Sure, I’ll tell you clearly.

“the FACT remains, these journos Are Responsible for what they wrote.”

This is called a bald assertion, insisting your argument is “FACT” etc., very classy that.

“Its all in the public domain , decades and decades of these writings.”

Even if journalists “Are Responsible” for any/every thing, the length of time is completely irrelevant. That you can’t see that, is quite telling.

“Else, tell me clearly that the Journos are NOT Responsible for their writings.”

They are responsible for truthful reporting. It would be a bonus if they push the envelope but even if they don’t, that’s fine, because I can’t expect the world to revolve around my unfair expectations; in itself the most unfair expectation of all.

By the way, can you specify what is it exactly you expect journos to be responsible for?

Without the problem of Apathy, there would not be TR and TOC. imho.

The non-apathetic ones have already decided.
The apathetic ones can be naive.
Being apathetic, they have not really thought about many issues.
These are the main obstacles.

imho.

the FACT remains, these journos Are Responsible for what they wrote.
Its all in the public domain , decades and decades of these writings.

Else, tell me clearly that the Journos are NOT Responsible for their writings.

So, tell me directly, clearly.

Specific examples?

Suzie #32,

Do you expect doctors to donate their own organs and policemen to charge into the line of fire as well?

Let’s assume for a moment all journos are superhuman; the entire present generation quits because they can’t live up to journalistics ideals at a publication; the incoming replacements also quit because they also have to live up to superhuman expectations. It goes on and on in the scheme you laid out. What’s the constant?

Does the responsbility lie at the journalist-level or the management-policy-making level?

Keep the facts, analysis and commentaries distinct.

It waz the Brits that first mixed and match. When it works, it is a lot more insightful and entertaining) than the traditional (now American) way of not mixing.

But done badly it discredits the writers, his editors and the publication. That was what happened in AWARE reporting.

TR more-or-less got it right, making sure that readers knew what were the facts, what was the analysis and what was commentary.

After AWARE, I moved onto TR, scanning TOC.

you only mentioned those articles written by journalists that were shot down.
how about those that were not that you read every day for your entire life todate?

All those articles. Surely they are responsible for being the Author of these articles?

you used the word ’suppressed’. What about those journalists that worked there for decades? Are they suppressed from resigning? Of course not!
They work there Willingly Based on Freewill. They are adults who make decisions by themselves. The Consciously made the decision to work there. They may even be happy with their work.
Of course they know very well what the MSM is about. How can they not know given they are sufficiently educated and i assume talented?

pls do focus on the Majority of the MSM. In this world there is always a minority.
just like for any medicine (the cure/treatment) there is prolly a side effect big or small if not undiscovered.

enuf said.

Many years ago, I knew a friend who worked for Xin Ming Re Bao who attempted to write an article about a recent student sucide after a couple of similar incidents. He was onto a lead that these incidents could be indirectly linked to the way which Singapore run its insane education system. But before the article can be printed, the editor recieved a phone call from a MOE spokeperson to put the article down.

For those who want proof that the Govn’t is filtering our print and tele media, please read “To catch a Tar Tar”. This book is banned in Singapore but can be purchased from our dear neighbour.

“When yr fellow writers in TOC mix commentary and fact badly, I hope you mock them too. During the AWARE saga, there was plenty of this at TOC. TR is a lot better thabn TOC. It is not boring. Hey even ST can be less boring than TOC.”

How would you like you exciting coverage of AWARE? None at all? Or with scripture condemning homosexuality?

“It also does not mean that i am saying journalists ARE TOTALLY responsible. I just said it UNfair to use that term to assume they are not totally responsible.”

I said it was suggested. By the way, what would be a fair term to use, to assume they are totally responsible?

“Journalists are responsible for whatever they have written. Can you deny this?”
Only to the extent I’ve laid out i.e. truthfulness. If the facts bear out, and someone’s feelings gets hurt after TOC does a critical piece on MSM (Or a Pro-MSM piece, for that matter), it’s not TOC or the writer’s responsibility.

by “unfair to use ’state controlled’ to assume journalists are not totally responsible for whatever they have written”

It also does not mean that i am saying journalists ARE TOTALLY responsible.
I just said it UNfair to use that term to assume they are not totally responsible.

Journalists are responsible for whatever they have written. Can you deny this?

Journalists are accountable for getting the facts straight i.e. telling a true story, and ideally, telling it well. That’s it, really.

You started by asserting journalists are partially responsible:

“wrong to assume that by being ’state controlled’ the journalists are not responsible for what they write”

You ended by suggesting they are totally responsible:

“unfair to use ’state controlled’ to assume journalists are not totally responsible for whatever they have written”

There is no Content in between. I suggest you be “really aware” of what you write.

you cannot compare an apple with an orange.

no matter how the temasek review would like to style itself as an independent correspondent free of government intervention and ideals, its articles quite obviously says otherwise; that it has deviated so far from independence, it becomes not dissimilar to a mouthpiece of the opposition.

however, i personally continue to enjoy articles churned out by their correspodents; it’s rare to see people write with such passion, after all.

i mean, these people, as mentioned by some here ,are really aware of what is it they write. The contents. The meanings. The aim of the article.

So, i mean, it would be unfair to use ’state controlled’ to assume journalists are not totally responsible for whatever they have written as they continue to do so. The thing you read today is written by journalists. They really wrote it.

We should thank the author for showing us a real life example of the inherently Ambiguous potential of English language or any language for that matter.

Many have prospered thanks to the perceived weakness and characteristic of language. Words can twist, u-turn and sometimes black can mean white vice versa. It depends how much money you have.

And like the opposition parties, both of you cannot co-operate, each wanting to carve a niche of your own, which itself is not a bad thing per se.

However, if you do not co-operate, at least do not try to do each other in. The very mouthpiece that you accuse of, that is the MSM, will laugh all the way to their banks when two upstarts try to broadside each other to oblivion.

Much like when we criticise opposition parties for not being co-operative and sometimes being antagonistic to one another, independent news sites like TOC and TR should also not be antagonistic to one another.

You have a choice to make history by concentrating on your main task, which is to be a counterweight to the MSM, all you can continue your petty bickering with your fellow counterweight new sites and become a mere foot note in history.

Your choice.

Criticism on the weaknesses of TR apply both ways. The same criticisms can also apply to TOC and many other blogs in the cyberspace.

All participants in the New Media should unite and coorperate among themselves, under a silent mutual agreement, not to criticise one anothter. The New Media is still very new and many people are still trying to find their way to improve upon it and to improve themselves.

Blog posts are mainly written by volunteers without being paid, with the exception of a few lucky ones. Most of whom are not professional journalists or reporters. The fact that these bloggers have the passion and commitment to do something to awaken our sleeping and apathetic society is already a great achievement. Therefore, readers should have more patience and tolerance for the mean time.

Perhaps, in another five years or so, then we should expect voluntary free news blog sites to be something like the Malaysiankini?

So, I suggest everybody just cool it off and enjoy your reading. Or simply take them as a form of entertainment of past-time.

Have a nice day. Cheers!