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		<title>By: Clifford Chapman</title>
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		<dc:creator>Clifford Chapman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Nov 2011 12:40:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Over-stretched? Don&#039;t make me laugh. 

The hypocritical cXXXX refused to investigate some theiving Singaporean bastard who stole more than $500.00 of my money, despite my sending them full documentary evidence.

They called it &#039;breach of an agreement&#039; which only shows they can can out with utter crap when it suits them.

Don&#039;t criticise their government, though, or graffiti a wall.

Tough on crime?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Over-stretched? Don&#8217;t make me laugh. </p>
<p>The hypocritical cXXXX refused to investigate some theiving Singaporean bastard who stole more than $500.00 of my money, despite my sending them full documentary evidence.</p>
<p>They called it &#8216;breach of an agreement&#8217; which only shows they can can out with utter crap when it suits them.</p>
<p>Don&#8217;t criticise their government, though, or graffiti a wall.</p>
<p>Tough on crime?</p>
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		<title>By: Why Saw Phaik Hwa has missed the point &#124; The Online Citizen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Why Saw Phaik Hwa has missed the point &#124; The Online Citizen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Jul 2010 13:48:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Govt slave</title>
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		<dc:creator>Govt slave</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Jun 2010 13:54:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>SPF officers are definitely over stretched. Having to work more than 24 hours shift, with endless meetings and forgoing meals. Not forgetting minimal allowance and welfare. Please, they are not your slave nor Robots. They need to have family life and a healthy body. Do not stretch them so much when they are doing so much for the society. 
No wonder nobody wants to join the Civil sector these days..</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>SPF officers are definitely over stretched. Having to work more than 24 hours shift, with endless meetings and forgoing meals. Not forgetting minimal allowance and welfare. Please, they are not your slave nor Robots. They need to have family life and a healthy body. Do not stretch them so much when they are doing so much for the society.<br />
No wonder nobody wants to join the Civil sector these days..</p>
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		<title>By: Slave</title>
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		<dc:creator>Slave</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 31 May 2010 16:15:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Aiyo..the police coast guards, please dont compare them to the ground officers. When ur in the job, ull know, and will stop telling us to play with the real big guys. No guns in singapore doesnt mean policemen dont slashed with parangs during gang riots and wont get hammered by offenders during a fight elsewhere in singapore. even in the heartlands. And yes, heartlanders, what a joke. Well, that show&#039;s a joke really. Public just dont know how many offciers died in the line of duty.So &quot;The fact Of Life&quot;, 1 officer telling u that he takes turn sleeping during shift, does not mean All of policers do the same.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Aiyo..the police coast guards, please dont compare them to the ground officers. When ur in the job, ull know, and will stop telling us to play with the real big guys. No guns in singapore doesnt mean policemen dont slashed with parangs during gang riots and wont get hammered by offenders during a fight elsewhere in singapore. even in the heartlands. And yes, heartlanders, what a joke. Well, that show&#8217;s a joke really. Public just dont know how many offciers died in the line of duty.So &#8220;The fact Of Life&#8221;, 1 officer telling u that he takes turn sleeping during shift, does not mean All of policers do the same.</p>
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		<title>By: d</title>
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		<dc:creator>d</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Feb 2010 09:39:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i am so disappointed with how our govt is running things these days. gone are the era of the old guards. yesterday&#039;s policemen were respected and feared....today they are merely servants to the ppl. with all the immigrants we have now....singapore hardly looks like singapore anymore. what a shame.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i am so disappointed with how our govt is running things these days. gone are the era of the old guards. yesterday&#8217;s policemen were respected and feared&#8230;.today they are merely servants to the ppl. with all the immigrants we have now&#8230;.singapore hardly looks like singapore anymore. what a shame.</p>
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		<title>By: hanafi mohd</title>
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		<dc:creator>hanafi mohd</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Dec 2009 17:33:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>apathy is the word of the day.

you see... so many of us here all speak of this topic, and at the end of it, we resign to our fate, we resign to the helplessness we all feel and say, &quot;that&#039;s just how it is.&quot; our fellow police officers are like us in this respect as well. they are also normal working class citizens at the end of the day, worrying about the same issues a civilian faces, and feeling that same helplessness.

we just carry on with our lives then, letting this matter drift as we latch on to the next big thing to debate about, whatever it is that happens to be the next headline news. nobody does anything, and i myself am guilty of this, because i don&#039;t believe i can change anything either.

but that&#039;s also the reason why then it will be the same people in the govt who get to make the same decisions over and over again, and by then these decision-makers are also either tired/helpless/have no more new ideas on how to effect changes to improve the situation. they, too, resign to the fact that whatever new policies they try to implement, not much change will occur. 

it is not their fault, nor the white collar management of SPF, nor the blue collar beat cops individually. there is no need to point our fingers at anyone in order to make ourselves feel better. it is just the tired, confused state of our singapore society. we live in the postmodern world rife with apathy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>apathy is the word of the day.</p>
<p>you see&#8230; so many of us here all speak of this topic, and at the end of it, we resign to our fate, we resign to the helplessness we all feel and say, &#8220;that&#8217;s just how it is.&#8221; our fellow police officers are like us in this respect as well. they are also normal working class citizens at the end of the day, worrying about the same issues a civilian faces, and feeling that same helplessness.</p>
<p>we just carry on with our lives then, letting this matter drift as we latch on to the next big thing to debate about, whatever it is that happens to be the next headline news. nobody does anything, and i myself am guilty of this, because i don&#8217;t believe i can change anything either.</p>
<p>but that&#8217;s also the reason why then it will be the same people in the govt who get to make the same decisions over and over again, and by then these decision-makers are also either tired/helpless/have no more new ideas on how to effect changes to improve the situation. they, too, resign to the fact that whatever new policies they try to implement, not much change will occur. </p>
<p>it is not their fault, nor the white collar management of SPF, nor the blue collar beat cops individually. there is no need to point our fingers at anyone in order to make ourselves feel better. it is just the tired, confused state of our singapore society. we live in the postmodern world rife with apathy.</p>
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		<title>By: Alex Har</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alex Har</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Nov 2009 10:53:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To ameliorate the problems, I understand that police force is practicing outsourcing. 

 I hear from friends that CISCO is even deployed to police the prostitutes and gambling activities in Geylang .... and I guess these projects are up for bidding on a commercial basis.

Ultimately the police force will make money purely by outsourcing its work to commercial companies... especially those with foreign joint venture partners.

What a neat and intelligent way.  Only the best brains can conjure this.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To ameliorate the problems, I understand that police force is practicing outsourcing. </p>
<p> I hear from friends that CISCO is even deployed to police the prostitutes and gambling activities in Geylang &#8230;. and I guess these projects are up for bidding on a commercial basis.</p>
<p>Ultimately the police force will make money purely by outsourcing its work to commercial companies&#8230; especially those with foreign joint venture partners.</p>
<p>What a neat and intelligent way.  Only the best brains can conjure this.</p>
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		<title>By: tiredsingaporean</title>
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		<dc:creator>tiredsingaporean</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Nov 2009 11:05:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>58) SG Girl Next Door on November 25th, 2009 3.10 am 

My point is which working adult does not want promotion that comes with pay increment? Its a form of recognition of one’s (good) work performance.

Yeah right, I got $100 increament in 3 years changing my position 5 times just to throw me into those area which other so called engineers cannot fulfilled. The only thing I was told that I am one of the very handful ones that has this increament. The funny thing is that the so called engineers got promoted twice with increament within the same year. The world is so screwed up these days that employers prefer to promote those who are able to do what they are being told to, expecially the illegal ones. Where has justice gone to these days.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>58) SG Girl Next Door on November 25th, 2009 3.10 am </p>
<p>My point is which working adult does not want promotion that comes with pay increment? Its a form of recognition of one’s (good) work performance.</p>
<p>Yeah right, I got $100 increament in 3 years changing my position 5 times just to throw me into those area which other so called engineers cannot fulfilled. The only thing I was told that I am one of the very handful ones that has this increament. The funny thing is that the so called engineers got promoted twice with increament within the same year. The world is so screwed up these days that employers prefer to promote those who are able to do what they are being told to, expecially the illegal ones. Where has justice gone to these days.</p>
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		<title>By: ima</title>
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		<dc:creator>ima</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Nov 2009 10:17:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think ppl dun realize why locals refuse to join or drop out of the SPF. Coz it;s being managed by stupid  scholars who have ZERO management skills and tekan the SPF groundsmen to meet their target/goals.

I think management really need to be changed. Invest to educate ur long-serving groundsmen to be the the management instead. Give them the oppo to take up uni courses etc.... and make them the future leaders in SPF. Rather than get stupid scholars who don&#039;t even know how to tie their own shoelaces and only know how to wipe their bosses ass.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think ppl dun realize why locals refuse to join or drop out of the SPF. Coz it;s being managed by stupid  scholars who have ZERO management skills and tekan the SPF groundsmen to meet their target/goals.</p>
<p>I think management really need to be changed. Invest to educate ur long-serving groundsmen to be the the management instead. Give them the oppo to take up uni courses etc&#8230;. and make them the future leaders in SPF. Rather than get stupid scholars who don&#8217;t even know how to tie their own shoelaces and only know how to wipe their bosses ass.</p>
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		<title>By: Old, Jobless And Poor</title>
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		<dc:creator>Old, Jobless And Poor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Nov 2009 09:23:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I remember they use to boast so much about the NPP (Neighbourhood Police Post) scheme. Nowadays, it looks like NPP will die a natural death sooner or later. Most NPPs in housing estates are either closed or operates only during certain hours. I thought we have highly paid scholars who can plan 20 years ahead. But the SPF is now streched to its limit. Surely this is poor planning by people involved in HR planning or what is now known as.. Talent Management.  Perhaps, we should get even more FT to help in the planning and management of talent in SPF.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I remember they use to boast so much about the NPP (Neighbourhood Police Post) scheme. Nowadays, it looks like NPP will die a natural death sooner or later. Most NPPs in housing estates are either closed or operates only during certain hours. I thought we have highly paid scholars who can plan 20 years ahead. But the SPF is now streched to its limit. Surely this is poor planning by people involved in HR planning or what is now known as.. Talent Management.  Perhaps, we should get even more FT to help in the planning and management of talent in SPF.</p>
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		<title>By: Sekani Dorbai</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sekani Dorbai</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Nov 2009 14:37:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Can any MP ask minister WKS if cases in which complainants were asked to file magistrate complaint but they did not do so recorded as part of the statistics of crime rate?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Can any MP ask minister WKS if cases in which complainants were asked to file magistrate complaint but they did not do so recorded as part of the statistics of crime rate?</p>
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		<title>By: patriot</title>
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		<dc:creator>patriot</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Nov 2009 07:03:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi SG Girl:

patriot was and is like You in that we believe in a very unconventional form of damage control on ourselves and that is we respect our upbringings by abstaining from money that will make us feel uneasy, if not guilty.
I feel i owe myself a duty to do as little damage to others as possible by making my livings simple and avoid creative means to earn a living. Be warned, i am a pauper although most of the time i am a happy guy at 6 decades old. Seldom do i feel sad because my pockets are empty, seems that i am lucky to have many friends who are ever ready to host me when i am high and dry. Okay, not to deviate too far, let&#039;s talk about our men in blue.

It is not just the Policemen that are stretched, let&#039;s us us look at most Singaporean workers, be they your family members, friends, colleagues or neighbours, which one of them are not exploited??? The greatest damages as a result of being stretched, manipulated and exploited are domestic quarrels, marriage/family breakdowns and physical, mental illness. Most, if not all, suffer emotional upsets over work and unfortunately most cannot avoid cross carrying their unhappiness from workplace to home and vice-versa causing multi-fold damages.

If the men in blue deserve sympathy, i like to say other than our lords, all other Singaporeans are pityful.

Allow me to implore readers to take a closer look at the cleaners, security guards, odd job labourers and other menial workers and see if they do not suffer more than others. Those who are SMRT and NEL Train commuters, please tell if those security guards You see are capable of crime deterrents, not to mention their duty is supposed to be capable of detering terrorism. I weep in my heart each time i see those old folks at work.

patriot</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi SG Girl:</p>
<p>patriot was and is like You in that we believe in a very unconventional form of damage control on ourselves and that is we respect our upbringings by abstaining from money that will make us feel uneasy, if not guilty.<br />
I feel i owe myself a duty to do as little damage to others as possible by making my livings simple and avoid creative means to earn a living. Be warned, i am a pauper although most of the time i am a happy guy at 6 decades old. Seldom do i feel sad because my pockets are empty, seems that i am lucky to have many friends who are ever ready to host me when i am high and dry. Okay, not to deviate too far, let&#8217;s talk about our men in blue.</p>
<p>It is not just the Policemen that are stretched, let&#8217;s us us look at most Singaporean workers, be they your family members, friends, colleagues or neighbours, which one of them are not exploited??? The greatest damages as a result of being stretched, manipulated and exploited are domestic quarrels, marriage/family breakdowns and physical, mental illness. Most, if not all, suffer emotional upsets over work and unfortunately most cannot avoid cross carrying their unhappiness from workplace to home and vice-versa causing multi-fold damages.</p>
<p>If the men in blue deserve sympathy, i like to say other than our lords, all other Singaporeans are pityful.</p>
<p>Allow me to implore readers to take a closer look at the cleaners, security guards, odd job labourers and other menial workers and see if they do not suffer more than others. Those who are SMRT and NEL Train commuters, please tell if those security guards You see are capable of crime deterrents, not to mention their duty is supposed to be capable of detering terrorism. I weep in my heart each time i see those old folks at work.</p>
<p>patriot</p>
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		<title>By: Spuaknel Columbine</title>
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		<dc:creator>Spuaknel Columbine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Nov 2009 06:43:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Can kind singaporeans with the knowledge about the crime statistics in terms of how they are calculated give a simple Y/N reply to the question raised by readers asking :

Cases where complainants are asked to file Magistrate complaint all not included in crime statistics?

Y/ N?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Can kind singaporeans with the knowledge about the crime statistics in terms of how they are calculated give a simple Y/N reply to the question raised by readers asking :</p>
<p>Cases where complainants are asked to file Magistrate complaint all not included in crime statistics?</p>
<p>Y/ N?</p>
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		<title>By: The fact Of Life</title>
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		<dc:creator>The fact Of Life</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Nov 2009 03:59:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What a Joke! The SPF streched?? For the amount of salary that they are recieving for the type of work they are doing?? Their so called crime rates are a baby&#039;s play compare to their counterparts in Australia.. here, its the real deal! Gangs, guns, drugs, rapes, murders etc.. how many of those happened in Singapore? Many of their so called crimes are just petty in nature because they are backed by tough laws. eg. death penalty for drug trafficking. Look, the SPF needs the help of Pula Tekong army BATTALION jus to catch some suspects terrorist! What a joke..  its like killing an ant with a sledge hammer. 

In addition, my friend who is working for the police coast guard tells me how they rotated their shilfs during work to sleep and play BIG 2... No wonder they say that a frog only thinks of the world as big as the well it lived in. Tell our overpaid goverment to send the SPF out to joint mission with the real police and i&#039;ll beg you that the will be come begging home!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What a Joke! The SPF streched?? For the amount of salary that they are recieving for the type of work they are doing?? Their so called crime rates are a baby&#8217;s play compare to their counterparts in Australia.. here, its the real deal! Gangs, guns, drugs, rapes, murders etc.. how many of those happened in Singapore? Many of their so called crimes are just petty in nature because they are backed by tough laws. eg. death penalty for drug trafficking. Look, the SPF needs the help of Pula Tekong army BATTALION jus to catch some suspects terrorist! What a joke..  its like killing an ant with a sledge hammer. </p>
<p>In addition, my friend who is working for the police coast guard tells me how they rotated their shilfs during work to sleep and play BIG 2&#8230; No wonder they say that a frog only thinks of the world as big as the well it lived in. Tell our overpaid goverment to send the SPF out to joint mission with the real police and i&#8217;ll beg you that the will be come begging home!</p>
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		<title>By: SM Goh</title>
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		<dc:creator>SM Goh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Nov 2009 03:33:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree that there are too many NSFs not doing anything contructive in their respective army units, most times they are just idling in their bunks. Even the &#039;Lobos&#039; who are storemen and clerks can be found work in the Police force, since the physical demands are somewhat different.

That way we can reduce the ever-increasing budget allocation to the SAF and allocate some of it to the MHA. With the rest of the money we can pay the US to have an aircraft carrier or two parked in our waters, to deter any potential aggressor.

The aircraft carriers and their crew (about 5,000 each) can then help boost the ship repair, consumer and service sectors of the economy. 

An ideal 3-way solution!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree that there are too many NSFs not doing anything contructive in their respective army units, most times they are just idling in their bunks. Even the &#8216;Lobos&#8217; who are storemen and clerks can be found work in the Police force, since the physical demands are somewhat different.</p>
<p>That way we can reduce the ever-increasing budget allocation to the SAF and allocate some of it to the MHA. With the rest of the money we can pay the US to have an aircraft carrier or two parked in our waters, to deter any potential aggressor.</p>
<p>The aircraft carriers and their crew (about 5,000 each) can then help boost the ship repair, consumer and service sectors of the economy. </p>
<p>An ideal 3-way solution!</p>
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		<title>By: New Era</title>
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		<dc:creator>New Era</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Nov 2009 07:35:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I suggest that we bring in cheap labour to build up the ranks of the SPF. The very low salary being offered is discouraging many young men and women from joining the SPF and those that are in are easily giving in to temptation.

http://www.todayonline.com/Singapore/EDC091125-0000102/Three-accused-of-bribing,-cheating</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I suggest that we bring in cheap labour to build up the ranks of the SPF. The very low salary being offered is discouraging many young men and women from joining the SPF and those that are in are easily giving in to temptation.</p>
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		<title>By: Matilah_Singapura</title>
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		<dc:creator>Matilah_Singapura</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Nov 2009 03:38:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>re: &quot;TOTAL DEFENCE&quot;

Let&#039;s examine that idea -- what does that mean? Is it possible? Of course not. There is too much uncertainty in the universe for any individual, group, country or celestial object (like a planet for instance) to be TOTALLY defended against &quot;threat&quot;.

But that doesn&#039;t mean the choice is to simply ignore risks of dangers that might be lurking.

Bear in mind too that &quot;defence&quot; like any good or service requires resources. It is impossible if not unwise to blow ALL or a large portion of your resources on any one thing -- in this case -- TOTAL defense. Furthermore, how do you think life would be living under * the illusion * of some constant invisible &quot;threat&quot;? BTW, govts get much of their power that way -- they scare The Sheeple  into believing that some &quot;all powerful evil deadly and apocalyptic threat&quot; exsists and that The Government is * the only * agency with the wherewithal and &quot;special knowledge&quot; to protect The Sheeple and the country, and whatever freedom or sanity they have not yet lost.  

I believe in SELF DEFENSE. Just as you don&#039;t expect the cops to &quot;protect&quot; your home from invasion -- you buy and install good locks and security, it is an extension of this basic idea applied to The Self. Therefore I support *LEGAL* GUN OWNERSHIP. If the citizen can prove to his community that he is of sound mind and good judgment, then no one should prevent him from owning a firearm.

However I doubt if my idea will ever catch on. Which is why I live in a country where I can legally own firearm, and I have a choice of shooting ranges to go and blast my lethal babies, killing as many paper targets thus satisfying my own inner hero&#039;s inflated sense of &quot;self-focused justice&quot;, hoping to impress as many women as possible (for sex of course) with my machismo.

&quot;An Armed Society Is A POLITE Society&quot;, so wrote Robert A. Heinlein -- a cracking sci-fi writer responsible for works like Starship Troopers and The Puppet Masters. Heinlein never trusted the government or any (so-called) &quot;authority&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>re: &#8220;TOTAL DEFENCE&#8221;</p>
<p>Let&#8217;s examine that idea &#8212; what does that mean? Is it possible? Of course not. There is too much uncertainty in the universe for any individual, group, country or celestial object (like a planet for instance) to be TOTALLY defended against &#8220;threat&#8221;.</p>
<p>But that doesn&#8217;t mean the choice is to simply ignore risks of dangers that might be lurking.</p>
<p>Bear in mind too that &#8220;defence&#8221; like any good or service requires resources. It is impossible if not unwise to blow ALL or a large portion of your resources on any one thing &#8212; in this case &#8212; TOTAL defense. Furthermore, how do you think life would be living under * the illusion * of some constant invisible &#8220;threat&#8221;? BTW, govts get much of their power that way &#8212; they scare The Sheeple  into believing that some &#8220;all powerful evil deadly and apocalyptic threat&#8221; exsists and that The Government is * the only * agency with the wherewithal and &#8220;special knowledge&#8221; to protect The Sheeple and the country, and whatever freedom or sanity they have not yet lost.  </p>
<p>I believe in SELF DEFENSE. Just as you don&#8217;t expect the cops to &#8220;protect&#8221; your home from invasion &#8212; you buy and install good locks and security, it is an extension of this basic idea applied to The Self. Therefore I support *LEGAL* GUN OWNERSHIP. If the citizen can prove to his community that he is of sound mind and good judgment, then no one should prevent him from owning a firearm.</p>
<p>However I doubt if my idea will ever catch on. Which is why I live in a country where I can legally own firearm, and I have a choice of shooting ranges to go and blast my lethal babies, killing as many paper targets thus satisfying my own inner hero&#8217;s inflated sense of &#8220;self-focused justice&#8221;, hoping to impress as many women as possible (for sex of course) with my machismo.</p>
<p>&#8220;An Armed Society Is A POLITE Society&#8221;, so wrote Robert A. Heinlein &#8212; a cracking sci-fi writer responsible for works like Starship Troopers and The Puppet Masters. Heinlein never trusted the government or any (so-called) &#8220;authority&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: BlindMan</title>
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		<dc:creator>BlindMan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Nov 2009 01:06:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The answer to our solution is to get the PR&#039;s and new Citizens to form a reserve team or do reservist for a 10 year cycle...... This will make them feel integrated with our society, since JOBS are being taken by lots of foreigners and PR&#039;s and New Citizens......example the BUS service, lots of PRC folks that can&#039;t speak English are being hired to be part of OUR world CLASS transport service.....Their contribution SPEAKS volumes</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The answer to our solution is to get the PR&#8217;s and new Citizens to form a reserve team or do reservist for a 10 year cycle&#8230;&#8230; This will make them feel integrated with our society, since JOBS are being taken by lots of foreigners and PR&#8217;s and New Citizens&#8230;&#8230;example the BUS service, lots of PRC folks that can&#8217;t speak English are being hired to be part of OUR world CLASS transport service&#8230;..Their contribution SPEAKS volumes</p>
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		<title>By: SG Girl Next Door</title>
		<link>http://theonlinecitizen.com/2009/11/singapore-police-force-%e2%80%93-stretched-and-fatigued/comment-page-2/#comment-117367</link>
		<dc:creator>SG Girl Next Door</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Nov 2009 19:10:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To: Patriot #44 and Niagara#45

Thank you for your understanding. Perhaps Agongkia #41 is currently a civil servant, serving our nation loyally despite not getting his promotion and pay raise for years. I salute to him.

My point is which working adult does not want promotion that comes with pay increment? Its a form of recognition of one&#039;s (good) work performance.  Can one accepts a salary that was 5 years ago (assumming that person has been with the company for 5 years and has performed well in his/her work)? Get real. Cost of living has been rising every year. One needs increased in pay to substain a living (perhaps some savings too).  For those who are supporting their aged parents (who also have medical problems), they must also make sure that they have savings for their parents&#039; yearly (some half yearly) check ups and medication costs. 

And Patriot #44, your comment about those who curry favor to get their promotions; I&#039;d seen quite alot in the private sector. It happens everywhere. I believe in sticking to my principles and integrity. Once I turned down an ex-superior request to present a different set of invoice figures to our overseas product principal. I also turned down a job that requires me to bring in foreigners into our job market. The commission (if my clients accepts them) is pretty good. My reason? I don&#039;t believe one (be it blue collar or white collar) should pay large amount of agent fees to work in another country. Whereas a friend of mine (has also asked me to join her in bringing domestic helpers here) had said: &quot;Who cares? If you don&#039;t want to earn this kind of good money, many others may&quot;. I told her I don&#039;t wish to earn this kind of money.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To: Patriot #44 and Niagara#45</p>
<p>Thank you for your understanding. Perhaps Agongkia #41 is currently a civil servant, serving our nation loyally despite not getting his promotion and pay raise for years. I salute to him.</p>
<p>My point is which working adult does not want promotion that comes with pay increment? Its a form of recognition of one&#8217;s (good) work performance.  Can one accepts a salary that was 5 years ago (assumming that person has been with the company for 5 years and has performed well in his/her work)? Get real. Cost of living has been rising every year. One needs increased in pay to substain a living (perhaps some savings too).  For those who are supporting their aged parents (who also have medical problems), they must also make sure that they have savings for their parents&#8217; yearly (some half yearly) check ups and medication costs. </p>
<p>And Patriot #44, your comment about those who curry favor to get their promotions; I&#8217;d seen quite alot in the private sector. It happens everywhere. I believe in sticking to my principles and integrity. Once I turned down an ex-superior request to present a different set of invoice figures to our overseas product principal. I also turned down a job that requires me to bring in foreigners into our job market. The commission (if my clients accepts them) is pretty good. My reason? I don&#8217;t believe one (be it blue collar or white collar) should pay large amount of agent fees to work in another country. Whereas a friend of mine (has also asked me to join her in bringing domestic helpers here) had said: &#8220;Who cares? If you don&#8217;t want to earn this kind of good money, many others may&#8221;. I told her I don&#8217;t wish to earn this kind of money.</p>
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		<title>By: agongkia</title>
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		<dc:creator>agongkia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Nov 2009 16:12:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>44)Patriot
I can agree.But this  Gila Pangkat and higher pay idea to me have to be put aside if one is sincere to  serve the Nation and not merely joining for status or high pay.
Or it will end up with highly paid civil servant with poor citizen suffering .

WP &#039;s Ms Silvia and those  highlighting of overloading and understaff again is not a bad sign.It appear to me that they are  justifying for a pay rise .So what so bad about joining the Home Team?Forget about the Pangkat.Go n sign up for the iron rice bowl tomorrow.Sleep oso can get pay</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>44)Patriot<br />
I can agree.But this  Gila Pangkat and higher pay idea to me have to be put aside if one is sincere to  serve the Nation and not merely joining for status or high pay.<br />
Or it will end up with highly paid civil servant with poor citizen suffering .</p>
<p>WP &#8216;s Ms Silvia and those  highlighting of overloading and understaff again is not a bad sign.It appear to me that they are  justifying for a pay rise .So what so bad about joining the Home Team?Forget about the Pangkat.Go n sign up for the iron rice bowl tomorrow.Sleep oso can get pay</p>
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