simply as a consequence of birth.

By voluntary citizenship I mean individuals will have to make the choice to BECOME Singapore citizens, and if they do they will have to agree to certain terms — like military and/or community service perhaps, rates of taxation etc. And the state will have to abide by certain conditions too. Pure voluntary contract.

Since most of us can agree that individuals should be ‘equal’ under the law, IMO this is one important step towards ‘equality’ — achieved on a voluntary basis.

What’s the problem?
-MIW suckups like YOU!

The vast majority of Singaporeans — throughout history — have been “immigrants”.
- Duh. Everyone knows and agrees to this fact-no argument there.
That’s NOT the main issue! It’s all about timing & the crippling relentless rising cost of living and falling employment and median wages.

I’m simply amazed at some of the xenophobic comments here. Oh well, I like reality checks!
-Well, I’m simply more amazed at some of the genuinely idiotic comments here. Unfortunately, idiots don’t want to accept their own reality checks too!

@ 101

I’m ignoring your irrelevant ad hominem attacks.

quote: “That’s NOT the main issue! It’s all about timing & the crippling relentless rising cost of living and falling employment and median wages.” unquote

The rising cost of living is caused by the expansion of the money supply and credit.

Falling employment — are you sure about that? Maybe in some sectors which might cause some people who have lost their jobs to evaluate (i.e. project) their bad-luck situation and wrongly conclude that their problems are ‘pervasive’ — i.e. economy wide.

You make the claim that median wages are falling. Can you back up your claim by providing some facts — perhaps data from the stats dept or from MAS or Ministry of Labour, EDB… just the facts ma’am.

A good book to read for those who feel in a quandary about employment and career is “What Colour (color) IS Your Parachute” by Richard Bolles. Bolles makes it clear that in today’s world ALL JOBS are TEMPORARY jobs, and I agree with him.

Targeting foreigners and blaming them for employment or rising costs are non sequiturs — logically fallacious. This might be very popular with politicians trying to garner support for themselves by finding a convenient scapegoat, whip up emotions of the masses and then the myth becomes prt of the cultural belief.

Racism and xenophobia are ugly culural aspects. By blaming foreigners for all these unrelated “ills” shows meaness of spirit and takes the country back to tribalism.

Do you really want that? Or would you prefer a society open and tolerant, and welcoming, PLUS allowing private enterprises (the real engines of growth and wealth) to be competitive?

It’s bad enough that there are aspects of ‘tribalism’ (for e.g. homophobia) why add to it? Wouldn’t it be more beneficial in the long-term to embrace change and to welcome those who might be different to you instead of viewing them as ‘threats’?

Your choice. I’ve made mine: Keep the borders open (but well defended) and allow businesses to hire and fire whoever they like for whatever reason.

I’ve made my point #70 ultra clear where the most basic of minds in rehab can understand, bar perhaps, those who CHOOSE to IGNORE the obvious and wage defence for a non existent utopia.

Do make the effort to choose the relevance of argument appropriately. Racism, xenophobia and homophobia are human prejudices that exist in the best and worst of human condition. There is NO connection to what is happening with the problems faced in Singapore brought about by irresponsible man made administrative policies. Amazing what irrelevant things you can find on your plate in a desperate attempt to spice up an already bad tasting ensemble. zzz

When MM made public his regrets on some errors of his earlier policies (eg, the bilingual policy, graduate mother schemes) whilst in “active” office, many just listened and “accepted” that, yes and so it was, and so it was. But like with our docile culture, the damage was/is never really discussed. It just was/is.

Perhaps, we all must strive to be more divine. Throw open our family doors and let the masses of anyone come into our homes to dine and stay whenever and however they choose in the spirit of community, whilst at the same time, let our loved ones compete with these strangers in the name of building up their survival skills. Hey, after all, we are all brothers and sisters in spirit. We must show that we are never tribal, always open, tolerant and welcoming. Keep our doors open I say. Put your youngest and brightest children to stand guard at the OPENED gates and allow these strangers to continue invading our homes. Just make sure the gates stay open and standing no matter what. Throw in a fresh coat of paint if we have to, to look global. Moreover, no worries, we can always kick them out when there is nothing left for our own, when everything we worked so hard for is diluted. Here here, I declare again, we are NOT tribal nor xenophobic and certainly not homo-lingual !

Come come, MM, let’s have a cuppa and reflect on what went wrong again. You know we love your reflections.

PS: Oh, yes, I believed I said animals ARE innocent at the farmer’s house (#70). Some just don’t like picture books much. I just have to ignore irrelevant and hominem attacks then.

PPS: Before I forget, thought I’d share this for posterity;

In 2008, more than a quarter of countries experienced flat or falling monthly wages in real terms. These countries include the U.S.A. (0.0 %), Austria (0.0 %), Costa Rica (0.0 %), South Africa (–0.3 %), Germany (–0.6 %), Switzerland (–0.7 %), Israel (–0.9 %),Japan (–0.9 %), Singapore (–1.0 %), Mauritius (–1.0 %), Kazakhstan (–1.1 %), the Republic of Korea (–1.5 %), Panama (–2.8 %), Mexico (–3.5 %), Ecuador (–4.1 %), Iceland (–4.8 %), and Seychelles (–15.5 %). Declines of 3.6 per cent and 6.2 per cent were recorded in Taiwan, China and Hong Kong, China, respectively. The difficult outlook for 2009: The picture on wages is likely to get worse in 2009 – despite the beginning of a possible economic recovery.

PPPS: The New Year is approaching. Remember, have as many guest as possible, it’s only civil. Make sure they are all foreign talented labour. Take out your best china. We can always use our savings to buy new ones if they break them. Have a good life ya? Just don’t forget to have your children and old grandparents stand by the gates. Everyone has to work in this household. ;)

Ladies and Gentlemen,

SIngapore is an island without natural resources – get this simple and cruel fact into your bloody mind before you pass negative remarks about the foreign talents policy or blame the foreigners for taking away your cheese!

It is not easy to up-root one’s family and come all the way here to start life fresh. They took a huge gamble to leave their home town for the sake of Singapore’s economy. Lets be human about it. Without these people’s contributions all these years, would Singapore be able to achieve what it has today?

@104) My Views

You know, the past generations who sank their roots here became citizens here, and their descendants serve NS.. But many of the FTs are not taking up citizenships, but prefer to just hold the PR status, do you know why?

Best of both countries, enjoy the wages here, and plan on going back home when they earned enough..

Don’t keep reminding us singapore has no natural resources, (We do have a deep water harbour), but we do have the world’s best paid president, ministers and high ranking civil servants.. and some of the world’s poorest can be found here, old folks collecting cardboards, empty drink cans..

@104) My Views

“They took a huge gamble to leave their home town for the sake of Singapore’s economy.”

So, they came for the sake of singapore’s economy, and not because they can earn a better wage here.. Thanks for the enlightenment.

So, true blue singaporeans cannot contribute to singapore’s economy, then, what happens to all the past generations’ efforts to bring singapore to first world status? Sure, a lot of them are migrants, but once Singapore gained independance, they became citizens here.

I wonder how many people actually migrated here during the 60s, 70s and 80s? > 1million? But we see population jumps by that much within the last 5 years.

It’s seriously horrifying to have bottomless IDIOCY beat a bloody mind anytime. No wonder we have no choice but to borrow this one word wonder from the MIW;

Be VIGILANT ! of MIW suckups everywhere or have another 50 years of idiotic administration. And that is the BLOODY truth.

Haha. Thank god I’m a soon-to-be ex-Singaporean.

104) My Views on December 7th, 2009 4.15 am

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“It is not easy to up-root one’s family and come all the way here to start life fresh. They took a huge gamble to leave their home town for the sake of Singapore’s economy.”

Oh please!!!!! u sound as if Foreigner is a saviour to us. In reverse, I would say
all Foreigners here took a gamble to leave their home for the sake of earning better living for themselves. If their so called home country is damn so good, why would they pack ur bag!!!!!!!

Sorry but to say u are crap