[If] I were in the opposition, I would rather be in Singapore than in any other Asian “democracy”. Life is unfair, but I daresay I would rather be sued for defamation than shot in the head.
Fredric Fanthome, P65 blog, in his replies to readers
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i think places where you are shot in the head, the bad government is going to change very sooner or later.
like iraq or the recent phillipine clan.
at places where there is no shoot in the head, if the government is not good, i am not sure when things will change cannot see the horizon.
at the end of the day there is good and bad at every place.
hope that everyone is safe, healthy and happy if possible.
This Fredric Fanthome has zero capacity to emphatise and feel for the plight of others, now you know why they need to create a wolf site just to make up for the shortfall, P65 is just a decoy imho,, there is one particular entry somewhere near the end that really broke my heart when I read it and he was given a right and proper tongue lashing by some uncle, sad when people have no heart, sad when there are even sites out there these days who are so morally bankrupt they will stoop to any level just to boost their readership. That is one thing that I think all tockers can be really proud of, it was build on trust and not on wolf cries.
He sets a pretty low standard for his own political discourse.. tsk.
First, we compare to the swiss, then the economy turn and we compare ourselves to some 3rd world country saying that at least we still got food to eat, then now, we are comparing our 1st world status to some murderous regime!
So how low do we want to go?
I daresay the public would rather see the politicians come out to debate in public instead of suing each other for defamation.
Let people be the judge.
Of course Mr Fanthome would rather be in the opposition in Singapore than anywhere else, because he doesn’t even know what the opposition is about. He thinks the opposition is all about being opposed to the government, and it’s better to do it . All he looks for in standing in the opposition is to preserve his miserable skin, and not anything else. Such a fallacious question is utterly moot. The overriding concern of why anyone would be in the opposition is their love of their own country calling them to expose the lies and hypocrisies of the ruling elite, and not about living a happy life.
And funny thing is, do you get shot in the head in South Korea? Japan? or maybe Taiwan? This is utterly ridiculous. If the PAP and their lackeys are to be believed, we must be the only democracy who hates democracy. The irony!
A very brave and honest response from Mr Fredric Fanthome.
Can i ask a sort of but not realy relevant question?
If say threatened by a group of men would would take your life if you do anything contrary to what they tell you to do, would you prefer to be raped orally or anally?
I would rather die then. If i die, there be a million fellows like me, you cant silence us all. Give us justice!
An open debate is what Singapore needs.
Without debate, there wouldn’t be a need to answer to the public. Without the need to answer to the public, we have nonsense policies like outrageous pay to prevent corruption.
TOC should not drive traffic to the p65 blog, I want to see them die out. Remember the Bloggers Association?
Wow… you know, Singapore seems to be one of the few places where the defenders of its current system keep using established bad examples as yardsticks against which to measure itself.
To think this guy actually used the inverted commas for democracy without the slightest awareness of the irony involved. Too bad we don’t have our own version of John Steward, or he would have a field day.
“And funny thing is, do you get shot in the head in South Korea? Japan? or maybe Taiwan?”
To be fair, occasionally this does happen in above-mentioned democracies, especially when it involves mafia and the far-right in Japan.
No matter how suspicious the timing, Ah Bian was shot. Hey we even got a PAP MP who was set ablaze. As much as everyone would like to joke about our political enemies, I believe we must speak out against political violence even if it is to our “benefit”. Instead of setting that guy ablaze, throwing rotten eggs etc will serve the same purpose, although one must be prepared to go to jail for assault.
if opposition is getting shot in the head, I don’t think PAP can rest easy either… How many kerosene-in-used-bottle-to-be-thrown to catch’em all?
Hurray for FF for pointing out what netizens ignore.
As I told activist friend few mths ago, here is gd life.
Shout you are activist and you get perks from int’l leftish organistions. Can go Hawaii for seminar, Budapest for training, that kind of thing.
My activist friend taunts me my telling me of all his great overses trips.
And you juz have to be careful on defamation. In other Asean countries, can get shot. I mean JBJ died peacefully in his bed. And despite advocating regime change by USA, AG drops charges against Gandhi Chee. And Chiam is still around.
I mean activists no longer even get locked up.
“The overriding concern of why anyone would be in the opposition is their love of their own country … expose the lies and hypocrisies of the ruling elite”
Not to mention irrational, badly thought out policies and incompetence in general.
Lets be honest here – everyone has their own ideas on how to a country or city should be run. Democracy is the marketplace of ideas and should not be relegated to political mudslinging taking precedence over everything else. Fortunately in Singapore we have not stooped to such levels…yet.
“All he looks for in standing in the opposition is to preserve his miserable skin, and not anything else”
That description is more apt for the PAP, not just preserving their skins but their multi-million salaries as well.
Mr Fanthome is NOT an opposition supporter, I dont know how Mr Young01 comes to that conclusion.
“Shout you are activist and you get perks from int’l leftish organistions. Can go Hawaii for seminar, Budapest for training, that kind of thing.”
So do ELECTED officials in neighboring countries from fellow left-wing ideologues, DURING their tenure. Not good life?
“And despite advocating regime change by USA, AG drops charges against Gandhi Chee. ”
If USA wanted a regime change, we would already have it. Please reproduce statements from CSJ and Mr Gandhi that they wanted aforementioned regime change.
Frankly if PAP really go to 3rd world by getting opposition shot….where can the responsible people involved hide in singapore island…they have to exit out of singapore to their paid properties overseas…
You can only push people so far…once you cross the line and still act so arrogant over it….
Well, when one do unto others…others will do unto one too. And the one knows they are always outnumber by the oppressed.
I would rather have freedom of speech and not be shot in the head. But that’s just me =)
I like this quote by Seelan Palay:
“We are still colonized in Singapore, previously by white men, and now by men in white.”
Mr. “S**t Fredric” with due respect to your view, as you are a nerd who knows nothing about Asia! Who’s life is more precious, the successful politician–rich and famous or the main-street-man? There are two famous Chinese adages propagated by the Chinese communist party as follow:
One, political strength prosper from the barrel of the gun!
Two, not worry and frighten that you are rich, vice versa, only worry and frighten that you are poor.
So, it is obvious, who will gun who down, wake-up and stop talking non-sense, utter rubbish!
Ω李, I did not at all say or imply that Fanthome was in the opposition. Please do not shove words into my mouth. If you read the rest of my comment, it would be clear that I had no such impression. I said this because he wanted to make it seem as though the opposition had to be thankful for not being threatening with death as from his “perspective” of an opposition member, so I duly extended his utterly invalid comparison to absurdity.
We complain about politics, they compare with dictatorships.
We complain about public transport, they compare with India.
What next? If economy collapse and people start dying from starvation, are they going to compare with Africa and say we have a lower starvation percentage?
I thought that Singaporeans are always taught to be competitive and compare with the best so we can improve? How come now always comparing with the worst?
And he hates everyone who plays wow on online games…..great way to connect! This guy definitely has ministerial potential! With one tunnelled vision writers like that who really needs enemies over there?
sigh… might as well say he’d rather be in Zimbabwe than in Rwanda.
““We are still colonized in Singapore, previously by white men, and now by men in white.”
Why are the “we” the ones being colonized instead of the ones colonizing? Think about it.
These losers don’t dare to compare themselves with higher standards.
[i] but I daresay I would rather be sued for defamation than shot in the head[/i]
and leekuanyew gonna sued you just a few peanuts or few thousand$ dollar$ right? mrs tanglianhong and daughter did NOTHIN!!! yet they were made homeless and stateless….
Is Mr Fredric Fanthome saying that opposition party members in countries such as the US, Australia, UK, France, Germany, Italy, Japan, Switzerland, Sweden, S.Korea, etc are all “shot in the head”…dead????
Additionally, Mr Fredric Fanthome must know that the suffering of being bankrupt is no less scary than being dead…..espeically in S’pore
Best to leave this chiao kia : little birdie alone – one apts at ruffling feathers and only be argy bargy and going into the intricacies of them will not enlighten him but instead perplexes who is indocrinated and ossified – waste no time with him.
Let him be what he wants to be ; hen or rooster hor ………
th one who is is indocrinated and ossified
no wonder most asians would love to migrate to western countries if possible and if not possible come to singapore.
Both ‘shot in the head” or “sued for defamation” are not something that are endeared, just that the latter happens to the best of the worst if not given much choice.
If not for the existence of this little red dot, our fanthomy guy may prefer to be kicked than be “be shxx”. does he mean that suing for defamation in our political context has a better legitimacy.
The PAP must be scrapping the bottom of the barrel to have some twit like Fredric Fanthome in their ranks.
Classic strawman argument.
Is that it? Is this the best he can come up with?
The same old primary school kid logic that a piece of rotten bread is still better than starving somalians?
Instead of trying to improve ourselves and model after better examples, he is comparing us with the bottom of the barrel and justify the status quo.
If people like him ever gets to lead singapore then we will all be doomed.
After all, he is well and contented with rotten bread.
Frederic is just one of the many dogs blogging the ruling party’s position and stance. Singapore is already a developed city, we need to compare ourselves to one, like they always compare to the likes of Japan, UK and US not Philippines or Indonesia.
His arguments are flawed and when I browsed P65, I had instant headache by looking at all the negative posts on P65, they are just overwhelming. I wonder if Frederic and his team receive any form of FOC counselling from IMH.
I think as the population becomes better educated, they want to be heard, they want to be fair. And by continuing to implement undemocractic processes and decisions, the public anger is getting out of hand.
Developed city or not; I dont want to be stuck in some mental time warp back to 1990.
It is 2010 soon, USA has a black President. China is a shining example of capitalism.
Some people cannot deal with change.
This moron p65 blogger certainly swoops to new lows.
I see no reason why and how he can manage to substantiate his argument, if he wishes to proclaim sg as a 1st world country, and yet, compare it with fellow developing nations.
I say that this p65 blogger deserves a good shoot in his head. Along with the hoard of money sucking mini$ter which he defends.
Wow!!! this is indeed a self revelation of the true self, the soul at it’s best. I wonder if the rest of the PAP members feel like this too…..
Democracy is an aspiration?
We are not a country ?
National pledge is an aspiration ?
better to get sued than shot in the head ?
You put Nelson Mendela to shame…… please have a listen to “in the name of love” by U2
It’s better to be free and dead, than to be alive and afraid
it’s better to have a struggle, then to be a slave in time
it’s better to have lived, then to have died while you are still alive
May we have a govt that works for the people!! exercise your vote !! make it count !!
with more of such p65 bloggers, i think its a matter of time before we end up in a civil war.
better to shoot my rifle at these free loading newbies first than any other enemy out there.
Taiwanese call this Black White Talk… HOR BEH GONG…
Ancient Chinese saying…. acknoledging a Deer as a Horse… Zhi Lu Wei Ma…
Singaporeans got nothing to say, because Singaporeans are used to it.
” I would rather be sued for defamation than shot in the head”
“I would rather be squeezed in packed MRTs than having to walk like ppl in Africa”
“I would rather eat shit than have nothing to eat”
Fredric, Fredric, dearest Fredric…
Your master, the old man who would still not let go, once famously said:
“If I have to shoot 200,000 students to save China from another 100 years of disorder, so be it.” – Lee Kuan Yew evoking the ghost of Deng Xiaoping whilst endorsing the Tiananmen Square massacre, Straits Times, Aug 17, 2004.
So, what nonsense are you spewing?
Mis-education or amnesia, he omitted to mention Chia Thye Poh, Lim Hock Siew, lengthy detentions without trial, prolonged solitary confinement, physical and psychological assaults, harassment of family members. It is probably no exaggeration to say that some of us might just opt for a bullet in the head than to undergo the above.
The Indian nationals who come here really are good at sucking up.
It is sad that bootlickers like Mr Fanthome in his eagerness to climb up the corporate ladder in Singapore does not hesitate to criticise and condemn true blue Singaporeans.
He is greatly mistaken if he believes that he is doing his political masters a favour.
Singaporeans don’t take too kindly when foreign apple polishers berate them.
The problem is that this joker is not paid like politicians in other 3rd world asian country. Why does this joker compare Singapore to these 3rd world countries, should we not aspire to the successful democracies like HK, Japan, US, UK, Canada? This shows either a lack of brains or a lack of standards.
Fredric Phantom…..
Thank you! Your comment has woken more Sporeans up from slumber and even shifted some votes from PAP. Keep it up. Now oppos don’t even need to find fault. They are too glaring.
He still don’t know how to use toilet despite becomes sg citizen.
To Star7 @9
“TOC should not drive traffic to the p65 blog, I want to see them die out.”
They are already dead. The site looks haunted from day one. See the aged and torn display on their homepage and an eerie cry of “Come… In…We’re…Open…” will ring through your mind.
I think the Phantom is a ghost isn’t he?
Singapore has close political and business relationships with places such as Burma, North Korea and Zimbabwe. What does that make us? What does it point to? Wakey, wakey!!
Fredric, if you have to suck up, please do it in private.
And we certainly hope you leave Singapore as soon as you get another opportunity overseas. Hopefully, Australia. I heard they give Indian nationals like yourself what they deserve.
Dear all, just look at his name, has he lived all his life here? does he appears to be a Singaporean to you?
Just one of those implants/co-op trying hard to please and impress…