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		<title>By: Insight</title>
		<link>http://theonlinecitizen.com/2009/11/meet-the-protagonist-of-the-ypap-facebook-forum-war/comment-page-3/#comment-124644</link>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 03 Jan 2010 06:56:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have been observing the exchanges between Alex and YPAP. To those who call him a hero. You ought to re-examine your head. My conclusion is that this person pose a greater danger to credible opposition than PAP.

Allow me to explain. 

Why does a person openly attack / troll the YPAP website? Let us examine a few likely possibilities.

1) He is an unstable and radical moron.
- No one is the right mind would keep posting vulgarities at the YPAP.
- His NS records shows that he is either unstable and rash, which leads him to DB. Who would want to get into trouble in this manner during NS? 
- He rather spend all the time trolling YPAP rather than taking care of his sick mother.
- His radical behaviour reminds us of CSJ who is remembered by many for causing opposition to lose credibility after the elections which oppositions had the best showings.

2) He is part of PAP or setup by PAP.
- He did not declare to be member of any opposition. Its not surprising. No credible opposition would want to associate with someone who behave so rashly and opening declare bringing down the government.
- His posts were not deleted on the YPAP website. Why? Is the moderators not working or is there a reason his posts are kept?
- He attacks LKY and PAP government openly. Urging people to bring down the government? Why was there no strong condemnation/reaction against him but the YPAP people seems contended to keep entertaining him by responding his posts?
- Very little is known about this person until now which is near election time.
- By engaging in rash and mindless trolling, he is indeed the &#039;perfect&#039; example of &#039;senseless&#039; opposition that PAP always like to portray. The type of opposition behaviour that could turn off majority of the rational and mature voters.

3) He is a tool for certain opposition members
- His young age of 22 and immaturity and rashness allows certain people to use him as the mouthpiece/proxy to advocate their agenda.

4) He has a personal axe to grind against PAP.
- For reasons unknown, why so personal that a 22 year old can be so obsessed with radical idea of bringing down government and spending so much time attacking PAP in various ways?
- Other than wanting to bring down PAP, he doesn&#039;t seem to have specific agenda/plans to share with the rest of Singapore

Looking into these possibilies, it can be safely concluded that whichever it is. His antics at the YPAP website can only cause greater harm to opposition than PAP. 

If the above possibilities are speculations, one thing is not. He has succeeded in bringing much publicity and bring to YPAP more &#039;facebook fans&#039; and in the trolling process brings &#039;apathy&#039; to YPAP! Any credible opposition party would be wise to not allow this person as a member, as his ongoing online antics would be more of liabilities and provide wonderful &#039;ammo&#039; for PAP to use during election time.

It has been proven again and again in elections, that Singaporeans seek a better opposition (the likes of Chiam and Low) - somewhat like PAP e.g. people with good credentials and education/intellectual, well-liked but hopefully a more humane front and less elistist. They want a balance parliament but not a radical change of government. Singaporeans flatly rejected confrontational approach (the likes of CSJ) whose bizzare behaviour Alex seems to be taking onto and this is hurting opposition at a crucial time!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have been observing the exchanges between Alex and YPAP. To those who call him a hero. You ought to re-examine your head. My conclusion is that this person pose a greater danger to credible opposition than PAP.</p>
<p>Allow me to explain. </p>
<p>Why does a person openly attack / troll the YPAP website? Let us examine a few likely possibilities.</p>
<p>1) He is an unstable and radical moron.<br />
- No one is the right mind would keep posting vulgarities at the YPAP.<br />
- His NS records shows that he is either unstable and rash, which leads him to DB. Who would want to get into trouble in this manner during NS?<br />
- He rather spend all the time trolling YPAP rather than taking care of his sick mother.<br />
- His radical behaviour reminds us of CSJ who is remembered by many for causing opposition to lose credibility after the elections which oppositions had the best showings.</p>
<p>2) He is part of PAP or setup by PAP.<br />
- He did not declare to be member of any opposition. Its not surprising. No credible opposition would want to associate with someone who behave so rashly and opening declare bringing down the government.<br />
- His posts were not deleted on the YPAP website. Why? Is the moderators not working or is there a reason his posts are kept?<br />
- He attacks LKY and PAP government openly. Urging people to bring down the government? Why was there no strong condemnation/reaction against him but the YPAP people seems contended to keep entertaining him by responding his posts?<br />
- Very little is known about this person until now which is near election time.<br />
- By engaging in rash and mindless trolling, he is indeed the &#8216;perfect&#8217; example of &#8217;senseless&#8217; opposition that PAP always like to portray. The type of opposition behaviour that could turn off majority of the rational and mature voters.</p>
<p>3) He is a tool for certain opposition members<br />
- His young age of 22 and immaturity and rashness allows certain people to use him as the mouthpiece/proxy to advocate their agenda.</p>
<p>4) He has a personal axe to grind against PAP.<br />
- For reasons unknown, why so personal that a 22 year old can be so obsessed with radical idea of bringing down government and spending so much time attacking PAP in various ways?<br />
- Other than wanting to bring down PAP, he doesn&#8217;t seem to have specific agenda/plans to share with the rest of Singapore</p>
<p>Looking into these possibilies, it can be safely concluded that whichever it is. His antics at the YPAP website can only cause greater harm to opposition than PAP. </p>
<p>If the above possibilities are speculations, one thing is not. He has succeeded in bringing much publicity and bring to YPAP more &#8216;facebook fans&#8217; and in the trolling process brings &#8216;apathy&#8217; to YPAP! Any credible opposition party would be wise to not allow this person as a member, as his ongoing online antics would be more of liabilities and provide wonderful &#8216;ammo&#8217; for PAP to use during election time.</p>
<p>It has been proven again and again in elections, that Singaporeans seek a better opposition (the likes of Chiam and Low) &#8211; somewhat like PAP e.g. people with good credentials and education/intellectual, well-liked but hopefully a more humane front and less elistist. They want a balance parliament but not a radical change of government. Singaporeans flatly rejected confrontational approach (the likes of CSJ) whose bizzare behaviour Alex seems to be taking onto and this is hurting opposition at a crucial time!</p>
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		<title>By: pe</title>
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		<dc:creator>pe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Dec 2009 09:39:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dear Alex,

As you can see, it is without doubt that you have gathered much support from online netizens.

If we remember that the original intention for causing all this furore, i assume, was for the ultimate benefit of Singaporeans, then let us not lose sight of the aim.

We seem slightly to be going around in circles, commenting and debating on your credibility, on PAP and NMPs, CHANGE, etc.

Many used to be just sitting ducks. Now many have become quacking sitting ducks. The question is whether or not we can take flight to avoid being shot.

The dust has been unsettled, now, then what is next?

This will be the next test of the substance of your claims and your intentions. Misunderstand me not, I do not doubt you, but simply, if you managed to consistently achieve and maintain these, most definitely would you be better able to engage your opposition.

(I have a query: For what are we voting against, in the name of Change?)

&amp;my thoughts echo SirWilliamWallace&#039;s.

Cheers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dear Alex,</p>
<p>As you can see, it is without doubt that you have gathered much support from online netizens.</p>
<p>If we remember that the original intention for causing all this furore, i assume, was for the ultimate benefit of Singaporeans, then let us not lose sight of the aim.</p>
<p>We seem slightly to be going around in circles, commenting and debating on your credibility, on PAP and NMPs, CHANGE, etc.</p>
<p>Many used to be just sitting ducks. Now many have become quacking sitting ducks. The question is whether or not we can take flight to avoid being shot.</p>
<p>The dust has been unsettled, now, then what is next?</p>
<p>This will be the next test of the substance of your claims and your intentions. Misunderstand me not, I do not doubt you, but simply, if you managed to consistently achieve and maintain these, most definitely would you be better able to engage your opposition.</p>
<p>(I have a query: For what are we voting against, in the name of Change?)</p>
<p>&amp;my thoughts echo SirWilliamWallace&#8217;s.</p>
<p>Cheers.</p>
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		<title>By: singaporean</title>
		<link>http://theonlinecitizen.com/2009/11/meet-the-protagonist-of-the-ypap-facebook-forum-war/comment-page-3/#comment-121526</link>
		<dc:creator>singaporean</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Dec 2009 03:45:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>alex well done keep engaging them and do good for singapore</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>alex well done keep engaging them and do good for singapore</p>
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		<title>By: Bird Talk</title>
		<link>http://theonlinecitizen.com/2009/11/meet-the-protagonist-of-the-ypap-facebook-forum-war/comment-page-3/#comment-121178</link>
		<dc:creator>Bird Talk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Dec 2009 21:35:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Abolish NS!!!

If Taiwan faced with greater n mightier China can end military conscription, surely Singapore can do the same too......

http://www.chinapost.com.tw/editorial/taiwan-issues/2009/03/13/199883/End-of.htm

I agreed with Alex that 2 years NS is a total waste of time.
Who are we actually protecting?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Abolish NS!!!</p>
<p>If Taiwan faced with greater n mightier China can end military conscription, surely Singapore can do the same too&#8230;&#8230;</p>
<p><a href="http://www.chinapost.com.tw/editorial/taiwan-issues/2009/03/13/199883/End-of.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.chinapost.com.tw/editorial/taiwan-issues/2009/03/13/199883/End-of.htm</a></p>
<p>I agreed with Alex that 2 years NS is a total waste of time.<br />
Who are we actually protecting?</p>
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		<title>By: Bird Talk</title>
		<link>http://theonlinecitizen.com/2009/11/meet-the-protagonist-of-the-ypap-facebook-forum-war/comment-page-3/#comment-121173</link>
		<dc:creator>Bird Talk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Dec 2009 21:14:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The battle line is drawn. we will fight together alongside with you, Alex.
You are not alone.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The battle line is drawn. we will fight together alongside with you, Alex.<br />
You are not alone.</p>
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		<title>By: alex tan</title>
		<link>http://theonlinecitizen.com/2009/11/meet-the-protagonist-of-the-ypap-facebook-forum-war/comment-page-3/#comment-121048</link>
		<dc:creator>alex tan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Dec 2009 11:03:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>sirwilliamwallace
thank you for your kind words. I will try my best and continue attacking PAP online propagandas, and hopefully, with my small resistance, it will bring democracy and freedom to Singapore.

vote for Change, vote the PAP out</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>sirwilliamwallace<br />
thank you for your kind words. I will try my best and continue attacking PAP online propagandas, and hopefully, with my small resistance, it will bring democracy and freedom to Singapore.</p>
<p>vote for Change, vote the PAP out</p>
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		<title>By: SWW</title>
		<link>http://theonlinecitizen.com/2009/11/meet-the-protagonist-of-the-ypap-facebook-forum-war/comment-page-2/#comment-120973</link>
		<dc:creator>SWW</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Dec 2009 01:54:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dear Alex,
Well done. You truly have the guts of a lion. I admire the moltivation behind having those guts even more. You give good name to the youngsters these days, I never known that a species like you exist. Now I feel, if there is one, there may be more. How nice if all of them align could themselves with causes like yours.
Now with all the spot light on you my friend, please be very careful with what you say and do. (you are quite right, I am a Singaporean and I too demonstrate a degree of fear for you, seeing what you are doing).
I do not agree totally with what you have said, but I admire your care and concerns for Singaporeans and I salute you for actually taking the effort to speak out. (Note: eventhough I disagree with some of the things you said, that does not make you wrong. It takes 1 voice, then 10, then 100, then 1000 and finally all sit down and trash it out and find the best solutions). Under no circumstances should anyone be banned from anywhere or be called names, for speaking out in a place where freedom supposed to exist - unless there is none.
I came to this forum after reading the news about you in the papers. Judging from the interview, I see a potential wise man in the making. Do continue to improve yourself and be very patient. Take time off to meditate when it all becomes too much to handle, do not act on impulse. 
I hope you achieve great success in your future. I hope you meet more wise men in your life who can offer guidance and share experience with you. 
One man can change the world Alex, that is how great ONE can be. 
Good luck &amp; best wishes. 
SirWilliamWallace</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dear Alex,<br />
Well done. You truly have the guts of a lion. I admire the moltivation behind having those guts even more. You give good name to the youngsters these days, I never known that a species like you exist. Now I feel, if there is one, there may be more. How nice if all of them align could themselves with causes like yours.<br />
Now with all the spot light on you my friend, please be very careful with what you say and do. (you are quite right, I am a Singaporean and I too demonstrate a degree of fear for you, seeing what you are doing).<br />
I do not agree totally with what you have said, but I admire your care and concerns for Singaporeans and I salute you for actually taking the effort to speak out. (Note: eventhough I disagree with some of the things you said, that does not make you wrong. It takes 1 voice, then 10, then 100, then 1000 and finally all sit down and trash it out and find the best solutions). Under no circumstances should anyone be banned from anywhere or be called names, for speaking out in a place where freedom supposed to exist &#8211; unless there is none.<br />
I came to this forum after reading the news about you in the papers. Judging from the interview, I see a potential wise man in the making. Do continue to improve yourself and be very patient. Take time off to meditate when it all becomes too much to handle, do not act on impulse.<br />
I hope you achieve great success in your future. I hope you meet more wise men in your life who can offer guidance and share experience with you.<br />
One man can change the world Alex, that is how great ONE can be.<br />
Good luck &amp; best wishes.<br />
SirWilliamWallace</p>
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		<title>By: brawnypaws</title>
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		<dc:creator>brawnypaws</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Dec 2009 10:34:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>While the courage of Alex is admirable. I must say that some of his ideas are a bit too shallow and require a closer examination. One point especially is &quot;abolish(ing) the re-service of NS&quot;.  Also I do not agree with him the list of most pressing issues in Singapore today.

Power corrupts; absolute power corrupts absolutely. The younger generation of PAP members have failed to connect with the people. This is can seen from the numerous holier-than-thou / insensitive comments by them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>While the courage of Alex is admirable. I must say that some of his ideas are a bit too shallow and require a closer examination. One point especially is &#8220;abolish(ing) the re-service of NS&#8221;.  Also I do not agree with him the list of most pressing issues in Singapore today.</p>
<p>Power corrupts; absolute power corrupts absolutely. The younger generation of PAP members have failed to connect with the people. This is can seen from the numerous holier-than-thou / insensitive comments by them.</p>
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		<title>By: Triple Threat</title>
		<link>http://theonlinecitizen.com/2009/11/meet-the-protagonist-of-the-ypap-facebook-forum-war/comment-page-2/#comment-114221</link>
		<dc:creator>Triple Threat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Nov 2009 09:56:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>gemami

leave the battle to the young man and stop stalking him again and again. thanks. 

GE2010 will say it all.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>gemami</p>
<p>leave the battle to the young man and stop stalking him again and again. thanks. </p>
<p>GE2010 will say it all.</p>
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		<title>By: The Singapore Daily &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Weekly Roundup: Week 45</title>
		<link>http://theonlinecitizen.com/2009/11/meet-the-protagonist-of-the-ypap-facebook-forum-war/comment-page-2/#comment-114168</link>
		<dc:creator>The Singapore Daily &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Weekly Roundup: Week 45</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Nov 2009 03:26:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] petrol and no rights [Thanks Seelan ] - Singaporean Skeptic: I love the Straits Times Forum! - TOC: Meet the Protagonist of the YPAP Facebook Forum War - Singabloodypore: Freedom for Sale - TOC: And so the castle crumbles.. - Seelan Palay&#8217;s [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] petrol and no rights [Thanks Seelan ] &#8211; Singaporean Skeptic: I love the Straits Times Forum! &#8211; TOC: Meet the Protagonist of the YPAP Facebook Forum War &#8211; Singabloodypore: Freedom for Sale &#8211; TOC: And so the castle crumbles.. &#8211; Seelan Palay&#8217;s [...]</p>
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		<title>By: gemami</title>
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		<dc:creator>gemami</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Nov 2009 08:49:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Alex, Alex … and you are harbouring the hope that you could send the message you have just shared with us, across to those who have sold their lives to the MIW? Come, come … even if you have hated my guts for doubting you, there are others who have expressed a desire to join you in battle – whether with spoons or broomsticks. Why then are you ignoring them?

I feel a lot of desperation in you. Cool it, young hero. Rome wasn’t built in a day, didn’t anyone tell you? History is not created within a lifespan. If you are frustrated and desperate, then think about your forebears who do not have the luxury to decide whether to stay or to leave. All they could do was fight. So please, do not belittle their pain and effort by exalting your chivalry. There is nothing to crow about for one so ready to throw in the towel at the loss of one battle. This is not the spirit of fighters, young chap.

When you grow wiser in a year or two, and with one or two battles under your belt, you will realized that what you have done has created more damage to the cause you are pursuing. 

Let me share with you one lesson I learnt here in TOC – to always go into battle with a smile on your face and in your heart. You will fight better with this. Trust me.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Alex, Alex … and you are harbouring the hope that you could send the message you have just shared with us, across to those who have sold their lives to the MIW? Come, come … even if you have hated my guts for doubting you, there are others who have expressed a desire to join you in battle – whether with spoons or broomsticks. Why then are you ignoring them?</p>
<p>I feel a lot of desperation in you. Cool it, young hero. Rome wasn’t built in a day, didn’t anyone tell you? History is not created within a lifespan. If you are frustrated and desperate, then think about your forebears who do not have the luxury to decide whether to stay or to leave. All they could do was fight. So please, do not belittle their pain and effort by exalting your chivalry. There is nothing to crow about for one so ready to throw in the towel at the loss of one battle. This is not the spirit of fighters, young chap.</p>
<p>When you grow wiser in a year or two, and with one or two battles under your belt, you will realized that what you have done has created more damage to the cause you are pursuing. </p>
<p>Let me share with you one lesson I learnt here in TOC – to always go into battle with a smile on your face and in your heart. You will fight better with this. Trust me.</p>
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		<title>By: justkaypoh</title>
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		<dc:creator>justkaypoh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Nov 2009 08:04:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Alex,

You asked for help in fighting the YP in facebook, I volunteered and asked you questions but you did not answer me.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Alex,</p>
<p>You asked for help in fighting the YP in facebook, I volunteered and asked you questions but you did not answer me.</p>
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		<title>By: alex tan</title>
		<link>http://theonlinecitizen.com/2009/11/meet-the-protagonist-of-the-ypap-facebook-forum-war/comment-page-2/#comment-114022</link>
		<dc:creator>alex tan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Nov 2009 06:43:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Today, we look at Singapore after 50 years of PAP rule:
everyone is tired and totally drained out by PAP&#039;s pro-business approach.
Singaporeans work hard for very little relatively to other first world countries because of PAP.

trot down Shenton Way and Paya Lebar during peak hours, what we see is a typical Singaporean:
frustrated, stressed, angry and most importantly: helpless.

drop by old towns like Eunos&#039;s circuit road, Chinatown&#039;s waterloo street, Toa Payoh&#039;s lorongs...we&#039;ll see countless elderly peddling tissues, arching their back picking up recyclable items, pushing loads of &quot;trash&quot;, and the handicapped and poor in the streets performing, begging...what retirement? what first world country and GDP progress? all the GDP percentage has nothing to do with them!

look at our local tertiary students. the PAP rather fund some foreign students with worse-than-PSLE English than to subsidize Singaporean students university and polytechnic fees.

look at the blank faces of the NSFs: underpaid, tamed and have no freedom.

their resigned faces say it all.

Singapore today is a sad sad place.
there is no Hope and no signs of life here. work and work...
we have degraded into a callous and meaningless society because of PAP.

the PAP know it, but they want to have their cake and eat it too. thus they resort to propagandas: telling Singaporeans to smile, to be gracious, to be accommodating of foreigners, to appreciate what we have...faking happiness.
sometimes i wonder if the PAP members are faking it too.

does the PAP as a ruling government understand?

this place gives me heartaches, which is also the reason why i will choose to leave Singapore if PAP wins the next GE.

i will give it all i&#039;ve got for the next GE, am considering to join the Opposition and hope to get socio-civic bloggers like me to be in for this too.

Singapore have all the talents to form a better government. i will approach them and hopefully pursuade these talents to concentrate together in one party and stand for elections.

will visit Reform Party&#039;s open house next tuesday and the Worker&#039;s Party headquarters the week after.

the people is waiting for a Change, a new Hope.
i have decided to stop waiting and seek the team who will be the Change. i hope readers will at least do their part by educating their families and friends about the sad state PAP has put us in.

p.s. i thank you all for the emails and messages of encouragement i received from the TOC interview. Change is about the people&#039;s effort. lets give it all we&#039;ve got for this country this General Elections.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Today, we look at Singapore after 50 years of PAP rule:<br />
everyone is tired and totally drained out by PAP&#8217;s pro-business approach.<br />
Singaporeans work hard for very little relatively to other first world countries because of PAP.</p>
<p>trot down Shenton Way and Paya Lebar during peak hours, what we see is a typical Singaporean:<br />
frustrated, stressed, angry and most importantly: helpless.</p>
<p>drop by old towns like Eunos&#8217;s circuit road, Chinatown&#8217;s waterloo street, Toa Payoh&#8217;s lorongs&#8230;we&#8217;ll see countless elderly peddling tissues, arching their back picking up recyclable items, pushing loads of &#8220;trash&#8221;, and the handicapped and poor in the streets performing, begging&#8230;what retirement? what first world country and GDP progress? all the GDP percentage has nothing to do with them!</p>
<p>look at our local tertiary students. the PAP rather fund some foreign students with worse-than-PSLE English than to subsidize Singaporean students university and polytechnic fees.</p>
<p>look at the blank faces of the NSFs: underpaid, tamed and have no freedom.</p>
<p>their resigned faces say it all.</p>
<p>Singapore today is a sad sad place.<br />
there is no Hope and no signs of life here. work and work&#8230;<br />
we have degraded into a callous and meaningless society because of PAP.</p>
<p>the PAP know it, but they want to have their cake and eat it too. thus they resort to propagandas: telling Singaporeans to smile, to be gracious, to be accommodating of foreigners, to appreciate what we have&#8230;faking happiness.<br />
sometimes i wonder if the PAP members are faking it too.</p>
<p>does the PAP as a ruling government understand?</p>
<p>this place gives me heartaches, which is also the reason why i will choose to leave Singapore if PAP wins the next GE.</p>
<p>i will give it all i&#8217;ve got for the next GE, am considering to join the Opposition and hope to get socio-civic bloggers like me to be in for this too.</p>
<p>Singapore have all the talents to form a better government. i will approach them and hopefully pursuade these talents to concentrate together in one party and stand for elections.</p>
<p>will visit Reform Party&#8217;s open house next tuesday and the Worker&#8217;s Party headquarters the week after.</p>
<p>the people is waiting for a Change, a new Hope.<br />
i have decided to stop waiting and seek the team who will be the Change. i hope readers will at least do their part by educating their families and friends about the sad state PAP has put us in.</p>
<p>p.s. i thank you all for the emails and messages of encouragement i received from the TOC interview. Change is about the people&#8217;s effort. lets give it all we&#8217;ve got for this country this General Elections.</p>
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		<title>By: Triple Threat</title>
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		<dc:creator>Triple Threat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Nov 2009 03:57:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Alex Tan has won the battle. The stooges are quitting and &quot;forgetting&quot; about their time to rebut Tan&#039;s questions. 

This is exactly the same as YPAP forum before it got removed. 

I foresee that the YPAP facebook is going to suffer the same fate as its forum. Haha. 

Good job, Alex!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Alex Tan has won the battle. The stooges are quitting and &#8220;forgetting&#8221; about their time to rebut Tan&#8217;s questions. </p>
<p>This is exactly the same as YPAP forum before it got removed. </p>
<p>I foresee that the YPAP facebook is going to suffer the same fate as its forum. Haha. </p>
<p>Good job, Alex!</p>
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		<title>By: you are damn right</title>
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		<dc:creator>you are damn right</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Nov 2009 01:40:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Soon, you will hear from the MSM that the cyber world is all abuzz with real and non-partisan discourse, that its young stooges are standing up and tall, listening, explaining, extolling Papland virtues while administering goonduland’s expressed desires – and – that all this is made possible by the host of Papland’s online portal.&quot;

you are damn right. but who cares anyway about those fairy tales that have been spinned by the other side.. 

ultimately, words (however eloquent or logically convincing picking only selective variables as usual) can only say so much and it is your own reality or &quot;reality&quot;  that you have to take a deep closer look and measure up in relation to the larger scheme of things administered in this goonduland.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Soon, you will hear from the MSM that the cyber world is all abuzz with real and non-partisan discourse, that its young stooges are standing up and tall, listening, explaining, extolling Papland virtues while administering goonduland’s expressed desires – and – that all this is made possible by the host of Papland’s online portal.&#8221;</p>
<p>you are damn right. but who cares anyway about those fairy tales that have been spinned by the other side.. </p>
<p>ultimately, words (however eloquent or logically convincing picking only selective variables as usual) can only say so much and it is your own reality or &#8220;reality&#8221;  that you have to take a deep closer look and measure up in relation to the larger scheme of things administered in this goonduland.</p>
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		<title>By: alex tan</title>
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		<dc:creator>alex tan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Nov 2009 15:18:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>89) Cardin, i am a nobody. yes i am indeed fighting for my own cause:
abolish NS..

90) Norman, im not gonna make you believe me or not, whatever. focus your attack on the PAP please.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>89) Cardin, i am a nobody. yes i am indeed fighting for my own cause:<br />
abolish NS..</p>
<p>90) Norman, im not gonna make you believe me or not, whatever. focus your attack on the PAP please.</p>
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		<title>By: Norman Lim</title>
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		<dc:creator>Norman Lim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Nov 2009 14:59:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This Alex is part of PAP.  I have been reading his tread plus he kept calling for all of us to join him in the battle.  You are not going to call your blough with us, Mr. Alex.  What you are trying to do is to bring traffic to the PAP site.  We will stick to our own.  Please don&#039;t pretend about what you are an engineer, this and that working hard.  Don&#039;t create this ficticious character.  I am certainly not going to make you a hero.  What a load of crap and a waste of time you have done here !</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This Alex is part of PAP.  I have been reading his tread plus he kept calling for all of us to join him in the battle.  You are not going to call your blough with us, Mr. Alex.  What you are trying to do is to bring traffic to the PAP site.  We will stick to our own.  Please don&#8217;t pretend about what you are an engineer, this and that working hard.  Don&#8217;t create this ficticious character.  I am certainly not going to make you a hero.  What a load of crap and a waste of time you have done here !</p>
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		<title>By: Cardin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Cardin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Nov 2009 13:39:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Somehow the answers that Alex gave, gave me a queasy feeling that he is fighting for his own cause, but not the cause of each and every Singaporean. He speaks with the belief that everyone agrees with him, and must, because he doesn&#039;t give adequate justification for his proposals. There&#039;s a bit too much of pragmatism tinted in, i think.

Or maybe it&#039;s just because it&#039;s a quick interview, so Alex didn&#039;t really have the room to elaborate. =&#124;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Somehow the answers that Alex gave, gave me a queasy feeling that he is fighting for his own cause, but not the cause of each and every Singaporean. He speaks with the belief that everyone agrees with him, and must, because he doesn&#8217;t give adequate justification for his proposals. There&#8217;s a bit too much of pragmatism tinted in, i think.</p>
<p>Or maybe it&#8217;s just because it&#8217;s a quick interview, so Alex didn&#8217;t really have the room to elaborate. =|</p>
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		<title>By: justkaypoh</title>
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		<dc:creator>justkaypoh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Nov 2009 05:35:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I can&#039;t find any of Alex&#039;s comment in YP facebook, have they remove them?

Alex are you there?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I can&#8217;t find any of Alex&#8217;s comment in YP facebook, have they remove them?</p>
<p>Alex are you there?</p>
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		<title>By: singaporedaddy</title>
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		<dc:creator>singaporedaddy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Nov 2009 04:01:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Carry on Alex, I&#039;ve already given you my lucky spoon; you&#039;re good to go; its good for everything from digging fox holes to batting away deadly machine gun bullets. Keep it close to you in the great patriotic war - bye bye enjoy yourself in the Russian front.

Remember always we are always BEHIND you. 

SD</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Carry on Alex, I&#8217;ve already given you my lucky spoon; you&#8217;re good to go; its good for everything from digging fox holes to batting away deadly machine gun bullets. Keep it close to you in the great patriotic war &#8211; bye bye enjoy yourself in the Russian front.</p>
<p>Remember always we are always BEHIND you. </p>
<p>SD</p>
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